"Democracy Wo Nahi Hogi Ju Honi Chahiye...", Muhammad Malick

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00:00 I think we have to be very careful about this. I think we have to be very careful about this.

00:07 I think we have to be very careful about this. I think we have to be very careful about this.

00:09 I think we have to be very careful about this.

00:11 When you said that this is not a people friendly legislation, you said that after 9th May, everything has changed.

00:18 This is the reason.

00:20 This is the first question. Sir, is this their brainchild?

00:22 Is this their brainchild?

00:24 Is this their brainchild?

00:26 What kind of pressure is this?

00:28 What kind of pressure is this?

00:30 I think we are moving towards a new governance structure.

00:32 I think we are moving towards a new governance structure.

00:34 Whether you call it quasi-democratic or controlled democracy, whatever you call it.

00:36 Whether you call it quasi-democratic or controlled democracy, whatever you call it.

00:38 But democracy will not be that which is in everyone's hands.

00:40 But democracy will not be that which is in everyone's hands.

00:42 But democracy will not be that which is in everyone's hands.

00:44 Many people think that the country needs stability and continuity.

00:46 Many people think that the country needs stability and continuity.

00:48 So, on that basis, on the matrix, you can justify it as you wish.

00:50 So, on that basis, on the matrix, you can justify it as you wish.

00:52 But you did two things in the beginning. I think you need to clarify them.

00:54 But you did two things in the beginning. I think you need to clarify them.

00:56 You said that the government can keep you under this bill for 90 days.

00:58 You said that the government can keep you under this bill for 90 days.

01:00 If it comes.

01:02 I think it will come.

01:04 Under detention.

01:06 90 days in one go.

01:08 90 days in one go.

01:10 Then they will give a reason and keep increasing it.

01:12 Then they will give a reason and keep increasing it.

01:14 And the process they have made, the appeal of the High Court.

01:16 And the process they have made, the appeal of the High Court.

01:18 That is a whole process.

01:20 That stage will come after 5.5 months.

01:22 That stage will come after 5.5 months.

01:24 In 15 days, they will inform you that you have come to the list.

01:26 In 15 days, they will inform you that you have come to the list.

01:28 Then you will have 30 days to file an appeal.

01:30 Then you will have 30 days to file an appeal.

01:32 Then you will have 60 days to go to the review committee.

01:34 Then you will have 60 days to go to the review committee.

01:36 After sending the government, I was calculating that

01:38 After sending the government, I was calculating that

01:40 5.5 months is not enough to go anywhere.

01:42 5.5 months is not enough to go anywhere.

01:44 Exactly.

01:46 If everything works by the book.

01:48 If everything works by the book.

01:50 If everything works by the book.

01:52 If everything works by the book.

01:54 If everything works by the book.

01:56 The most dangerous thing is that

01:58 The most dangerous thing is that

02:00 Before you are put on the list,

02:02 Before you are put on the list,

02:04 you have to put your name on the list.

02:06 you have to put your name on the list.

02:08 You have to inform you in 15 days.

02:10 You have to inform you in 15 days.

02:12 When all these things are put on you,

02:14 When all these things are put on you,

02:16 your accounts will be frozen.

02:18 Your right to contest election will be frozen.

02:20 Your right to contest election will be frozen.

02:22 All things will be like you have been punished.

02:24 All things will be like you have been punished.

02:26 This is a very draconian bill.

02:28 This is a very draconian bill.

02:30 This is a very draconian bill.

02:32 If it was frozen, I would not have any personal objection.

02:34 If it was frozen, I would not have any personal objection.

02:36 It has been stated that if you incite

02:38 It has been stated that if you incite

02:40 on political and social objectives,

02:42 and there will be threats.

02:44 If you threaten that if our demand is not met,

02:46 If you threaten that if our demand is not met,

02:48 we will bring a procession and march a million men,

02:50 we will bring a procession and march a million men,

02:52 will it come in this procession?

02:54 Will it come in this procession?

02:56 Will it come in this procession?

02:58 The most dangerous thing in this is that

03:00 the Supreme Court of India

03:02 gives you the right to free and fair trial.

03:04 gives you the right to free and fair trial.

03:06 The term used in this is very interesting.

03:08 The term used in this is very interesting.

03:10 It is a Latin term which actually means

03:12 that by comparing two cases,

03:14 it will be judged without touching the main structure.

03:16 it will be judged without touching the main structure.

03:18 So, it is also an attempt to sideline.

03:20 So, it is also an attempt to sideline.

03:22 And an interesting thing that

03:24 Kamran Murza did in my program,

03:26 which was not for me,

03:28 but it was done by the chairman,

03:30 you cannot drop it.

03:32 Either it will be rejected,

03:34 or it will be accepted,

03:36 or it will be voted,

03:38 and you send it to the committee.

03:40 So, as you saw in the reform bill,

03:42 that the problem is that this is absolute rubbish.

03:44 that the problem is that this is absolute rubbish.

03:46 They want to go to the police state,

03:48 they want to fall into this pit,

03:50 or they are being pushed,

03:52 it is being prompted from somewhere else.

03:54 What is your information?

03:56 Who is owning this?

03:58 It was not owned by Maryam Aurangzeb.

04:00 It was not owned by Irkut Shari,

04:02 although it was owned by the people's party's minister.

04:04 Leave it,

04:06 it was not owned by the PMLN's leader.

04:08 it was not owned by the PMLN's leader.

04:10 No one is owning it,

04:12 we all know why it is happening.

04:14 we all know why it is happening.

04:16 But look at three or four things.

04:18 Your army act amended,

04:20 in that the army has been given permission

04:22 as an institution,

04:24 to indulge in economic activity.

04:26 Earlier it was in pieces,

04:28 the trust had it,

04:30 the AWT had it, the Fauji Foundation had it,

04:32 individual trust was in categories,

04:34 the institution did not have it.

04:36 Now it is there, your council has been formed,

04:38 all your projects,

04:40 the underwriting is of the army,

04:42 that is why your investors are talking,

04:44 Saudi Arabia, UN, everything.

04:46 Now when this bill comes,

04:48 you feel that

04:50 we are seeing new contours,

04:52 we are seeing a new structure,

04:54 in which

04:56 a lot of

04:58 legitimacy of the institution

05:00 will come by law,

05:02 it is being said.

05:04 Today a very interesting letter was issued by Umar Hamid,

05:06 Secretary-Elect.

05:08 We have covered it in the first segment,

05:10 but quickly to ask you.

05:12 This debate was going on,

05:14 which the People's Party and PMLN were discussing repeatedly,

05:16 there should be a politician,

05:18 not a technocrat, not an economist.

05:20 Today he said that

05:22 all your political affiliations,

05:24 you should also denotify them.

05:26 Absolutely, absolutely.

05:28 Now it is time to wake up.

05:30 Now only Shabaz Sharif

05:32 has released Dar sir,

05:34 or should he be released after this letter of the Election Commission?

05:36 And is this tug of war still going on,

05:38 that these political parties

05:40 will be able to bring their candidate,

05:42 or is there a wish for establishment?

05:44 Look, listen to me,

05:46 their biggest problem,

05:48 their biggest problem is Imran Khan.

05:50 Imran Khan's burden has been removed

05:52 from them after 9th May.

05:54 The institution has taken all the burden.

05:56 If I am the institution today,

05:58 I will say,

06:00 if you have so much attitude

06:02 and you have to make your own will,

06:04 then we will completely move away.

06:06 Go and fight the election,

06:08 then you will know.

06:10 They cannot afford

06:12 to cross their lines

06:14 from one side.

06:16 So, someone else has taken

06:18 a huge burden from them.

06:20 So, these decisions,

06:22 these suggestions can be given.

06:24 The decision that was named by Dar sir,

06:26 was a flexing of muscles

06:28 by PM LN,

06:30 that my way or the highway,

06:32 this was not a matter of air,

06:34 this concrete was thrown into the water,

06:36 let's see how many waves are formed.

06:38 And we have seen

06:40 that he had a very adverse reaction,

06:42 in the allies and in the rest.

06:44 That everyone had such a strong reaction

06:46 on Dar sir.

06:48 And then today's letter.

06:50 Sir, the last question for K.Taker,

06:52 PM, who is the dark horse right now?

06:54 The dark horse is,

06:56 I can tell you the compromise candidate,

06:58 he is a retired judge of the Supreme Court.

07:00 If a lot of things get stuck,

07:02 then he will be a compromise candidate.

07:04 There is only one problem on him.

07:06 The one that Mr. Zardari wants.

07:08 The problem on him is that

07:10 he is considered close to Mr. Zardari,

07:12 he is fine with him.

07:14 And if push comes to shove,

07:16 then I think Mr. Zardari

07:18 will get more sympathetic air

07:20 in the institution than Nawaz Sharif.

07:22 Thank you very much.

07:24 Mr. Mohammad Malik was with us.

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