The Penguin 1x06 Inside Gold Summit (2024) The Batman spinoff series

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00:00Come episode 6, Sal and Sophia team up to align the powers that they have to get Oz.

00:12It's unthinkable. The man that she was raised to believe is their number one enemy.

00:16He's so warm to her, and ironically, fatherly.

00:20Do you want this chopped?

00:21Sure.

00:22I always thought of it as a father making a grilled cheese for his daughter late at night.

00:26When he finds out what happened to Nadia and Taj, his world falls apart.

00:31Sophia comes in and kind of rescues him from that pit of despair and gives him purpose again.

00:37The only thing he wants to do is kill that guy.

00:40It's a great strategic tactic. It puts Oz on his back foot.

00:48They're circling back near where Oz grew up in Crown Point.

00:51Crown Point, it's a good place to hide because sadly, no one in the city seems to care about Crown Point.

01:00Oz is so despicable. You've kind of given up hope of having any sympathy for him.

01:05And then you see him with his mom, and you see him so delicately and gently pull her out of the water.

01:11Here was an opportunity to really get to the crux of what their relationship was about.

01:16I need you to help me. You gotta help me die.

01:20She has to tell him that she realizes what's going on.

01:23Say you'll do it. You mean it. Because you love me.

01:27Alright. I'll do it.

01:30The helplessness of that for anyone, but for a woman like that, it's just horrifying.

01:44The reprise of the music is something that Matt came up with.

01:48They both want to go back to an earlier part of their lives, and obviously they can't.

01:55The close-ups keep you out of the realm of reality. It kind of keeps you in the world of fantasy.

02:01Even though there's the reality of his dirty fingers that you constantly see, which is, I think, a really great detail.

02:10That reminds me of our police diner. Don't it, Ma?

02:13When they come down to sit and have the breakfast together, there was this sense of a routine.

02:17Ma, we ain't gonna be here much longer. Not with all the cash we got coming in. Ain't that right, Vic?

02:22Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Big money.

02:24The writing of the scene, that was purposeful to kind of lull us into a sense of calm, like are we watching a family discussion?

02:31Thank you, sweetheart. You're a good boy.

02:34Victor feels very connected to Oz and very connected to Frances. They're his new makeshift family.

02:39He's pardoned a bit, carrying a gun, and he meets Squid again.

02:44He is a bad guy, always watching Victor.

02:47Yo, where you getting your money from, Victor?

02:49He brings up Frances. He brings up knowing that he saw this older woman.

02:55He could end up harming Frances. He could end up harming the operation, end up telling Sal and Sophia where they are.

03:02And Victor cannot let that happen.

03:04When Victor tries to go to Oz, Oz is not available emotionally.

03:08So Victor knows he has to take care of the Squid problem by himself.

03:13Where your people at?

03:15That scene, it's not covered so much in close-ups.

03:19It's a little bit wider, because you kind of want to see the relationship between the two.

03:24But the thing was, you know, when does Vic turn to the dark side?

03:28He gets to that situation, and it's not going the way he planned at all.

03:31Very quickly, he has to make a very big decision, and it's a huge turning point.

03:38There's really no going back now.

03:40He's in the life of someone that he's known for years and years and years since he was a child.

03:42I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

03:44And he sees him dying in front of him. That's not an easy thing to process at all.

03:50And then Victor goes to Oz. There's a really beautiful, lovely, quiet moment between them.

03:55You've done the right thing. Protected those you care about.

03:59I think it's a really beautiful scene. Oz sort of softens up and is there for him, because he knows that Victor needs that.

04:04That actually, I think, is one of our darker moments.

04:07It gets easier.

04:09And it's a little bit like, welcome to this life.

04:12And the fact that he says it gets easier means that you're going to kill more and more people,

04:16and you'll stop feeling what you're feeling right now.

04:26It was important to me to have Eve and Sophia meet, because I always felt like that dynamic was really intriguing.

04:32Eve has always been a little afraid of Sophia,

04:35and knew some of the women that died and presumed that Sophia is the one who killed them.

04:39What? Didn't recognize me?

04:41I don't even know how I would have approached the character had that scene not be there,

04:45because it's such a sort of deconstructed version that you get to see of her,

04:50that suddenly everything else has context.

04:52Sophia feels so free at this point that I think she looks at Eve with judgment in terms of like,

04:59how sad for you that you still have to perform, that you still have to pretend to be this thing.

05:03It was a very long scene, five pages, and we really wanted to make it as dynamic as possible.

05:08So we used the space as best we could, and we kept it moving, and we gave Kristen a reason to move,

05:15which kind of worked with the dialogue and with what she wanted to do in the scene.

05:20Dressing like this, is this for you or your client?

05:24Depends. I've never seen this version of you.

05:27Sophia gets to see Eve in a way that we've never seen her before.

05:30Completely raw, real. There's no role play happening.

05:34So she's definitely attempting, I think, to present as though this is going to be an honest exchange,

05:40while there is still part of her that's going to try her damnedest to find her way out.

05:44This woman meant nothing to you. You're family to me.

05:48You still think I'm the hangman? He never told you?

05:52My father killed those women. Osnew.

05:55And that is the turn in the scene where Kristen actually confronts her face to face for the first time,

06:00and then they finally start talking to each other.

06:03It's quite a surprise to Eve that she's been betrayed by Oz.

06:07And I think there's this very quick recalibration as to how then to handle Sophia,

06:12because if he's willing to throw me under the bus, then what am I doing protecting him?

06:19You were his alibi. You knew. None of her.

06:24None of her, yeah.

06:27Just leave my girls alone.

06:29That's why you asked me here, to save them from the hangman.

06:32That's not who you are, right?

06:35Eve and her girls may be the strongest family unit we have on the show.

06:39It breaks Sophia's heart when she realizes that Eve has more of a family than she ever will,

06:45and I think it really hits home her own loneliness, and it catches her.

06:49And I think when I see that vulnerability, there's something about the woman in me that has a moment of compassion.

06:57If I take her at her word and she isn't the hangman, then she's been no more used as I've probably been.

07:05So that puts us in the same boat.

07:08It's two women from sort of different sides of Gotham coming together and realizing something about Oz,

07:15having a connection and a bond.

07:17Throughout this show, they have been pitted against each other,

07:22but ultimately understand that all we've got is each other as women in this sort of world.

07:28We're on point.

07:29You deserve your shot, but where you got that information?

07:33It'll stay between us.

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