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PTI Protest Mein Ju Howa, Kya Nawaz Sharif Us Sab Say Anjaan Thay?
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12/18/2024
PTI Protest Mein Ju Howa, Kya Nawaz Sharif Us Sab Say Anjaan Thay?
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Then let's come to the other side. Yesterday, as I said, Mr. Shahid was also with me.
00:03
This idea came to me from there, so that I can explain to you where politics is going now.
00:07
But Mr. Zubair, Mr. Mian remained silent on 26th November.
00:12
Mr. Shahid thought that this is the politics of Shahbaz Sharif.
00:15
Nawaz Sharif has never done such politics.
00:17
I mean, what happened in Islamabad, the way...
00:19
So, he was very clear that Mr. Mian will be like this.
00:22
It is not possible that Mr. Mian will be like this.
00:24
But this is happening, Mr. Mian is silent.
00:26
Okay, Mr. Zubair, do you think that Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif has a role to solve the problems in the current situation?
00:34
But that role is neither visible nor is it visible.
00:37
Do you agree with both of them?
00:41
I don't agree. I'm sorry.
00:43
I agree with almost everything that Mr. Shahid Khan says.
00:47
But the benefit that he gives to Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif, that he can't do this,
00:54
that is very powerful.
00:55
You will also agree, the whole of Pakistan will agree.
00:57
He can tell Mr. Shahbaz Sharif what happened on 26th November, why it happened.
01:01
In fact, to be careful before that,
01:03
before that, the kind of situation that the government had created,
01:07
and was continuously creating,
01:09
every month, every two months, the containers that were installed,
01:12
so he knew that he was so politically intelligent,
01:15
that there would be a confrontation and there would be a fight.
01:18
So, he can play his role.
01:21
Once he gives a shut-up call to Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
01:23
he can't do anything.
01:25
I'm telling you, yesterday I told Mr. Shahid,
01:27
I agree with you,
01:29
that if Mr. Mian wants, he can play a big role,
01:35
he can solve the problems, but he doesn't want to.
01:37
Do you agree?
01:39
Secondly, one very important thing,
01:41
about Mr. Mian, I know Mr. Mian,
01:43
and I have heard this from him thousands of times,
01:45
you call your opponents your enemies.
01:49
Now, the enemy has given the status of an enemy.
01:51
The way you said, the policy of holding and pushing,
01:53
and the way the beatings are taking place,
01:55
and the way the destruction of democratic institutions is taking place,
01:59
earlier they used to say that they won't let Faiz Hamid come,
02:02
because if he becomes the prime minister,
02:04
then the situation of the constitution will deteriorate.
02:07
Is there any left in the constitution?
02:09
I mean, which one clause,
02:11
which identifies democracy,
02:18
I mean, you have closed all the ways for democratic forces.
02:22
So, Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif,
02:24
directly, if you give him the benefit,
02:26
Mr. Shahid, he can give it,
02:28
I don't think so,
02:30
I think he is in it,
02:32
and his helplessness,
02:34
has brought him to such a corner in his politics,
02:36
from where he can't get out.
02:38
Mr. Mian,
02:42
do you think Mr. Mian has a role in the current situation?
02:46
Because it seems like,
02:48
when the government has been formed,
02:50
on one hand, there is the government of Maryam Nawaz Sahiba in Punjab,
02:53
and he has to run it,
02:55
and to run it,
02:57
he has to remain silent for the reasons he has.
02:59
I don't think Mr. Shahbaz is that important for him.
03:02
As far as Punjab's government is concerned,
03:04
Mr. Mian Nawaz Sharif will remain silent,
03:06
and one day, by giving the party to Maryam Nawaz,
03:08
he will be on the political side.
03:10
Do you think this can happen in the near future?
03:13
Look Kashif,
03:15
what you are saying,
03:17
Mr. Zubair,
03:19
I agree with you,
03:21
that a lot of people
03:23
are saying,
03:25
or we are seeing,
03:27
that the doors of democracy
03:29
have been closed to a great extent,
03:31
and democracy
03:33
is a bad name.
03:35
I agree with this.
03:37
The reason is that
03:39
in the last 77 years,
03:41
we have seen a lot of times
03:43
where the voice of democracy
03:45
is being silenced,
03:47
democracy is breathing,
03:49
it is on the ventilator,
03:51
and sometimes the patient
03:53
comes out of the hospital
03:55
and is shouting
03:57
in the square.
03:59
But,
04:01
this system
04:03
was in greater danger
04:05
when it came in 2018.
04:07
Mr. Zubair,
04:10
you are right,
04:12
that in 2018,
04:14
the hybrid system
04:16
was in greater danger.
04:18
Is this correct?
04:20
Yes.
04:22
Then,
04:24
in 2018,
04:26
the person who was brought in,
04:28
and the people who were brought in,
04:30
and there was a tricot
04:32
at that time,
04:34
the Chief Justice,
04:36
the Army Chief,
04:38
the IG, ISI,
04:40
all of them brought in Imran,
04:42
and the results they got from him,
04:44
they divided the democracy,
04:46
the economy,
04:48
the state.
04:50
Sir, and after 2022,
04:52
did you improve the democracy
04:54
or did you ruin it further?
04:56
Was there a tricot at that time?
04:58
No.
05:00
In 2022,
05:02
when we came in,
05:04
we caused more damage.
05:07
We caused more damage
05:09
by saying that
05:11
to save the economy,
05:13
to save the state,
05:15
we are sacrificing our politics.
05:17
This did not benefit the state.
05:19
Yes,
05:21
our intention could have been
05:23
to benefit the state.
05:25
It was a lie.
05:27
You are speaking the truth.
05:29
Basically,
05:31
your job is to do politics.
05:33
When you make a wrong decision,
05:35
you should have gone to the elections.
05:37
Instead of going to the elections,
05:39
you decided to run the government.
05:41
You should have taken a different path.
05:43
You said, we sacrificed our politics
05:45
and saved the country.
05:47
This is wrong.
05:49
Mr. Zubair,
05:51
will you tell us
05:53
the wrong slogans you were using?
05:55
Mr. Zubair,
05:57
after listening to Mr. Zubair,
05:59
you can come back.
06:01
Mr. Zubair,
06:04
you are a witness.
06:06
I was a witness
06:08
because I was a part of the economic team.
06:10
It was said very clearly
06:12
that we will come back in 3-6 months.
06:14
Mr. Shehwaz Sharif
06:16
publicly said that
06:18
the economy will recover.
06:20
You have created such a mess
06:22
in the economy
06:24
that no one has created such a mess
06:26
in the history of Pakistan.
06:28
The people have never seen such an inflation.
06:30
The purchasing power of the people
06:32
has started to slide.
06:34
Your slogan
06:36
was wrong.
06:38
You said, we will recover the economy
06:40
and the people will stand with us.
06:42
When the economy started to deteriorate,
06:44
you started using slogans
06:46
that you came to save the country.
06:48
You are not a contractor
06:50
of the country.
06:52
Any political party
06:54
comes under the mandate of the people
06:56
and it is their responsibility
06:58
to save the country.
07:01
But the happiness of the people
07:03
is the responsibility of every government.
07:05
This is not a balancing act
07:07
that we will save the people
07:09
and create problems for the people.
07:11
We will create problems for the people
07:13
and then we will recover the country.
07:15
What was the fear of which country?
07:17
Was there a golden era in Pakistan
07:19
when Pakistan saw such a bad era
07:21
that we said that we will jump in
07:23
and we will save the country.
07:25
The country is made
07:27
with the happiness of the people.
07:29
Yes, you are right.
07:31
As I was saying,
07:33
when we came to Pakistan,
07:35
we came on the basis
07:37
that we will recover the country
07:39
but when the economy deteriorated,
07:41
we started using slogans.
07:43
This is also a part of politics.
07:45
Your slogans did not work.
07:47
This was an attempt to create problems.
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