Bani PTI Kaise Bahar Ayenge? Ather Kazmi Aur Muneeb Farooq Ne Ahm Khabrein Dein

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00:00Muneeb, regarding the talks and negotiations,

00:04first of all, I would like to ask,

00:06is Muktadara on board with PMLN?

00:10And they use the word of consultation.

00:13Consultations are often held.

00:16And how authoritative is this committee,

00:19the Government Negotiating Committee?

00:21Look, this government is also acting

00:24as a representative of the Muktadara of Pakistan.

00:28So, what can I say about the consultation?

00:32But definitely, the Government Committee

00:36is fully on board with the establishment of Pakistan.

00:40That is, the establishment knows what is happening.

00:43And there is no pressure from the establishment of Pakistan.

00:48In fact, regarding these negotiations,

00:51PM of Pakistan has been said at many places

00:56that if these negotiations are carried out

00:59with justice and compliance,

01:01then they will be purely on political grounds.

01:04No other element will be involved in this.

01:07And the establishment itself can't do it anyway.

01:10And keep one thing in mind,

01:12that if there was a lot of desperation in these negotiations,

01:16or if there was something urgent to be addressed,

01:20then you would see Mohsin Naqvi Sahib in these negotiations.

01:24As you know, when the Khyber Pakhtunkhwad is coming,

01:27Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is interacting.

01:29Why? Because it is a matter of law and order.

01:32You have to talk to Ghandapur Sahib.

01:34Okay, you come here, don't come here.

01:36Why are you coming? Okay, come here.

01:38Don't do this, don't do that.

01:40This type of talk.

01:41Then when the stick and stick has to be used,

01:43Mohsin Naqvi Sahib comes and tells that

01:45whatever will happen after this, you are responsible for it.

01:48So, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is not in this committee.

01:51So, this indication is very clear to you

01:53that this committee will move at a special speed.

01:56And some people like Rana Sadaullah Sahib are very hopeful

02:00that there will be a political dialogue.

02:02Because Rana Sadaullah Sahib himself has endured a lot.

02:05He feels that it doesn't matter

02:08if the people who are in the jails go to their homes.

02:11If there is a problem with the talks,

02:13if there is a little space for everyone,

02:15then there is no harm.

02:16But there are some people in the committee who say

02:19that nothing doing,

02:21they didn't talk to us directly.

02:23So, they should also be treated in the same way.

02:25So, it is a blend of both.

02:27But from the establishment side,

02:29where there is no objection,

02:30there is no pressure to do it.

02:32Otherwise, I don't know how the night will pass.

02:34There is nothing like that.

02:35Probably, those who are thinking

02:37that let's do this too.

02:38More or less.

02:39More, more, more.

02:40But there is nothing at stake for the government.

02:43Because what I always say,

02:45then maybe some friends feel bad.

02:47In the government, I say that the hybrid regimes,

02:49they don't need narratives.

02:51They need power.

02:52As long as there is power,

02:53and as long as it is there,

02:54then they will continue to run.

02:55When the power is on the side,

02:57then everyone falls.

02:58So, this talk went on at its own speed.

03:00So, the date of 31st January,

03:02the deadline.

03:03The deadline, let's not say,

03:04in a way,

03:05to reach the matter somewhere.

03:07So, from the PTI on 31st January,

03:09this is the conversation.

03:11There is a lot of time to be on 31st January.

03:14If you want to move forward with new matters,

03:16then spend a few months,

03:17a few weeks above that.

03:19How promising is this, you know,

03:21phase of Muzakirat?

03:23Whatever you are doing,

03:25you are spending some capital on it.

03:27As Muneeb Sahib just said,

03:29in the hybrid regimes,

03:31there is a lot of power involved.

03:33But you are also consuming power.

03:35You are also burning it.

03:37That is also a fuel.

03:38You can take it to a limit,

03:40and then it becomes useless.

03:42So, I think,

03:43there will be an effort from both sides

03:45to settle things now.

03:47To move things forward.

03:49As far as Muzakirat is concerned,

03:51surprisingly,

03:52today you told us about Khawaja Asif,

03:54where it started.

03:55Yes, yes.

03:56Two days ago,

03:57a very important person was telling me

03:59that some people in the government

04:01are very upset about this.

04:02And they will play the role of a spoiler.

04:05And they also took some names.

04:07And I am surprised that

04:09this committee,

04:10this is not made by the opposition.

04:12This is made by the Prime Minister himself.

04:14The government is doing the Muzakirat itself.

04:16And if the Minister of Defence says

04:18that we don't know where it started from,

04:20then it shows that there are a lot of issues.

04:22What I know is that

04:23one Muzakirat is happening with the committee

04:25and one Muzakirat is happening somewhere else.

04:27And that day,

04:28the people who were sitting in the committee,

04:30I can tell you about one person

04:32who was sitting inside.

04:33He told me that

04:34one or two people from the government

04:36were looking very upset.

04:38It looked like they didn't want to sit.

04:40But they are sitting.

04:42So, one,

04:43the Muzakirat is happening with this committee.

04:45The government is also getting engaged.

04:47Ali Ameen Sahib is also getting engaged.

04:49And things are going on from both sides.

04:51Closing note, Muneeb.

04:52Is there a tendency in the system

04:54to carry the burden?

04:55Or is it completely on its last stage?

04:57That's why we are talking.

04:59Why are we talking to Khan Sahib?

05:01He made the 26th of November.

05:03He made the civil disobedience.

05:05He did everything.

05:06So, why are we talking now?

05:07If there is no worry,

05:08if there is no panic.

05:09Look, there is a consensus on both sides

05:11that the political crisis

05:13cannot go on like this.

05:15Some people sitting in the government also have this.

05:17Whenever Imran Khan Sahib will come out,

05:19he will come under a deal.

05:21There will be a deal,

05:22an understanding

05:23under which he will come out.

05:25And I just want to say

05:27that my dear brother,

05:29Atif Qadmi Sahib,

05:31I have a brotherly relationship with him.

05:35I will not use the word disagreement with him.

05:37My opinion is different.

05:39I will just say that

05:41nothing is changing

05:43which is being seen from some other angle.

05:47If you just subscribe

05:49to a view,

05:51then you can see that

05:53Tehreek-e-Insaf is very confident.

05:55The world is changing.

05:56The Trump administration is coming.

05:57And the system is running.

05:59But the system has not been running

06:01for a long time.

06:03And its problems are different.

06:05At the end of the day,

06:07when there is a legitimacy issue of a government,

06:09then there will be a political dialogue.

06:11But let me tell you again

06:13very carefully that

06:15nothing is happening

06:17because the government

06:19has lost its brain.

06:21The establishment is in a state of prostration.

06:23And everyone is running away.

06:25In fact,

06:27Americans know that

06:29if we don't do this,

06:31then maybe it will be too late.

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