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00:00that Josh McDaniels will be the next offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots

00:06and it is that you are going back in time.

00:09You are reliving a period of time that was successful here

00:15but you're not moving forward.

00:17You are Doc Browning your choice when it comes to offensive coordinator here,

00:22which I don't understand.

00:23I mean, I get Shyam's point.

00:24I really don't.

00:25It's about the member berries, that's all. They're just feeding on your nostalgia.

00:28Okay, but the man was very successful.

00:31With Tom Brady.

00:32With Tom Brady, yes.

00:34But why would you suggest that there would be an outcome otherwise when he has Drake May?

00:41Every other place he's ever been, he's stunk or been mediocre at best.

00:47Okay.

00:48You can do things that clearly you were unable to do with the greatest of all time.

00:55Right.

00:56When it comes to RPOs, whatever your design quarterback runs.

01:01The last quarterback he had to do that.

01:03Who was that? Cam Newton.

01:04Where did they rank that year in offense?

01:06Oh yeah, 26th.

01:07I just don't know why you can't let go and just trust Vrabel.

01:11If you've got guys like Bill O'Brien trusting him, saying he's a good offensive coordinator,

01:15you've got guys like Mike Vrabel saying that,

01:17and this is no offense to you, but how does Shyam know better?

01:21I don't know better than Vrabel and Billy O.

01:24This is simply an opinion.

01:25That's all.

01:26They know all those stats.

01:28They know his resume.

01:29I just don't know why Mike Vrabel would set himself up for failure.

01:32I also don't think this is a Vrabel choice though.

01:34I think this is a craft.

01:35That the defensive coordinator is.

01:37Right.

01:38Just like with Mayo last year.

01:39Right.

01:40To defend Shyam in this regard, if Mike Vrabel said,

01:43I want 15 million a year and Kraft said,

01:46okay, well then we're going to hire McDaniels because he's cheap.

01:49That'll be the deal.

01:50Or if you want 13 million, you can get an extra two.

01:52You know what I'm saying?

01:53This could all be part of a negotiation,

01:55whereas Shyam's goals are not the same as the organization,

01:58which is he just wants the best offense with the best coach and the best players,

02:02whereas it's a business and Kraft is investing in the head coach and saving money with the O.C.

02:06Because did they also, or they're just in talks,

02:10did they also hire the running back coach from the Jets?

02:13Tony Dews.

02:14It looks like he is going to be joining the staff as well, yes.

02:16So if you look at the defensive coordinator, he was with Vrabel in Tennessee,

02:22Vrabel's whole time there.

02:24If you now look at the running back coach, he was with Vrabel in Tennessee.

02:27So Vrabel is starting to bring a lot of these guys, his guys.

02:31And we talked about this last year with Mayo,

02:33Mayo not having the ability to do that on offense.

02:36I just don't think Mike Vrabel would have taken this job if he didn't have a say

02:40in who his coordinators are going to be.

02:43But Curtis, I think Curtis is spot on.

02:47He probably does have a quote-unquote say, but his budget is limited.

02:52These guys that he's signing that used to be his guys don't need to be paid a ton of money.

02:56And then he got a ton of money, and now he can't afford to spend a lot of money

03:00on an offensive coordinator, like a really good one, successful one,

03:03that could be a young, upcoming guy, anybody in the league,

03:06and instead has to cheap out on Josh McDaniel.

03:09It's kind of a slight against Vrabel.

03:10The more you talk, it's saying, okay, so I'm selfish.

03:13I wanted $15 million, so they gave me all of that.

03:16And now I'm screwing the team?

03:18What Bill Belichick did for years.

03:20He took the bulk of the money and then paid his assistants peanuts.

03:24Yeah, I mean, I might be an idiot, but I just don't think that Robert Kraft,

03:29he learned his lesson.

03:31I think he learned his lesson with Gerard Mayo last season,

03:35and I think he is willing, was willing to pay Mike Vrabel essentially what he wanted

03:41and then to put the people around him that Mike Vrabel wanted.

03:44So I think you were right up until that point, Greg.

03:47You're right.

03:48He was willing to pay Vrabel whatever he wanted, but then like, okay, Vrabel,

03:51this is how much you're getting.

03:52Now you're on a budget with your other assistants.

03:54Well, I would ask this question to the room, to be honest,

03:57is if Mike Vrabel's the head coach, right, he's the head coach,

04:02and we would say, would you have, where would you rank Josh McDaniels

04:08before Vrabel even brings up Josh McDaniels?

04:12Where would you rank Josh McDaniels as a Patriots offensive coordinator

04:17and wanting to see him?

04:19Would he have been in your top five?

04:21Are you talking about all time?

04:22No, no, I'm just saying when Vrabel.

04:24I like the familiarity that he has with the organization.

04:28I like that because I think that gives somebody a leg up.

04:31I like the fact that he's done it.

04:33He's done it for a long time.

04:35There were other guys out there that have done it, Greg.

04:37There were other guys out there that have done it before.

04:39You are obsessed with shiny new objects.

04:41I understand that.

04:42Greg, like there's guys out there who have done it before,

04:44like Frank Reich or Chip Kelly.

04:46Like there's other names out there who have done it before.

04:49Boomer's up.

04:50Yeah, exactly, that could have been interviewed.

04:53Instead, they interviewed a 29-year-old in Gabe Udinski

04:58and the Minnesota Vikings,

05:00and then the two guys to basically appease the Rooney rule

05:03in Thomas Brown and Marcus Brady.

05:04Yeah, those were all fake because they knew that they were going to get Josh McDaniels.

05:07Which is the issue, Courtney.

05:09That's what nobody seems to understand.

05:11Okay, but that was the same thing with Vrabel,

05:12and I know you weren't okay with that.

05:14So it's just clear that you aren't happy with the way in which the franchise

05:17has decided to go when it comes to coaching,

05:19and you keep going back to Brady, Brady, Brady.

05:21But we're forgetting that Josh McDaniels and Mack Jones,

05:24even though I hate to say it,

05:25he brought him pretty far his rookie season.

05:27So I just...

05:28With like a top five defense.

05:30Okay.

05:31I guess I'm asking...

05:32What are we doing?

05:33Greg, let me ask you this.

05:34Mack Jones looked incredible compared to his...

05:37Against a cupcake schedule for like nine weeks

05:40and then was awful in the back half of the season.

05:43Sean, let me ask this question to Greg, Courtney, Curtis.

05:47So when Vrabel gets hired,

05:50do you have McDaniels in your top five wishlist offensive coordinates?

05:56Yes.

05:57Yeah, I would.

05:58Yeah.

05:59Okay.

06:00So you would, Courtney?

06:01Yep.

06:02I would because it's easy.

06:03It's plug and play.

06:04Okay.

06:05And the less complicated it is...

06:06All right.

06:07...based on every other thing that you got to fix around here,

06:09I would, yeah.

06:11Can I ask how it's plug and play?

06:13Sean, let me ask one more...

06:14I just want a clarification.

06:15Sean, let me say one more thing on this.

06:17So you wanted Josh McDaniels last year with Mayo?

06:22Yes, I would have preferred him to Alex Vrabel.

06:24Okay.

06:25I'm just asking the question.

06:26Yes, yes, yes.

06:27Can I just ask how it's plug and play?

06:29Like Drake May still needs to learn the new offense, right?

06:32So it's not necessarily plug and play.

06:34It's just a guy that's been here before,

06:37which is, again, my whole point.

06:39And it's like everybody's just obsessed with the member berries.

06:41Like it's like, oh, yeah, Josh McDaniels was here,

06:43and it was great when he was here because Tom Brady was winning everything.

06:46And then when he wasn't and when Tom Brady wasn't here,

06:49and even in Tom Brady's final year, it wasn't that great.

06:52This is Tim from Hanover.

06:54Hello, Tim.

06:56Good morning, guys.

06:57Hey, I just wanted to chime in.

06:59I think Vrabel was a great choice, but the thing is,

07:02the key was the offensive coordinator.

07:04I've always liked McDaniels, but I'll tell you what, he's stagnant now.

07:09He doesn't open up that playbook like a lot of these other guys are doing

07:13in the NFL.

07:14You've got to go with the times, man.

07:17Open this game up, and I think they made a mistake.

07:20If Vrabel is the guy that's limiting the head coach to do what he's got to do,

07:26then they're going backwards again.

07:27They're not going to do what they want, and they're going to have the same issues.

07:30Were there any other guys available in the role who were three-time

07:35Super Bowl winners?

07:36Oh, my God.

07:37Here we go.

07:38Three-time Super Bowl winner thanks to Tom Brady.

07:41What are we doing?

07:43Like what are we doing?

07:44I'm sorry.

07:46Greg, what did he ever win without Tom Brady, ever?

07:49He was not a great head coach.

07:51Or an offensive coordinator.

07:52When he had a stint with the Rams, they canned his ass.

07:55I do think the difficulty for the Gregs of the world is to accept the foundation

07:59of this argument because it goes to the root of the former head coach's success

08:04and failure.

08:05So Josh and Bill have both not been great outside of the first half

08:11of Matt Jones' rookie year, absent the greatest quarterback of all time.

08:16So I think that Josh McDaniels, as Bill Belichick did, learned over time.

08:22I think if Bill was back in the NFL, he would make changes that he may have

08:25learned from his last four years with the Patriots.

08:28And I think Josh is the right hire because he knows everything about this place.

08:32He's someone that is worked with or around the very people that Vrabel has.

08:37I don't think there's going to be a rivalry between those two.

08:40Mike Vrabel is deeply, deeply confident when it comes to running a football team.

08:45And if they spend less money on the O.C., I'm giving them the opportunity

08:50to show me they'll spend more on the players.

08:52If they don't, then we will get on Robert Kraft.

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