The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 1 Episode 4
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00:00So I'm really excited because I've been planning a girl's trip for my birthday.
00:09So we're going to stay in this really nice little penthouse and have a girl's weekend
00:12away.
00:13Really?
00:14I'm so excited.
00:15But since the baby blessing, there's a clear division, sinners versus saints, because Jen
00:23uninvited Jessie, Taylor, Layla, and Demi.
00:26I feel like we have this weird divide right now, like the sinners and the angels are at
00:31the baby blessing.
00:32So I'm really hoping that by the end of the trip, we will be one united group again.
00:37How's it going to be seeing Taylor?
00:39It's going to be a boxing match.
00:41Ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:42Who's going to win?
00:43Well, she's pregnant, so you can't do that.
00:44Oh, yeah.
00:45I forgot she's pregnant.
00:46I forgot.
00:47Eh, seal me.
00:48We're getting our first, so I think we get first dibs on her.
00:53Yeah.
00:54Taylor, I feel like you're kind of quiet right now.
00:56I'm anxious, like very anxious.
00:57I'm going to pop my anxiety meds when we get there.
01:00You already did.
01:01And if there's any, like, confrontation, like you're stuck with that person for the weekend,
01:06like, you can't just leave.
01:08It feels really good to be back with the girls.
01:11I have missed them.
01:12I've missed the friendship of mom talk.
01:15And I am really grateful that they've, like, given me, like, the second chance.
01:18But I'm anxious about the girls' trip, and I have some hard conversations I need to have
01:23with Whitney.
01:24I want to know why she didn't come to my baby shower and why there's this elephant
01:29in the room.
01:30I want to see where she's coming from, kind of understand why she feels these feelings
01:32towards me.
01:33Just know this, Taylor.
01:34If things get wild, I've got your back.
01:35Yeah.
01:36Oh, really?
01:37Yeah.
01:38That's sweet of you.
01:39I'm still mad at Whitney.
01:40First, the Fruity Cereal incident, then becoming the victim.
01:43Demi, I have a gift for you.
01:47So dumb.
01:48Tensions are high.
01:50I have a surprise coming later, so this weekend should be pretty interesting.
02:20Hey!
02:22Hey!
02:24Hey!
02:26Hey!
02:28Hey!
02:42We're here!
02:44We made it.
02:46Very cute.
02:47Girls' trip.
02:48Follow me, ladies.
02:49And how sweet.
02:51Welcome home, ladies.
02:52Woo!
02:53It's amazing.
02:54Hi.
02:55Hi.
02:56My eyes hurt.
02:58I was, like, not expecting that.
03:00Stacey.
03:01Wait, this is so cute.
03:03Oh, cute.
03:04Guys, it's so nice.
03:07I got to pop one of these.
03:08Just moms and snacks.
03:11You and Bradbury fight?
03:12We're actually currently in a little bit of a disagreement,
03:15just over the whole Fruity Pebbles thing.
03:17Oh, no.
03:18Oh, shoot.
03:19And he wasn't, like, a prude about it.
03:20He was like, I get it.
03:21I want you to be excited.
03:22I want you to be able to talk about these things.
03:24But I don't want to feel like I have to second guess what
03:26I'm about to do in the bedroom.
03:27Yeah.
03:28So I was like, I get that.
03:29I do feel bad, because I feel like I,
03:31like, betrayed him in a way.
03:32It's, I take full accountability that I'm the one
03:36that opened the can of worms.
03:38But it does bother me the way that Whitney went about that.
03:41It just felt a little tacky to me.
03:43Yeah.
03:44I could tell you were so upset.
03:45Is Whitney level-headed enough to have
03:47that conversation with it?
03:48Like, how is that conversation going to go?
03:50I don't know.
03:51I don't know.
03:51I don't know.
03:52I feel like, well, maybe she should
03:54stop doing things then.
03:55Yeah.
03:56Whitney's been one of my really good friends for two years now.
03:59She likes to think that she's self-aware,
04:02but she doesn't take accountability a lot of the time.
04:06Even I would have been like, hey,
04:07sorry I didn't send you a message
04:08about not coming to your shower.
04:09Like, I don't know.
04:10Yeah, the fact that she can go about life
04:13and go about those situations just, like, unbothered,
04:16that makes me nervous.
04:18I'm honestly surprised to hear that other people
04:21have issues with Whitney.
04:22I thought I was maybe the only one
04:24on the outside of it with her.
04:26But we work together.
04:28We do lots of events together.
04:29I would like to be a good friend to her,
04:31and I'm really hoping that we can hash this out.
04:33Yeah.
04:34Yeah.
04:35Yeah.
04:35Yeah.
04:36Yeah.
04:37Yeah.
04:38Yeah.
04:39Yeah.
04:39Yeah.
04:40Yeah.
04:41Yeah.
04:42Yeah.
04:43Yeah.
04:43Yeah.
04:44Yeah.
04:45Yeah.
04:46Yeah.
04:47Yeah.
04:48This has this many rings.
04:50Shut the fuck up.
04:52Welcome to paradise.
04:54Oh, it's so cute.
04:55Wait.
04:56Wait.
04:56Shut up.
04:57This.
04:58Ah!
04:59Ah!
05:00Ah!
05:00Ah!
05:01Ah!
05:02Ah!
05:03Ah!
05:04Ah!
05:04Ah!
05:05Ah!
05:06Ah!
05:07Ah!
05:08Ah!
05:08Ah!
05:09Ah!
05:10Ah!
05:11Ah!
05:12Ah!
05:12Ah!
05:13Ah!
05:14Ah!
05:15Ah!
05:16Ah!
05:16Ah!
05:17Let's go.
05:18Back to the crew.
05:19Whitney has come bearing gifts, matching sweat sets.
05:23It was so thoughtful of her.
05:25And I'm not going to lie, it's kind of refreshing
05:27to see this side of Whitney.
05:28Why don't we go in the Jacuzzi?
05:30Ah!
05:30Jesus.
05:31Oh, my God.
05:32Oh, my God.
05:33Oh, my God.
05:34Oh, my God.
05:34Oh, my God.
05:35You can actually sweat.
05:36Oh, my God.
05:37This is nice.
05:38Yeah.
05:38This is so relaxing.
05:40Jen looks like she can't see.
05:42What?
05:43It's, like, all on your lashes.
05:44Should we get out?
05:45Yeah.
05:46Let's go.
05:46I'm over it.
05:47No way.
05:48You know I won't forget you.
05:58I think my favorite thing about our group of women
06:00is that we all just like to have a good time.
06:02And we just have so much fun together.
06:06So is Zach with your kids?
06:07Mm-hmm.
06:08OK.
06:09How's he feeling about being alone with them?
06:12I think Jordan's freaking out.
06:13He's like, are any of the nannies available?
06:16I'm like, you'll be fine.
06:17Stop it.
06:18Yes.
06:18So he's not really the stay-at-home dad right now.
06:20Like, he's no.
06:21I mean, he is.
06:22But I could never see him just being at home 24-7.
06:25Because, I mean, would Zach ever do that?
06:27Like, no.
06:28We definitely still have, like, our tough days where, like,
06:31we just aren't on the same page.
06:33Yeah.
06:33In his head, I think he thinks, you know, after 15 years,
06:36he'll be the provider.
06:37So he's like, my job's more important because, like,
06:40I'm going to be providing for us for life.
06:41But he can't get there without you doing it now.
06:43Exactly.
06:44Yeah.
06:46That is so hard.
06:48I'm currently the breadwinner in my relationship.
06:51I'm providing for my kids, my husband,
06:54to go to medical school.
06:55And I definitely think this is super hard for him,
06:58coming from a traditional family.
07:00And they have good intentions.
07:01But it comes from a place sometimes of them
07:03telling you what you can and can't do.
07:04100%.
07:05And we're both strong women.
07:06And so I feel like we're like, no.
07:08Like, but then it causes an issue.
07:09For sure.
07:11The male typically being the sole provider
07:15within our religion makes our situation a little bit tricky.
07:20And so there's definitely a lot of tension
07:22in our relationship.
07:24I used to be the person that would
07:25just say yes to everything.
07:26And now I don't.
07:27You're finding your voice.
07:28Yes.
07:28And you know what?
07:29Like, I'm like, I'm proud of that.
07:31I'm like, shoot.
07:32You better be making a lot of money by then.
07:34I'm just kidding.
07:34Like, this better be worth it.
07:36I thought it was bullshit when Jen made this decision
07:38to uninvite us from the baby blessing.
07:40And I do think it was Zach behind that decision.
07:42Because I know Jen.
07:43She's very welcoming.
07:44And I think that Zach really put his foot
07:46down in this situation.
07:47But right now, she's opening up.
07:49And I'm feeling really optimistic about our friendship
07:51moving forward.
07:53By the time he's done with medical school,
07:55I'll probably be making more money than he'll ever make.
07:57No, literally.
07:58It's not funny.
07:59Like, you're like, my side gig actually provides for us.
08:02No, like, literally.
08:02What do you know?
08:03Like, literally.
08:04I'm having a moment.
08:07Let me shine.
08:08You need a moment.
08:10Before I get in line.
08:12Because we're working day and night.
08:15I don't know what I'm going to wear.
08:16What are you guys wearing?
08:17Well, I brought those to go with this dress.
08:20Oh, shiz.
08:21What?
08:22Not my garment.
08:23Oh, everyone, I have some information.
08:28The garment queen forgot her garment.
08:32I'm dead.
08:34Yeah, you know, the reason why I wear garments
08:36is when you go through the temple or when you get married
08:39and you've committed to this person
08:41and you've committed to God, wearing them
08:43is supposed to be like a constant reminder for you
08:45daily.
08:46Everyone, attention.
08:48Wait, you didn't pack any?
08:49Well, I tried them.
08:50She forgot.
08:51I tried them last minute.
08:53She forgot.
08:54Because she knew that there were going to get struck down.
08:57A male chef coming tonight.
08:58So she will be wearing a load.
09:00She's like, ooh, is that single?
09:02These kids are going to be way outside.
09:05It might be time to pump.
09:06Wait, did you bring underwear?
09:07No, I literally didn't bring anything.
09:09Like, you don't have a thing.
09:10I don't have anything.
09:11Can you door dash garments?
09:14Feeling so good now.
09:18Woo!
09:19Dinner.
09:20Hi.
09:21Hi, you guys.
09:22Dinner.
09:24Did you do this all yourself, Macy?
09:25I made this, everyone.
09:27Who's seeing the pair?
09:28Do you guys want to see a bridge?
09:29Yes, absolutely.
09:30We have a meal.
09:31Jen, you want to say the prayer?
09:32Sure.
09:33Dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this day.
09:35We're so grateful for this time that we could spend together.
09:38And He's blessed this food will give us
09:40strength and strength in our bodies
09:42and that we may have an amazing weekend.
09:46And I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
09:49Amen.
09:51Praise the Lord, hallelujah.
09:55Whitney, are you drinking rose?
09:57It is.
09:58Want a taste?
10:00All right, are we doing a little cheers for Macy?
10:03For me?
10:04I'm happy because things look like they're going good so far.
10:07So I think we're all just hoping it stays that way.
10:10OK, raise a toast for Macy.
10:13Macy!
10:13Cheers!
10:14Macy, happy birthday.
10:16Yay, happy birthday.
10:17Happy 21st.
10:19Happy 16th birthday.
10:21Oh my gosh.
10:22Should we go around and do an I love you because?
10:25Oh, I love that.
10:25Yeah, let's do it.
10:27I love Macy because I know I could tell her absolutely
10:30anything and she wouldn't judge me for it.
10:32Aw.
10:33She just gets my sense of humor.
10:35I feel like we're very, actually, we're not similar.
10:38We're actually quite opposite.
10:40But that's what makes it the best, you know?
10:43You are just genuinely yourself and I think you're amazing.
10:46You're blunt.
10:47You just say how it is to people's face.
10:49And some people will call that bitchy.
10:54But I actually really like that.
10:56I love all of you.
10:56Thank you for being here.
10:58I'm glad we could all come together and feast.
11:01My favorite thing to do, which is to eat.
11:04Guys, I have something for you.
11:05I have a little activity.
11:06Oh, no.
11:07OK, everyone.
11:08I brought a truth box.
11:13This is full 100% honesty tonight, OK?
11:17I'm hoping we are able to share if there
11:21is existing tension that we're able to be honest
11:23and work through those things.
11:24No, I'm going to die.
11:26This sucks, because this group of girls,
11:28even if this is meant to be light-hearted
11:30and good intentions, it's not going to be.
11:33This is so stupid.
11:35It's an anonymous truth box, really.
11:37If you really want to tell someone the truth,
11:39just go say it to their face.
11:40Demi's truth box, this is the worst idea
11:43I've ever heard in my entire life.
11:45So in here, I have cards that you're
11:48going to write a question on.
11:50And we don't know who said what, right?
11:52No, they're all anonymous.
11:54Leave them anonymous.
11:56So I'm going to pass out the cards,
11:58write it down on the card, fold it in half,
12:00and then just put it back in the box.
12:01OK, here we go.
12:04I'm really not wanting to do this.
12:09I personally am excited for it.
12:11I don't have much to release.
12:14Everyone just kind of knows my dirty laundry already.
12:16But I'm curious to hear other people's.
12:19OK, is everyone done?
12:19Should we go change?
12:20Yeah.
12:21Let's go change.
12:21Put our sweats on.
12:22Sweatsuit.
12:23The whole intention of this truth box
12:25is to say the things that you want to say.
12:27And honestly, I want to clear the air with Whitney,
12:30hash out what we need to hash out, and move past this.
12:34So who's getting the short straw?
12:36Who's going first?
12:37Saw my name.
12:38Laila, if you could sleep with one of your friend's husbands,
12:41who would it be and why?
12:42Ew.
12:53I'm not going to go take bread from him.
12:55He wouldn't even give me a chance.
12:56Are you kidding me?
12:57Look at his face.
12:59I would never.
13:00But theoretically, if you guys weren't together,
13:03I would find him like a treat.
13:05She's like, I'd be mom's stepmom.
13:07Oh my god.
13:08All right, next.
13:09Jen, which girl in this room would you go lesbian for?
13:13Prove it!
13:14Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark.
13:16Oh, gosh.
13:18It's Kay.
13:19It's already been.
13:20Yeah.
13:21I've done that.
13:22Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss.
13:25I do.
13:26I think I go when you're hot.
13:32Whitney.
13:33Oh god.
13:34Every time someone's reading a part of my heart.
13:36Why don't you like Taylor?
13:37Are you just jealous of her clout?
13:42Oh god.
13:45Oh my god.
13:47Literally, in my mind, I'm like, shit, shit, shit, shit, shit.
13:55I don't think I'm jealous of Taylor's clout.
13:59I think I was jealous of the forgiveness that Taylor got.
14:03During that time of her whole swinger drama.
14:05That I feel like I didn't get.
14:07Wait, forgiveness for what?
14:09Just like the RSV video.
14:17Two weeks after I had given birth,
14:19Connor took Liam to our pediatrician.
14:22The doctor is testing his oxygen levels.
14:25And the doctor's like, these are scarcely low.
14:28Like, you need to take him to the emergency room right now.
14:31So Connor rushes Liam to the emergency room.
14:34The first couple of days were a bit scary.
14:37But then he was getting better.
14:40And so I'm thinking, like, let's, you know, do something fun.
14:44And I made a video.
14:47In that video,
14:49people felt that I was using my child's sickness
14:52for clout and for attention.
14:54Everyone was so quick to forgive Taylor online.
14:57Her swinging.
14:59And then I just feel like I still get shredded to pieces
15:02almost every single video.
15:04But no, I'm not jealous of Taylor's clout.
15:07And I feel like, if I don't like her,
15:09I feel like that's a completely different conversation
15:11for a different time.
15:13Yeah.
15:15I am very confused, because I'm like, girl,
15:18you have no idea the amount of bullying,
15:21threats, and comments that I have received
15:24on a daily basis up until today
15:27on how awful of a person I am.
15:29So I think I got way more trash than she has by far.
15:33It's so crazy to me that Whitney's not honest with Taylor
15:36about her feelings of jealousy,
15:38because she is very open about it when Taylor's not around.
15:41And when asked straight to her face, Whitney lies about it.
15:44Come on, girl, the truth has got to come out sometime.
15:47Taylor, if you found out today that Dakota lied
15:49and actually slept with Jenna that night,
15:51would you leave him even though you were having his baby?
15:54100,000% would be dead to me.
15:57Oh, really?
15:59Wait, we need a little backstory.
16:01So we weren't, like, officially dating.
16:03He had originally slept with a girl,
16:05lied about it, ended up telling me the truth.
16:07He was like, OK, like, I'm so sorry.
16:09And I was like, it's good, we're not dating.
16:11And then he went off with another girl, which is Jenna.
16:13I asked him if, like, he slept with her,
16:15and he said he only kissed her.
16:17He's, like, sworn on his life.
16:19Because I said if that ever comes out,
16:21that you guys did anything else,
16:23I will leave you in, like, a snap of the fingers.
16:25So I was like, so if you did, just come clear now.
16:27And he's, like, sworn on his life that he didn't.
16:29So even now, even though that was, like...
16:31100%, it wouldn't even be a question.
16:33I'd leave in a heartbeat.
16:35OK, next question.
16:37I've never said she's too Mormon.
16:39I have said that you bring it up in conversation a lot.
16:41Can't do that, because da-da-da.
16:43Or, like, can't wear that, because my garments are da-da-da.
16:45It's just brought up a lot.
16:47And to me...
16:49So that would stop you from hanging out with me?
16:51No, not...
16:53Being friends with me?
16:55No, no, no, no.
16:57Which is funny, you were giggling,
16:59because you were the one that told her this, obviously.
17:01Yeah.
17:03Demi actually told me something about you.
17:05Recently?
17:07Yeah.
17:09Something about being very Mormon.
17:11And you guys both agreed, so...
17:13Agreed?
17:15No, we did not.
17:17Yes, you did.
17:19Absolutely not.
17:21That's not a word.
17:23Well, we didn't, but I'll say that we did.
17:25Yes, you did.
17:27No, we did not.
17:29Ultimately, did I say that Jen is too Mormon?
17:31I did, and I stand by that.
17:33I don't think necessarily it was who I knew
17:35that information came from.
17:37We were shocked. We were like, really?
17:39We thought you were friends with Jen.
17:41I was friends with Jen, but then when I brought it up,
17:43you said, I totally understand where you're coming from.
17:45She can be that way.
17:47Did I say that, Macy? Did I say that?
17:49I don't remember.
17:51Talk to Jen.
17:53You guys work it out.
17:55No, don't be that bitch.
17:57Don't say, I'm gonna tell the story, then don't talk to me.
17:59No, we're right here.
18:01I understand where you're coming from.
18:03She can be that way.
18:05This is so stupid.
18:07Please, somebody come in this door and shoot me
18:09because I do not want to be here anymore.
18:11But what's so confusing to me
18:13is that you would rate yourself
18:15a 9 out of 10 on the Mormon scale,
18:17yet I'm too Mormon for you.
18:19It's not about being too Mormon.
18:21I don't go around saying,
18:23I'm hosting a BYU Mormon graduation.
18:25I'm wearing my garments for the 7,000th time.
18:27I'm solid in who I am, and I don't need to go around
18:29saying I'm a Mormon, but I feel like often
18:31you will wear that as a badge of honor,
18:33and to me, it's kind of gaggy.
18:35What's frustrating is that you didn't confront me first,
18:37and I feel like now you're notorious
18:39for doing this for a lot of people,
18:41like calling Taylor white trash.
18:47When Whitney told me
18:49that Demi said I was too Mormon for her,
18:51she also told me
18:53that Demi called
18:55Taylor white trash.
18:57That's kind of harsh.
18:59That's really harsh.
19:01You don't just say that.
19:03I wouldn't even say that.
19:05I don't like Taylor.
19:07It seems like you keep doing this.
19:09What are you talking about?
19:11Wait, so when did you call me white trash?
19:13Let me explain where that was coming from.
19:15I had just gotten done explaining to the girls
19:17the night of the party that we came over.
19:19We were, like, super drunk,
19:21so I don't even know if you remember this,
19:23but you were, like, coming over,
19:25and she... granted, I knew nothing that was going on.
19:27You started being super, like,
19:29flirty with Brett and, like, laughing with him
19:31and leaning over the couch, and I was, like,
19:33sitting there, and I was, like...
19:35No.
19:371,000% Brett was there, I can confirm.
19:39You were leaning over the couch, and you were, like,
19:41teeheehee, like, laughing into him,
19:43and you were, like, talking directly to him
19:45while I was sitting right there on the couch.
19:47I was, like, watching you go from, like,
19:49husband to husband, flirty, whatever.
19:51Well, I was, like, considered a swinger,
19:53but I didn't know that at the time.
19:55So from my perspective, I'm thinking,
19:57I got invited to a couple's party, and this is trashy.
19:59It's a complete shit show.
20:01In the shitter, the sewer
20:03does shit everywhere.
20:05Shit, shit, shit.
20:07But, honestly, I love it.
20:09But it still doesn't make it acceptable to call.
20:11I'm not saying that. Shush.
20:13What I'm saying is that I just...
20:15It's not shusher.
20:17No, no, I don't want to hear your judgment,
20:19because you haven't even listened to what I'm saying,
20:21and that's a shame.
20:23In that moment when I had just told everyone
20:25what had happened, I feel like all those feelings came up,
20:27and I just get kind of loose-lipped,
20:29and I'm just like, honestly, yeah,
20:31a lot of what she does is trashy, and, like, yeah,
20:33I'm not surprised. That is trashy.
20:35So what else is trashy that I do, then, since a lot of it is?
20:37Well, I mean, the whole swinging thing was trashy.
20:39Sure, we got that down. What else?
20:41No, I know. That's what I'm saying.
20:43You're saying a lot of what I do.
20:45No, a lot of what we have seen, like your TikToks
20:47and, like, the...
20:49You're flipping about the swinging situation,
20:51and just, like, that whole era of your life.
20:53The white trash from Demi hurts me.
20:55Sure, I've done trashy things,
20:57but right now she knows it's something
20:59I'm trying to work through, I've been working through,
21:01and so for her to take that jab at me,
21:03oh, hell no.
21:05If you're gonna take a jab at me,
21:07then I'm gonna call out your stuff as well.
21:09Do you think it's trashy to take off your dress
21:11in front of my boyfriend?
21:13What? To put your mic on?
21:15What are you talking about?
21:18No one else is here, right?
21:20Yes, come up.
21:22Oh, I'm sorry, I literally already had my bra out
21:24when he walked in to get mic'd.
21:26No, you dropped it. I watched you do it.
21:28What?
21:30Oh, my gosh, what is happening right now?
21:32This is exactly what I was afraid of.
21:34I would rather give birth without an epidural
21:36than sit through this any longer.
21:38You had your dress full on, and you didn't need
21:40to drop it to get mic'd, and you took it off,
21:42and you were just in your bra.
21:44And Dakota felt so uncomfortable.
21:46It matters, definitely, in that moment.
21:48We were in a rush situation to get the mics on.
21:50I don't think it's trashy, because I think...
21:52Really? You don't think it's trashy
21:54pulling off your dress in front of my boyfriend?
21:56No, especially because I didn't...
21:58So if I did that to Brett, that's not trashy?
22:00No. Tits in his face? Really?
22:02Oh, you think I went like this?
22:04Dakota! Ooh!
22:06I literally was turned like this and unbuttoned.
22:08If you're worried about that, that's a you and Dakota problem.
22:10No, Dakota felt uncomfortable.
22:12Her bra, her tits are right there.
22:14That's a him problem.
22:16So if I go up to Brett and take off my dress
22:18in front of him, and he's looking,
22:20because he accidentally looked, because it's like right there,
22:22that's a him problem or a Maya problem?
22:24The situation matters.
22:26I'm not the freaking swinger here.
22:28I'm not the one that's going around trying to seduce
22:30other people's husbands.
22:32I'm not proud of any of these things.
22:34I want to put my past behind me,
22:36but I don't know if these women are ever
22:38going to be able to let go of my past.
22:44Don't you feel like this is a conversation
22:46you guys should have alone, maybe?
22:48No, we're in the middle of this.
22:50Like, I don't feel like you need to...
22:52you guys need to hash this out, obviously.
22:54People are out for blood.
22:56They are out for me, specifically.
22:58None of you are standing here clean,
23:00and I'm getting pretty frustrated
23:02because Whitney was the one telling all this information.
23:04Whitney, who is your least favorite
23:06in the group, and why?
23:08Oh, God.
23:10Honestly, I feel like right now it's Demi.
23:12I just feel like anything that...
23:14any truth I say, you say,
23:16no, you agreed with me, you said this,
23:18and I'm like, but I didn't say that.
23:20I don't know.
23:22I just...
23:24it's Demi right now for me.
23:26Box is done. God bless.
23:28We made it through without ripping each other's heads off.
23:30I love that that was my idea,
23:32and I feel like I just got obliterated.
23:34That was a great idea.
23:36The intention was there, wasn't it?
23:38I don't know about the truth box.
23:40I think a better name for this game
23:42would have been, like,
23:44murder-suicide.
23:48It doesn't make any sense to me.
23:50I'm like, you're literally gaslighting everyone right now.
23:52You do realize that, right?
23:54I never said that. I never, ever said that.
23:56Yeah.
23:58I'm just kind of mad that you didn't stick up for me.
24:00Me? With what?
24:02Because you were in the car with me,
24:04and you were like, I didn't hear.
24:06I'm trying to remember what's going on.
24:08What if I said that?
24:10But that's why I said, no, we didn't,
24:12when she first said that, because I'm like,
24:14I know for a fact I didn't.
24:16I know, but when I was like, Macy, like, you were in the car with me.
24:18I don't think that it's fair
24:20that Whitney is saying I'm not supportive.
24:22All I do is support her.
24:24We are only, like, three hours into this trip,
24:26and I'm already like,
24:28I want to pack my bags and go home.
24:30Like, this isn't fun. Everyone's screaming at each other.
24:32She's like, no, you did say that.
24:34I'm like, can you just shut the fuck up?
24:36Well, I'll back you up if you have the conversation again.
24:40I want you to know that I
24:42am not some phony person
24:44that, like, thinks ill of you,
24:46that is talking behind your back.
24:48It was a literal isolated moment,
24:50and I feel like I had that resentment
24:52built up from you, regardless of, like,
24:54how I was feeling. Like, I should have
24:56addressed that with you so that it didn't fester, you know?
24:58Yeah.
25:00It was a low moment that came out in a petty way,
25:02and I apologize for that. It was not okay in any way.
25:04Yeah.
25:06Thank you for saying that. I just...
25:08I know we were supposed to have a room together,
25:10but I think I just kind of want to sleep alone.
25:12I get it. You take this room.
25:14You need to be comfortable. I'll go to the bunk beds.
25:16For real.
25:18You sure?
25:20Yes.
25:22Ugh.
25:24Night-night.
25:26Okay, good night.
25:28I regret using the words that I did
25:30in the flippant way that I did,
25:32because I experienced hurt,
25:34and she did, too,
25:36but my intentions are pure, and they are good,
25:38and I'm really, really hopeful
25:40that we'll be able to move forward
25:42and be stronger in our friendship than we ever have.
25:44Everyone say their prayers, please.
25:54Can I switch sides with you really quick
25:56so I can use this girl in there?
25:58Let me move my whole bag, then.
26:00You guys, I'm here. I'm ready.
26:02The party's started now.
26:04Woo-hoo!
26:06This is the beginning.
26:08And we all are doing it.
26:10So, like, you do a move, and then you walk.
26:12Oh, that's cute.
26:14Last night, it was an absolute shit show.
26:16I really hope that we can bounce back from this,
26:18because, bitches, it's my birthday.
26:20Okay, ready?
26:22Sort of.
26:31Oh!
26:33That better be.
26:35Yeah!
26:37I love this one.
26:39Does everyone love this one?
26:41I love that one.
26:46I love that one.
26:50We did it!
26:52I'm gonna go upstairs.
26:54Yeah, go get ready.
26:56No, I need you to come with me.
26:59Have fun.
27:01I will.
27:03Bye, guys.
27:05This morning is already uncomfortable
27:07because of last night.
27:09There is animosity in the air,
27:11but I think that Whitney and I
27:13definitely need to sit down
27:15and have a conversation,
27:17and get to the bottom of it.
27:19I'm tired of feeling this, like,
27:21uncomfort with group settings.
27:23Where should we go?
27:25This is good. This is comfy.
27:27Don't punch me.
27:29I'm not gonna come at you screaming.
27:31I can't come at you.
27:33No, I won't think screaming.
27:35Just, I don't know.
27:37I know you have some feelings about me.
27:39That's no secret, obviously.
27:41I started with the baby showers
27:43when I truly figured it out,
27:45but I feel like you're really good
27:47at telling people how you feel
27:49about them straight up,
27:51so I'm just curious
27:53why I haven't been told.
27:55I didn't feel like I was fine
27:57with where we were at.
27:59I didn't feel like I wanted
28:01to explain it.
28:03I just felt like that was
28:05an intimate thing for you,
28:07and that was for close friends
28:09and family, and I don't feel
28:11like I'm your close friend.
28:13I'm confused on what I did.
28:15There's something that, like,
28:17sparked you to not like me,
28:19and I just was curious
28:21what it was.
28:23I don't know.
28:25I just felt like
28:27it hasn't been reciprocated,
28:29and I was like, well, I don't want to be friends
28:31with someone like that, then.
28:33It's exhausting.
28:35There's probably girls down there
28:37that you're not besties with.
28:39I'm not besties with,
28:41but I've definitely had more
28:43of a connection with them,
28:45more than you, but I feel like I've tried.
28:47In the beginning, I was trying
28:49to have this connection with you,
28:52Her issue with Taylor is
28:54her issue with herself, honestly.
28:56Like, I think it's just that she feels
28:58like she's comparing herself to Taylor
29:00and isn't living up to what the hype
29:02that Taylor's getting, and so she's
29:04comparing, and why is she getting the attention?
29:06Why is the public forgiving her quicker than me?
29:08I feel like I'm slowly
29:10putting the pieces together of
29:12who the real Whitney is,
29:14and there are a few people in the group,
29:16specifically Macy
29:18and Jen, who
29:20haven't quite seen
29:22the puzzle pieces coming together,
29:24and I think it's only a matter of time before
29:26the whole facade is showcased.
29:28What she's saying, like,
29:30I was frustrated
29:32that I keep getting
29:34shit for my RSV video, and like,
29:36people forgive you super quick.
29:38You have a vulnerable, sick child in your video.
29:40I understand that back then, like, TikTok was
29:42very different. It was like, you filmed everything, and it was like,
29:44just throw everything out and see what sticks.
29:46But looking back, I'm like,
29:48no, even that video, when she posted it, caught me off guard.
29:50But also, that day,
29:52she said that Liam was, like, doing a lot better, so she was
29:54happy, so she was trying to make, like, a happy video,
29:56and, like, it just wasn't, like, what her intention
29:58was was not what was received.
30:00She's like, no, my intention was to get likes and clout.
30:04She admitted that to me.
30:06I never heard her say that.
30:08It was after their ketamine session, I know.
30:10It was after her ketamine session. Whitney and I did ketamine
30:12about eight months ago, which
30:14is a therapy for
30:16physical trauma or emotional trauma.
30:18And coming out of ketamine,
30:20you are feeling things very
30:22deeply. Truths are coming
30:24out about yourself that you maybe
30:26wouldn't otherwise admit. And in that moment,
30:28she admitted to me that video that she
30:30posted was for sympathy,
30:32likes, clout, and for
30:34recognition and to gain her following.
30:36I think I even might have a video of her admitting
30:38that. You're like, I actually needed this for blackmail.
30:42In that moment, I just...
30:44I didn't want to hear anyone else's.
30:46I just wanted everyone there to be there for me
30:48for just... I'm actually glad I got
30:50called out on that because now when I'm
30:52listening to people's stuff, I'm like,
30:54I want to relate, but I also just want to kind of, like, validate
30:56their feelings first. Yeah.
30:58And then maybe relate, you know?
31:00But...
31:02Why is she being so nice?
31:04Yeah.
31:06We need someone unkind to go break it up.
31:08I'm kidding.
31:10Whitney tends to dismiss
31:12feelings or even gaslight
31:14you when you express that certain
31:16things happened and that you felt
31:18a certain way. She seems to flip the script
31:20and somehow become the victim
31:22of her own chaos. And
31:24I'm sick of it. This is exhausting.
31:26I'm cursed
31:28by your name
31:30in my mind. I'm
31:32disturbed.
31:34You pushed me a little bit too far, Whitney.
31:36I'm gonna set the record straight at all costs.
31:38Feels like I'm haunted
31:40by you.
31:46Like, I would love to be there
31:48for things you're excited about or you want,
31:50like, support there, but I feel like
31:52when I told you my whole Conner thing,
31:54I got zero. Nothing.
31:56Wait, zero from who?
31:58Everyone. I don't agree with that.
32:00I remember reaching out to you and being
32:02there for you. Honestly, I don't
32:04even know why she's here. I don't even know why
32:06she presented herself in this conversation. I'm just
32:08like, what's your intentions? Let's talk
32:10about intention. What's your intention for being
32:12here in this conversation? I feel like
32:14Taylor doesn't care about me, and I don't
32:16want to be around someone like that. And it's as
32:18simple as that. I don't know
32:20how you expect me to work on this when I had no idea
32:22any of this. And same with Demi. But I don't expect
32:24you to work from this. That's what I'm saying. No, through all this time
32:26you did that. Just leave it as it is. Well, now.
32:28Just leave it. The entire time I could
32:30have worked on it. And I didn't care enough to say anything.
32:32I didn't want to say anything. But you did
32:34to everyone else. You'll bring other
32:36people's stuff up to other people, like
32:38the Jen situation. Like, you'll
32:40take something that I said that I, by the way, told
32:42you not to say anything, and you said, I swear on my life
32:44I won't say it. You're the one that did the truth box.
32:46I never, ever brought that up.
32:48I told Jen, and she
32:50can do with it whatever she wants to do with that.
32:52Yeah, but why did you feel the need to tell Jen?
32:54Like, I didn't go to Taylor being like, Whitney feels
32:56this way. She knew that. I don't know how.
32:58And if you did, I wouldn't care.
33:00Okay, but you're sitting here saying that you
33:02don't care to have the conversation, that you don't care to
33:04remedy these things, but then you're gonna, like, shit on
33:06Taylor behind her back, and then you're gonna come at me for something
33:08I said about Taylor. How am I shitting on her? Everything I've
33:10said about her, I just said to her face right now. Just now?
33:12But for the last two years,
33:14she hasn't heard a word of it. We're the ones hearing all of it.
33:16Does that bother you? Does that bother you that I didn't tell you?
33:18Yeah, it bothered me that you didn't come to my shower and just tell me, like,
33:20hey, I don't want to be friends with you. Like,
33:22I thought we were friends. So when you didn't show up,
33:24I was like, it was a big deal.
33:26Well, I don't regret anything.
33:28I'm glad I told Jen. I don't think that was wrong.
33:30I'd still do it. Okay, well then you're a shitty friend.
33:34And then I guess don't be my friend.
33:36Okay, I don't want to be your friend.
33:38If that's the way you're gonna be, that's not a friend.
33:40Did you not just call Taylor white trash?
33:42Were you planning on dressing that to Taylor?
33:44No, but was that your place to say?
33:46It wasn't. And you don't care.
33:48You don't give a shit.
33:50I wish I could say I'm surprised by Whitney's behavior right now,
33:52but I'm absolutely not.
33:54She needs to own it, apologize,
33:56work on it, and move forward.
33:58It's one of these things where she wants to become
34:00the victim of her own behavior.
34:02You're hurt and that's okay.
34:04I've been there where you don't want to give a fuck.
34:06But you're hurt in life
34:08and you're going to take it out on everyone.
34:10I don't get that. I get it.
34:12I don't want to talk about it. She's hurt you.
34:14I've never hurt Whitney. Well, I have.
34:16But I get like where... And then runs away.
34:18So I guess I'm right.
34:20I guess I'm right.
34:22Comical.
34:28Where'd she go?
34:30In there.
34:32You're gonna like dish it?
34:34Be able to take it then.
34:36Me? You okay?
34:38The gloves are off, baby.
34:40War has just begun.
34:42And you better sleep with one eye open.
34:44I hate the shit of you can dish it, but you can't take it.
34:46That's the shit. I do not stand behind.
34:48Be a woman, you little twat.
34:50What's going on?
34:52I couldn't hear everything. What's wrong?
34:54She thinks it's her place
34:56to tell everyone other people's shit.
34:58Are you okay?
35:00When has that ever been a thing?
35:02And then as we're having a heated conversation,
35:04gets up, cries, and leaves.
35:06The way that Whitney talks
35:08and changes her persona
35:10in the moment of like...
35:12I didn't know.
35:14Well, she was being a little...
35:16Be yourself.
35:18Who are you right now?
35:20It's so different to us and then to her.
35:22No, it's like you want to talk about fake
35:24and behind people's back?
35:26Whitney, you scare me.
35:28I feel like such a pussy right now.
35:30Why? You're fine.
35:32Why?
35:34You're her and you need space
35:36and that's like totally valid.
35:38How does it feel, Whitney? I literally want to go ask her.
35:40How does it feel?
35:42And I try to talk to you about it upstairs,
35:44you're just like, and I do it again, and I do it again.
35:46You're a bitch.
35:48No, I'm stronger than this.
35:50Crying doesn't mean you're not strong.
35:52It's better to walk away than to say things
35:54that you don't actually mean.
35:56So you did the strong thing by walking away.
35:58Let's make this a group affair.
36:00Guys.
36:02No. Jesus.
36:04Continue telling the people
36:06everything about anyone and everyone else.
36:08Demi, can you just get out of the room, please?
36:10No, I won't. Nope, because you're talking about me, so no, I won't.
36:12Demi, she needs some space right now.
36:14No, I don't care.
36:16Why was she last night when she shit on me
36:18in front of literally everyone?
36:20Where was she? What was she doing?
36:22You need to disrespect that.
36:24What the fuck are you talking about, Jen?
36:26Shut up.
36:28Guys, we're both going at each other.
36:30So why are you being so rude now?
36:32You're being a bitch.
36:34No, I'm not.
36:36No, I'm not.
36:38Because I have two people right here
36:40sitting beside Whitney when last night
36:42was probably the most heightened experience
36:44we've experienced in this whole journey
36:46of minion fest over here.
36:48Well, I'm fest.
36:50Of two little puppies
36:52sitting next to Whitney being like,
36:54back off, she's unstable.
36:56You raising your voice isn't helping the situation.
36:58I mean, I'm not sitting here screaming.
37:00I'm sitting here saying,
37:02I have a right to be upset.
37:04I'm frustrated. I'm confused at where Whitney stands
37:06and I thought we were friends
37:08and that's not what a friend would do.
37:10I feel like you don't even care about mom talk outside of posting.
37:12Just because I told Jen what you said.
37:14Why are you telling everyone's everything?
37:16I didn't say the white trash thing.
37:18Okay, does anyone else want to try me?
37:20How Whitney will hear information
37:22and she gets close to certain people
37:24and we've kind of felt like it's a rotating door.
37:26And it kind of feels like there's different people
37:28that get to be close to Whitney.
37:30When she says stuff about Taylor,
37:32it's really mean behind Taylor's back
37:34and then when it's face to face, she's like,
37:36oh yeah, I get it.
37:38And I just don't think it's fair that you can act that way
37:40and it's okay when it's not okay for me to do.
37:42Whitney gets close to you until she gets what she wants
37:44and then she just moves on. That's just my opinion.
37:46And that's why I just wanted to sit you down
37:48so you can express all of it so I know with you.
37:50Like I know you're saying you're not caring
37:52but I find that hard to believe I think you want to.
37:54I think I just hurt you really bad.
37:56Maybe I can't be your best friend right now
37:58but I could still here and there be a friend to you.
38:00Yeah.
38:02I don't even know what's right and what's wrong anymore.
38:04I thought that I was doing the right thing
38:06telling Jen,
38:08this is Demi's feelings towards you.
38:10She's a little bit two faced
38:12because then she's acting like your friend surface level
38:14but then going behind your back.
38:16I don't know.
38:18It's confusing.
38:20I don't know what was right and I don't know what was wrong.
38:22Anything else from anyone?
38:24This is your time.
38:26Let it out.
38:28This is your time.
38:30I have something to say.
38:32Weren't we supposed to go to dinner at 6?
38:34Oh, shit.
38:36Yeah, we have to go.
38:38Are you okay?
38:40It's okay.
38:42That's okay.
38:44It's okay to feel that way.
38:46I think Taylor was right, though,
38:48and she said that you act like you don't care
38:50but you do.
38:52I know.
38:54But I don't want to care.
38:56I know you don't want to care
38:58but that's what makes you beautiful
39:00and amazing, that you do care.
39:02So what I thought was going to be
39:04an empowering moment
39:06and what I thought was going to be
39:08an empowering weekend
39:10is now all in shambles.
39:12I don't like confrontation
39:14when it's in my friend group.
39:16At this point, Mom Talk was already hanging by a thread
39:18before this trip, and now we're having this happen.
39:20I don't want to be anyone's friend.
39:22Why?
39:24Because of what Jessie said.
39:26Like what?
39:28Then I get close to people, and then once I get what I want out of them,
39:30then I move on.
39:32I'm like, what the actual fuck?
39:34I do think Whitney has an interesting way of handling things.
39:36I definitely wouldn't have handled things the way she has,
39:38and I think she kind of just
39:40leaves when things get hard
39:42instead of trying to really figure them out.
39:44And at the same time, I do think it's one of those things
39:46where we have to do some more work to figure out what's going on
39:48and not just run away from it.
39:50Happy birthday.
40:04Did we bring Macy's presents?
40:06Probably should have.
40:08I didn't get her one.
40:10You're like, I'm good, because I didn't bring one.
40:12Yeah, I think that's them.
40:14Don't flip anybody, Taylor.
40:16Protect the belly if you fall.
40:18Especially in heels.
40:20Jen knows what she's doing.
40:22Ugh, it's the worst.
40:24This is so cute.
40:26Great.
40:28I'm so excited.
40:30I'm so excited.
40:32Great.
40:34Okay, birthday girl,
40:36you have to wear this the whole dinner.
40:38Ooh, okay.
40:40Beautiful.
40:4429, baby.
40:46Feeling fine.
40:48JK, 21.
40:50I'm honestly exhausted at this point.
40:52I'm so pregnant.
40:54I feel bad for Macy,
40:56because her birthday is being ruined.
40:58I think there are times where you should
41:00just kind of suck it up for other people.
41:02So I think in this situation for Macy's dinner,
41:04everyone just shutting up,
41:06and let's enjoy the night for Macy.
41:08Rub some dirt on it,
41:10and we can cry when we get home.
41:12You're taking pictures, Layla.
41:14Oh, you are.
41:16That's what I'm getting.
41:18That sounds really good.
41:20A vibe, really.
41:22But I didn't want to share it with the table.
41:24I wanted it to be my meal.
41:26What did you want steak to?
41:28All of the friends that I thought I had,
41:30I guess they're not really my friends.
41:32I'm looking at Demi,
41:34and I'm just like,
41:36you look like you're on fucking cloud nine right now.
41:42I have to pee real fast.
41:46Everyone is
41:48acting like everything's fine.
41:50It's sad.
41:52It's sad.
41:56I thought I was stronger than that.
41:58I can't even sit there.
42:00No, I'll be fine.
42:02I'm just going to pretend like I'm going to the bathroom.
42:04I think I just need to cry for a second.
42:06I'm going to cry, and then I'll be okay.
42:08Do you need anything?
42:10No, I'm okay.
42:16Did she talk at all on the way here?
42:18Yeah, she was like,
42:20I think she feels bad too,
42:22but like things that she said and stuff too.
42:24Yeah, I get it. Trust me.
42:26Literally me last night.
42:28I feel like she kind of needs to feel the sting
42:30of what her actions can bring
42:32to people so that she understands
42:34what that feels like, because it doesn't feel good.
42:36Like that's below the belt stuff.
42:38So it's like, Whitney, that's exactly what we're talking about.
42:40It doesn't feel good. Does it feel good?
42:42Okay, I hope you don't do that moving forward.
42:46You want to do it, and I'll hold it?
42:48I can do it. I can do it.
42:52Happy birthday to you.
42:58Happy birthday, dear Macy.
43:04Oh my God.
43:06I know when I'm fucking in the wrong.
43:08I was fucking not wrong.
43:10Happy birthday to you.
43:15If this is what mom talk has turned into,
43:18I don't want to do this anymore.
43:20I don't even know if these friendships are worth fighting for.
43:30My husband is going to kill me.
43:34This is my lucky poker sweatshirt.
43:36He said you're playing poker.
43:38I don't know that being in Sin City
43:40is the best thing for Zach.
43:44Get into it.
43:46Like I haven't done anything wrong.
43:48No.
43:50Missing person alert.
43:52He's out of control.
43:54This is why the sisterhood of mom talk was created in the first place.
43:56She's MIA. She's not answering her phone.
43:58I mean, maybe I watched too much true crime.
44:00Happy birthday, girl.
44:02Oh my gosh.
44:04What's all the hot gossip?
44:06She unfollowed all of us.
44:08Do you still consider them friends?
44:10Should I invite Whitney?
44:12Awkward.
44:14Mom talk's not what it was,
44:16and I don't know if it ever will be again.
44:18Why are you here?
44:20The one time I need support, you're not there for me.
44:22This is an act, and I'm over it.
44:24This is exhausting.
44:26Cool.
44:28Should I say something to her?
44:30You're trying to stir the pot between me and Taryn.
44:32I don't like him.
44:34Everyone's getting married before their brains even develop.
44:36I did not invite him.
44:38This is for women.
44:40If you look at it that way, Taylor, yes.
44:42My gosh, aren't you miserable?
44:44Yeah.
44:46It's not going to get better. He's not going to change.
44:48You're going to lose everything.
44:50I don't care.