Agar Tajiron Aur Hukoomat Ka Deadlock Baqi Raha To Yeh Hukoomat Nahi Rahay Gi, Shabbar Zaidi
Agar Tajiron Aur Hukoomat Ka Deadlock Baqi Raha To Yeh Hukoomat Nahi Rahay Gi, Shabbar Zaidi
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00:00Mr. Shabbar, he is talking about the capacity of the FBR, not the capacity to take tax. Do you agree with him?
00:07Look, he is right in a way, but I want to clarify one thing in front of him, that the fraud scheme,
00:17which he has just talked about, and he may be right, he did not understand, and the FBR,
00:25I will not say that he was cheated, but he was cheated. In that scheme, it was not a fixed tax scheme,
00:33nor was it some kind of amnesty. He is talking about more than normal liabilities of advance tax.
00:44And then after that, he put an identifiable valuation table, that you have to pay this much tax.
00:51So that scheme, which we call the fraud scheme, it was not fraud in any way, according to me.
00:59But this thing, my question to him is, I have been saying this from the first day,
01:05but now he has understood this thing, that it was not a fraud scheme.
01:12And I totally agree with him that every man should pay tax on his income.
01:18If there is no sale these days, and there is no income, then tax should not be given.
01:23But Maria, tell me one thing, that today's, I do not know exactly,
01:28but there is a heading in today's newspaper that there are 32 lakh retailers in Pakistan,
01:34which according to me is not 32 lakhs, it is almost 40 lakhs, and 270,000 people are filers.
01:41So you say that there are almost 30 lakh retailers in Pakistan, which are not tax filers in Pakistan.
01:52This system cannot run like this, this country cannot run like this.
01:57There is a very severe mistake on both sides, there is a very severe mistrust.
02:02And both parties, FBR wants to deceive them, they want to deceive FBR.
02:10And the country is being destroyed in this regard.
02:14I totally agree with this, that this valuation thing has been done, it has no head.
02:22The advance tax that you are talking about, it has no head.
02:27You have to take tax on the income of every trader.
02:32But the traders should agree on this, I do not know the name of this gentleman,
02:37Ajmal Baloch Sir.
02:39But first agree that all the traders will become filers in Pakistan.
02:46Because if 30 lakh of the traders are not filers.
02:52Now what they have done about the electricity meter, they are saying this right.
02:57But when I was chairman of FBR, I have gone through this process.
03:01And I can say this with guarantee that out of all the traders,
03:06in about 50% of the cases, the electricity meter is not in the name of those who are doing business.
03:13So this is the story of the electricity meter, this is also wrong.
03:17Because there is no tax on the electricity meter.
03:21Okay, the last thing is that whatever you do,
03:26IMF, no amnesty, no fixed scheme will agree.
03:31And it will never agree.
03:34And now the country has reached the stage of economic downturn.
03:41If this deadlock of traders and the government remains,
03:47then I can guarantee you that this government will not remain.
03:52So Mr. Shabbar, what should happen now?
03:54Because there is a deadlock.
03:56Do you think that FBR will be a little flexible here?
03:59Listen to me, there is a deadlock.
04:03There are two things in this.
04:05The first thing is that I have this experience that these traders,
04:10if I want to do any arrangement with anyone,
04:15for argument's sake,
04:17whatever their names are,
04:20when I want to make an agreement,
04:22as long as I want to give them something positive,
04:24then everyone gets together.
04:26And everyone complies.
04:28When I want to take something from them,
04:30they say that he had agreed, we do not agree.
04:33This is my personal opinion.
04:35So first tell me who should the government talk to?
04:39Do you think they are all united in not giving us?
04:46Because when it comes to giving,
04:48we do not have a particular person with us
04:53that we can say to him,
04:55I spoke to you, give me 10 rupees.
04:57Now ask this gentleman,
04:59that if I agree today,
05:01for argument's sake,
05:02I tell him that everyone will give only 10 rupees.
05:05Only 10 rupees.
05:06So can they take 10 rupees from 32 lakh people?
05:09Very interesting question.
05:10Mr. Shabbar, let me ask him.