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Bani PTI Kaise Bahar Ayenge? Ather Kazmi Aur Muneeb Farooq Ne Ahm Khabrein Dein
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12/28/2024
Bani PTI Kaise Bahar Ayenge? Ather Kazmi Aur Muneeb Farooq Ne Ahm Khabrein Dein
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Muneeb, regarding the talks and negotiations,
00:04
first of all, I would like to ask,
00:06
is Muktadara on board with PMLN?
00:10
And they use the word of consultation.
00:13
Consultations are often held.
00:16
And how authoritative is this committee,
00:19
the Government Negotiating Committee?
00:21
Look, this government is also acting
00:24
as a representative of the Muktadara of Pakistan.
00:28
So, what can I say about the consultation?
00:32
But definitely, the Government Committee
00:36
is fully on board with the establishment of Pakistan.
00:40
That is, the establishment knows what is happening.
00:43
And there is no pressure from the establishment of Pakistan.
00:48
In fact, regarding these negotiations,
00:51
PM of Pakistan has been said at many places
00:56
that if these negotiations are carried out
00:59
with justice and compliance,
01:01
then they will be purely on political grounds.
01:04
No other element will be involved in this.
01:07
And the establishment itself can't do it anyway.
01:10
And keep one thing in mind,
01:12
that if there was a lot of desperation in these negotiations,
01:16
or if there was something urgent to be addressed,
01:20
then you would see Mohsin Naqvi Sahib in these negotiations.
01:24
As you know, when the Khyber Pakhtunkhwad is coming,
01:27
Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is interacting.
01:29
Why? Because it is a matter of law and order.
01:32
You have to talk to Ghandapur Sahib.
01:34
Okay, you come here, don't come here.
01:36
Why are you coming? Okay, come here.
01:38
Don't do this, don't do that.
01:40
This type of talk.
01:41
Then when the stick and stick has to be used,
01:43
Mohsin Naqvi Sahib comes and tells that
01:45
whatever will happen after this, you are responsible for it.
01:48
So, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib is not in this committee.
01:51
So, this indication is very clear to you
01:53
that this committee will move at a special speed.
01:56
And some people like Rana Sadaullah Sahib are very hopeful
02:00
that there will be a political dialogue.
02:02
Because Rana Sadaullah Sahib himself has endured a lot.
02:05
He feels that it doesn't matter
02:08
if the people who are in the jails go to their homes.
02:11
If there is a problem with the talks,
02:13
if there is a little space for everyone,
02:15
then there is no harm.
02:16
But there are some people in the committee who say
02:19
that nothing doing,
02:21
they didn't talk to us directly.
02:23
So, they should also be treated in the same way.
02:25
So, it is a blend of both.
02:27
But from the establishment side,
02:29
where there is no objection,
02:30
there is no pressure to do it.
02:32
Otherwise, I don't know how the night will pass.
02:34
There is nothing like that.
02:35
Probably, those who are thinking
02:37
that let's do this too.
02:38
More or less.
02:39
More, more, more.
02:40
But there is nothing at stake for the government.
02:43
Because what I always say,
02:45
then maybe some friends feel bad.
02:47
In the government, I say that the hybrid regimes,
02:49
they don't need narratives.
02:51
They need power.
02:52
As long as there is power,
02:53
and as long as it is there,
02:54
then they will continue to run.
02:55
When the power is on the side,
02:57
then everyone falls.
02:58
So, this talk went on at its own speed.
03:00
So, the date of 31st January,
03:02
the deadline.
03:03
The deadline, let's not say,
03:04
in a way,
03:05
to reach the matter somewhere.
03:07
So, from the PTI on 31st January,
03:09
this is the conversation.
03:11
There is a lot of time to be on 31st January.
03:14
If you want to move forward with new matters,
03:16
then spend a few months,
03:17
a few weeks above that.
03:19
How promising is this, you know,
03:21
phase of Muzakirat?
03:23
Whatever you are doing,
03:25
you are spending some capital on it.
03:27
As Muneeb Sahib just said,
03:29
in the hybrid regimes,
03:31
there is a lot of power involved.
03:33
But you are also consuming power.
03:35
You are also burning it.
03:37
That is also a fuel.
03:38
You can take it to a limit,
03:40
and then it becomes useless.
03:42
So, I think,
03:43
there will be an effort from both sides
03:45
to settle things now.
03:47
To move things forward.
03:49
As far as Muzakirat is concerned,
03:51
surprisingly,
03:52
today you told us about Khawaja Asif,
03:54
where it started.
03:55
Yes, yes.
03:56
Two days ago,
03:57
a very important person was telling me
03:59
that some people in the government
04:01
are very upset about this.
04:02
And they will play the role of a spoiler.
04:05
And they also took some names.
04:07
And I am surprised that
04:09
this committee,
04:10
this is not made by the opposition.
04:12
This is made by the Prime Minister himself.
04:14
The government is doing the Muzakirat itself.
04:16
And if the Minister of Defence says
04:18
that we don't know where it started from,
04:20
then it shows that there are a lot of issues.
04:22
What I know is that
04:23
one Muzakirat is happening with the committee
04:25
and one Muzakirat is happening somewhere else.
04:27
And that day,
04:28
the people who were sitting in the committee,
04:30
I can tell you about one person
04:32
who was sitting inside.
04:33
He told me that
04:34
one or two people from the government
04:36
were looking very upset.
04:38
It looked like they didn't want to sit.
04:40
But they are sitting.
04:42
So, one,
04:43
the Muzakirat is happening with this committee.
04:45
The government is also getting engaged.
04:47
Ali Ameen Sahib is also getting engaged.
04:49
And things are going on from both sides.
04:51
Closing note, Muneeb.
04:52
Is there a tendency in the system
04:54
to carry the burden?
04:55
Or is it completely on its last stage?
04:57
That's why we are talking.
04:59
Why are we talking to Khan Sahib?
05:01
He made the 26th of November.
05:03
He made the civil disobedience.
05:05
He did everything.
05:06
So, why are we talking now?
05:07
If there is no worry,
05:08
if there is no panic.
05:09
Look, there is a consensus on both sides
05:11
that the political crisis
05:13
cannot go on like this.
05:15
Some people sitting in the government also have this.
05:17
Whenever Imran Khan Sahib will come out,
05:19
he will come under a deal.
05:21
There will be a deal,
05:22
an understanding
05:23
under which he will come out.
05:25
And I just want to say
05:27
that my dear brother,
05:29
Atif Qadmi Sahib,
05:31
I have a brotherly relationship with him.
05:35
I will not use the word disagreement with him.
05:37
My opinion is different.
05:39
I will just say that
05:41
nothing is changing
05:43
which is being seen from some other angle.
05:47
If you just subscribe
05:49
to a view,
05:51
then you can see that
05:53
Tehreek-e-Insaf is very confident.
05:55
The world is changing.
05:56
The Trump administration is coming.
05:57
And the system is running.
05:59
But the system has not been running
06:01
for a long time.
06:03
And its problems are different.
06:05
At the end of the day,
06:07
when there is a legitimacy issue of a government,
06:09
then there will be a political dialogue.
06:11
But let me tell you again
06:13
very carefully that
06:15
nothing is happening
06:17
because the government
06:19
has lost its brain.
06:21
The establishment is in a state of prostration.
06:23
And everyone is running away.
06:25
In fact,
06:27
Americans know that
06:29
if we don't do this,
06:31
then maybe it will be too late.
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