"When TTP Talks About Creating a State Within a State, What Is There to Discuss with Them...," Rana Ihsan Afzal

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00:00Mr. Rana, please tell us about the other side of the issue.

00:04The way the Indian media propagated this issue.

00:08Any incident of terrorism should be condemned.

00:12But the way you mentioned, they were jubilant about it.

00:16They were not concerned about how innocent they could be.

00:20Secondly, the social media handlers, the different accounts we saw,

00:24especially the way Indian propaganda was being towed,

00:28what are your thoughts on it?

00:32I understand that this is a narrative building.

00:36I remember we were told, and we heard it too,

00:40that this is terrorism because we are supporting America.

00:45And because we are part of their war on terror,

00:49so it is terrorism in Pakistan.

00:51And we used to say that we are not part of it.

00:54We are eliminating our country's no-go areas.

00:57We are eliminating the extremist elements.

00:59But this was such a popular slogan.

01:01So when America is not in this whole region,

01:04neither is it in Afghanistan, nor is it in Pakistan.

01:07It is not even close.

01:08But terrorism has taken hold again.

01:10Then we said, because we were part of America's war,

01:15so if we talk to them now, these matters will cool down.

01:19And we said we will resettle them.

01:21And then we resettled them.

01:23We even offered them to open their offices.

01:26So you can easily make political statements out of this.

01:31You are saying today that because this is being held,

01:34there is attention there, there is no attention here.

01:36Pakistan's army is shedding blood every day.

01:40It is giving martyrdom.

01:42Today you ask what is the agenda of the TTP.

01:45They have a very clear-cut agenda.

01:47They want to make a state in a state.

01:49They want to establish their own system.

01:51They do not believe in these borderlines.

01:54So will you negotiate with them?

01:56Will you talk to them?

01:58And when you talked to them, did the results come in front of you?

02:01So when you give political statements for your political interests,

02:06or when you give wrong statements to your cult followers in Pakistan,

02:12then we are not in favor of Pakistan.

02:15We are harming them.

02:17And as much as I see this happening on social media,

02:20obviously our enemies will highlight this.

02:24They will give a different twist.

02:26They will spread confusion.

02:27There is no confusion.

02:28These terrorists, their agendas are very clear.

02:31They get money.

02:32They get training.

02:34This is an entire system that is being run to destabilize Pakistan.

02:39And behind this is the regional powers, India.

02:42Behind this is Afghanistan.

02:44Their agendas are very clear-cut.

02:46Like you said, some are in Switzerland, some are elsewhere.

02:49This is an entire system that is being run.

02:51Look, is poverty not in Punjab?

02:54Is it not in Sindh?

02:55Is it not in other countries?

02:57When you simplify this, you say that these will also be issues.

03:02We have to deal with them.

03:03But the overlying picture, the bottom line,

03:06is that these transnational elements are supporting this.

03:11They are supporting these terrorist organizations.

03:15When they are using the land there,

03:18they are using the local elements here to carry out terrorism.

03:25Against Pakistan.

03:26Against Pakistan, absolutely.

03:28Okay.

03:29Mr. Humayun, this Indian propaganda,

03:33since yesterday I have been seeing on different websites,

03:35TV channels, social media,

03:38how they were celebrating this.

03:41We did not do it.

03:44When the Mumbai attacks happened in 2008,

03:47we condemned it.

03:49We told them to support the Indian government and everything.

03:53But here we see that they support any cause that is against Pakistan.

03:59So what would you like to comment on that?

04:01The role of the Indian media,

04:03or the overall role of India in all this.

04:09Look, India's role, unfortunately,

04:13it is very bad.

04:16Not just here, but in every way.

04:18Actually, they have hatred for us in their hearts.

04:21When you have hatred in your heart,

04:24then you don't see what is right and what is wrong.

04:28You remove your hatred.

04:31This hatred is only for Pakistan in their hearts.

04:34There is no reason for it.

04:36But why is there hatred?

04:37There is no reason for hatred.

04:39There is always a reason.

04:40I mean, you see that they do bad things to us.

04:43In hatred, the reason ends.

04:47See, this hatred, this anger, all these things,

04:51this is why it is called unlikable in Islam.

04:55Reasoning ends in this.

04:58You don't see its goodness, you don't see anything of it.

05:02You only see evil.

05:03You see evil in their goodness too.

05:05Okay, I want to comment on another thing.

05:07Now, Maria Sahiba has said everything.

05:09If you take all the salient features from what she has said,

05:14then she said that there should be no persecution,

05:17that there should be political stability,

05:19that there should be justice,

05:21which means that the law should be good,

05:24she said the same thing.

05:25So, if you take these basic fundamental things,

05:29and start correcting them,

05:31then these signs and symptoms will start getting better.

05:34If you only treat the signs and symptoms,

05:37your disease will never get better.

05:39That disease will be born again and again.

05:41And I agree with her 100%.

05:44This is not just terrorism.

05:48We have also done it for our own interests.

05:52Like they have mentioned Lewai,

05:54that 90%, they said 80%,

05:56but 90% of the areas are under Lewai.

05:59It comes in category B, or B areas.

06:02Now, if you look at that place,

06:04the regional politicians there,

06:07they don't even want that,

06:09this was reversed in 2010,

06:11which was said in Musharraf's time,

06:13that they will be made an area.

06:15So, whether we are doing it ourselves or not,

06:18we will have to go and see for ourselves.

06:22There is no doubt about many things.

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