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00:00I am Saransh an 18 year old student from Lucknow so my question is that can we take the nature
00:14worship nature worship part of the Vedas with a special meaning today with a with a higher
00:20meaning today because I've heard you saying once that there would have been a great consciousness
00:27which would have addressed Ganga as ma or worshipped a tree can we take these Vedic gods with a special
00:34meaning a higher meaning today the higher meaning is desirelessness you cannot worship something with
00:41a view to obtain favors from it that's exploitation that's consumption that's worship only in name
00:47that's like worshiping Margarita you don't worship Margarita because you are charmed and you want to
00:58become one day like Margarita you want to lose yourself and one day be dissolved you worship
01:04Margarita so that you can consume it fully and finish it off
01:09so the the real kind of nature worship that we talk of let's say in Durga Sapshati that's different
01:21that's where the relationship is not of bhog
01:26you remember that particular quotation prakrati ma hai bhogya nahi
01:30that's worship but when you go to prakrati asking favors can you give me that can you give like you
01:41go to a cow and saying can you give me milk but that's not worship please
01:47real worship is when you do not use any dairy product and yet you have respect for the cow that's
01:54worship you have respect for the cow because you will be getting he and dude and lassi and then you
02:02will also sell it off to the butcher and
02:08that's not that's not worship you cannot have worship along with desire
02:16to worship first of all you must have something that's above you right
02:29in consumption
02:33the thing is always at your own level
02:38how can you consume and worship at the same time
02:40these two are incompatible do you see that if i am to consume something it has to be at my
02:50own level whereas to worship it it has to be above me
02:55the consumption of prakrati and worship of prakrati do not go together
03:03those who worship prakrati and then consume it are like those who
03:06worship the goat and then slaughter it and eat it does that not happen
03:19there are people who will patent it for an entire month and say you know this is like our own son
03:27and then slaughter and eat it is that worship does that carry any feeling of respect
03:33is there any sacredness in all this
03:41sacredness the touchstone is you will not consume
03:46you will not look at the other as means to fulfill your desire
03:49that's the attitude you must have towards prakrati
03:54and that attitude itself is called worship you don't have to prostrate
04:03or offer goodies
04:09worship is not all that
04:13you understand sacredness
04:17i'm i'm not to touch it
04:20it's above me or it reminds me of something that is untouchable within me
04:27it is so high it reminds me of my highest possibility that's worship
04:31i look at the flow of the river and my attentiveness reminds me of the pure flow within myself now
04:40that's worship river worship is not about going and taking the holy dip and polluting the river
04:47that's not river worship watch the river from a distance please
04:51the river does not want you to enter it the river is totally fed up of you river worship means watch
05:04it from a distance very attentively and that's meditation just sit there look at it purposelessly
05:14you don't have to say i have come here and i have only 20 minutes to watch the river
05:18so let me extract the value
05:22the flight tickets were so expensive
05:27then you will start hallucinating you'll start thinking that the river has taken a female form
05:31and is coming out to bless you and you will say can i have a very juicy wife
05:40the river will say tatastu
05:43babaji
05:46he made his career on this
05:47you understand worship worship and sacredness go together the problem with the common man is
06:02that for him nothing is sacred at all everything is an object that he can lay his hands on and consume
06:08is there anything that you will never never agree to dare to want to touch if there is even one such
06:19thing in your life then you know sacredness and only with sacredness can there be worship
06:25most of us can lay our dirty hands on anything nothing is sacred
06:30learn to touch things without spoiling them
06:47learn to enter a room without without disturbing the room
06:56learn to exist
06:57exist as if you are not
07:03learn to make your presence unfelt that's worship
07:16that's one mark often of the spiritual man
07:21he enters and leaves silently
07:23as if he was always there or as if he was never there
07:33you know that sacredness
07:36i'm not here to consume i'm not here to destroy i'm not here to alter the scheme of things
07:44i'm here to flow in the scheme of things
07:49that's worship worship is not all this
07:53theatrics that you see in the name of religion
07:55somebody is rolling on the road
08:00somebody is climbing some tree
08:03and all other kinds of gymnastics
08:08that you call as religion
08:11you don't have to fold your hands to worship
08:13you don't have to take off your shoes you don't have to visit a special place
08:21when you look at the world do not do not ask what can i get from it ask what is it
08:40that's worship
08:43and you don't have to ask what is it
08:45what is it you just have to see and you will know what is it
08:55that's the that's the attitude of the spiritual mind
08:59that's the worshipper
09:00what is it that's the spirit of the spiritual mind
09:02huh
09:06you don't find
09:09thirst and perpetual hunger
09:12and craving in his eyes
09:18some swanky car
09:20and he
09:21how can i get it
09:24what is the whole thing about
09:30you remember
09:35ashtavakra saying
09:37just day before yesterday
09:40no great wonderment here
09:42in the sense
09:43that
09:44no great fulfillment in that
09:47therefore
09:48i don't need to be amazed by all this
09:52yet
09:52i'm an observer
09:54in some way
09:55it is indeed mesmerizing
09:57but not in the way of fulfillment of desire
09:59are you getting it
10:01yes i look at it with awe
10:03with wonderment
10:05in the in terms of knowing it
10:07not in terms of consuming it
10:15i look at a
10:17magnificent tree
10:20and i dance around it
10:24that's wonderful that's fine
10:28not that i start thinking of
10:30chopping it down
10:32and calculating how much can the proceeds be sold for
10:46if you have
10:47it happened once
10:52we had
10:53jitu
10:55the legendary
10:56cock
11:02the books department should publish
11:04a book
11:06jitu the legendary cock
11:07there were these carpenters
11:17who came
11:18and jitu was always
11:20tritting and prancing around
11:22like he owned the place
11:25he was never kept caged
11:27the entire thing belonged to him
11:29would go wherever and
11:30you really needed to be in his good books
11:32to even enter botsthal
11:35otherwise he would chase you
11:36where many here might have experienced
11:38what it meant to
11:40not have jitu's favor
11:42pack pack pack pack
11:43and you're out
11:46and he really had
11:47an evil beak
11:52so they came
11:53the carpenters
11:55and they were looking at jitu
11:57and discussing something
11:57that got me curious
11:59and i went and they were discussing
12:01how much is the weight
12:02and how much would it cost
12:05no that's not secretness
12:07that's not worship
12:09in fact they were thinking
12:14how come this acharya is
12:17raising
12:20but they said fine might be
12:22such a thing happens in hindus
12:25but they were
12:26pretty delighted to look at this
12:27and they said look
12:29how much did he weigh
12:30some
12:31i said
12:31we have never seen
12:35a rooster weighing some 11 kilograms
12:37or something
12:37this big
12:38always eating
12:43you look at an animal
12:46and you start thinking
12:48of pounds of flesh
12:50that's not sacredness
12:53you look at a man or a woman
12:55and you start thinking
12:56what it would be like
12:57to bang her
12:59that's not sacredness
13:08but that's the way we are
13:09you have these maniquins
13:27what are they are for
13:30look at it
13:32and imagine how the thing would look on you
13:34you
13:40it is assumed that that's the normal way of our being
13:44that you would look only to consume
13:48look at the mannequin
13:49and imagine
13:51how that dress or ornament would look on you
13:56look at jitu and imagine
13:58how it would look on the plate
14:04we have a very corrupted notion
14:19of religion worship
14:22sacredness
14:24devotion
14:28bhakti
14:31extremely corrupted
14:34and the result is that today
14:50if you have to choose between
14:53a devotee
14:55and an atheist
14:56my advice is that you go with the atheist
15:04the atheist
15:09might be debauched
15:12but he cannot match the depths
15:17to which the devotee can plunge
15:25the so-called religious man is a real menace
15:28to be avoided as much as possible
15:36babaji
15:40what i am saying
15:54will not be very lucid to you right now
15:58you are just eighteen
16:01but let these words remain
16:06one day gradually
16:07half a decade
16:12twenty decades
16:22hmm
16:23that's just a small follow-up
16:26so if a person is witnessing the river
16:29and you've just you've once mentioned
16:32that there is just joy in seeing it
16:37sir how is it different from
16:40a consumption through eyes
16:42is it not a consumption which we are doing
16:45good good nice very nice
16:47very nice whenever there is consumption through eyes
16:50there is a pre-planted image
16:56pre-planted image
17:00you already know what you want from it you want to repeat a previous experience
17:04joy on the other hand is about sublimation of the experiencer
17:14you're very right you can consume even through your eyes
17:17and that's what the religious mind does that's so-called religious the log dharmi mind that's what he does
17:23he will go to the river and he will say i'm supposed to watch the river
17:26and in the process of watching as i had warned in the process of watching
17:31he will invoke all the pre-existing images
17:36the river is now
17:40arising
17:42as a mermaid you understand mermaid half woman half fish
17:49sexy mermaid the river is now arising
17:52and now the river is coming to me and saying
17:55you know if you kiss me properly i'll be your wife
18:01that's consumption
18:04that's the pleasure of consumption joy is a different thing altogether
18:09the water the consumer
18:14the watcher the experiencer the consumer
18:16finds no place to remain
18:21you allow the fact to take over
18:25and you are gone because the ego is not a
18:30fact when you allow the fact to dominate you
18:32you as it rightfully must
18:36then all that which is not a fact is gone so the ego too is gone
18:41and that's joy
18:44pleasure is in gratiation of the ego joy is disappearance of the ego there is a great difference
18:52pleasure is never in the present pleasure is always about
18:57recycling some old experience and whatever you got out of it
19:00in joy there is no question of experience if someone says you know i experienced joy
19:09he's a bluffing buffoon
19:14joy is nothing to be experienced joy is like deep sleep
19:21only when it is gone can you say that you had it
19:24when in deep sleep can you claim that you are asleep
19:32joy is like that
19:35joy is a state of negation of disappearance you're not
19:40however when somebody brings you back to the mortal plane then you say oh now
19:47something precious is lost only in that way can joy be pointed at only
19:57in the sense of its absence when it is there then you will not say i'm so joyful i'm so joyful no
20:04you're not joyful you're just yourself
20:08so joy is no state of exuberant pleasure
20:12some people equate joy with subtle pleasure they say you know when you're laughing
20:17then that maps to pleasure but when you are just gently smiling that's ananda joy
20:24baba ji
20:27baba watch
20:29no sir no
20:33it's not that way
20:35pur pakshi baba ji
20:38he has his own argument see
20:39he claims this is joy look at his face this is not joy
20:51remember claiming to be joyful is like claiming to be deeply asleep
20:57you are lying
20:58the joyful one is just sahaj
21:06sahaj
21:09one with existence
21:13not separate therefore not desirous
21:18not desirous therefore very spontaneous
21:23you are getting it
21:39classically the thing that you referred to is called Chakshu Vilas Chakshu Bhog
21:43indriya bhog all the senses have their own channels for consumption no every sense is
21:55de facto a separate channel for consumption so you can consume on through eyes also you
22:01know that very well right you come from lakhanav 18 year old popular culture will not allow
22:07you to easily consume through your other senses so in lakhanav you consume more through just
22:13this
22:14you can go there and look at a few pretty faces and consume through eyes that's not that
22:41pleasure is when the eyes are looking for joy is when the eyes are just looking when you
22:58already know that you want a particular object when the object in question is already a thing
23:09of a previous experience then the maximum you can get is pleasure you're looking for repetition
23:20enjoy you are just looking there is no desire because there is nobody to desire so the sense
23:29is just operating without anybody to be fulfilled from the sense there is a vacuum in the eyes
23:44the eyes are operating but without and then the eyes can see very clearly Krishna calls that
23:51as being nirmal indriya whereas when the eyes are operating from a center of desire the eyes
23:58the eyes cannot see thing the world is very afraid of eyes that do not want people almost collapse if you look at them with desire they will know this fellow belongs to our own class
24:05or tribe he is one like us I have desire this fellow too has desire but if you just look at them they shiver and almost
24:20People almost collapse.
24:23If you look at them with desire, they will know this fellow belongs to our own clan, our tribe, he is one like us.
24:30I have desire, this fellow too has desire.
24:32But if you just look at them, they shiver and almost collapse.
24:38That is the power of desirelessness.
24:41The desirous mind cannot face somebody who doesn't have desire.
24:50And it's not a moral virtue or something not having desire.
24:54It's a consequence, you very well know.
24:57Where does Nishkamata come from? Atma Gyan.
25:01If you know yourself, then you also know it is foolish to run after that thing.
25:07We are not talking morality here.
25:14We are talking practicality.
25:17That's rat poison and I am not even a rat.
25:47Oh, my God.
25:48It's impossible to die.
25:49Inști su chuva,
25:52there is no blessing for any luxury,
25:54mercy for our orphanages.
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