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00:00É um lugar bom para crescer.
00:04Muito bom.
00:15Você quer uma boa mãe ou uma boa mãe?
00:19Uma boa mãe.
00:21Olá?
00:30Olá?
00:31Sim?
00:32Podemos falar?
00:33O que?
00:34Eu não posso pensar em falar sobre o meu pai.
00:37O que?
00:38Estou terminando a minha vida muito bem?
00:40O que você está falando?
00:42Nós fizemos a melhor coisa.
00:44O que você quer dizer?
00:46Você disse que tinha uma tinta.
00:48Eu não sei o que você está falando.
00:50Eu vou ser uma tinta.
00:51Você pode fazer o que você quer fazer.
00:53Você pode fazer o que você quer fazer.
00:54Você pode falar a verdade?
00:55Eu não sei o que a verdade é.
00:57O que você está falando?
00:58Eu estou falando de Deus.
01:00Eu estou falando de Deus.
01:01Você pode ir onde você quer e fazer o que você quer fazer.
01:03Eu estou falando de Deus.
01:05Eu sou o Corey.
01:09Eu sou 30 anos.
01:12Eu estou agindo ao mesmo tempo.
01:15Meu nome é Cori, eu estou 30 anos, ainda estou ajustando ao mesmo tempo de 30.
01:27Minha vida agora eu estou muito orgulhosa.
01:32Eu tenho um bom trabalho, uma família, mas, estatísticamente, eu não deveria estar aqui.
01:39Eu não posso dizer quantas vezes eu estive perto de morte.
01:50Eu passei a maioria da minha vida sentindo assustada, sabendo o que está em meu passado e o que escuro é.
01:59Eu deveria ter falado há muito tempo, ou eu deveria ter ficado adicado para algo, para desculpar a dor.
02:09O que aconteceu?
02:39Eu estava a primeira vez que apareceu na escenação, eu vou para a porta.
02:47Ok, você está aí por sua vez?
02:49Sim.
02:51O que é a mãe?
02:52Júdice.
02:53Júdice?
02:56Você me chamou a mãe?
02:58Não.
02:58Ok, eu vou chamar para você, ok?
03:01Cori abriu a porta para mim.
03:02Eu tinha conhecido Cori, desde que ele era muito pequeno.
03:09Esse era um 10-year-old criança.
03:13Ele toma a mão de minha mão, ele me diz para o meu lado, onde o meu pai estava.
03:18Eu não sabia o que eu estava a ver.
03:20Mas eu saíu do meu quarto, e eu vi o meu pai, Robert.
03:27Foi claro que ele tinha sido morto na cabeça.
03:33E não havia nada que pudesse ser feito naquela época.
03:36E então eu saíu, e agora eu tenho que lidar com um 10-year-old que está just broken.
03:48Eu estava terando, e eu estava estava acalçado, emocionado, acalificado.
04:01Eu sabia que meu pai estava lá, mas eu estava apenas por despedir.
04:06Eu can me lembro Cori dizendo,
04:08Minha pai, ele é meu melhor amigo.
04:09Eu conheci o Robert Brenniger, ele era muito kind e gentile, e muito familia-mente.
04:28O dia começou e terminou com Corey.
04:33Ele era muito orgulhoso de seu filho.
04:35Eu sabia que o que eu não conseguia fixe, e eu não conseguia fixe ele.
04:56O estupido lá, onde o passo é, eu senti e...
05:01E Corey, a light just unraveld.
05:09Corey sits in my lap, and he was trying to tell me what had happened.
05:13I told Cliff that when I was handing my dad the gun, my finger was on the trigger and the safety was off.
05:24And my dad had pulled it and set the gun off.
05:29I lost track of myself for a few moments there until other people come on the scene,
05:35and then I started realizing that I had a job to do.
05:38I had to shift gears.
05:43All of a sudden, there were cop cars everywhere and an ambulance.
05:49Corey explains that his dad was teaching him about hunting
05:53and that the gun went off accidentally.
05:59Some of the responders did have questions and wondered about why would this have happened this way.
06:07If you're talking to a young boy, that didn't make sense, you know,
06:11that Robert was laying in bed with earplugs on.
06:14Corey told the EMT that after the gun accidentally went off,
06:21he immediately dropped the firearm,
06:23but the rifle was found on the other side of Robert from where the shooting was.
06:28So that was also inconsistent.
06:30Those questions, while I think in some people's minds,
06:35did not really get explored very well.
06:39I was allowing my emotions to control a lot of my thought that day.
06:44Nothing goes past my mind other than that this is accidental.
06:48That's what I was hearing from Corey,
06:51and that's what my eyes allowed me to see that day.
07:01I remember Corey's mom, Judith, showing up.
07:05She asked me if she could take Corey away from the scene.
07:07I just remember Judith sitting down, putting her arm around my neck and telling me to stop.
07:19I can't forget that, how cold she was.
07:22I remember driving by the house right after it happened.
07:30I'm having, like, that eerie, weird feeling, like that something wasn't right.
07:36We had heard that, you know, it was a hunting sort of accident,
07:41and that, you know, Corey was there with Rob alone.
07:46Robert was experienced in hunting and safety and all those things.
07:51This just doesn't sound right.
07:52I grew up in a very small town in Ohio.
08:14We had just one street that ran through it and then a railroad track.
08:18There was probably 50 or 60 people, no more.
08:24My parents were Robert Brinegar and Wendy Belt.
08:29But by the time I have any real memories, they were already divorced.
08:36Some of my earliest memories would probably be out in the barn with my dad.
08:43He was always working on cars.
08:45My love of cars definitely stemmed from my dad.
08:51He always had his Mustang, and I don't know, I always saw the love and time he put into it.
08:59I loved my dad, and, you know, I wanted all the time I could have with him.
09:03As soon as Judith came into her life, you know, all that went out the window.
09:13I remember the first day I met Judith with my dad.
09:17I was probably about five years old.
09:21We actually met up at a McDonald's, and we had lunch together.
09:26I remember specifically calling her the yellow-haired lady because she had blonde hair.
09:33She was being super attentive.
09:35She just seemed like a nice person.
09:38I didn't know there was anything other than nice people at that point.
09:42She had a daughter that was my age.
09:53And my dad decided to buy a house, and they actually moved in.
09:59Robert wanted to do the best he could for his new family.
10:02Part of that was giving them whatever he possibly could give them.
10:11I actually remember him taking a new job at a steel mill.
10:16And then, to be honest, I hardly ever saw him.
10:22Rob was working third shift, and he was putting in a lot of overtime.
10:27I would say when he came home, he was certainly stressed.
10:33It was almost a, you know, a sense of irritability.
10:37He didn't really want to be bothered.
10:44Robert was the main breadwinner of the house,
10:47and it was basically Judy's responsibility to take care of the kids during the day.
10:50Judith was, you know, the provider, meaning she took care of me,
10:57oversaw what I did, and was, lack of better words, just the boss of my life.
11:02What were you doing when you started to do this?
11:05I was just playing.
11:09I actually wasn't spending a lot of time with my mother, Wendy, anymore.
11:14And so Judith decided she wanted to adopt me.
11:17She was very adamant about the adoption process,
11:23about becoming his legal guardian.
11:24Do you want a good mommy or a bad mommy?
11:29A bad mommy.
11:32This person had taken over both roles, actually,
11:37since, you know, dad was unavailable a lot.
11:40So she became both of those roles,
11:43which was difficult for Corey.
11:47She started telling my dad that I was a bad kid
11:51and that I never listened
11:53and that she didn't know why.
11:56What are you doing, Corey?
12:00Why?
12:05Why did she tell you that?
12:06I don't know.
12:09Oh.
12:11Judy was having a lot of these behavior problems with Corey
12:15while Robert was at work.
12:17She would record me,
12:19and I didn't know what she was doing.
12:22So that was a way for Judy to show Robert,
12:25hey, this is what I'm dealing with during the day
12:27while you're at work.
12:29Was it clean before you started tearing it up?
12:32Yeah.
12:33My dad would ask me,
12:35what's wrong with me?
12:36What's changed?
12:37And I would just say,
12:38I don't know.
12:41All that disconnect got so big between my dad and I.
12:44As far as he knew,
12:45I was just this problem child.
12:47The death of Robert was classified as an accidental shooting.
13:03I actually got there the following day
13:06to try to talk to Corey and check in on him,
13:09but Judith wouldn't let me speak to him.
13:11The troubling thing I had out of all that was
13:17is she took him back to that house that night,
13:20and they stayed there that night.
13:23And that bothered me.
13:26Living with Judith after the accident was just weird.
13:31She would pretend that it didn't happen.
13:35I think for her, it was just like no big deal.
13:38We're just going to move forward
13:39and do what we need to do.
13:41And not much thought to what had happened to him,
13:46specifically, like the trauma that he endured.
13:50I didn't know what I was supposed to do.
13:53I was conflicted,
13:54and I wanted that burden to be off of me.
14:02Corey started to withdraw more as he got older,
14:06and he didn't interact because Judith didn't allow that.
14:12Life was, for everyone minus me, fine.
14:16I wasn't allowed to participate in family events or anything.
14:21I wasn't allowed to smile or have fun.
14:24He wasn't allowed to be a kid, ever.
14:29I was just supposed to be there and clean up messes,
14:32make dinner, and appease her.
14:34She was very demanding.
14:38Everything had to be perfect.
14:42Most of the neighbors were afraid of her
14:44and felt that she worked Corey hard.
14:48In the community, they did not like Judy as a neighbor.
14:58They thought she was very private.
15:02She didn't want anyone to see things.
15:04The shades were always down.
15:07If someone did knock at the door,
15:09we were never allowed to open it,
15:11and everyone had to be quiet
15:12so that, you know, they thought nobody was home.
15:18Judith always thought the neighbors
15:19were being nosy and spying on her,
15:22but she had cameras set up
15:24to record what they were doing.
15:28She did a lot of weird stuff.
15:30I think she slashed the neighbor's car tires
15:33and just was after people, more or less,
15:36you know, thinking that everyone was after her, too.
15:40The neighbors had a dog that barked a lot,
15:43so she would take poison over there
15:47in the hopes that the dog would eat it.
15:49They also fed a tree in their front yard,
15:56and Judith, for whatever reason,
15:58wanted it gone,
16:00so she would put Roundup on it
16:02and actually would have me in the middle of the night
16:04go over and dump buckets of Roundup on it.
16:09I don't know what Judith was trying to do.
16:14She was trying to convince people she wasn't crazy.
16:17and she was really doing the polar opposite of that
16:21because I'm pretty certain
16:23everyone thought she was crazy.
16:26She isolated herself and her family from everybody.
16:30It wasn't about being alone.
16:32It was about being controlling.
16:36This was my entire childhood.
16:39Judith being in control of me
16:41was until I turned 18
16:43and I ran away from the house.
16:47My first real connection with Corey
16:54was when he was 18 years old.
16:57He was kind of like asking if people knew his dad,
17:00and so he reached out to me.
17:02But quickly after that,
17:04I realized that he just really needed somebody.
17:08He just really just was lacking that support and love
17:15that he so needed.
17:17He just kind of started coming around
17:19and, you know,
17:21we were loving on him,
17:22and so he quickly became just like a part of our family.
17:27Most people at 18, you know,
17:32they've already done so much.
17:35I was being a kid for the first time in my life.
17:41So we always talked about, like, how, you know,
17:43now is the time to start over.
17:45Like, you get to start over.
17:46Yeah, this is a smile that hasn't told anyone anything yet.
18:02After I moved out,
18:03I was coming up on just a couple months away
18:06from graduating high school.
18:08And as a senior project from English class,
18:12we actually had to write something,
18:14and it was our biggest regret.
18:18I was up one night,
18:19and I started writing,
18:22and I just simply put into words
18:26that what happened to my dad wasn't the truth.
18:33My dad didn't die the way everyone thinks that he died.
18:36I get a call from the sheriff.
18:54He said that Corey had told the teachers
18:57the things that happened the day of the shooting
19:00was not the way it happened.
19:02I just put into words that
19:04What happened to my dad
19:06wasn't what everyone thought.
19:13So I went to Boulding High School
19:15to see what was happening.
19:19Even though it was 10 years later,
19:22it hadn't left my mind
19:24what had transpired that day.
19:26They actually sat me down,
19:37and my heart sank
19:39because I thought I was going to jail.
19:42Do you remember what happened to my father?
19:53I blurted out everything
19:54and what Judith made me do.
19:59Corey tells us
20:00that he intentionally shot his father
20:02at the request of Judith.
20:06What led up to that day?
20:12I mean, obviously,
20:13she didn't wake up two days earlier
20:15and say,
20:15you're going to shoot your father.
20:18I don't know how long,
20:19maybe a month before,
20:20but she told me that he had cancer
20:23and it was actually his idea.
20:25One day, Judith pulled me aside
20:36and said my dad was dying
20:39of her brain tumor.
20:42She continued on with
20:44that he was planning on having
20:46an accident involving a gun
20:48so that the family would be
20:50well off from the life insurance.
20:51I think she weaponized him
20:56just by convincing him
20:58that's what his father wanted.
21:06I got off the bus
21:07and she was standing there waiting.
21:10She put her hand around my neck
21:13and she said,
21:13today's the day you're going
21:14to kill your dad.
21:19I just remember looking at her
21:21and she forced my head forward
21:22and proceeded to tell me
21:24that the gun was in the laundry room
21:26waiting on me.
21:32She also told me that
21:33I was to wait a couple minutes
21:35as her and her daughter
21:37were going to go to her mother's house
21:40and then go into the room
21:43where my dad was sleeping.
21:46Since we were supposed to be talking
21:48about gun safety
21:49and hunting safety,
21:51she had bought magazines
21:53and there was even a hat
21:56and some targets
21:57and I was supposed to place them there
21:59to essentially make it look
22:03just as she said it was.
22:07She told me as soon as it was done
22:10that I was to call 911
22:12and tell them that
22:14when I was handing the gun
22:17that the gun went off.
22:21I went to his room
22:23and he was sleeping
22:24and he had earplugs in
22:26and I looked at him.
22:32I remember I was crying
22:34and almost hyperventilating
22:36and I raised the gun.
22:40I didn't look
22:41but I pulled the trigger
22:43and nothing happened.
22:47It just made a ping noise
22:50and so I was like freaking out
22:54because I didn't know what that meant.
22:55I didn't even know anything
22:56about guns at the time
22:58but I went to the living room
23:00to try and figure it out.
23:02I thought, you know,
23:03maybe the gun's broke.
23:05I'm 10 years old.
23:06I don't know.
23:08But when I went back in there
23:09I was already in the mindset
23:10that the gun was broken
23:12and it wasn't going to go off.
23:16I raised the gun
23:17and I pulled the trigger
23:20and I wasn't even holding it
23:22because I thought it was broke
23:23and it went off.
23:31I hit the wall and everything
23:32because I wasn't holding it properly
23:34and
23:35that's what happened.
23:48I remember standing there
23:51after it happened
23:51and
23:52I'll never forget this
23:56but I hurt my dad.
23:58Just take one
23:59long last breath.
24:02after it happened
24:04and
24:05I was just in disbelief
24:07because
24:08I thought for sure
24:10the gun was broke
24:11and that was it.
24:13But
24:14I knew he was gone
24:16because I could see everything.
24:18and I called 9-1-1
24:29told him my dad
24:31and my dad had been shot.
24:33I knew that right away
24:35my dad
24:37was shot.
24:40I failed Corey that day.
24:42I wasn't hearing or seeing
24:43the things I needed to see that day.
24:45It's difficult to admit that
24:48but that's
24:48that's what happened.
24:53I felt horrible
24:54and
24:56I struggled with it too.
24:58It was a cold case
25:09in some respects
25:10but
25:10a little different
25:12in the sense that
25:13nobody disputes
25:14that we were talking
25:15to the guy
25:16that pulled the trigger
25:16when we're talking to Corey
25:17but we're also talking
25:20to him as an adult
25:21so
25:21corroborating
25:23his
25:2319-year-old
25:25account
25:26became the objective.
25:28We had
25:30enough to believe
25:31that she was
25:32the one
25:32that had orchestrated this
25:34and
25:34from that point on
25:36started looking over
25:37everything that occurred
25:38that day.
25:39You didn't look at
25:40the flags close enough
25:4210 years earlier.
25:43You've got to look at them now.
25:44So
25:47what all
25:48can we learn
25:49about Judith Hockey?
25:50What other clues
25:51might be there
25:52relative to behavior
25:54family dynamics?
25:58We spent
25:58the next year
25:59gathering
26:00and putting
26:02things together
26:03and trying
26:04to build a case.
26:08Investigators
26:08talked to as many people
26:09as they could find
26:10that knew Judith
26:11over the years
26:12that knew Corey
26:13over the years
26:14teachers
26:14former
26:15lovers
26:16because we didn't
26:18want to go forward
26:18with these kinds
26:19of allegations
26:20if we didn't
26:21believe in them.
26:29After a period
26:30of time
26:30and after talking
26:32to past partners
26:33of her
26:33that had isolated
26:35away from
26:35their own families
26:36and had brought
26:38destruction
26:38in their lives
26:39we realized
26:42she was the person
26:43that Corey described.
26:49The picture
26:50was pretty clear
26:51that Judith
26:52was a very
26:53dominating personality
26:54and had some tendencies
26:57to be almost
26:59bizarrely controlling.
27:03This is a female
27:04in life that was
27:06going to destroy
27:06anything that came
27:08in her path
27:09as long as she
27:11was on top.
27:12It took 10 years
27:15for us to realize
27:16what had happened
27:17really that day
27:18and shame on myself
27:20for my reactions
27:22that day
27:22I should have thought
27:23more like an
27:24investigator
27:25instead of a father
27:26because all I could
27:28think of that day
27:29was how much
27:30that 10 year old boy
27:32was hurting
27:33and still bothers
27:36me yet today.
27:39He was a good soul
27:41and his soul
27:42was robbed
27:42from him that day.
27:50As our investigation
27:51continued on
27:52I find out
27:54that less than
27:5512 hours
27:55from the time
27:56the shooting
27:56of Robert
27:57she was already
27:58at the place
27:59of his employment
28:00asking for
28:01his life insurance.
28:03She was
28:09exceptionally greedy
28:10and didn't care
28:12about Robert
28:14Corey
28:15she cared about
28:16herself.
28:17I think it was
28:18pure evil
28:19and just greed.
28:24As the rest
28:25of the investigation
28:26unfolded
28:27I think all of us
28:30that were part
28:30of the team
28:31came increasingly
28:32troubled
28:33shocked
28:34disturbed
28:35about how much
28:37Corey had suffered.
28:39We wanted Corey
28:41to make a phone call
28:42to Judith
28:42to try to tell her
28:44that he could
28:45no longer live
28:45with the secret
28:47the lies
28:47that he had kept
28:48bottled up inside
28:49of him
28:50for the last
28:5010 years.
28:52to try to tell her
28:53to tell her
28:53hello.
28:53Hello.
28:54Hello.
28:54Hello.
28:55Yeah.
28:55Can we talk?
28:57O que é isso?
29:27Todo mundo pensava que ele era ótimo.
29:29Nós convocamos ele em sua família com abertos abertos.
29:32Ele tinha todo mundo fooled.
29:34Ela viu aquele lado escuro de ele que ninguém mais fez.
29:38Ele tinha que fazer isso parecer como um accidente.
29:42Ele pensava que ele ia fazer todo mundo.
29:45Brian Hew, American Monster, Monday, no I.D.
29:50O que é?
29:52O que é?
29:54O que é?
29:56Ele pensava que ele followingia상.
29:58Se ele haviam mais mau ao redanar,
29:59ele devia ser monto em uma espacia.
30:01Ele não havia mais rectangle.
30:04Então quem teria feito isso?
30:06Ele começou, meio, não terá casa, não se sleep,
30:11ana, não se espera o adversário vocês têm aquele lugar onde vocês queriam.
30:14...which is standing in front of the judge.
30:17Brand new American Detective with Lieutenant Joe Kenda.
30:22Wednesday on ID.
30:27Growing up in an industrial Czech city,
30:30I was as disconnected from nature as one can be.
30:35All I knew about nature is that we're losing it.
30:39But then I learned that there is hope.
30:42It can be found in our forests.
30:45We still have the space to restore one trillion trees.
30:49Can you imagine?
30:52My name's Shimon Michalczyk.
30:54Ever since I found out about this mission,
30:56I have been working to restore...
30:58...23rd of October on ID.
31:08Everything we gathered over that year
31:10helped concrete exactly what Corey told us.
31:14So we wanted Corey to make a phone call
31:16to see if Truth would say anything.
31:18Hello?
31:30Hello?
31:31Yeah?
31:32Can we talk?
31:34What?
31:35I just can't stop thinking about Dad and everything.
31:38Did we do the right thing?
31:40What?
31:41Did I end his life too early?
31:43I mean, what if that tumor could have been taken out?
31:46I don't know what you're talking about.
31:48You said he had a tumor.
31:50I don't know what you're talking about.
31:52Can I go to a therapist?
31:53You can do whatever you want to do.
31:55Can I tell him the truth?
31:57I don't know what the truth is.
31:59Well, I think I should go to a therapist.
32:02Well, go wherever you want to go
32:03and do whatever you want to do.
32:04All right.
32:06Goodbye.
32:07When he's crying out for help
32:09and thinking about going to a therapist,
32:10did you hear her once encourage him to go?
32:13No.
32:14Not once.
32:15She didn't care what he did.
32:16My name is Anna Salter.
32:26I am a clinical psychologist.
32:29I was contacted by the prosecution.
32:34They wanted me to evaluate Corey Brenninger
32:37and to interview him.
32:40He was not that forthcoming
32:46and he was angry, really angry.
32:51He was also afraid.
32:55He talked about if he saw someone
32:57who even resembled Judith,
33:00he would get upset.
33:04And that's very typical of people who are abused.
33:10They are hypervigilant for anything
33:14that reminds them of the original abuser.
33:21Growing up, I never asked other kids
33:25if they were being hit or beat or anything at school,
33:30but I always just assumed that they were.
33:33I didn't know that that wasn't a normal thing.
33:36Judith was doing it out of sight of my father
33:42and my dad didn't know anything about it.
33:47She treated him non-human-like.
33:51She was just evil.
33:55He said he was beaten.
33:59He was made to eat feces.
34:01It was smeared on him.
34:06Teachers talked about being suspicious
34:08of the way he would dress.
34:10He would be wearing long sleeves
34:12in appropriate times.
34:15It was because he had bruises on his arms.
34:17Once enough people asked,
34:26she kind of stopped hitting me
34:29and focused primarily on burning
34:34or twisting my penis
34:37because nobody would look there.
34:38I remember this scene.
34:45I was in the bathroom
34:46and she had a butter knife to my genitals.
34:49She was yelling at me
34:50saying she was going to cut it off
34:52and I heard the front door
34:54and in came my dad.
34:57I thought for sure Judith was caught,
35:00but she just looked at him and said,
35:01Rob, look at him.
35:03He's trying to cut off his penis.
35:05And I just stopped him.
35:06And my dad just looked at me
35:10and lost it.
35:25I don't think this is a child
35:27having a temper tantrum.
35:28He's not angry.
35:31He's not throwing things with any force.
35:34He's, you've got this sad child crying
35:37and just picking things up
35:40and kind of dropping them.
35:42Crying the whole time
35:44and then hitting himself on the head.
35:46I think it's staged.
35:51She would make me destroy my room.
35:54I didn't want to do it.
35:55I didn't know why I had to do it.
35:57Yet I was forced to
35:58and she recorded it.
35:59If Robert really believed
36:03that his son was acting out all the time,
36:06it would have reinforced the narrative
36:08that his son was a problem.
36:14I honestly think Judith
36:16just wanted my dad to hate me.
36:18She put him in situations
36:31that were physically dangerous
36:35to essentially to scare him
36:39and brainwash him in effect.
36:41She managed to get control
36:48over Corey through isolation,
36:51through severe abuse,
36:52through alienating him
36:55from the one person
36:56who might have supported him.
36:58So all of this
37:00led up to her telling him
37:03to kill his father.
37:04He was able at age 10
37:13to follow those instructions
37:16and to articulate the story.
37:18And of course, out of fear
37:20that he had done this awful thing,
37:24even if he thought
37:27he was doing it for good reasons,
37:29according to what Judith had told him.
37:31I was this little kid
37:34that didn't know any better
37:35and I still look back
37:39and I reflect on it
37:40every now and again,
37:41but none of it made sense
37:43and none of it seemed real.
37:48She always told me
37:50that there was a recording
37:52of what actually happened.
37:56And she said that
37:57if I ever went to the police,
37:59I would be the first thing
37:59that was shown
38:00and then I would go to prison
38:02for the rest of my life.
38:05It was our assessment
38:06that he really wasn't
38:08responsible for what he did.
38:09that occurred over the course
38:22of his childhood with you.
38:24Oh, yeah, that's what this is about.
38:39Oh, okay.
38:39Was Corey's penis
38:42ever flicked,
38:45grabbed,
38:47twisted,
38:48punched, slapped,
38:51or anything like that?
38:54No.
38:55I don't know what you people want.
38:56I did not abuse that child.
38:59So before I end
39:01and walk out,
39:02I want to know,
39:03I mean,
39:04you feel Corey's lying
39:05that you didn't do...
39:06No, I feel that
39:07maybe someone done
39:09some things to him
39:10but it wasn't me.
39:11she denied all of the allegations
39:16and of abuse
39:17and certainly of murder
39:19and she maintained
39:20her innocence throughout.
39:20And we have, uh,
39:41we've had, uh,
39:43court examines by an expert
39:44in the field
39:46and, uh,
39:48a lot of things
39:50that we allege in there
39:51are substantial.
39:53Child abuse allegations,
40:02oftentimes,
40:03you're relying on a story
40:05that somebody tells
40:06so there's not always
40:07physical evidence.
40:08It's always difficult
40:12to prove something
40:1410 years after the fact.
40:17It comes down to credibility.
40:22We didn't have DNA.
40:25We didn't have those things.
40:27We had a person's words.
40:31You like Mama Judy?
40:33Yeah.
40:34We had to make the jury
40:39see a 10-year-old
40:41sitting there
40:41and not a 19-year-old.
40:44And that was a challenge.
40:54When this trial started,
40:55this was in a big case
40:57here in Defiance County.
40:58This is a small town
41:00and there was a lot of tension
41:02in the courtroom.
41:04I wanted the jury to know
41:08that it wasn't Corey
41:09that pulled that trigger,
41:10that it was Judith Hawkey.
41:12It was everything she'd done
41:13to that poor young man
41:14to cause him
41:17to pull the trigger.
41:20The jury needed to hear
41:22that 10-year-old speak.
41:24When I went on the witness stand,
41:38I was unable,
41:41out of fear,
41:42to look in her direction.
41:43The pain you have put me through
41:50is something
41:50that should send you
41:51straight to hell.
41:53But he found that courage
41:54and he was able to tell us
41:57what that monster
42:00had done to him.
42:00I just want you to know
42:02that you didn't break me.
42:04All the abuse and neglect
42:05and look at where you're at.
42:07You're getting what you deserve.
42:11I read my statement
42:13and she actually turned around
42:17and started yelling
42:18and tried to lunge at me.
42:20He shot his father purposely
42:21and he made up this whole story.
42:26Twelve people
42:27that had no idea
42:29what happened or transpired
42:30listened to that evidence
42:32over those several days
42:34and was able to sort through it
42:36and find the truth.
42:41Judy was found guilty
42:42of aggravated murder,
42:44four counts of felony,
42:45child endangering,
42:46and one count of insurance fraud.
42:49He wrote beyond description.
42:50It's all I can say about it.
42:53And during that sentencing,
42:55the judge sentenced Judy to life
42:57without the possibility of parole.
43:00It was something that had
43:02haunted me for so long.
43:05It was utter disbelief
43:08but complete relief.
43:11I felt justice had been served.
43:15Before Judy left,
43:16she said that she was innocent
43:17and that she was going to be back.
43:20I knew that during the trial
43:32that there was going to be
43:34some appealable issues
43:35that were going to be there.
43:37I felt that there was
43:38some hearsay
43:39and some other evidence
43:40that was admitted by the state
43:41that should not have been admitted.
43:42It was really very much
43:46in the stereotypical sense
43:48of a legal technicality
43:49that the appeal
43:51was based on.
43:54Corey told me about the appeal
43:55and I was in disbelief.
43:58I thought, you know,
44:00I was finally rid of her,
44:02done with her,
44:03and now we get to do it
44:06all over again.
44:06We were very disappointed
44:17and very shocked
44:18at that outcome.
44:18and I still live to this day.
44:23I still disagree with the outcome.
44:27But at the end of the day,
44:28the courts get the final word.
44:29I've spent the majority of my life
44:41just completely afraid of her.
44:43And something she always told me
44:45was no matter where I was,
44:47she'd always come after me.
44:49And, you know,
44:50that's something that's still in my mind.
44:53I can't say I have zero fear.
44:55I'd be lying.
44:56I'm afraid.
44:59He's got to watch his back.
45:01You know,
45:02make sure that
45:03she's not going to be around
45:05to do something to retaliate.
45:07It's always in the back of my mind
45:08that she's somewhere lurking.
45:14I fear for the other people
45:15in her life, too.
45:19I can't say what she's capable of now,
45:22but she was capable
45:23of destroying a young man's life.
45:25I can't imagine me and Corey today
45:34waking up with that pain every day.
45:40He still struggles with guilt.
45:44Every November, it hits him.
45:46It hits him hard.
45:48I hope he learns to forgive himself.
45:50He is the best example of a warrior.
45:56There are so many things
45:57that could have happened to him
45:58that have not,
46:00and I think he's a miracle.
46:01every day before I go to go to sleep,
46:07I pray,
46:08and I mention my father,
46:10think about him throughout the day.
46:13I know that if I were to live
46:15in a negative life,
46:16it would only be hurting his legacy.
46:21So I try to be the best person
46:23I can be to honor him.
46:24I can be to tell you how he's capable of
46:29to reach out to himself.
46:30I can be the best person
46:32and for me,
46:32I think this is really important.
46:34Either and destroy me,
46:35I agree with that.
46:35I don't think so
46:35or have to do it for the season
46:36or have to be done.
46:37You may have to wait.
46:39I will
46:44close the season
46:47with things
46:47by pleasing
46:48and you
46:48can live
46:52in a brief 옷 silicon