Agar Tajiron Aur Hukoomat Ka Deadlock Baqi Raha To Yeh Hukoomat Nahi Rahay Gi, Shabbar Zaidi

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00:00Mr. Shabbar, he is talking about the capacity of the FBR, not the capacity to take tax. Do you agree with him?

00:07Look, he is right in a way, but I want to clarify one thing in front of him, that the fraud scheme,

00:17which he has just talked about, and he may be right, he did not understand, and the FBR,

00:25I will not say that he was cheated, but he was cheated. In that scheme, it was not a fixed tax scheme,

00:33nor was it some kind of amnesty. He is talking about more than normal liabilities of advance tax.

00:44And then after that, he put an identifiable valuation table, that you have to pay this much tax.

00:51So that scheme, which we call the fraud scheme, it was not fraud in any way, according to me.

00:59But this thing, my question to him is, I have been saying this from the first day,

01:05but now he has understood this thing, that it was not a fraud scheme.

01:12And I totally agree with him that every man should pay tax on his income.

01:18If there is no sale these days, and there is no income, then tax should not be given.

01:23But Maria, tell me one thing, that today's, I do not know exactly,

01:28but there is a heading in today's newspaper that there are 32 lakh retailers in Pakistan,

01:34which according to me is not 32 lakhs, it is almost 40 lakhs, and 270,000 people are filers.

01:41So you say that there are almost 30 lakh retailers in Pakistan, which are not tax filers in Pakistan.

01:52This system cannot run like this, this country cannot run like this.

01:57There is a very severe mistake on both sides, there is a very severe mistrust.

02:02And both parties, FBR wants to deceive them, they want to deceive FBR.

02:10And the country is being destroyed in this regard.

02:14I totally agree with this, that this valuation thing has been done, it has no head.

02:22The advance tax that you are talking about, it has no head.

02:27You have to take tax on the income of every trader.

02:32But the traders should agree on this, I do not know the name of this gentleman,

02:37Ajmal Baloch Sir.

02:39But first agree that all the traders will become filers in Pakistan.

02:46Because if 30 lakh of the traders are not filers.

02:52Now what they have done about the electricity meter, they are saying this right.

02:57But when I was chairman of FBR, I have gone through this process.

03:01And I can say this with guarantee that out of all the traders,

03:06in about 50% of the cases, the electricity meter is not in the name of those who are doing business.

03:13So this is the story of the electricity meter, this is also wrong.

03:17Because there is no tax on the electricity meter.

03:21Okay, the last thing is that whatever you do,

03:26IMF, no amnesty, no fixed scheme will agree.

03:31And it will never agree.

03:34And now the country has reached the stage of economic downturn.

03:41If this deadlock of traders and the government remains,

03:47then I can guarantee you that this government will not remain.

03:52So Mr. Shabbar, what should happen now?

03:54Because there is a deadlock.

03:56Do you think that FBR will be a little flexible here?

03:59Listen to me, there is a deadlock.

04:03There are two things in this.

04:05The first thing is that I have this experience that these traders,

04:10if I want to do any arrangement with anyone,

04:15for argument's sake,

04:17whatever their names are,

04:20when I want to make an agreement,

04:22as long as I want to give them something positive,

04:24then everyone gets together.

04:26And everyone complies.

04:28When I want to take something from them,

04:30they say that he had agreed, we do not agree.

04:33This is my personal opinion.

04:35So first tell me who should the government talk to?

04:39Do you think they are all united in not giving us?

04:46Because when it comes to giving,

04:48we do not have a particular person with us

04:53that we can say to him,

04:55I spoke to you, give me 10 rupees.

04:57Now ask this gentleman,

04:59that if I agree today,

05:01for argument's sake,

05:02I tell him that everyone will give only 10 rupees.

05:05Only 10 rupees.

05:06So can they take 10 rupees from 32 lakh people?

05:09Very interesting question.

05:10Mr. Shabbar, let me ask him.

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