- 5/19/2025
Do you blame Mazzulla's coaching or the play of the players more for the Knicks/Celtics upset? Did Joe get outcoached? Mazzulla: "Ran into a great team"
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00:00asked about whether or not he saw anything different in this Celtics team in this round
00:05of the playoffs as he did prior to and his answer is no they just ran into a better team
00:12he got out coached in this round definitely got out coached I think that um there were things he
00:18probably could have did in the third and fourth quarter of games one and two or just throughout
00:22the whole series whether it was you know trying to get the ball out of Brunson's hands because he
00:27was a he was a destroyer especially in the third and fourth quarter what about the play that he
00:32didn't drop or that they repeated with Tatum yeah I mean that that singular decision if if Tatum hits
00:39the shot you win the game right and it's a totally different series yeah I mean I I definitely I put
00:44blame on his plate but I also put them I put the majority blame on the players plate they had an
00:50opportunity in games one and two up by 20 can't throw the ball in the ocean in the third and fourth
00:56quarter um you were I believe you you show that you could beat this team you win games three and
01:02then you win game and they win game three and five right three and five yeah so you win games three and
01:10five and then game six you don't show up you know your best player at that time who's Jalen Brown
01:16doesn't do anything doesn't put the team on his back Derek White is missing in action I mean
01:21Porzingis had been dealing with the issues all series long so you couldn't really count on him
01:26Drew Holiday wasn't the same Drew Holiday was a no-show what I found interesting was you guys
01:31remember before the playoffs when Missoula I think it might have been on with Big Cat and PMT
01:35about the he doesn't have any memorabilia from the championship in his house yes and I said
01:41if they get eliminated he will cite it immediately and the other night he talked about the champions
01:47right after they lost and it's I mean he's not going to get fired I don't believe um he'll get
01:55fired maybe not next year but the following year when Tatum comes back if he doesn't if he doesn't
02:02have well he's got a built-in excuse for next season I mean right that's why I said probably
02:07not next year it'll probably be the year after that when Tatum is back because next year the excuse
02:13is you're not going to have Tatum and your team who knows what your team looks like you might not
02:18have Tatum and you might not have Jalen Brown depending on what the new ownership does or you
02:23might just have Jalen Brown and one other player so really you know doesn't matter that you because
02:30we talked about this at the beginning of the show if you brought Jalen Brown and everybody else back
02:34do you feel confident that team could make a deep run in the playoffs no I they're going to have to
02:40in some way shape or form eliminate salary yep we should get the people from Odyssey to work there
02:47they're great at that and I mean I would guess that Sam Hauser is probably gone Sam Hauser is making
02:5410 million dollars a year yeah him and Pritch they don't make much it's gonna be Pritch Pritch you keep
03:00because Pritch is a favorable deal right Sam Hauser at 10 million is probably a luxury yeah but it's really
03:08the it's really the main four and how they figure that out based on what all the basketball cap people
03:16tell us it's Porzingis, Holiday, Derek White, and Jalen Brown and Drew has made it clear that he wants to
03:22stay in Boston I mean the way that he talked to media was it yesterday two days ago oh yeah yeah he was
03:28saying you know that this is the where he wants to stay he does not want to go anywhere else yeah but
03:33do you want to pay him 30 million dollars to stay here at you know 35 years old yeah because you're
03:38not going to get actual value for him in return I what I would say is if Wick Grossbeck never came on
03:44the Greg Hill show and said what he said and if Shams didn't say what he said are we having the
03:48conversation about how they need to shed payroll today no so why are we giving them this excuse
03:53because they have plenty of money they just I mean like so why are we saying a team failed to get to
03:59its goal they were eliminated by an inferior team and next year we're saying they should be worse
04:06well because that's what they tell us Wick said you can't live in that second apron for so long
04:12because it's just too much money that did Wick vote yes or no on the CBA um I imagine he voted yes
04:19so he was in favor of this right which means he could pay whatever the taxes to stay there like I just
04:26don't think we should give them an out to say well they they have to it's too expensive they need to
04:31get some money yeah we shouldn't give them an out I don't I agree with you Curtis yeah I don't think
04:34we're giving them an out it's just what everybody else is telling us is going to happen right I
04:38understand that's why they do it I mean it's Wick is not dumb in any capacity and so you begin the
04:44conversation and then you have Shams say it so it's sort of this fait accompli we're like okay well
04:48they have to shed payroll because who wants to pay 500 million dollars for a basketball team
04:53as Queen Jalen Brown simp do you give him an out for Friday night no because what he brings up a good
05:00point uh he played great in game five um I I mean I give him I I was saying during the entire playoffs
05:07that he didn't look like himself he'd have moments of greatness but overall he looked like something was
05:13up and so I I do believe I don't think they made up this injury either I don't think that they're just
05:17saying that as an excuse like I do think he's been dealing with this for for the last two months
05:22this is Eddie in the car hey Eddie hey listen I can't believe Joe Mazzola had the nerve to say
05:29that they ran into a great team ran into a great team they were up by 20 points in games one in game
05:36two okay if their team didn't choke it up the way they did they would still be playing basketball
05:41I mean was he kidding me a great team to Nick wild it is a wild thing to say you choked it away
05:49that's what he should say we choked it away me as a coach hey and me as a coach and the players they
05:55choked it
05:56Wiggy yeah the Celtics won't lose cannot lose in a seven game series to anybody nobody will beat this
06:04team yeah well that was wrong because the Knicks beat them you were wrong yeah I didn't think I had
06:10the gentleman sweep on you know I mean I don't think anybody before the series started picked the
06:16Knicks to win I had Knicks in six can I just say one thing for all the people that defend the Celtics
06:23imminent need to get out of the second apron what is a more punitive measure to the basketball team
06:29getting rid of Drew Holiday Porzingis and Hauser or losing the 25th pick in a draft with one good
06:37player probably the former is better than the latter right so you'd much rather have those guys
06:44and lose the 25th pick or a mid-level exception so what are we talking about why are you punishing
06:50your team more for getting under the cap or the tax as opposed to dealing with whatever the
06:57punitive measures are because the new owner doesn't want to spend six billion on the team and
07:01then have to drop another five exactly but they're going to charge you top of the market to go to the
07:05game and watch it well New Hampshire texter says Curtis acting like paying 20 million dollars on a cap
07:11tax is nothing is absurd oh poor billionaires that buy this as their fun toy like honestly you're
07:19siding with billionaires look at yourself you're driving to work you're sitting in traffic you're taking
07:23care of your family your kids want to go to a game why do you give a damn about a
07:27billionaire's bottom line well I would ask it like if you were the owner of this team
07:31would you pay all that money to run it back knowing Tatum's not gonna be there next year
07:37yeah because you have a better chance of winning next year with those guys than you do of raising
07:42the white flag without your best no no but do you think that you can run it back and win or do you say
07:48okay we have to start planning on how we can put a team around Tatum when he comes back in two years
07:55right I I would be focused on next year and I still think without Tatum you were a better
08:01basketball team than the New York Knicks agreed yeah but you're you're not gonna spend 500 million
08:07and be a first or second round winning basketball team why would you do that you could be what do
08:15you mean so why would you spend 400 million then I mean if we're gonna talk about the actual merits
08:19of spending you don't think that this roster and this is nothing against Jason Tatum let me be
08:25clear to you you don't think that this roster without Jason Tatum is much more talented than
08:28a lot of the teams in the east oh I'm not saying they won't make the playoffs they weren't able to
08:32beat the Knicks because they choked and they had that's not a talent thing that's choked but that says
08:37something about the the character of the individuals that you have on the basketball even better reason to
08:44bring it back and change the messaging yep so if you brought this team back maybe they win a round
08:50or two right and so now you're right now you're they're not winning three rounds now so that means
08:56they get to the conference final now you're 500 million I think it's less crazy for this team to go
09:01next year full speed without Jason Tatum and make it to a finals I think it's less crazy of that
09:07than the Knicks beating the Celtics this season if you were to stop the season speed by the way
09:11Porzingis for 11 minutes a game poor guy
09:15that sucks though like I it's crazy if you are a professional athlete and they can't figure out
09:24how to make you better yeah I mean Al Horford is going to be 90 yeah when uh October rolls around
09:30well I don't know why you would want this team without Tatum next year like I we don't want it
09:35without Tatum but that's what we've been dealt right but so in order to get some assets some pieces to
09:41build your new your new dynasty or potentially your new team it's time to get rid of guys like
09:48Porzingis who can't breathe guys like Drew Holiday so if you trade Porzingis what are you getting in
09:52I I mean I have well you're the one who says trade him I don't what are they getting I don't know you
09:57get you get rid of some of that money and then maybe that money that you then have allows you to
10:02in two years when Tatum comes back to maybe get that third max player if you keep Jalen and Jason
10:09yeah I the way I view it if you can't this offseason as currently constituted the Celtics
10:16are my guess the second favorite to win the East next year not even close they're better than the
10:23Knicks they're better than the Pacers they're not better than they're not going to be going in
10:26they were favored against the Knicks without Tatum that that that was let this year next year going
10:31in knowing that you don't have Tatum there and maybe the Knicks they didn't have Tatum and they
10:36were favored against them but but the but what I'm saying to you is next year you don't know what
10:40the Knicks are going to be but you said there's no chance they're better than the Knicks they won't
10:43according to those that set lines they were yeah they were this year and they were all wrong well
10:49next year if if Porzingis is healthy aren't they we don't but see that we don't know if Porzingis is
10:53going to be out that to me is a better risk to take than trading for five cents on a dollar what
10:57happens if next year Giannis ends up in New York I mean they have great Greek food so so we don't know
11:04going into the season you think Giannis could park at that restaurant without getting towed yeah
11:08Giannis could park wherever he wants especially the Greek yeah when you look we know what the Celtics
11:14will look like next year Jalen Brown Porzingis Drew Holiday Derek White and you're probably starting
11:23Pete Pritch that's just we know that's what it's going to look like Sam Hauser and Cornette
11:28and then Al Horford is probably gone he's going to be a free agent so do you resign him or do you not
11:36but that's what your team is do you feel good about that team I don't I don't either it's just so
11:42foreign to me like growing up all I wanted was my team to win I didn't care about how expensive it
11:47was it's your money of course we don't care but we are we're giving them an out for we got to put
11:53ourselves in their shoes if you're the new owner and you're Chisholm and you spent six billion on
11:59this team and now your payroll plus luxury taxes or whatever penalties is going to 500 million you
12:06got to say can this team get me a championship if I'm going to pay right he ran this is the other
12:11thing like when somebody runs for president and they bitch about how tough the job is well you wanted
12:15it like you were one of many people that was in hot pursuit of buying this team yeah and now you
12:22have the team you're like whoa what look at this unmanageable roster I inherited you bought it like
12:27you knew exactly what the book said and you spent six billion to get the team yeah but I'm supposed
12:32to fear your bottom line but it's also a results business and the result was not good right I would
12:38start with the coach that is where I would go first it doesn't have to be an apron no apron
12:42whatever that doesn't impact the tax I think Joe Mazzula is in over his head all right so you
12:48start without Jason Tatum in general I just without Tatum to bail in two of three years as head coach
12:53of this team he's lost to an inferior team in the eastern conference playoffs he lost to the heat
12:58Celtics much better team than the heat he lost the Knicks the Celtics a better team than the Knicks
13:02no just simple factual statements yeah oh yeah but I I also look and go if you're the new owner
13:10you have no arena so that's more money coming out of your pocket I think he knew that when he bought
13:16no I think he did but he didn't know that he'd be without Jason Tatum right he probably thought
13:21because I would say to you if this team is Jason Tatum Jalen Brown and the rest of the guys all right
13:27roll the dice and run it back and if I'm Chisholm maybe then he can focus on a better coach if you
13:32think Joe Mazzula is an issue and if I'm Chisholm I'd say no problem at all but once you lose Jason Tatum
13:38and you go well this is what I'm coming back to why am I gonna pay the 500 million dollars right
13:46for a result that's gonna be very similar to what it was this season right do you think it's like
13:51express like you could return the Celtics like this isn't what he wanted I think you have 30 days
13:56this is the last
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