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  • 4/18/2025
The former governor of RBI talks about the economic impact of the pandemic and trends like cryptocurrencies that India should focus on.

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00:00The extent of the lockdown in India was very severe.
00:11And as a result, activity fell to lows that haven't been seen historically in India, but
00:17also elsewhere in the world, which means that once you let go, there will be a sharp recovery
00:26for some time.
00:27I mean, I've seen numbers, for example, retail car sales went down to zero.
00:32Well, obviously, once you open up, you're going to get car sales picking up.
00:37The question is, how far up does it go?
00:40And that depends on two or three things.
00:43One, of course, it depends on the pace of opening up.
00:45Are you opening up all parts of the country quickly?
00:48Are you opening up every business?
00:50Because if people don't have jobs, people aren't working, people aren't getting salaries,
00:55they don't have the ability to consume.
00:57So opening up is one important factor.
01:02Second is whether the factories that open up can produce because their supply chains
01:08may be in places that aren't exporting to them, they may be in parts of the country
01:12that haven't opened up.
01:14So you need as much as the demand side, you need the supply side to come back up also.
01:19And the third factor is consumer behaviour.
01:22Are people sort of so shell-shocked by this, that they change their behaviour and don't
01:28want to spend because they fear that it may come back, it may come back in a bigger way,
01:33or something else may happen?
01:35We should not be fooled by the pent-up demand that we see in the short run.
01:41Yes, agricultural demand is there.
01:42Yes, there's pent-up demand.
01:44Some factories are very happy in the short run.
01:47The question is, once that pent-up demand goes, is there going to be something behind it?
01:53And that's the big worry.
01:59Certainly our young population gives us the scope to do a lot of things quite differently.
02:05And the pandemic has highlighted different ways of working.
02:08Some of India's capabilities can be augmented through distance learning done more effectively.
02:13The university I'm associated with, Kriya University, has gone online over the last
02:18quarter, and next year will largely be online till we get the virus sort of fixed.
02:25So given that, I mean, that opens up a huge set of opportunities, right?
02:30Why can't we teach not just in India, but elsewhere in the world?
02:33Let's first start teaching in India effectively.
02:37Can we teach a lot of kids who are left out of the sort of elite system with good material
02:45and with good teachers?
02:46But also, can we expand that outside?
02:49Telemedicine, can we start offering medical services across the globe?
02:53I mean, a lot of people can't actually get to see a doctor, but a lot of consultation
02:58now has moved online, initial consultation, where some machine takes BP and takes, you
03:05know, the stethoscope, but the doctor gets the reading and then asks you your various
03:09symptoms and diagnoses you.
03:11So can we do more of that?
03:12Now, in all these, you know, we have certainly strong resources, but our country also needs
03:18a lot more of it.
03:19We need a lot more doctors to attend to Indian problems.
03:22So can we do telemedicine in India?
03:24Can doctors in Mumbai treat today patients in Bihar, which is having an outbreak of the
03:31virus?
03:32So can we learn from this?
03:35If we can create a market for our services globally, we can leapfrog the manufacturing
03:40stage, which we haven't really picked up so much on.
03:43We still do need manufacturing to create the jobs for many people.
03:47But can we add high quality services across the world?
03:54Contained experimentation has always been my view, which is why when cryptos came out
04:00initially, and there was more of a wave in favor of them, the RBI in my time basically
04:08said be careful, but didn't ban the cryptos at that point.
04:12And I think that, you know, going forward, what we see today is the Chinese Central Bank
04:17is going to come out with this Chinese digital currency.
04:22And if other countries are coming up, India will have to explore this going forward.
04:27The possibility of a rupee digital currency.
04:31Now there are lots of problems with a digital currency also that they're not, I mean, including
04:36the technology, the possibility of hacking the, you know, the question of information.
04:44The central bank gets all the data on what transactions you make.
04:48On the one hand, that's good for the tax authorities.
04:50On the other hand, it's bad for, you know, privacy.
04:53So what kinds of structures over and above the technology do we put in place?
05:00And should it be the central bank which issues the digital currency, or should you have a
05:05variety of private digital currencies, or can you have both, a hybrid model?
05:10Certainly, I would say this is a good time for us to start thinking about how we move
05:17into this area.
05:18What is interesting is, of course, the reduction in transaction costs, but also the ability
05:24to use data effectively.
05:25I mean, if you can use data for inclusion, for enhancing credit growth to sectors of
05:33the economy that are excluded right now, because you can monitor their transactions better,
05:38that's a good use of the data.
05:40And so there are possibilities created by cryptocurrencies, including central bank digital
05:45currencies.
05:46Not all of them should have the same structure as Bitcoin.

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