" Agar Riyasat Ne Riyasat Ke Tor Par Khud Ko Manwana Hai Aur Qaim Rehna Hai To. .. . " Ahsan Iqbal

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00:00And sir, you talked about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in which, of course, you have also been a member of the office.

00:04So today, we saw, of course, the PTI has to march towards Islamabad.

00:07Take a look at these scenes and listen.

00:09Do you think these are good optics?

00:10Of course, if something happens, the police have to handle all the security.

00:13But the police arranged for a walk on D-Chowk.

00:16There are slogans on it.

00:17Do you think the optics are okay?

00:19Or can this situation be handled in a better way?

00:22Listen to this.

00:23I don't know if you will be able to see me or not.

00:24Listen and then give your opinion.

00:26Show it, sir.

00:30Long live Pakistan!

00:37Long live Islamabad Police!

00:39Long live IJS!

00:41Long live D-IJS!

00:44The police are marching on D-Chowk.

00:47Long live IJS! Long live Islamabad Police!

00:50Of course, there is no abuse in these slogans.

00:52I am talking about optics.

00:54Is this appropriate?

00:55Look, Waseem, you know that even in 2014,

00:59when the PTI protested,

01:01where its target was the Parliament House,

01:04where its target was the PTV,

01:06there its target was the police officers,

01:09the police soldiers and the police stations.

01:12Yes, that's right.

01:13Similarly, you know that when the people of the court

01:17went to Zaman Park to get the agreement signed,

01:22the PTI officers attacked the police with petrol bombs

01:28and the police were injured.

01:30And our current IJS officers lost their eyes

01:34and were severely injured.

01:37Similarly, when this protest came to Islamabad again,

01:41a number of police officers were injured

01:44and a policeman was killed.

01:46So, if they do anything illegal here,

01:51then their first line of defence will definitely be the police.

01:55And if any head of the police

01:58protects the country's most important government

02:02and its most important government institutions,

02:05where diplomats also live,

02:07if he has to fulfill his duty,

02:10then he has to boost their morale.

02:13Because when these people come,

02:15they will come and destroy.

02:17And every stone, every fire that will happen in the future,

02:22or whatever violence there will be,

02:24or whether they throw petrol bombs at them,

02:28or whatever things they have done in the past,

02:30then who has to face it?

02:32These police officers have to make that attack a failure.

02:35So, it is very important to boost the morale of a police force,

02:40to keep it high,

02:42so that you can protect your home.

02:46But, having said this,

02:49Waseem, I would like to say that

02:51you tell me,

02:52that the votes that have been cast in the country,

02:55if we prove all the claims of PTI right,

03:00then the votes that have been cast by PTI,

03:03more than that, at least two thirds of the votes have been against it.

03:08If 100,000 votes have been cast against PTI,

03:11then at least 300,000 to 400,000 votes have been cast against PTI.

03:15So, you tell me,

03:16that if PTI mobilises 100,000 people,

03:19and the other parties also mobilise 400,000 to 500,000 people,

03:23then we are going back to the Stone Ages,

03:26where the army was captured from Kashi.

03:30We are a nuclear country.

03:32People look at our politics.

03:34People look at our stability.

03:37I think that this attitude should be abandoned now.

03:40We should become a mature country.

03:42PTI has not accepted the results of 8th February.

03:45Today, if they ask us to return our mandate,

03:49if they say that we do not believe in this system,

03:52then first of all, you should resign from the assembly.

03:55As a result of 8th February,

03:57the relief that you have taken,

03:59the TADA that you are collecting and putting in your pockets,

04:02on one hand, you are sitting in the assembly,

04:05collecting TADA properly and putting it in your pockets,

04:08on the other hand, you are fooling people that we do not believe in this system.

04:11Even Noon League rejected the 2018 elections.

04:14They said it was RTS election.

04:16And they were sitting in the assembly.

04:18And obviously, they were collecting TADA.

04:20No, if we had said at that time,

04:22then we would have fought our case in this system.

04:25We had also come on the streets,

04:27along with Maulana, we had also come to Delhi Chowk.

04:29We said at that time that this system,

04:32even though it is rigged,

04:34we are coming under protest in this,

04:36and we believe in this system in its continuity,

04:39because we are democratic people.

04:41So whatever politics we did,

04:43we did it in the streets.

04:45We went to the courts of Pakistan and fought the case.

04:47Neither did we go to the Congress of America,

04:49nor did we go to the House of Lords of Britain,

04:52nor did we hold the feet of Congressmen and Senators,

04:55to say, my father, save us.

04:57We fought our case in Pakistan.

05:00We fought in the streets of Pakistan,

05:02and we also fought in the ground.

05:04You have made your case in the context of the politics of the streets.

05:06So if it was right for you to come to Delhi Chowk,

05:08along with Maulana,

05:10then how is it wrong for them?

05:12Look, the reason for that is,

05:14whatever protest, you tell me,

05:16how many protests has the PTI done in this country?

05:20How many?

05:21Perhaps they have made a record

05:23that all the gatherings and rallies they have done,

05:25no Jamaat has done.

05:27When they were removed from the movement,

05:29in April 2022,

05:32after that, Mr. Khan went to the rallies and rallies,

05:35and someone stopped him.

05:37But on 9th May, they changed everything.

05:40They brought 9th May back to the 2014 style of politics,

05:45and proved that they are re-emerging the full-blown politics.

05:50And when they attacked the state,

05:53now the state will answer for it.

05:55Pakistan is not a banana republic.

05:57Like I said, we are a nuclear state.

06:00People look at our stability.

06:02They see that their country is in chaos,

06:05or that there is a revolution.

06:07When PTI did this on 9th May,

06:09then 9th May changed the dynamics.

06:12Right.

06:13And are you sure

06:14that these dynamics will not change again

06:16until 2 tokes of apology are asked on 9th May,

06:19which is the official stance of the state,

06:21the official stance of the army.

06:23Or do you think that,

06:24no, Pakistan is here,

06:25anyone can change it.

06:26Or are you sure that

06:27the state's stance will not change without apology?

06:30If you want to forgive on 9th May,

06:34then forgive all those terrorists from your jail,

06:38who have attacked a police station,

06:41who have attacked a border post.

06:44Leave all of them.

06:46They attacked GHQ,

06:48they attacked Core Commander House,

06:51they burnt Jinnah House to ashes,

06:54they attacked the air bases of Pak Air Force,

06:57they attacked the intelligence institutions.

07:00No terrorist organization in Pakistan

07:04has ever targeted the security of Pakistan

07:07and the institutions of the state on this level.

07:11On this level,

07:13PTI did it on 9th May,

07:15they did it to the government property,

07:17they burnt the entire building of Radio Pakistan in Peshawar to ashes,

07:22in which there was a very precious record of the movement of Pakistan,

07:26which was lost.

07:27The speeches of Qaid-e-Azam were lost.

07:30So, after doing all this,

07:32if you say,

07:33find the soil,

07:34then you put the soil on everything,

07:36forgive all the terrorists.

07:38Do you have hope,

07:39do you believe,

07:40that the state will not find the soil,

07:43and will stand on its position?

07:45Or is this your advice to the state,

07:47that do not do this?

07:49If the state has to convince itself as a state,

07:54and has to remain stable,

07:56then the state will not have to put the soil,

07:59it will have to make a mark of example.

08:01But if the state has to put the soil,

08:03wood, stone,

08:05then be ready,

08:06next time someone will do more than this,

08:08you compromise with that too.

08:10I want to ask you this question,

08:12let's put it aside on 9th May.

08:14Mr. Khan who used to say,

08:16that they have come to do Jihad against corruption,

08:18£190 million,

08:21which Britain gave to Pakistan,

08:24is this not the reality,

08:26that instead of depositing it in the treasury of Pakistan,

08:31Mr. Khan transferred it to his friend's account,

08:35where he had to deposit the fine.

08:38Instead of that,

08:39he took bribes,

08:40instead of that,

08:41he took plots,

08:42instead of that,

08:43he took personal gain for himself.

08:45Why is there no decision being made in this case?

08:47Even today,

08:48when I am talking to you,

08:49I am talking about Totana Air Force,

08:50they have been given bail,

08:52my question is,

08:53in your time,

08:54you used to say,

08:55that the army gets influenced in the court,

08:57against the Noon League.

08:58Today it is decided,

08:59that the army is not involved with PTI.

09:01Then why is there no decision being made in the courts,

09:03against them,

09:04if there are such crystal clear cases?

09:06The only problem is,

09:08that you see in every case,

09:10our case,

09:11the reference of the Naib against me,

09:14we used to pray,

09:15that the next case should be quick,

09:17we used to pray,

09:18that the case should end quickly,

09:20because there is nothing in it,

09:22if the decision is made,

09:23then the lie will come in front of the people.

09:25These people,

09:26Mr. Khan and his lawyers,

09:28why are they using the last resort?

09:30Why don't they come on the cases?

09:32Why are they not taking part in the proceedings?

09:34Why are they putting all the cases in a hurry?

09:37Like the case of foreign funding,

09:39they dragged it for 6-7 years.

09:42Why didn't they say,

09:43that we are with you,

09:45we support you,

09:46you decide,

09:47decide on the merit.

09:48The real thing is,

09:49that they are testing the last resort,

09:51how long will they test it?

09:53Because the law is forced,

09:55that the courts have to proceed,

09:57under a regulation,

09:59and if a team,

10:01uses the last resort,

10:04then that action becomes a victim of the last resort.

10:07So these decisions have not been made,

10:09just because they are not taking part in the proceedings,

10:12but their lawyers,

10:13with the help of the last resort,

10:15keep taking some dates,

10:17keep presenting,

10:18throw a new spanner in it,

10:21like the case of foreign funding,

10:23they dragged it for many years.

10:25So if they are sure,

10:27that they are right,

10:28that they are truthful,

10:29then they come and say,

10:30listen to us every day,

10:31listen to us daily,

10:32decide on our case,

10:33then they will listen to us.

10:34Because they know,

10:35that if they listen to us quickly,

10:37then they will be punished quickly.

10:39But today,

10:40getting bail in a case,

10:42for you,

10:43for them,

10:44it is a pleasant surprise,

10:45for Halima Sahiba,

10:46for you,

10:47is it a surprise?

10:48No,

10:49it is not like that,

10:50it is the job of the court,

10:51the court can take bail,

10:52but if you read the entire order,

10:54then it says,

10:57that if they do not take part in the proceedings,

11:00then their bail can be revoked.

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