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"When TTP Talks About Creating a State Within a State, What Is There to Discuss with Them...," Rana Ihsan Afzal
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3/13/2025
"When TTP Talks About Creating a State Within a State, What Is There to Discuss with Them...," Rana Ihsan Afzal
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00:00
Mr. Rana, please tell us about the other side of the issue.
00:04
The way the Indian media propagated this issue.
00:08
Any incident of terrorism should be condemned.
00:12
But the way you mentioned, they were jubilant about it.
00:16
They were not concerned about how innocent they could be.
00:20
Secondly, the social media handlers, the different accounts we saw,
00:24
especially the way Indian propaganda was being towed,
00:28
what are your thoughts on it?
00:32
I understand that this is a narrative building.
00:36
I remember we were told, and we heard it too,
00:40
that this is terrorism because we are supporting America.
00:45
And because we are part of their war on terror,
00:49
so it is terrorism in Pakistan.
00:51
And we used to say that we are not part of it.
00:54
We are eliminating our country's no-go areas.
00:57
We are eliminating the extremist elements.
00:59
But this was such a popular slogan.
01:01
So when America is not in this whole region,
01:04
neither is it in Afghanistan, nor is it in Pakistan.
01:07
It is not even close.
01:08
But terrorism has taken hold again.
01:10
Then we said, because we were part of America's war,
01:15
so if we talk to them now, these matters will cool down.
01:19
And we said we will resettle them.
01:21
And then we resettled them.
01:23
We even offered them to open their offices.
01:26
So you can easily make political statements out of this.
01:31
You are saying today that because this is being held,
01:34
there is attention there, there is no attention here.
01:36
Pakistan's army is shedding blood every day.
01:40
It is giving martyrdom.
01:42
Today you ask what is the agenda of the TTP.
01:45
They have a very clear-cut agenda.
01:47
They want to make a state in a state.
01:49
They want to establish their own system.
01:51
They do not believe in these borderlines.
01:54
So will you negotiate with them?
01:56
Will you talk to them?
01:58
And when you talked to them, did the results come in front of you?
02:01
So when you give political statements for your political interests,
02:06
or when you give wrong statements to your cult followers in Pakistan,
02:12
then we are not in favor of Pakistan.
02:15
We are harming them.
02:17
And as much as I see this happening on social media,
02:20
obviously our enemies will highlight this.
02:24
They will give a different twist.
02:26
They will spread confusion.
02:27
There is no confusion.
02:28
These terrorists, their agendas are very clear.
02:31
They get money.
02:32
They get training.
02:34
This is an entire system that is being run to destabilize Pakistan.
02:39
And behind this is the regional powers, India.
02:42
Behind this is Afghanistan.
02:44
Their agendas are very clear-cut.
02:46
Like you said, some are in Switzerland, some are elsewhere.
02:49
This is an entire system that is being run.
02:51
Look, is poverty not in Punjab?
02:54
Is it not in Sindh?
02:55
Is it not in other countries?
02:57
When you simplify this, you say that these will also be issues.
03:02
We have to deal with them.
03:03
But the overlying picture, the bottom line,
03:06
is that these transnational elements are supporting this.
03:11
They are supporting these terrorist organizations.
03:15
When they are using the land there,
03:18
they are using the local elements here to carry out terrorism.
03:25
Against Pakistan.
03:26
Against Pakistan, absolutely.
03:28
Okay.
03:29
Mr. Humayun, this Indian propaganda,
03:33
since yesterday I have been seeing on different websites,
03:35
TV channels, social media,
03:38
how they were celebrating this.
03:41
We did not do it.
03:44
When the Mumbai attacks happened in 2008,
03:47
we condemned it.
03:49
We told them to support the Indian government and everything.
03:53
But here we see that they support any cause that is against Pakistan.
03:59
So what would you like to comment on that?
04:01
The role of the Indian media,
04:03
or the overall role of India in all this.
04:09
Look, India's role, unfortunately,
04:13
it is very bad.
04:16
Not just here, but in every way.
04:18
Actually, they have hatred for us in their hearts.
04:21
When you have hatred in your heart,
04:24
then you don't see what is right and what is wrong.
04:28
You remove your hatred.
04:31
This hatred is only for Pakistan in their hearts.
04:34
There is no reason for it.
04:36
But why is there hatred?
04:37
There is no reason for hatred.
04:39
There is always a reason.
04:40
I mean, you see that they do bad things to us.
04:43
In hatred, the reason ends.
04:47
See, this hatred, this anger, all these things,
04:51
this is why it is called unlikable in Islam.
04:55
Reasoning ends in this.
04:58
You don't see its goodness, you don't see anything of it.
05:02
You only see evil.
05:03
You see evil in their goodness too.
05:05
Okay, I want to comment on another thing.
05:07
Now, Maria Sahiba has said everything.
05:09
If you take all the salient features from what she has said,
05:14
then she said that there should be no persecution,
05:17
that there should be political stability,
05:19
that there should be justice,
05:21
which means that the law should be good,
05:24
she said the same thing.
05:25
So, if you take these basic fundamental things,
05:29
and start correcting them,
05:31
then these signs and symptoms will start getting better.
05:34
If you only treat the signs and symptoms,
05:37
your disease will never get better.
05:39
That disease will be born again and again.
05:41
And I agree with her 100%.
05:44
This is not just terrorism.
05:48
We have also done it for our own interests.
05:52
Like they have mentioned Lewai,
05:54
that 90%, they said 80%,
05:56
but 90% of the areas are under Lewai.
05:59
It comes in category B, or B areas.
06:02
Now, if you look at that place,
06:04
the regional politicians there,
06:07
they don't even want that,
06:09
this was reversed in 2010,
06:11
which was said in Musharraf's time,
06:13
that they will be made an area.
06:15
So, whether we are doing it ourselves or not,
06:18
we will have to go and see for ourselves.
06:22
There is no doubt about many things.
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