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Heated Argument Between Taimur Jhagra and Musadik Malik | Breaking News
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10/2/2024
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Heated Argument Between Taimur Jhagra and Musadik Malik | Breaking News
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Let's start with you. Today, the Chief Justice has said that he has no objection to the full court.
00:05
His party, people outside say that it has become very controversial.
00:09
Four judges are sitting, five judges are running the bench.
00:13
Two people are sitting, the entire roster has been decided, everything has been done.
00:17
The Chief Justice also says that the full court should sit and resolve it.
00:20
This is such a big controversy of constitutional amendments. Why don't you do it?
00:25
Why don't you request? Yes, let's have a full court.
00:29
I will say it now. I will also say it in your program.
00:32
What is this? They have not called us, nor have I presented myself.
00:35
I have presented myself to you. You have said that if the Chief Justice is agreeable,
00:40
then are we the judges? Those who are agreeable, they want to do it,
00:44
you want them to do it, Mr. Jhagda is smiling.
00:47
Even in your sentences, the judge comes. You have a lot of hearts.
00:50
This is now your contribution towards the Chief Justice.
00:53
What can I do in this?
00:56
Who is close to whom, you know this better.
00:59
I cannot comment on this.
01:02
I will only say to you that the thing that is coming in front of you today,
01:06
the procedures, the new procedures of the Supreme Court,
01:11
on which all these matters were coming, there is a need for change in it.
01:15
So what has been proven today?
01:17
It has been proven that if you make a team of three,
01:20
then one of the judges will say that this is not happening,
01:23
then the entire work of the Supreme Court should be stopped.
01:26
Until the three judges are not complete, the work of the Supreme Court will be stopped.
01:30
So the best way is that one or two judges get up,
01:33
and the work of the Supreme Court should be stopped.
01:36
No, but there was a good advice of Ali Zafar.
01:38
He said, you tell me, exactly the way you said it.
01:41
He said, one judge has got up, nor is he accusing, nor is he doing anything,
01:45
what should we do?
01:46
So he said, it is not better that you first make these rules,
01:49
make your own court rules in a day or two,
01:51
and then file a case.
01:53
But today, what Bilawal Bhutto has said,
01:55
25th October, and this is the date on which Qazi Sahib retires.
01:58
So it seems that his favourite judge is Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
02:02
Your favourite judge is Qazi Sahib.
02:05
Now your key ally is Bilawal Bhutto.
02:07
So, legitimate questions arise.
02:10
No, I don't have any questions in this.
02:12
I know Justice Mansoor Ali Shah very well.
02:17
He was in our university college at that time,
02:24
and at that time he was a very remarkable man.
02:27
And you have seen, at that time he was well-known,
02:30
and he is still well-known.
02:32
So, the legal disputes that are taking place,
02:35
or the disputes between judges,
02:38
in which a judge says that judges should not be seen as politicians,
02:44
we have not said that.
02:45
If you say, I will tell you, it is not appropriate,
02:47
but a respected judge,
02:49
sitting in a bench, addressing the rest of the bench,
02:52
said that judges should not be seen as politicians,
02:56
or judges should not form a party.
02:58
Politicians in black coats.
02:59
Yes, there are many such things.
03:02
We have not done this.
03:04
None of these things have been done by any politician.
03:07
This is what respected judges are addressing each other and saying.
03:12
So, at the place where you decide on a method,
03:15
and a judge gets up and leaves,
03:17
and the Supreme Court gets paralyzed,
03:19
at the place where a bench of 10 is formed,
03:21
then it becomes of 8, then it becomes of 5,
03:23
then it becomes of 3.5,
03:24
then they say, let's work with this.
03:26
That is, the benches that were being formed at that time were fine.
03:29
Today, if someone is saying that three new judges are being completed,
03:33
then should we stop the proceedings of the Supreme Court?
03:35
This is wrong.
03:36
Oh brother, I don't know, half is wrong,
03:38
half is right,
03:39
half is empty,
03:40
half is full,
03:41
which is empty,
03:42
which is half,
03:43
no one knows.
03:45
That is, there is a mess.
03:47
So, all those things…
03:49
There is a mess.
03:50
Everybody is…
03:51
So, all those things that I am talking about,
03:55
what are they pointing out?
03:57
That is, one gentleman says…
04:00
Pointing out that with such indecent haste,
04:04
you want to bring such serious constitutional amendments.
04:08
This is a direct issue.
04:09
With such haste…
04:10
Now, I will not say indecent to any decision,
04:13
but…
04:14
No, I am saying your haste is indecent.
04:16
I am not saying your decision.
04:17
You will say it to me,
04:18
you have called me.
04:19
Ask one question.
04:20
No, no, Taimur is my friend.
04:22
Don't ask, Taimur, you are my friend.
04:24
When PMLN comes,
04:25
why are there always issues in the Supreme Court?
04:27
Okay, let's tell this.
04:29
The Supreme Court had said the same thing about us.
04:32
No, this is a little…
04:33
No, that is why I am also…
04:34
I am returning it to you.
04:36
I am returning your question to you.
04:39
On the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
04:43
I don't know which Jamaat had written that…
04:47
No, no, a Jamaat had not written,
04:49
a reference had been sent by the President,
04:51
after signing,
04:52
that remove this Chief Justice.
04:54
They removed him.
04:55
They removed him.
04:56
Why is this in the case of PMLN?
04:57
That reference,
04:58
in the Supreme Court,
04:59
the Judicial Council,
05:00
the decisions of the judges,
05:02
the judges were making…
05:03
Which judges?
05:04
You tell me.
05:05
Which judges did you refer to?
05:06
Tell the people.
05:07
Qazi Faiz Issa.
05:08
You referred to Qazi Issa?
05:09
Doesn't that mean…
05:10
By the way, Mr. Musaddiq,
05:11
you referred to the Biography…
05:12
By the way, later you are saying
05:13
that we didn't do it,
05:14
that we did it.
05:15
No, no, one second.
05:16
Doesn't that mean
05:17
that after that,
05:18
Faiz Issa should not have a moral authority
05:19
if his life is in danger?
05:20
What is this, man?
05:21
These people are so good.
05:22
I mean,
05:23
they don't remember Saqib Nisar.
05:25
No, now you…
05:26
No, I am also remembering him.
05:27
One by one.
05:28
No, I…
05:29
No, not like this.
05:30
You didn't answer a question.
05:31
I didn't answer your question.
05:32
Not like this.
05:33
Not like this.
05:34
Sir, you didn't answer his question.
05:35
Now you are not answering his question.
05:36
No, no, not like this.
05:37
Let's finish.
05:38
Let's finish.
05:39
If you speak loudly,
05:40
I will be quiet.
05:41
If you speak loudly,
05:42
I will be quiet.
05:43
I will be quiet.
05:44
No, your question.
05:45
First,
05:46
I will answer your question.
05:47
Answer the question.
05:48
Yes, I am answering.
05:49
Sir, we have little time.
05:50
We want to focus on few things.
05:51
Do you have an answer?
05:52
Do you have an answer?
05:53
Yes, I have an answer.
05:54
If you have an answer,
05:55
then why do you ask me questions?
05:56
I am asking you
05:57
that the day
05:58
you sat down
05:59
and said Supreme Court…
06:00
If you have an answer,
06:01
why do you ask me questions?
06:02
I am answering your question.
06:03
I am not answering my question.
06:04
I am answering.
06:05
Let him answer.
06:06
Let him answer.
06:07
So, he will answer
06:08
that if 5% has been slighted,
06:09
then should they
06:10
head the benches or not?
06:11
Yes, answer.
06:12
I will be quiet.
06:13
You are here.
06:14
You called me
06:15
in his program.
06:16
No, no, you say.
06:17
You answer.
06:18
You are not speaking
06:19
in the middle of the program.
06:20
You are not hearing me.
06:21
You are not hearing me.
06:22
No, it's amazing.
06:23
I am answering your question.
06:24
He wants to be an anchor.
06:25
He works,
06:26
wants to be a politician.
06:27
Anchor.
06:28
It's not working like this.
06:29
It's not working like this.
06:30
so this is not how it will work.
06:32
Give us the answer.
06:34
The answer is very simple.
06:36
The day you sat in the Supreme Court
06:38
and started the fight
06:40
the day you appointed a judge
06:42
to get Nawaz Sharif punished
06:44
Supreme Court's judge
06:46
Supreme Court's judge.
06:48
Let him talk.
06:50
Let him talk.
06:52
Give us 20 seconds to finish the answer.
06:54
The thing is
06:56
whatever is happening in Judiciary
06:58
means that the Constitution
07:00
needs to be revised.
07:02
And the law needs to be revised.
07:04
There is only one judge.
07:06
If you sit on one side
07:08
and make a decision
07:10
then Mr. Taimur raises his hand.
07:12
Either you clap or he raises his hand.
07:14
If there is a second decision
07:16
then we clap or he raises his hand.
07:18
This means that whatever is written
07:20
in the Constitution
07:22
the way it is being interpreted
07:24
through judgments
07:26
the same judgment
07:28
is being interpreted
07:30
by the Chief Justice.
07:32
Now let me come here.
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