" PTI Samait Sab Se Baat Hogi." Kya PTI Aini Tarameem Par Razi Hogayi ?? Sharjeel Memon

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00:00I have talked about the breakthrough, but the question is when is the breakthrough taking place?

00:05When are we going to see a breakthrough in INE Tarameen?

00:07Because there are some rumours going around that at the end of the first week of October or at the beginning of the second week,

00:14matters will reach a straight line.

00:17And Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib is also repeatedly saying that a constitutional court has to be formed.

00:23So with any thought or with any guarantee, or at least he must be seeing that things are being solved,

00:29that's why he must be saying, so when do you see a breakthrough?

00:32In the name of God, thank you.

00:34Thanks for having me.

00:36Look, the stance of the People's Party has always been that in the Charter of Democracy,

00:42it was signed that judicial reforms should be brought through INE Tarameen.

00:49So the People's Party is absolutely keen for judicial reforms.

00:53And Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib also wants that it should be passed with consensus.

00:59It can be passed at any time, but the People's Party wants consensus to develop.

01:06All political parties, including JUIF and PTI, if they want to come, they are more than welcome.

01:12We want that through this Tarameen, people can get relief in some way.

01:19Because we don't want anything to be in isolation.

01:21And all the political parties in the country, if they all come together, it will be even better.

01:28So it's taking a little time.

01:30That's why it's taking time for consensus to develop.

01:36But Shashi Sahab, is consensus limited to JUI?

01:39Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is saying that no one has reached out to us yet.

01:43They are on the streets.

01:44So we don't see that consensus being formed.

01:46So is PTI excluded from consensus?

01:49PTI doesn't want any work to be good in the country.

01:54They want their leaders to get favours in some way.

01:58And the rest of the people, the common public, should continue to live in the old system

02:05where people keep having problems and people can't get justice.

02:09And for 20-25-30 years, people have been serving in courts.

02:15But Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, unfortunately, places the same blame on the People's Party, PMLN.

02:20Having said that, if anyone can break through,

02:23Sharjeel Sahab says that he knows the art of possibility and he knows how politics works.

02:30So will you expect Maulana Sahab to reach out to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf?

02:34Because recently, Maulana Sahab's Jamaat has thrown a ball in the court of the government

02:40to develop consensus because the government is bringing reforms.

02:44So does the Pakistan People's Party have any intention of trying to convince the government of Kabina

02:52to at least reach out to PTI so that consensus can be developed?

02:59Look, the draft has been made by Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahab.

03:03And Chairman Bilal Bhutto Sahab also wants that

03:05if a good proposal comes from someone, it should also be incorporated in it.

03:12Right. And has this been brought forward by Maulana Sahab, Sharjeel?

03:19Yes, that discussion is going on.

03:26On what exactly have things stopped?

03:30Because we have seen a long break for some time.

03:33The activity that was happening last week or that weekend when the reforms were being discussed,

03:38we saw a long break.

03:41Look, there are different political parties and everyone has their own point of views.

03:45And we think that obviously every political party is doing things for its own betterment.

03:51Maulana Sahab is also trying to put in a proposal for its own betterment.

03:54So definitely it is his right.

03:56And the People's Party wants that no one should be upset and we should all move forward together.

04:02So what are those proposals, Sharjeel?

04:07The discussion is still going on.

04:09Officially, the JUF spokesperson should come and tell us.

04:13It would be better if we talk about it first.

04:15I don't think that would be appropriate.

04:17That makes sense.

04:18But do you see anything being discussed?

04:21Yes, we are hopeful and we are very much hopeful

04:26that God willing, there will be a breakthrough very soon

04:28and the nation will get good news.

04:31As I said earlier, Bilam-ul-Butto Zardari is very confident in the case of the IMEI court.

04:38He was also a part of the Charter of Democracy.

04:40But the biggest question that is being raised is

04:44whether there will be an above court from the Supreme Court,

04:48a simultaneous court.

04:50And Pakistan Tehrik-e-Azam is directly criticizing Bilam-ul-Butto Zardari

04:57and saying that those whose grandfathers made the constitution,

05:01should move forward to destroy the constitution.

05:04How do you see this criticism, Sharjeel?

05:06It is the job of the PTA to criticize.

05:08But Bilam-ul-Butto Zardari wants,

05:10which was a dream of Benazir Bhutto in the martyrdom of the IMEI courts,

05:14and in the Charter of Democracy,

05:16it was his emphasis that the people of every republic,

05:21who can get justice in pending cases,

05:24the constitutional courts can do their constitutional work,

05:27the civil courts, the criminal courts can do their separate work.

05:30It should not be the case that a few people,

05:33the matters of the whole of Pakistan are in pending,

05:36of lakhs of people, of millions of people,

05:39all of them are in pending in the courts,

05:42and the people should keep rotting and the poor should keep suffering.

05:46So it can be said that whether anything else happens in the IMEI courts,

05:51there is a constitutional court.

05:53Inshallah.

05:54Because there are rumours that…

05:56Very interesting.

05:57What will be the situation of 63A, Sharjeel?

06:00Pakistan People's Party is in favour of the amendment of 63A.

06:04Maulana Sahib, do you agree?

06:07Look, I will tell you what 63A is.

06:11There is one thing in your constitution, the vote of no confidence.

06:14The way a wrong decision was made,

06:17in the middle, in Bandyal Sahib's court,

06:21when there was no confidence in Punjab,

06:24they said that their vote will not count and they will be disqualified.

06:28But disqualifying is definitely a political party act.

06:31But if the vote does not count,

06:33it means that you are throwing away the vote of no confidence.

06:36You are spoiling the constitution.

06:39And the thing that is present in the constitution,

06:41it means that once someone becomes the Prime Minister,

06:43no one can remove it.

06:45And it cannot be removed with the help of no confidence

06:47because once he has become the Prime Minister.

06:49This is a dictatorial model.

06:51This is a democratic model.

06:52In a democratic model, there are transformations.

06:55And if a government wants to go and remove the transformations,

07:00then the only solution is that you can remove them with no confidence.

07:04So, removing the soul of 63A in its true form is definitely the need.

07:14Will this not open the door for horse trading in Pakistan?

07:18Absolutely not.

07:19Absolutely not.

07:20Absolutely not.

07:21Absolutely not.

07:22If a person once proves his loyalty,

07:24then his party can also remove him.

07:26And next time it cannot even give him a ticket.

07:29Right.

07:30Mr. Shaheen, because you are talking about larger consensus,

07:34Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has also played a very important role in this

07:37in terms of larger consensus.

07:39Pakistan is protesting Tehreek-e-Insaf at this time.

07:42And it is on the streets.

07:43And their demand has come to you.

07:45You yourself also said their demand.

07:47Now, is there any way, at any point in time,

07:51can there be a situation where if Pakistan moves towards Tehreek-e-Insaf,

07:58then the Pakistan People's Party puts their foot down or not?

08:03Here, it should be about the previous cases of military courts.

08:08In other words, what is the situation of the Pakistan People's Party

08:11in terms of military courts in this constitutional amendment?

08:14The Pakistan People's Party is absolutely clear.

08:16And we want that when so many constitutional courts are formed,

08:20then people will no longer have these complaints.

08:23As far as religion is concerned, PTI's politics has always been about religion,

08:27chaos, fights, incidents, riots, mischief on social media.

08:32They will continue their work.

08:34We expect the same from them.

08:37There is an amendment to Parliament and the Constitutional Court.

08:42Mr. Shahjeel-e-Namiman,

08:44will this also end after the formation of a constitutional court in your view?

08:48The Pakistan People's Party does not want there to be any tension between any institution.

08:53And we do not want there to be any tension between the Parliament and the courts.

08:57Every rule is very clear.

09:00Every institution has its own role.

09:03We want every institution to play its own role.

09:07Right.

09:08Mr. Shahjeel-e-Namiman,

09:09an interesting statement has come from Khawaja Asif that

09:11Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif also has a role.

09:15He is also working behind the scenes in this regard.

09:19Is this correct?

09:21Will the Pakistan People's Party confirm this?

09:23That Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif also has a role in advancing the constitution?

09:28No, I do not think so.

09:30I cannot give a sweeping statement.

09:32Right.

09:33And if so,

09:34is Mr. Zardari in contact with Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif?

09:39President Asif Ali Zardari is the only politician in the country

09:43who can speak to every party and every person.

09:46He has never closed the doors for anyone.

09:50Right.

09:51So there is a possibility.

09:53Right.

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