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Common Sense Bible Study's complete discussion of Proverbs 2.
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00:00:00All right, if somebody else shows up or if there's a comment that I don't see, please
00:00:10draw my attention to it so I can make sure that they get into the study.
00:00:13All right, so we are beginning on Proverbs 2.
00:00:18I posted some questions on the Common Sense Bible Studies and things for people to think
00:00:23about before tonight.
00:00:26I wish I had seen them before tonight, but anyway, I didn't look and see them.
00:00:31All right, here we go.
00:00:34All right, so let me just go over these questions real quick and then we'll read the text of
00:00:40Proverbs 2 and then go back and see what thoughts anybody has about these questions, what answers
00:00:47anybody's come up with.
00:00:49So in Proverbs 2, what process does the text prescribe for learning the fear and knowledge
00:00:56of God, and are there steps in the process or is it just general direction?
00:01:03Number two, the chapter begins by describing how to obtain wisdom from the proper source
00:01:08and then discusses three primary benefits of wisdom.
00:01:12What are those three benefits and what verses address each one?
00:01:15Now, that one's kind of a tricky one because everybody's going to read this chapter a little
00:01:20bit differently and probably put an emphasis on different benefits because there's a long
00:01:26list and the way that I read it, they're kind of grouped in three areas, but there's a lot
00:01:32of overlap too.
00:01:37Number three, how does the Bible define the concepts of righteousness, justice, and equity?
00:01:43And number four, Solomon's advice was directed explicitly at young men, so he talked about
00:01:49avoiding the ways of evil men and avoiding adulteresses, however, the principles apply
00:01:54to young women as well.
00:01:56So how would these passages be worded differently if they had been addressed to Solomon's daughter
00:02:00instead of his son?
00:02:02Presuming, of course, that the text is written by Solomon to Rehoboam or one of his other
00:02:06sons rather than from David to Solomon or something like that.
00:02:11Okay, so Proverbs 2.
00:02:17My son, oh, let me switch over to ESV, I was on King James version there.
00:02:23My son, if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments within you, making your
00:02:27ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding, yes, if you call out
00:02:32for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for
00:02:37it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the
00:02:41knowledge of God.
00:02:43The Lord gives wisdom, from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
00:02:47He stores up sound wisdom for the upright.
00:02:49He is a shield to those who walk in integrity, guarding the paths of justice and watching
00:02:54over the way of his saints.
00:02:57Then you will understand righteousness and justice and equity, every good path, for wisdom
00:03:02will come into your heart and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
00:03:06Discretion will watch over you.
00:03:08Understanding will guard you, delivering you from the way of evil, from men of perverted
00:03:13speech, who forsake the paths of uprightness to walk in the ways of darkness, who rejoice
00:03:19in doing evil and delight in the perverseness of evil, men whose paths are crooked and who
00:03:24are devious in their ways.
00:03:26So you will be delivered from the forbidden woman, from the adulteress with her smooth
00:03:30words, who forsakes the companion of her youth and forgets the covenant of her God.
00:03:36For her house sinks down to death and her paths to the departed, none who go to her
00:03:41come back, nor do they regain the paths of life.
00:03:44So you will walk in the way of the good and keep to the paths of the righteous.
00:03:49For the upright will inhabit the land and those with integrity will remain in it, but
00:03:54the wicked will be cut off from the land and the treacherous will be rooted out of it.
00:03:58Did anybody have a chance to consider these four questions and kind of think about them
00:04:05as you were reading?
00:04:07Well, I did write some thoughts down before I read your questions when I read it earlier
00:04:14this week.
00:04:15So I felt like verses one through six were kind of stating that keeping the Torah is
00:04:24not just tick boxing.
00:04:26It's something that you do with your heart.
00:04:30It's a heart matter and that Yahweh will give you better understanding of the Torah
00:04:38as you walk it out, as you live it.
00:04:42And so you learn to treasure it more because it says that if you call out for insight and
00:04:52raise your voice of understanding, if you seek it like silver, that he'll give it to
00:04:58you.
00:04:59So that was my thoughts on one through six.
00:05:04Myself, just like I'm sure all of you guys do, I just write in the borders of the Bible
00:05:09and I have wisdom, not necessarily equals, but I guess, yeah, wisdom equals the fear
00:05:16of Yah, equals knowledge.
00:05:18And then it goes to understanding.
00:05:20And I think when I do my prayers, I think I say, you know, Father, please give me wisdom,
00:05:24knowledge and understanding, because I think that's kind of the pattern of how it goes.
00:05:31I also have written here, and I'm assuming that I was reading Job and looking at Job
00:05:4028, 28, remind me, remind me of Proverbs.
00:05:44Now, if I remember, correct me if I'm wrong, anybody.
00:05:46But I think Job is considered like the oldest book in the Bible, right?
00:05:53And so I'm assuming that Solomon was reading Job at some point.
00:06:01And as I was reading Job, who knows when, it's my favorite book, but I have my I have
00:06:08my battles with it.
00:06:09And Job 28, 28 says, and he said to man, behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom and
00:06:19to turn away from evil is understanding.
00:06:22So I'm sure that, you know, Solomon read that many times and he just grabbed from that and
00:06:30then expanded it to the rest of the Proverbs.
00:06:33That's that's wisdom.
00:06:35Wisdom is the fear of Yah.
00:06:37And, you know, we gain understanding when we understand that his instructions are there
00:06:43for, you know, blessings.
00:06:45And if we don't do them, then they're there for curses.
00:06:49And once we understand that, then, you know, that's when we get the whole package.
00:06:58Yeah, Job is kind of a funny book, and the story is certainly older than than all of
00:07:05the other writings in the Bible, but apparently the Hebrew reads as if someone from like
00:07:13the sixth or seventh century was writing in an older style.
00:07:17So I suspect and I think that a lot of more conservative scholars believe that Job was
00:07:23an oral tradition that that that was then written down later.
00:07:27But Solomon definitely would have been aware of it.
00:07:31All right, so the common thread seems to be that the gaining of wisdom is a progressive
00:07:39kind of thing, that God doesn't just zap you with a lightning bolt and all of a sudden
00:07:44you're wise as Solomon.
00:07:46That's not even what happened with Solomon.
00:07:48It was a long process of, you know, searching out and walking out the wisdom that he had
00:07:55learned in order to learn more wisdom.
00:07:57And I think that all wisdom is kind of in a a continuum or a spectrum.
00:08:03There there's no complete wise man, nobody out there who has total wisdom and nobody
00:08:09who is a total unadulterated fool.
00:08:12You know, everybody has some kind of wisdom and some kind of foolishness still in them
00:08:17to be worked out, and it is a process of working it out.
00:08:21Lots of trial and error along the way.
00:08:24These first these first few verses, I think it's verses one through eight that are kind
00:08:31of a block. It's really one through one through four and then five and six and seven
00:08:36and eight. I think those are all kind of.
00:08:39Locked together, but one through eight is a.
00:08:44Kind of an entire thought.
00:08:47And it kind of describes this process, the progression of.
00:08:53Somebody who is willing to to learn wisdom to somebody who has learned wisdom.
00:08:59And it begins.
00:09:01With in in verse one.
00:09:05Where the person, you know, whoever Solomon is talking about here, he is listening.
00:09:11We pull up my scriptures, my Bible so I can see it says, if my son, if you receive my
00:09:16words. So that's really just reception.
00:09:20The son is willing to hear what father has to say.
00:09:24And then he says, treasure up and treasure up my commandments or my instructions within
00:09:28you. So it begins with just being willing to listen and then he's actually
00:09:33internalizing what has been told to him.
00:09:36So it's an active reception.
00:09:39And then in verse two, making your ear attentive.
00:09:42So that's like not just hearing, but really paying attention, really trying to
00:09:47understand what's being told to you, inclining your heart to understanding.
00:09:51So not just trying to.
00:09:55Trying to understand the words, but to really understand the intent and implanted
00:10:00inside of you to internalize it.
00:10:02And then in verse three, it goes to if you call out for insight.
00:10:07Like the son has been demonstrated a willingness to hear and then he's really trying
00:10:12to hear it and understand it.
00:10:16And then increasing like.
00:10:18This this this flowed so much better in my head.
00:10:23Each one of these steps is more intensive from passive listening
00:10:28to an active listening, a deliberate internalization of the commandments or the
00:10:34instructions, then making your ear attentive to wisdom.
00:10:38So not just hearing what is being said, but listening to what's behind being said or
00:10:44looking for more things to hear rather than just being what's being offered.
00:10:49And then inclining your heart to understanding.
00:10:51This is really trying to understand all of the sources of wisdom that are coming to
00:10:56you. And then in verse three, calling out for insight, it's like asking for more, not
00:11:01just passively receiving anymore, but asking for more knowledge, more understanding.
00:11:07And then in the next part of verse three, raise your voice for wisdom.
00:11:11And then in the next part of verse three, raise your voice for understanding.
00:11:15So first you kind of ask and then it's like, no more.
00:11:20And in verse four, you seek it like silver in the Hebrew word for seek here.
00:11:26We switch over to my concordance.
00:11:29But gosh, and this is the same word used generally when somebody is just keeping an eye
00:11:37out for something like when when Jacob sent Joseph out to find his brothers in the
00:11:43field, just when Joseph is walking along the road.
00:11:47And this is the word that's used to describe what he's doing.
00:11:51He knows generally where the brothers are.
00:11:52He's not hunting for them.
00:11:54He's just walking along, looking around like, I know they're around here somewhere.
00:11:59So it's. It's an active search, but it's not intensive.
00:12:03And then finally, at the end of verse four, search for it as for hidden treasure in the word
00:12:08here, her search is.
00:12:12Like turning over every stone, not going to rest until I find it.
00:12:18So the son has gone from being willing to hear, to actively hearing and then to
00:12:23internalizing, asking for more, demanding more, looking for.
00:12:30More thing, more sources of wisdom along the road until finally he is actively searching and
00:12:36hunting it down. And only after this.
00:12:41Does.
00:12:43Does he then get understanding of the fear of Yahweh and find knowledge of God?
00:12:49This phrase knowledge of God is a little curious.
00:12:52I mean, in context, it's pretty clear what it means.
00:12:56Kind of. Is it knowledge of God or is it God's knowledge like knowledge that belongs to
00:13:02God? And it's sort of both.
00:13:04It is knowledge that is given by God, just like you, you, you will never get true wisdom on
00:13:11your own. You can't go on a mountaintop and look inside of yourself to find wisdom.
00:13:16This only comes from God.
00:13:19But wisdom only comes from having a knowledge of God.
00:13:23And since God is incomprehensible, he is infinite.
00:13:26There is no way that you can really understand God unless he reveals himself.
00:13:30So it is both knowledge of God and knowledge of God.
00:13:35If that makes sense.
00:13:39There are four main ingredients of wisdom.
00:13:43Or participants, if you if you will, you and God are the participants, really, and then
00:13:48hearing and action, these are all described in this first part of Proverbs two.
00:13:53Where the student is the one hearing, he's being receptive to it.
00:13:59But what he hears isn't just what his father is telling him, it has to be the wisdom of
00:14:04God relayed through his father.
00:14:07And then after you have heard the instructions, internalized it, diligently sought out
00:14:12understanding, only then do you begin to understand the fear of Yahweh and find knowledge
00:14:17of God. And of course, it's knowledge of God that begets a fear of God.
00:14:21If you don't understand him, you won't fear him.
00:14:24And if you do understand him, of course, you will fear him.
00:14:28And once you have that understanding and knowledge, you finally get wisdom, because as
00:14:34we you know, from chapter one, I think it's one seven, the fear of the Lord is the
00:14:39beginning of knowledge.
00:14:41It doesn't say the beginning of wisdom.
00:14:43It says the beginning of knowledge.
00:14:44So when you begin finally to understand God.
00:14:48Then you begin to fear him.
00:14:50And when you fear him, you respect him and you will pay more attention to what he's
00:14:54saying, because to not listen to God is dangerous.
00:14:59Everything he says is important.
00:15:02And then when you finally hear God's voice and put his instructions into practice, like
00:15:07what Randy was saying, that's when you finally learn wisdom by putting that knowledge
00:15:13into practice and wisdom.
00:15:16I don't know if you saw that quote that I had.
00:15:20At the on the first thing, wisdom is the righteous application of true knowledge.
00:15:26I don't know if you're familiar with Vati Bakam.
00:15:29He's a Christian pastor, Calvinist, so I mean, I don't believe that I don't agree with
00:15:35everything he says, but he is a really good teacher and he's got a lot of great things to
00:15:39say, and I thought he put this really well that you can gain all the knowledge in the
00:15:43world, but if you don't put it into practice, you'll never really learn wisdom.
00:15:48And it has to be true knowledge, true knowledge that comes from God, because you can
00:15:53learn all about the natural world and still never really attain true wisdom because
00:15:59it's all it's all interpreted through your own reasoning, through your own mind, which
00:16:04is flawed.
00:16:06One of those questions was.
00:16:09This chapter gives a process for under for learning wisdom, and we just talked about
00:16:15that, and then it gives three benefits for what do you get out of learning wisdom?
00:16:21What is the point?
00:16:22And God doesn't give us knowledge or wisdom just to be kept to ourselves.
00:16:27There's a purpose for it.
00:16:28Everything that God gives us, he gives for us to use and wisdom is no exception.
00:16:34So here's how I kind of divided up the chapter.
00:16:38In verses nine to 15.
00:16:41It's talking about how gaining understanding, which is essentially the same as wisdom,
00:16:47understanding of God's creation and of God and how we relate to each other.
00:16:52Understanding keeps you from the ways of evil, the ways of evil men specifically.
00:16:58In verses 16 through 19, it talks about how understanding will help you to understand
00:17:03evil. Understanding will help you avoid and resist temptation.
00:17:07And in this case, it's specifically talking about the temptation of the adulterous.
00:17:11And finally, in verses 20 to 22, it says that an understanding will lead you to doing
00:17:17good and living according to righteousness, which then gives you.
00:17:21More prosperity, more security in the land, but the security and the prosperity aren't
00:17:27the main purpose, the purpose of the wisdom is to live more righteously, to do good as
00:17:32opposed to doing evil or giving in to other people's evil.
00:17:38So let's take a look at some of these specific verses here.
00:17:45In 9 to 15, what are righteousness, justice and equity in verse nine?
00:17:54Then you will understand righteousness and justice and equity, every good path.
00:17:59Anybody have a chance to look up some of these words and figure out what they mean in a
00:18:03biblical context?
00:18:05The ISR reads, then you would understand righteousness and right rulings and
00:18:12straightness, every good path.
00:18:15So. That kind of explains it a little bit more straightness, which, you know, right
00:18:22rulings, which are also Yahweh's laws.
00:18:25Right. Yeah.
00:18:26All through scripture, the concept of justice is tied to God's instructions.
00:18:32There is no justice outside of the commandments that God gave.
00:18:36And so I think the Hebrew word here might actually be Mishpatim, let me check.
00:18:44Verse nine, judgment, yes, Mishpatim or Mishpat or singular, which are judgments.
00:18:53These are when you evaluate.
00:18:56A circumstance in light of God's law, you judge it right or wrong, here's how you
00:19:03behave in this situation, here's what you shouldn't do, that's what justice means.
00:19:08It doesn't mean what the world thinks of as justice, I mean, obviously there's going to
00:19:11be some overlap because we are, you know, we're all God's creatures and we have at
00:19:17least a basis of understanding of God's law inside of us at some level.
00:19:24And righteousness is, again, centered on obedience to God's commandments.
00:19:28Righteousness is the obedience to the commandments.
00:19:31Justice is the determination of what is right and wrong in any given circumstance
00:19:37within, in the light of God's commandments.
00:19:40And finally, equity.
00:19:42Hebrew is evenness, so I mean, straightness is a reasonable translation.
00:19:51I think it's, it doesn't really get to the point of what it's trying to say.
00:19:56A lot of times when people talk about equity, they mean making everything the
00:20:00same, so that if Joe puts in a bunch of effort or he's smarter and able to get
00:20:08better grades and somebody else maybe works hard, but isn't as smart, so it
00:20:14doesn't get as good of grades, well, equity means they would both get the
00:20:16same grade at the end, that's not what's happening here.
00:20:20Equity in this case, this is all in the context of God's commandments.
00:20:24So equity is the equal application of God's law.
00:20:28A rich person or a famous or well-known person or a well-liked person doesn't
00:20:35get any kind of favoritism in God's law.
00:20:39Everybody pays the same census tax.
00:20:42Everybody brings the same sacrifice with a few exceptions like the king
00:20:46or a high priest, something like that.
00:20:48Everybody has the same requirements for witnesses against them.
00:20:52Everybody has the chance to defend themselves.
00:20:55Everybody has the right to a public trial in the location or in their
00:21:01community, unless the community doesn't understand, can't figure out the
00:21:06justice or the mishpatim in this case.
00:21:10Heidi, you got your hand up?
00:21:12I do.
00:21:13Isn't that fun that I get to raise my hand in class?
00:21:15You're lucky I saw that though.
00:21:16Kind of hard to see that tiny little hand.
00:21:19Well, I didn't want to interrupt you.
00:21:22What I think is interesting is that the flow from righteousness to judgment to
00:21:31equity is that the righteousness is sort of the what to do, the doing of what is
00:21:38right.
00:21:38I think of the word Zadak, which is like a Zadaka or Zadakin, which is in
00:21:43Hebrew is a righteous man.
00:21:44But then justice is that legal application, right?
00:21:50So you have righteous men doing government type behaviors, but instead of it being
00:21:56according to every man in his own eyes, then it has to be with that equity, which
00:22:00as you said, with Torah, God's commands being the, that's the even ground.
00:22:05That's the straight line that everything else gets measured up against.
00:22:09I just thought it was an interesting, I don't know, I don't know if it's
00:22:13I just thought it was an interesting linguistic flow of one to the other in
00:22:17the meanings of those words.
00:22:19Yeah, it is.
00:22:20And I'm sure that it was laid out that way on purpose for that very reason.
00:22:26You obey the commandments and then you're able to apply them and then you are able
00:22:34to be the judge in the, you know, as you learn more wisdom, you can also progress
00:22:38from one role to the next.
00:22:40First, you're simply somebody who obeys it.
00:22:42Then you're somebody who is able to understand the law and maybe be an advisor
00:22:48or one of the witnesses at a trial.
00:22:51And then finally, you are the one who is able to make the determination and apply
00:22:55the law and make rulings.
00:22:57I mean, technically the Mishpatim really means ruling.
00:23:01So the concept may be a little bit fuzzy in English.
00:23:04I don't know.
00:23:06But yeah, I think that that's a good observation.
00:23:09Verse 10, wisdom will come into your heart and knowledge will be pleasant to your
00:23:13soul. Wisdom will come into your heart.
00:23:16What does that say to anybody?
00:23:18I mean, what's the difference between what I talked about earlier, you know,
00:23:25inclining your heart to understanding?
00:23:27What is the difference between that, you know, deliberate internalization and this
00:23:36later concept in verse 10 of wisdom will come into your heart?
00:23:41I put down to love discipline.
00:23:45Like the knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
00:23:50Yeah, I think that loving discipline, well, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul.
00:23:55I think that's really a side effect of the wisdom coming into your heart.
00:23:59I think the real difference between these two ideas is that the first one is you
00:24:05working at it.
00:24:06You know, you're the one who is inclining your heart to wisdom up in verse two.
00:24:12Or you're inclining your heart to understanding.
00:24:15But then in verse 10, wisdom will come into your heart.
00:24:17This is something that is happening to you rather than something you are doing yourself.
00:24:21So this is God working in you, the Holy Spirit working to build wisdom in your life.
00:24:27And the result of that is that knowledge becomes pleasant to your soul, that you learn
00:24:33to love discipline.
00:24:35And then you find yourself in the place where David was writing Psalm 119 and how he could
00:24:41say over and over and over again how much he loves God's law and still not get tired of it.
00:24:48Will it be wrong to say to replace wisdom with instead of like right there when it says for
00:24:55wisdom will come into your heart, can you say for the fear of the Lord will come into your heart
00:25:01and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul?
00:25:02Can you replace one for the other?
00:25:04Would that be accurate to do?
00:25:07I don't think so.
00:25:08I think that the fear of the Lord is something that comes before wisdom.
00:25:12That you can't really have wisdom until you have a fear of the Lord.
00:25:17But the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge about God.
00:25:21You know, when Proverbs 1 7 says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.
00:25:26What it really means is that it's the beginning of divine knowledge or an
00:25:30understanding of God.
00:25:32But that's the very first step.
00:25:35Even a little child should be able to think about a God who is able to create the entire
00:25:40universe just by speaking and have that pang of fear like I don't ever want to upset that God.
00:25:48Because if he can just say something and I pop into existence,
00:25:53what happens if he's upset with me?
00:25:55Can he say something and I pop out of existence?
00:25:57I mean, that's not the way that God works, but he has that power.
00:26:00He can if he wants to.
00:26:02But you can't really understand or begin to understand God until you get past that threshold.
00:26:09People are always trying to make God in their own image when it's really the other way around.
00:26:15They squeeze God into this box and they say things like,
00:26:19you know, I can't believe in a God who would do this or do that.
00:26:22Like, well, God exists whether you believe in him or not.
00:26:25So your beliefs are irrelevant.
00:26:28What you need to wrap your head around is that
00:26:32God does these things and he's got a good reason that you don't understand.
00:26:36And you probably never will.
00:26:38So just accept that he's bigger and badder than you are.
00:26:41And then once you get past that, then you can really understand God
00:26:44and your heart will be more open for him to put wisdom into it.
00:26:49Right.
00:26:49But I think that one of the things that I,
00:26:52the way I try to understand my relationship with God,
00:26:55and I think this is kind of easier if you've had a good relationship with your earthly father,
00:27:02is that I think if you say, you know, fear the Lord and you hear it,
00:27:06it has like bad connotations to people that don't have understanding, right?
00:27:11Oh, you know, fear God.
00:27:13Like, I thought God was love and all this other bumper sticker stuff, right?
00:27:17But in reality, it's like I think about, you know,
00:27:20my dad since I've had a pretty good relationship with him all my life.
00:27:25And, you know, he's a quiet man.
00:27:26He doesn't talk too much.
00:27:28But, you know, when I was a kid, I truly did fear and love the man at the same time.
00:27:34You know, I feared him because I didn't want his punishment upon me, you know,
00:27:39not following his instructions, you know.
00:27:41But, you know, with time and building relationships with him, right?
00:27:45I understood that, you know, that fear that he put upon me
00:27:50through his words, instructions, or, you know, other acts.
00:27:55In reality, it was because he loved me, right?
00:27:58So now when I see him, you know, there's still fear, I guess, to an extent,
00:28:05but it's not, obviously, you know, I'm older now and stuff like that.
00:28:08But there's still that, there's not that fear has turned into love.
00:28:16Because I know that he did all those things because he loved me.
00:28:19So when I, when I think about my relationship with God,
00:28:23I think about my relationship with a good earthly father.
00:28:27In today's environment, it's really hard for people to understand that concept because,
00:28:33you know, there's so many, you know, single parents out there.
00:28:37They don't understand what that's like.
00:28:39Yeah, especially fatherless homes.
00:28:44That is a huge problem for people in their relationship with God.
00:28:49In a lot of cases, the state or the school or something like that
00:28:54kind of takes over that place of the father.
00:28:57And they do a terrible job of it because the father should be right there with you.
00:29:02And when you're a little child, and, you know, your father is big and strong,
00:29:09and even scary to an extent, but you know that he loves you.
00:29:13And so that even though he could hurt you, he doesn't.
00:29:17He's gentle.
00:29:20Maybe you're familiar with the concept of dad voice.
00:29:23It's kind of something jokingly.
00:29:26I don't know if other people use that term or not, but Paula used it jokingly.
00:29:33Sometimes when I had to correct my son, if he wasn't paying attention,
00:29:37I had to switch over to dad voice.
00:29:39And, you know, I can talk normally and all of a sudden it's like I've got a bullhorn.
00:29:45And you can see him jump and the tears would start welling,
00:29:49but he wouldn't run away from me.
00:29:51If anything, he would run towards me because he knows that the whole point of the dad voice
00:29:56isn't to harm him or make him terrified.
00:30:00It's to get his attention, to bring him back to me
00:30:02so that he will listen to what I have to say to him.
00:30:05And my dad had the same thing.
00:30:07And I don't know if I learned it from him.
00:30:09I don't know where I picked that up.
00:30:10That's just a common thing that all dads do.
00:30:14But it is kind of well, it was kind of a joke around here.
00:30:16My son has moved out.
00:30:17So we're kind of empty nesters now.
00:30:20Well, I was just I was just kind of looking over that verse.
00:30:23And, you know, I feel like I'm on a theme tonight and I might not get off of it.
00:30:29But so many times in Hebrew when they talk about things holistically,
00:30:34we're very linear in our great question mentality.
00:30:38Every A goes to B goes to C.
00:30:40And a lot of times Eastern thought is much more circular.
00:30:44But wisdom, you know, being I heard the definition for wisdom once
00:30:49of being the capacity to know the right thing to do.
00:30:53So it's it's having good judgment, right?
00:30:56It's we've turned it into this esoteric idea that tends to become so mystical
00:31:02that nobody can really know what's right, which, you know, obviously deals with
00:31:07the elimination of absolutes and stuff.
00:31:10But if you know if you know what is right,
00:31:13if that knowledge of what is right comes into your heart,
00:31:15then the word knowledge is Yadah, which is like, aha, like that.
00:31:19But it also implies it's an experiential knowledge.
00:31:22It is something that you have seen and felt and touched and that that
00:31:27is pleasant to your soul or your nafesh or your breath.
00:31:32Or often your soul is considered the seed of your emotions.
00:31:35And so knowing what is right and experiencing what is right,
00:31:39doing what is right will make your soul happy.
00:31:44And that isn't that is absolutely true, because we know that I know that more often
00:31:49because of the other side that when I don't do the right thing
00:31:51and experience the consequences, it doesn't feel good.
00:31:55So that was just that was all I have for that.
00:32:00Yeah, well, I think the rest of this chapter bears that out pretty well.
00:32:04The second part, the verses 9 through 15, where it's talking about understanding
00:32:11will keep you from the ways of the wicked or the ways of evil men.
00:32:16One of the benefits of that is that see if I can find the right verse.
00:32:24Understanding will guard you.
00:32:28Men whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their ways.
00:32:32Yeah, it doesn't really make it explicit there.
00:32:34But what happens to people who are crooked in their paths and devious in their ways?
00:32:40Eventually, they run afoul of the law.
00:32:42And then it's back to the to the judgment and equity.
00:32:47They're going to be judged by the law that they ignored.
00:32:50And then in the next part, we're talking about the adulteress.
00:32:55It says, for her house sinks down to death and her paths to the departed.
00:32:59In one sense, that's literally true because the penalty for adultery is death in God's law.
00:33:06But it's also true that her house sinks down to death
00:33:10because her behavior will sabotage her own house.
00:33:15She can destroy her relationships,
00:33:17eventually destroy her own security.
00:33:20Even if her husband doesn't want to prosecute her and have her stoned to death,
00:33:26it's still going to destroy her relationship.
00:33:28And she will lose her security because of it.
00:33:33And in the last part, she will walk in the way of the good
00:33:36and keep the paths of the righteous.
00:33:39For the upright will inhabit the land and those with integrity will remain in it.
00:33:44You know, it's not 100% certain thing that if you live according to God's commandments,
00:33:50you will live a long and happy, prosperous life.
00:33:54That's not really the way that it works.
00:33:56But you will live a longer and happier and more prosperous life.
00:34:01There was a teaching I was listening to earlier today,
00:34:05and I'm not really familiar with the teacher.
00:34:10So I'm not going to give his name right now
00:34:13because I can't really verify that he's a great guy.
00:34:17But I thought he put this really well.
00:34:19People who live by their feelings have wonderful days and horrible lives,
00:34:23while people who live by wisdom have hard days and wonderful lives.
00:34:31That is the benefit of incorporating wisdom and God's standards of behavior into your life,
00:34:39is that it will make your choices harder.
00:34:41It will make things more difficult for you.
00:34:44It's always harder to win by following the rules than by cheating.
00:34:49But in the end, the end result will be more positive.
00:34:54You'll get to pass go more often.
00:34:57Discretion will watch over you.
00:35:00I'm not going to go through every single verse in every word in here
00:35:02because we just don't have time.
00:35:05But I think there are some phrases and things that kind of stand out
00:35:08and might be more interesting to talk about.
00:35:12Some of this might be obvious, but might not be obvious to everybody.
00:35:18So what is this phrase?
00:35:19Discretion will watch over you.
00:35:21What does that mean?
00:35:24It's pretty much the same in every translation too.
00:35:28Isn't discretion, wouldn't that be the same thing as just being cautious?
00:35:35Usually, yeah.
00:35:35Like making sure you look before you leap.
00:35:39Right.
00:35:40Yeah.
00:35:41The Septuagint has it as good counsel will guard you.
00:35:45But again, that's kind of the same thing.
00:35:47Whereas discretion, we usually think of it as my own personal good sense.
00:35:53Whereas good counsel is the good sense of other people.
00:35:57But those are both aspects.
00:35:59I mean, those are both ways that we can gain some discretion on a situation.
00:36:03Understanding will guard you, delivering you from the way of evil,
00:36:07for men of perverted speech.
00:36:11Perverted speech.
00:36:11What do you think that means?
00:36:15Any type of speech that tries to lead you away from the right rulings in the Torah of Yahweh.
00:36:26Yeah, I think that's reasonable.
00:36:27I think that's reasonable.
00:36:31This also comes, I think, another sentiment to this to twist, right?
00:36:36This twist, you know, the word of Yah, I guess.
00:36:42I'm assuming the word of Yah to something else that it's not.
00:36:47Because I think that, you know, we see that in,
00:36:50you know, I think we've all experienced that at some point where you hear,
00:36:54especially now that we know better, you hear, you know, so-called teachers.
00:37:01And you hear the way they twist the word.
00:37:04And when you twist the word, you know, at least perversion.
00:37:08And back to, you know, now we're in grace.
00:37:14You know, now we live in grace now.
00:37:16And people take that grace for granted.
00:37:19And just, you know, go out and do, you know, more liberal things, I guess.
00:37:25Yeah, perversions of the truth.
00:37:27Like, yeah, teachers who will twist it, but take it out of context.
00:37:31Yeah.
00:37:31And they know what the truth is.
00:37:33They can read it.
00:37:34But either they don't understand it because they don't believe all of God's word.
00:37:41Or their consciences are seared because they have kept making choices contrary to what
00:37:49they knew was right.
00:37:50And so they can no longer tell.
00:37:52Or because they are deliberately trying to deceive people.
00:37:55Those are all true.
00:37:56But everybody at some level knows what's right.
00:37:59And it takes, just as it takes practice learning wisdom,
00:38:03it takes practice to really become perverse too.
00:38:06I mean, it's much more natural.
00:38:08We're much better at it.
00:38:09It comes easier.
00:38:12But, you know, we all have a conscience.
00:38:14And we can't, you can't keep making, you can't keep telling lies and keep,
00:38:22distorting the truth while you still have a conscience.
00:38:26Because eventually it, it hurts you.
00:38:29But if you do keep doing it, eventually you deaden that
00:38:32conscience so that you don't, can't hear it anymore.
00:38:35This next verse, you know,
00:38:38from men of perverted speech who forsake the paths of uprightness.
00:38:42The implication is that they know where the paths are.
00:38:46And they are refusing to take them.
00:38:47Either they were on them once and departed from them.
00:38:51Or they can see it and they are simply refusing to walk it.
00:38:56We all have that opportunity to see where the path is and take it.
00:39:02The people who rejoice in doing evil and delight in the perverseness of evil.
00:39:05We see that all the time.
00:39:09I think this men who, whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their ways.
00:39:12I think that gets to the same idea as the, the perversity of speech and thought.
00:39:21All right.
00:39:22So then we get into the, the forbidden woman or this, this strange woman,
00:39:26I think is what King James calls it, the strange woman.
00:39:31And really what that means is that the woman who is not in your house,
00:39:35the woman who is in somebody else's house.
00:39:38And since he's talking to, this was explicitly addressed to young men.
00:39:43It's easy to see why this would be a major concern.
00:39:48This is always a concern.
00:39:50People haven't changed that much.
00:39:53I've heard a lot of stories over the last couple of years of
00:39:59men who appeared to be men of God who fell into one compromising situation or another,
00:40:05whether because they sought it out or because they simply were weak at an inopportune moment
00:40:15or opportune moment, depending on whose perspective.
00:40:19Well, when I read also about the adulterous woman,
00:40:24it makes me think of also come out of her, my people, Babylon,
00:40:29the adulterous woman that's mentioned in Revelation.
00:40:33So it could actually be not only an actual adulterous woman,
00:40:39but a stronger or deeper level would be if we dabble in
00:40:49false religions.
00:40:51I'm trying to use my words here because I don't know where everybody is.
00:40:58But it's just like, well, come out of her and from the false religions of the world
00:41:08and stuff like that.
00:41:09That's called an adulterous woman.
00:41:12Yeah, I think that's a really good thought.
00:41:14You know, this follow up part here from the adulterous with her smooth words,
00:41:20that could be thought of as the ear tickling teachings,
00:41:25the teachings that we love to hear, but aren't necessarily true.
00:41:31And in that case, it's really the same as the men of perverse speech.
00:41:35It's the same problem.
00:41:36Just what is the aim of the perverse speech?
00:41:39In one case, it may be to tempt you into doing something wrong.
00:41:44And in the other case, it may be flattering something that you want to hear
00:41:49that seduces you away.
00:41:52So for me as a woman, I'm not going to be running to an adulterous woman
00:41:58on the physical level, but in the spiritual or other areas,
00:42:03I don't need to be listening like you're saying to tickling ears,
00:42:06false doctrines, stuff like that.
00:42:08That is how I get away from the adulterous woman.
00:42:12That's just my thought.
00:42:14Good, thank you.
00:42:16Brian and I had an interesting conversation about this today.
00:42:20The soft seduction of the adulterous woman.
00:42:23You know, it's very rarely it's, hey, you, let's have adultery.
00:42:27You know, it's a lot more subtle than that.
00:42:30But when it talks about the perverse man and the evil and the crooked paths,
00:42:34I mean, these are all very strong statements
00:42:38whereas when it talks about the adulterous woman,
00:42:40it's obviously the nature of seduction.
00:42:43And that in a very real way, you know, we're talking about that
00:42:47being seduced by heresies, not knowing Torah, not knowing the word.
00:42:51And so, you know, something that sounds almost right
00:42:54becomes very true to you if you don't know the difference.
00:42:58But then on the other side of it, that the perverse man is
00:43:03sort of like relying on governments or men's leadership to define the way you live.
00:43:11So one is the spiritual aspect of it.
00:43:13And then the other is the practical, how do we live each day?
00:43:16And, you know, governments and who do you vote for?
00:43:19And seeing so many people get so wildly polarized in those situations
00:43:25and led astray by that.
00:43:27Recently, we've seen some of that happen.
00:43:30And to me, that was just a really putting it in that context where yes,
00:43:35we're definitely speaking to specific personal moral issues and choices on a daily basis,
00:43:40but also kind of broader in a societal aspect of it.
00:43:46I thought it was interesting.
00:43:50Yeah, it is.
00:43:52You know, another example of the adulterous woman
00:43:57in, you know, applying that to spiritual things is that
00:44:01there are lots of ideas out there that may not in themselves seem like they are
00:44:07sinful or, you know, perverse, but they are distractions,
00:44:13things that seem like really attractive.
00:44:16Like, I'd really like to know more about that.
00:44:19And maybe this one Bible verse that maybe it really means this other thing.
00:44:24And I'm going to be all about that because I think the real secret to understanding God
00:44:31is in this different interpretation of this one verse.
00:44:36And so then you start building up walls between yourself and other believers because
00:44:43other people refuse to see this.
00:44:45And now you've got this almost like secret knowledge,
00:44:49this thing that you understand and nobody else does.
00:44:52And this is a really seductive thing to the human psyche.
00:44:56We all want to feel special.
00:44:58We all want to feel like we know something that other people don't.
00:45:03Actually, further up at the beginning of this chapter,
00:45:06where it talked about the knowledge of God,
00:45:10one of the possible interpretations of that phrase,
00:45:14God's knowledge, like the knowledge that God has,
00:45:18a Gnostic could look at that and say,
00:45:20here's validation for my idea that there is a secret knowledge that God lets us in on.
00:45:28When we pass these barriers, when we get past this door and we're in the inner circle,
00:45:34then God lets us in on these super secret stuff.
00:45:38And now we're extra special.
00:45:40And God likes us more than other people because he's told us these things
00:45:43and kept it from other people.
00:45:45And the really seductive thing about this kind of idea is that at some level, it's kind of true.
00:45:51This whole thing that we've been talking about is God revealing wisdom
00:45:54to those people who are seeking.
00:45:56Because you have accepted the things that God has said and you believe them
00:46:01and you put them into practice in your life,
00:46:03God reveals more of himself and more wisdom about how to live.
00:46:07But these things aren't secret.
00:46:09They're out there for everybody to access.
00:46:11They're out there for everybody to access.
00:46:14And it's not like God will reveal
00:46:18mystical things about himself and the secrets of the universe.
00:46:22I don't know if you've heard of the Akashic Records,
00:46:25one of these occultic ideas that people with a psychic connection to the universe
00:46:30can wave their hands in the air and pull all these threads out of the airs
00:46:34and tell your fortune by listening to the universe.
00:46:38Well, I don't know what they're listening to,
00:46:41but it's certainly not the universe and it's not God.
00:46:45But that's where these kinds of seductive ideas lead to.
00:46:51And so it's important that if you have an interesting interpretation of a scripture
00:46:58that you then seek counsel.
00:47:02Don't throw out all of the scholarship and all of the knowledge
00:47:07that's out there in the rest of the body of Messiah.
00:47:10Ask for people's opinion and take it seriously.
00:47:13Weigh that against the rest of scripture
00:47:15to make sure that it really does fit with what God has revealed in the written word
00:47:19and that it doesn't go contrary to what is plainly written.
00:47:24Because the plain meaning of the text is always primary.
00:47:27These interesting and esoteric readings,
00:47:32possible interpretations,
00:47:34maybe they're true, maybe they're not, but they're always secondary.
00:47:37It's the plain reading that should be primary.
00:47:41And hope I didn't go too far afield there.
00:47:45Did that make sense?
00:47:47Yeah, Jay, I was going to say that something I see that confirms what you're saying
00:47:53about the potential pitfall and resulting pride or arrogance
00:48:00about having a deeper knowledge or a greater knowledge
00:48:04is really addressed right at the very beginning.
00:48:07You actually just scrolled up from it.
00:48:08Let me see if I can get back to it.
00:48:13It's just the very first words are, first of all, my son,
00:48:18which I think kind of shows us our position in the relationship
00:48:24where the source of knowledge is that we are under him.
00:48:29But then it says, if thou receivest my words,
00:48:33to me, that denotes a humility that we have.
00:48:36And I think that's where all of this starts is just with an attitude of humility.
00:48:40And it's only through that that we can avoid that pitfall
00:48:44of being exalted in our own hearts because of what we know.
00:48:50Yeah, that is good.
00:48:52And back to what you were saying about if you're not sure of something,
00:48:55go ask somebody.
00:48:57But obviously, make sure you know who you're asking all these things for, right?
00:49:02Yeah, that is important.
00:49:04When I first started, and you guys have heard me say this before,
00:49:08is that I didn't want commentary from anybody because I didn't trust anybody
00:49:12because I didn't know anybody.
00:49:13I've been lied to my whole time.
00:49:15So I just read the scriptures twice in a row on my own.
00:49:20And then I went back.
00:49:23And then I started looking at see if my understanding was correct.
00:49:27But just like you said, Jay, whatever that person said,
00:49:31I always went back to the scriptures.
00:49:33And make sure that that was correct.
00:49:36But, you know, you have these levels, right?
00:49:39There's some societies have of, you know,
00:49:42you move up to this level, we'll give you a little more wisdom.
00:49:45And like, they're the ones giving you the wisdom and not God.
00:49:48And like you said, it's free there.
00:49:50And verse three, I mean, it says, you know, yes,
00:49:53if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding,
00:49:56well, to me, that sounds like you're praying for it, right?
00:49:59Like praying for it.
00:50:01So what do you pray for God?
00:50:02So you don't need men.
00:50:04In reality, you don't need man.
00:50:07If you're humbled, like Brian said, and you're pure of heart,
00:50:12and you come to him like that, I feel like very confident
00:50:16that there shouldn't be men between you and Yeshua, right?
00:50:22Like he's the one between you and Yah.
00:50:29And that's all you need.
00:50:30But the reality is we're humans, and that's why we belong to a community.
00:50:34So we can have, you know, other leaders and teachers and elders kind of tell us,
00:50:38hey, you know, you're kind of going off the wrong straight in our path.
00:50:42You need to gear back to it, you know.
00:50:44But all you need, it's really to you and God.
00:50:48Yeah, well, I agree to an extent.
00:50:51If you think of somebody like Abraham, he didn't have any scriptures to consult.
00:50:56And he didn't have any.
00:50:58Well, he may have had some teachers.
00:51:00He may have known Seth.
00:51:01And there may have been godly men at some point in his life.
00:51:05But most of the world were idolaters.
00:51:08Abraham was pretty unique.
00:51:10So he had that special relationship where he could speak to God, man to man, so to speak.
00:51:16But it takes a long time to get to that kind of relationship with God.
00:51:20And most people will never be there, no matter how devout or faithful they are.
00:51:25But we do have the scriptures.
00:51:27And one thing that I hear people say is like, why doesn't God speak to me?
00:51:32Like, well, he's been speaking to you for thousands of years.
00:51:35Why aren't you listening?
00:51:37But part of the problem there is that unless you have access to the original manuscripts
00:51:43and can read them, everything that God said is being filtered through men.
00:51:47Because it's impossible to translate something from one language to another
00:51:51without inserting your own beliefs and interpretations into it.
00:51:55No matter how objective you try to be, there are always some judgment calls
00:52:01that have to be made when translating.
00:52:04And I think you can mediate that by consulting multiple translations.
00:52:07Never trust a single translation.
00:52:11Compare and contrast.
00:52:14Find the interpretation or the translation that seems to fit
00:52:17with the overall message of scripture that doesn't contradict the rest.
00:52:22And that fits with the character of God as you come to know it.
00:52:26And of course, the more time you spend with God,
00:52:28more time you spend in the scriptures and in putting God's instructions into practice,
00:52:34the more you are going to understand God's character.
00:52:37Which goes back to this verse five.
00:52:40Then you will understand the fear of Yahweh and find the knowledge of God.
00:52:44That's really talking about understanding God's character.
00:52:48When you understand God's character,
00:52:50then the translators who are behind the specific translation you're reading
00:52:56become less and less important.
00:52:58And it really does become more about you and God
00:53:01instead of the people who are in between.
00:53:04Those people are never mediators.
00:53:05I want to make sure that that's clear.
00:53:07They're just, they are mediating a message,
00:53:11but they are not mediating the relationship.
00:53:14I agree.
00:53:15One thing that I gleaned from Proverbs two,
00:53:22Brian touched on it and Carlos mentioned it,
00:53:25was from the prophet where we are to do justice,
00:53:31love mercy and walk humbly,
00:53:33which then led me to the apostolic scriptures,
00:53:37ask, seek and knock.
00:53:40So if we ask for and do justice,
00:53:44and if we seek for and give mercy and we can humbly walk in.
00:53:51That reminds me of James.
00:53:55James chapter one verses five through eight.
00:53:58You know, if any of you lacks wisdom,
00:53:59let him ask God who gives generously to all without reproach.
00:54:03All right, and it will be given him,
00:54:05but let him ask in faith with no doubting for the one who doubts
00:54:08is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.
00:54:11For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord.
00:54:15He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
00:54:18This is really about the relationship that you have with God
00:54:21and how intent you are on it.
00:54:24And it, I think it really reflects back on those first four verses
00:54:28and how this search, the quest for wisdom has to be intentional.
00:54:33And it's an active process.
00:54:37It's not a passive thing.
00:54:39And if you are passive about it, just accepting things as they come
00:54:43and never, never moving beyond that stage of just being a passive listener.
00:54:49Well, you're going to be listening to things from who knows what sources.
00:54:54You're never going to get to that point where you are,
00:54:57you are crying out for wisdom and God is, you know,
00:55:01where your heart is ready for it.
00:55:05I think that, you know, this is one of those things
00:55:08where so many Christians who maybe they don't,
00:55:12they don't believe that they're supposed to be keeping God's law.
00:55:16So many of them end up keeping most of God's law anyways,
00:55:20because they are sincere.
00:55:21They are very devout in wanting to please God
00:55:23and wanting to, to do what God wants them to do.
00:55:26And so they are, they spend time in prayer
00:55:29and in reading the scriptures and seeking God's wisdom.
00:55:33And God ends up leading them back to his instructions.
00:55:37Even though they've been taught that they're supposed to ignore those things.
00:55:41God honors that, that intent and that,
00:55:43and that, that deliberate searching and trying to learn wisdom.
00:55:49As long as you're humble enough to receive it.
00:55:53I did, there is actually a kind of a promise in this
00:55:56that Yahweh says that he will guard our paths,
00:56:01you know, and which is comforting,
00:56:04which is comforting, you know, again, taking care of his children.
00:56:08And, you know, if you just, you know,
00:56:11for wisdom within your heart and knowledge,
00:56:13be pleasant to your being and that he'll watch over you.
00:56:17You know, oh, I guess that's in verse eight.
00:56:22His loving, committed ones, he guards,
00:56:25or in, you know, guarding the path of justice
00:56:29and watching over the way of his saints.
00:56:32He watches over us.
00:56:33Yeah. With the understanding that that doesn't necessarily mean
00:56:36that he's going to keep you safe
00:56:39if you're walking in a bad neighborhood at midnight.
00:56:42But it does mean that he will, he will guard your paths in righteousness.
00:56:46So that you use discretion.
00:56:51That is an important part of wisdom.
00:56:55Yeah. But if, if you are intent on learning God's instructions
00:56:59and you are actively trying to apply them to your life,
00:57:03then he will lead you into more and more obedience.
00:57:07And I think that's what it means by he's going to guard your paths.
00:57:11As long as you're listening to what he's saying and not what you are saying.
00:57:17It is really easy to, to read our own,
00:57:20our own preconceptions into the scriptures and,
00:57:23and get out of it what we want to get out of it instead of what's actually there.
00:57:29Hey, Jade, do you have any thoughts about the verses 18 and 19,
00:57:36where it, it describes consequences about the strange woman's house
00:57:46and, you know, obviously going there.
00:57:48But it, it seems to be communicating that there's no opportunity for repentance
00:57:55or turning from that.
00:57:57And maybe that has to do with the fact that it says that my version says,
00:58:03inclineth unto death and her paths are unto, unto the dead.
00:58:08So I just thought that was kind of interesting that it,
00:58:12it's actually seems to be a severe final consequence to that.
00:58:17Yeah. I think this, this also goes,
00:58:19pretty sure it's James where he talks about that there's a sin that leads to death.
00:58:22And I think he's talking about these,
00:58:25these sins that God has given the death penalty for and adultery is one of them.
00:58:30So, I mean, literally messing with a married woman or a woman,
00:58:36you know, committing adultery could literally lead to death.
00:58:40And once it gets to that point, you can repent from it, but you're still guilty.
00:58:44There is still a penalty.
00:58:46So that even if you stop that activity,
00:58:49that doesn't mean you're not going to be stoned, right?
00:58:53It just means that, you know, you throw yourself on God's mercy
00:58:58and God will take care of you in the afterlife.
00:59:01But in the here and now, you, you're still going to be before the judge.
00:59:08And of course, sometimes, I mean, still talking about adultery, literally,
00:59:13sometimes there are other consequences, you know, beside legal ones,
00:59:17there can be physical consequences that will lead to death,
00:59:21whether that's in, in disease or broken relationships.
00:59:28They're just a cascade of trouble that can be caused by infidelity like that.
00:59:37I think your comment just confused me.
00:59:39Oh, go ahead, Heidi.
00:59:40I'm sorry.
00:59:41That's okay, Randy.
00:59:42I was just going to say, I think that's interesting.
00:59:45I think that's interesting.
00:59:46We seem to have lost a lot of that coming into Torah after, you know,
00:59:52most of my life in Pentecostal evangelical circles.
00:59:55The idea of forgiveness and grace was always somewhat married, if you will,
01:00:02to the idea that you could always come back to ground zero.
01:00:06And that's actually not biblically accurate.
01:00:09I mean, spiritually, you can be reconciled to a place of right relationship with God,
01:00:14but the consequences are never just dissolved like they didn't go away.
01:00:22At least the corporeal, the temporal consequences of what happens, you know,
01:00:28if you commit adultery and a marriage is destroyed, a church is destroyed.
01:00:32I've seen that happen.
01:00:34A child is born that now has to live without the rest of their life.
01:00:38You know, all of those things.
01:00:39I mean, there's consequences of real life consequences.
01:00:42And since we have, using all these marital terms,
01:00:48we've divorced ourselves from the reality of what is being spoken in texts like this
01:00:53and what is actually being spoken.
01:00:54There's no coming back from this.
01:00:56This is essentially your emotional, your physical Rubicon.
01:01:00You will always and forever be changed from this moment on when you make that decision.
01:01:08That has been, you know, really sobering.
01:01:10I was telling Brian earlier, talking about this, I said, you know,
01:01:16if you don't guard your heart and realize that you as a human being are never above,
01:01:22I'm never above being tempted to sin before the Lord, whatever that sin might be.
01:01:29And all I know is that it takes that one choice,
01:01:32that one compromise that can lead me astray.
01:01:35It doesn't start astray.
01:01:36It leads you there and understanding the consequence,
01:01:41understanding that there is no one, a nun who go to her, come back,
01:01:45nor do they regain the paths of life,
01:01:47that that could very well be the end result of leaving the ways of righteousness.
01:01:52It's a very sobering idea.
01:01:58Another one very similar to adultery is in murder.
01:02:03If you commit a murder, you kill somebody unjustly,
01:02:08you can repent from that and God can forgive you.
01:02:12But that person is still dead.
01:02:14You have still destroyed their family and everybody who depended on them.
01:02:18And as scripture says, the blood of the innocent cries out to God.
01:02:22There is a spiritual consequence on the land and the entire community because of murder.
01:02:30And the only resolution is the death of the murderer.
01:02:34Sometimes, depending on circumstances, the family or somebody could forgive that person
01:02:39and absolve them so that they don't suffer the legal penalties.
01:02:45They're not killed in response.
01:02:47But that leaves that taint on the land.
01:02:50It poisons the land so that as the blood of the innocence builds up,
01:02:55eventually the land spews out the people.
01:02:58And that's why God removed the Canaanites from that land and gave it to Israel instead.
01:03:04Not because the Israelites were so deserving,
01:03:07but because the Canaanites had forfeit their right to the land.
01:03:13They had poisoned it against themselves.
01:03:16And I think that's a really sobering thing for America.
01:03:19We have a lot of innocent blood on our hands and it's not just going to go away.
01:03:25Something has got to break and set those scales back to even keel.
01:03:32I think, Randy, I think you had a question or was that Nancy?
01:03:36I did have a question because I'm kind of confused.
01:03:40While I agree with what you're saying, there is consequences to sin.
01:03:45We are all fallen from the good way.
01:03:49And yet, if one, let's say they commit adultery or they commit murder.
01:03:56Yes, there are consequences.
01:03:58But if you truly are in Teshuvah, there is the blood of Yeshua
01:04:04that pays the penalty for that sin.
01:04:07He died for all.
01:04:09So I guess I'm not hearing you correctly because
01:04:15that is the purpose of Yeshua's blood that was shed.
01:04:19Right. Yeah, his blood can remove the stain of that sin for eternity.
01:04:27So that after you die, you can still be reconciled with God.
01:04:33But up until that point, there is still the justice of mankind,
01:04:37you know, the justice that God has commanded in his law.
01:04:41And, you know, the forgiveness that Yeshua's blood enables
01:04:45doesn't remove the need for that justice.
01:04:48Right. There is supposed to be a justice for your sin.
01:04:52Yes. Right. Or a consequence.
01:04:53Correct. Right.
01:04:55And but that's I just wanted to be sure that I was on the same page.
01:05:00Yeah, I think so.
01:05:01Okay. I mean, I'm not saying that he'll immediately forgive you.
01:05:06No consequences. You can go back.
01:05:07You know, that's the Christianity.
01:05:09That you go back out and do it again.
01:05:12I don't believe in that, you know, that, like you said, at the time of
01:05:18however you believe when you meet Yeshua, his blood does cover the stain of your sin.
01:05:24Right.
01:05:26Yeah, there's always yeah, I've tried to explain this before.
01:05:29And maybe I've done, you know, not a good job of doing before.
01:05:33When I when I sent you guys that that podcast and I was like,
01:05:36well, I think they misunderstood what I was saying.
01:05:39But there's consequences to every action.
01:05:40It's like, you know, you've seen it before, where there's even in, you know, the nation's law,
01:05:48where somebody murders somebody and you see that the guy really or the gal, you know, she was,
01:05:55you know, they feel really bad that they murdered somebody.
01:05:58And it was premeditated, you know, they plan to do.
01:06:02And after it was done, they would they felt really bad.
01:06:04They felt really bad.
01:06:05And you can see it in their tears.
01:06:07And this is after the, you know, the judge said, hey, you know,
01:06:10you're going to spend the next 20 years to life in jail.
01:06:14And they look at, you know, the victim's family and they're crying and sobbing.
01:06:18They feel sorry.
01:06:19And some of them have gone as far as, you know, forgiving them, right?
01:06:25They're given by that person, right?
01:06:27Forgive.
01:06:27So you'd be forgiven.
01:06:28That's great.
01:06:29But that guy still has to spend the rest of his life in jail.
01:06:33Regardless.
01:06:34Now, like we all agree here, I think it's like, yes, Yeshua definitely covers that sin.
01:06:40And in the afterlife and his kingdom, you know, those those will not be remembered anymore.
01:06:47But here on earth, there is that.
01:06:49And the reason why is because he's a just Elohim.
01:06:54So he can't go back.
01:06:56He changes not right.
01:06:57So he can't go back and say, yes, there's punishment for this.
01:07:00But but not really.
01:07:02Right.
01:07:02And that's where the misunderstanding it is of the, you know, the adultery woman.
01:07:06As far as I understand, she was committed adultery.
01:07:09It's just that, you know, there wasn't two witnesses.
01:07:12Right.
01:07:13So when Yeshua gets on his knees and twice, he did it twice.
01:07:17And he was riding on the ground.
01:07:19I think I did a study on this a while back.
01:07:23I remember he my thought and one of them is not original to me.
01:07:29But it's that he probably was writing the law down on the ground of that.
01:07:34You need, you know, you know, you need two witnesses.
01:07:37And, you know, he was writing something like that.
01:07:39But I think the second one was he was writing about some famous woman in the scriptures.
01:07:45And I can't remember right now.
01:07:47And maybe it was writing down her name as well.
01:07:50So to remind everybody that, hey, listen, you know, you need to, you know, but if they
01:07:56would have brought, I know it's hard to to kind of understand, but
01:08:00but if there would have been two witnesses there, she would have gotten stoned.
01:08:05But Carlos, you needed to take her before judge a judge.
01:08:08Yes, there does need to be a full court.
01:08:11No, absolutely.
01:08:12But there was two things that two or three things they did wrong.
01:08:15A, they brought her before Yeshua.
01:08:18There wasn't two or three witnesses, but also Yeshua was not a judge.
01:08:22So he couldn't judge her anyway.
01:08:25That's right.
01:08:25I didn't have the man.
01:08:26Mark, you're right.
01:08:27Yep.
01:08:28They're supposed to be stoned together.
01:08:31Right.
01:08:31But it goes back to the point we're saying, what does he tell her at the end?
01:08:35You know what I mean?
01:08:36Keep her closer.
01:08:37Right.
01:08:37And then it goes back to that.
01:08:39Go and say no more.
01:08:40Yeah, exactly.
01:08:41So, yeah.
01:08:42So I think we're on same understanding.
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