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Brian Schatz Grills Transportation Secretary Duffy On Timeline Of Reviews For Paused Grants
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5/16/2025
During a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing on Thursday, Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI) questioned Secretary Sean Duffy about the timeline for reviewing paused DoT grants.
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Senator Schatz. Thank you, Secretary. Thank you, Chair and Vice Chair and to the
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Lilly family. Thank you for your presence and I'm sorry for your loss. I want to
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follow up on the the 3,200 or so grants frozen. I understand that if the if the
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grant had if the award has been made and the money has been obligated that you're
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not freezing those dollars. You are pausing for review. I'm trying to get the
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terminology right. Post-announcement pre-obligation to kind of pull out those
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things that you consider to be extraneous to transportation. Am I
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characterizing that about right? There's no freeze but yes we're
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pausing for review. I'm not pausing with this so what it to kind of to kind of
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sure so what I'm doing is as I'm as I'm crafting the grant agreement some of the
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language that was required in the NOFO it's easy we just don't put it in the
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grant agreement so it's not it's not a pause it's it's not a freeze it's just
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we've taken the language out for the grant agreement. Sure good news bad news right
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you're characterizing this as easy not terribly controversial it's a new
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administration you are within your rights to modify grant criteria certainly
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before the money is obligated I understand all that the problem is time
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right we are we are about four months into this or a little less than four
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months into this and there are a bunch of things that are just like plainly not
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climate right evacuation routes like hillside stabilization and so my my more
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basic question is I know you care about metrics I know your team is trying to
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metabolize all of these what what's the throughput capacity of the department to
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get these 3200 grants reviewed and obligated and out are you is it 300 a
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month I would excuse me 300 a week is it do you think you're gonna be done by June
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what's the time frame because that it's a little bit of a black box this is
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information this hearings useful because it gives us some reassurance that you
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know they're not actually stopped but I think it's fair for our state
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departments of transportation to kind of know it's gonna be June before it's done
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it's gonna be next week it could be later this year what can you give us a sense
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for timing so I appreciate the question I think that's a really good question so
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that I've told you we've done over 400 at this pace which I'm proud of the pace
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that we have done thus far it is not fast enough if it if again this is gonna this
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is gonna take us multiple years at this pace to get it done so that is
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unacceptable and I've I have countless meetings every week about how we can
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speed up the process to get more money out the door more grant agreements done
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so I take your point I am proud of the work we've done so far but the mission is
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to pick it up dramatically yeah and at some point you do you run into a
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potential even if it's inadvertent you on and you run into an impoundment issue right
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you have to spend these dollars and especially since the grant awards were given and the
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the state departments of transportation sometimes county departments of
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transportation they they have to spend money to gear up for contract
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management you've got staging costs so this is not free to do so I just really
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do encourage you not just to pick up the pace as a sort of generic proposition but
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to get get back to members of the House and the Senate on a bipartisan basis to
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say you know this is where we're gonna get and by when so speaking of which
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I want to cover one other thing in the kind of I call it de-woke-ifying stuff
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can I just on the on the impound like I'm not trying to impound anything I know you're
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what I'm trying so if there's money that's about to run out I'm trying to move that I'm
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trying to elevate that and move that more quickly so you don't lose dollars sure and
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I you and I had a brief conversation about bikes yes and then you would you the
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department issued additional guidance on bike infrastructure and I just this is this is
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like my I don't even ride a bike particularly often but I just think it's a
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little nuts that bikes have become some sort of like climate priority and
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therefore people who are right of center are like bikes are a climate thing
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bicycles are bicycles everybody rides a bike kids ride bikes families ride bikes
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every community rural red purple blue you know should have a safe way for people to
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ride bikes can we please take the question of utilizing bikes safely out of
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whatever fight we're going to have on a partisan basis about climate policy so I
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don't see bikes and climate together but I like bikes do bikes are wonderful my
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kids ride them okay can you review the the additional sort of restrictions or
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scrutiny that some of these bike projects have gotten so one of us to kind of
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explain my concern about if there was some of the requirements in the last
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administration was are you adding you know bike lanes and and walking paths to you
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know your construction project that's what they wanted to see and if there's
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some places across this country where we don't need bike lanes why are we
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adding bike lanes on to what should be you know just no one wants to ride a
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bike right yeah because I am on a time and there's a vote and some other
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members who want to talk but the the problem here right is everybody
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understands how this was done which is you have so many thousands of contracts
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people controlled F for certain words and so some bike projects are just bike
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projects some projects are adding criteria to a rail or pedestrian or car project to
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say and also you there's this new requirement but it's such a blunt instrument that you're
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blocking stuff that I think you and I on a common-sense basis would say yes we
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should do it and I'll take why I just want one more question which I'll get out and
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take for the record but the again on timeframes and let's get some specificity
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you got to do a bunch of things to upgrade the air traffic control system
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and including and especially the telecommunications upgrades if you could
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give us both some fidelity on costs what you anticipate asking the Congress for
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and also specifically the time frame for resolving the new work issues whether
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that's weeks or months or whatever I just think the traveling public needs to
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know exactly what that's going to be thank you if you want to call I'd be
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happy to talk more about bikes I don't think we're that far away on bike and bike
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usage I don't think we are I just think in the execution of some of these some
06:27
of these procedures that we're we're talking past each other very well thank you
06:32
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