Trump health pick Kennedy grilled by Senate Democrats over vaccine, abortion views

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29/1/2025

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00:00Good morning, this hearing will come to order.

00:05But during a podcast interview in July of 2023, you said, quote, no vaccine is safe and effective.

00:13In your testimony today, in order to prove you're not anti-vax, you note that all your kids are vaccinated.

00:21But in a podcast in 2020, you said, and I quote,

00:25you would do anything, pay anything to go back in time and not vaccinate your kids.

00:33Mr. Kennedy, all of these things cannot be true.

00:39So are you lying to Congress today when you say you are pro-vaccine?

00:45Or did you lie on all those podcasts?

00:48We have all of this on tape, by the way.

00:51Senator, as you know, because it's been repeatedly debunked,

00:57that statement that I made on the Lex Friedman podcast was a fragment of the statement.

01:02He asked me and anybody who actually goes and looks at that podcast will see this.

01:09He asked me, are there vaccines that are safe and effective?

01:12And I said to him, some of the live virus vaccines are.

01:16And I said there are no vaccines that are safe and effective.

01:20And I was going to continue for every person.

01:23Every medicine has people who are sensitive to them, including vaccines.

01:28So he interrupted me at that point.

01:31I've corrected it many times, including on national TV.

01:35You know about this, Senator Wyden.

01:37So bringing this up right now is dishonest.

01:39Let's be clear about what you've actually done then, since you want to deny your statements.

01:46For example, you have a history of trying to take vaccines away from people.

01:52In May of 2021, you petitioned the Food and Drug Administration

01:57to not only block Americans from having access to the COVID vaccine,

02:02but to prevent any future access to the life-saving vaccine.

02:08Are you denying that? Your name is on the petition.

02:12We brought that petition after CDC recommended a COVID vaccine

02:19without any scientific basis for six-year-old children.

02:25What is so disturbing to me is that out of 330 million Americans,

02:31we're being asked to put somebody in this job who has spent 50 years of his life

02:36not honoring the tradition that he talked about at the beginning of this conversation,

02:41but peddling in half-truths, peddling in false statements,

02:47peddling in theories that create doubt about whether or not things that we know are safe are unsafe.

02:57So I'm asking you yes or no, Mr. Kennedy.

03:01Did you say that COVID-19 was a genetically engineered bioweapon

03:06that targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people?

03:12I didn't say it was deliberately targeted.

03:15I just quoted an NIH-funded, an NIH-published study.

03:23Did you say that it targets black and white people but spared Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people?

03:28I quoted a study, Your Honor.

03:30I quoted an NIH study that showed that certain races are disproportionately…

03:34I'll take that as a yes. I have to move on.

03:36Did you say that Lyme disease is highly likely a materially engineered bioweapon?

03:44I made sure I put in the highly likely.

03:47Did you say Lyme disease is a highly likely militarily engineered bioweapon?

03:53I probably did say that.

03:56I want all of our colleagues to hear it, Mr. Kennedy.

04:00I want them to hear it. You said yes.

04:02Did you say that exposure to pesticides causes children to become transgender?

04:08No, I never said that.

04:10Okay, I have the record that I'll give to the chairman and he can make his judgment about what you said.

04:15Did you write in your book, and it's undeniable,

04:20that African AIDS is an entirely different disease from Western AIDS?

04:26Yes or no, Mr. Kennedy?

04:28I'm not sure if I…

04:30Okay, I'll give it to the chairman, Mr. Kennedy, and my final question.

04:34Did you say on a podcast, and I quote,

04:37I wouldn't leave it, abortion, to the states.

04:41My belief is we should leave it to the woman.

04:44We shouldn't have the government involved even if it's full term.

04:48Did you say that, Mr. Kennedy?

04:50Senator, I believe that every abortion is a tragedy.

04:53Did you say it, Mr. Kennedy?

04:55This matters. It doesn't matter what you come here and say that isn't true,

05:01that's not reflective of what you really believe,

05:04that you haven't said over decade after decade after decade,

05:07because unlike other jobs we're confirming around this place,

05:10this is a job where it is life and death.

05:14Did you say it, Mr. Kennedy?

05:16I believe…

05:17This matters. It doesn't matter what you come here and say that isn't true,

05:22that's not reflective of what you really believe,

05:25that you haven't said over decade after decade after decade,

05:28because unlike other jobs we're confirming around this place,

05:31this is a job where it is life and death.

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