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The Penguin Episode 8
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11/11/2024
The Penguin Episode 8 - The Penguin 1x08 Inside A Great Or Little Thing Season Finale The Batman spinoff series
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I'm going to get you out of the Eastside, Ma, put you up somewhere real nice.
00:07
In a penthouse, like you want, with a view of the whole friggin' city.
00:19
Colin sent me The Ballad of Reading JL by Oscar Wilde, and in it, one of the quotes
00:24
is a greater little thing, and it's about how each man destroys the thing he loves.
00:29
And so, given what happens in the finale, I thought it was an apt title for it.
00:35
The top of episode eight is Frances' entree, and we finally see some of Frances' backstory
00:42
and the fact that she knew what Oswald did to her sons the whole time.
00:46
I've got the devil in my house, Rex.
00:49
Well, then maybe you let him go.
00:51
What Oz doesn't know is that she's asked Rex to kill him for her.
00:55
And so she says, we're going out, and then they go to a jazz club.
00:59
But what Oz sees that as is a celebration of, he has his mom back.
01:03
Oz sits with Frances in a booth, and he tells her, I know you miss her, Ma.
01:09
And then he turns around, and he's so happy to be with his mom.
01:14
That moment is meant to be just a gut punch, like something's wrong with this kid.
01:20
I think it's always a question of nature versus nurture.
01:24
I know Frances has shaped him, but I also know Oz shaped Frances, too.
01:29
She made a choice when she chose to keep him alive.
01:32
And so she made a deal with the devil.
01:34
So there was a darkening by Frances because of Oz as well.
01:39
Don't give up on me.
01:40
She's just like, I don't have to do this tonight.
01:43
And she just takes one step at a time.
01:46
And then we find them in this knot all those years later.
01:52
One of the things that Lauren did so brilliantly was the idea of the way that Oz understands
01:56
the story versus the way that we come to understand.
01:59
And this, of course, becomes a key aspect that Sophia ends up being able to exploit.
02:05
Sophia brings Frances back to this rundown jazz club that has a darkness that we haven't
02:13
really seen in any other instance.
02:16
It's decayed, and the chandelier's fallen from the riddler's palms from the shaking.
02:20
It's almost like an earthquake hit it.
02:22
I pitched Lauren the theme of the jungle.
02:25
Gotham is like a jungle.
02:27
It's a dangerous place.
02:28
And I felt that the club could play with that theme, but in an offensive way.
02:33
So it's a very evocative place.
02:36
Sophia has this very sophisticated group therapy session where all he has to do is this one
02:41
thing and he doesn't have the cojones to do it.
02:44
Just say it, tell her.
02:45
It's just your disease talking, ma.
02:48
I hate you.
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I hate you for what you did.
02:50
I never stopped hating you.
02:52
All these years, the sound has never come out.
02:55
It's like, my baby's are dead sound.
02:58
I shouldn't have let Rex kill you when I had the chance.
03:00
Colin and Dee Dee are both such beasts, and what they had to do and say to each other,
03:05
it's like this ultimate unmasking.
03:07
But that Sophia is witnessing him hearing things from his mother that he can never unhear.
03:12
You're the goddamn devil.
03:15
Is enormously satisfying.
03:16
There's nothing better.
03:19
Up until it all sort of goes haywire.
03:26
Sophia decides to leave Gotham behind, but first, before she goes anywhere, she needs
03:34
to hurt Oz.
03:35
It all seems great until everything goes to hell.
03:39
In thinking about where that scene should be, we ended up landing on the idea of an
03:43
airport because it was so great to see Sophia almost get away with it.
03:48
I have always said this show is a tragedy, and so that's where you really start to feel
03:52
it.
03:54
What we wanted to do is Oz drive her towards the water under a bridge.
04:00
It's the Elliott Bridge that's very emblematic of our class disparity in Gotham.
04:05
I always knew Sophia would end up back in Arkham and that there would be a final Oz
04:09
and Sophia showdown.
04:11
This is a show about Oz.
04:12
It's called The Penguin, and you know in some form he's going to rise above in some way.
04:20
It is a fate worse than death for her to go back to that place.
04:25
He really turns the tables, and there is no worse thing to happen to her.
04:29
Oz wants to hurt her in the way that she has hurt him, and in his mind, once you mess with
04:34
his mom, there's no going back.
04:37
He's going to make sure Sophia's punished.
04:44
Towards the end of the show, Victor has seen Oz at his most vulnerable.
04:48
The two of those guys have been through everything together.
04:52
Someone seeing his vulnerability feels like a weakness, and in Oz's opinion, he cannot
04:57
achieve what he needs to achieve if he has those weaknesses around.
05:01
For him to be betrayed by the person that he considers family now, after we have finally
05:06
done this thing, we got to the top of the game.
05:10
It made me, reading the scripts, go, wow, this guy's worse than I thought.
05:19
It wasn't for nothing.
05:22
The fact that he goes to such extremes because he's so broken, that's the tragedy of the story.
05:27
It's Oz really in that moment when he kills Victor, killing his own heart and becoming a monster.
05:36
Oz at the end of this show, he's not the Oz we left in the movie.
05:39
He's progressed in his criminality.
05:42
For me, it was always Oz and his mother.
05:44
Oz needs his mother's love.
05:45
He will get to the top, but he will not have his mother's love.
05:49
She ends up in a state she never wanted to be in, that he knew she never wanted to be in.
05:53
But he cannot let go of her.
05:56
The story's about having to fully stare into what that desire actually gets you, which
06:04
is less than nothing.
06:05
It all plays out through this transactional relationship where he's getting people to
06:10
play the roles in the story the way he needs them to be.
06:14
And you realize just how broken he is.
06:18
And Eve is an incredibly key aspect to that.
06:22
Eve and Oz have a very transactional relationship.
06:26
But I think they understand each other.
06:27
They're both survivors.
06:29
She is in this ultimate role play for him.
06:32
She's really taking on the energy of his mother.
06:35
She's literally taking on the wardrobe, the look.
06:39
In another situation, it would have been a romantic moment.
06:42
But in this series, it's a very dark moment.
06:45
Now the woman who Oz pays to sleep with, he's made her into his mother by wearing his mother's dress.
06:52
It was always having Eve dress up like his mother in that dress, which we established
06:57
early, and see that Oz is delusional, that there is something darker in him than you
07:02
might suspect.
07:05
I knew that the goal of the series by the end was to have him rise to the top or get
07:11
closer to that goal.
07:13
But when he achieves power, that he's lost a lot of himself as well.
07:23
I've always sought to make it feel operatic in ways, to have it feel very tragic in the end.
07:28
So even when Oz succeeds and even when Oz gets everything he wants, I wanted it to feel tragic.
07:32
And he created his own delusion in that way.
07:35
It's a very twisted, twisted way to end.
07:44
Gotham's yours, sweetheart.
07:48
Nothing's standing in your way now.
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