Adliya Establishment Kasheedgi...Tajzia Karon Ka Mojooda Halaat Par Tabsarah

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00:00Have you seen this as Adli Establishment Ladai?

00:30Sir, make this decision, whatever they say, everyone should accept it.

00:33You have to sit here and say what you think is right, I will say what I think is right.

00:36I talk to reporters every day, I talk to them every day.

00:39Sir, the problem is that we have two things here.

00:42One of our decisions is when we have to listen to someone.

00:46Just like Adli has to decide when to listen to someone,

00:48the journalist also decides when to listen to someone.

00:51Don't you know what campaigns were carried out here against Atharva Manila?

00:55Don't you know how much Babur Sattar was opposed?

00:58Don't you know?

01:00I don't know who plays with whom and who doesn't.

01:05But please don't call the judges on this basis.

01:09This is Imran Khan's judge. Why did Imran Khan say this?

01:12My personal opinion is that many judges are anti-establishment.

01:17Your personal opinion is fine.

01:19What was the reputation of Qazi Faiz before becoming Chief Justice?

01:25Anti-establishment.

01:26Has anyone been able to decide who is right?

01:29There can be opponents of Imran Khan,

01:31but no one knows who is right.

01:34Everyone knows why there are opponents.

01:36But you will see that judges from many places are also anti-establishment.

01:42Because there is a role of the establishment,

01:45there is an illegal role.

01:48People don't like Adliya.

01:50I agree with the fact that Adliya also watched during the time of Noon League.

01:55I think they didn't get much support from within.

01:58Because they didn't get support from within,

02:00so the isolated judges didn't decide anything.

02:03But how many cases did you see at that time?

02:05When it was written in the verdicts that these NAB cases are for political engineering.

02:09And even today, Shabaz Sahib gave a speech in which he mentioned the black sheep in Adliya.

02:14He also said that Adliya kept writing in the verdicts that this is for political engineering.

02:19Were they judges of Noon League?

02:21When a judge saw that these NAB cases are being used for political engineering,

02:27he didn't write in one, he didn't write in two,

02:30he wrote in five, seven, eight verdicts.

02:32I think it is wrong to label these judges.

02:36So this is organic, a lot of this pushback from the judiciary you are appealing.

02:40Remember one thing, if any of us have a fight with Mian Sahib,

02:45then it is our nature that we will become anti-Nawaz Sharif,

02:50or if we have a fight with Imran Khan, then we will become anti-Imran Khan.

02:53Here too, the pressures that are being put on the judiciary,

02:56look, listen to me,

02:57the cameras should come out of the judges' bedrooms,

03:00the judges' brother-in-law or any family member should be picked up and electrocuted.

03:04What did Adliya think of you? What will you do?

03:06This is also a powerful institution,

03:08this is a very powerful institution of Pakistan.

03:11What will Adliya do?

03:12When a judge makes a decision against him,

03:14a social media campaign,

03:16that is, Imran Khan's social media campaign is highly criticized and should be,

03:19but why doesn't anyone talk about the other social media campaigns?

03:23The problem is, a lot of cases,

03:25now what did you mention in the ninth?

03:27There is a case on one man in six places.

03:29You want this decision to be made in six places,

03:32that yes, this gentleman was present in Mianwali,

03:35and he broke this place in Mianwali,

03:37along with the punishment.

03:39This gentleman was present in Sargodha,

03:41and the punishment was nine years.

03:43This gentleman was present in GHQ,

03:45and the punishment was 14 years.

03:46How can a man be present in five places at the same time?

03:49But everyone expects that

03:51he should be punished in five places,

03:54or should be punished in seven places.

03:56So, this gentleman, as Kashif says,

03:58The cases are also a bit weak.

04:00The cases went on in a weak way.

04:02At night, they,

04:03look, at some places,

04:04the criminal case was not read out,

04:05the last statement was not taken.

04:06It was clear that a lot of cases would end.

04:08And some cases are also weak.

04:10So, some cases are weak,

04:12some indictments are also weak,

04:14but somewhere or the other,

04:15there will be a strong case,

04:16if there is a conviction,

04:18because you can see that the government,

04:20even Mr. Shabashiri,

04:22did a press conference over the weekend.

04:24Once again, he repeated all those statements.

04:27But changing the prosecutors,

04:30taking the statements to the not-shops,

04:32you said that the next 100 days will be very important.

04:34If it is as organic as well,

04:36as Kashif is saying,

04:38that there is resentment within the institution of the judiciary,

04:41Mr. Imran Khan will be the biggest beneficiary of this.

04:44And in this entire process,

04:46where does Nawaz Sharif stand?

04:47I will add two sentences to this.

04:49You just asked this question to Mr. Malik.

04:51Remember that if two institutions face off,

04:54then obviously,

04:56the people of the institutions will also stand together.

04:59So, where a lot of judges,

05:01whether they are high courts or Supreme Court,

05:03judges will also stand together.

05:05They will feel that the fight is going to be with the establishment.

05:07So, this could be another reason

05:10why all the judges are standing together.

05:12They are saying, who is the adversary?

05:14This is the adversary.

05:15Let's fight them.

05:16Yes, Mr. Malik.

05:17See, what are institutions?

05:19Institutions are made up of people.

05:21There are certain accepted norms everywhere.

05:24Like in the history of Pakistan,

05:26there has always been interference.

05:28Not just one institution,

05:30there has always been interference in everyone's affairs.

05:32But there are some acceptable limits.

05:34Like you say,

05:36I got a call, I got a threat,

05:38they opened my file, etc.

05:40When you go to families,

05:42when you cross red lines,

05:44then everyone's reaction is different.

05:46Many years ago, I remember,

05:48I was a young reporter,

05:49I was sitting with Justice Zulla,

05:51who was also the Chief Justice.

05:53So, we talked about the judges.

05:55I don't forget what he said.

05:57He said, son, remember one thing,

05:58never upset the judge.

06:00Because in every case,

06:02the judge has 50-50 options.

06:04Whether he acquits you or punishes you.

06:06In every case.

06:08So, never fight with the judge.

06:10That is very expensive.

06:12See, the problem is that

06:14there is no question of merit or non-merit.

06:16In every case, there is merit,

06:18whether it is a punishment or acquittal.

06:20The real merit is made by the judge.

06:22And when you personalize things,

06:24then the reactions will also be personalized.

06:26Like Kashi was pointing out.

06:28But you tell me one thing,

06:30the biggest problem in this country,

06:32which has stopped the whole country,

06:34a political problem,

06:36is on the May 9th issue.

06:38The army says, punish the May 9th people.

06:40Others also say, punish them.

06:42What is the debate about?

06:44Whether military courts are permissible

06:46or not on civilians,

06:48or whether the case can be or cannot be.

06:50I know why the Supreme Court has been sitting for a year.

06:52All kinds of cases are being live-streamed.

06:54On all kinds of cases,

06:56the Supreme Court has been sitting for 3-4 days.

06:58The issue on which the whole country has stopped,

07:00the politics of the whole country has stopped,

07:02why are you not making a bench on it?

07:04Listen to what is being said in the marketing.

07:06They say, if judges come again,

07:08they will bring judges of their choice.

07:10Then the split of the bench will be approved.

07:12Then maybe the cases will be decided.

07:14When you cloud the credibility

07:16of the judiciary in this way,

07:18then things go wrong.

07:20It doesn't work.

07:22My opinion is that

07:24both the judiciary and the army

07:26should take a deep breath,

07:28take a deep breath,

07:30take a step back,

07:32and redefine the rules of engagement.

07:34But Justice Naseem Hassan Shah said

07:36that sometimes the judges agree

07:38on the death penalty.

07:40And where there is a lot of pressure,

07:42the whole system should not be covered.

07:44There are limitations.

07:46I remember one of the generals,

07:48there was a famous meeting.

07:50It was with General Musharraf.

07:52It was the last famous meeting.

07:54They said,

07:56everything was fine.

07:58When he left,

08:00another general,

08:02who is no longer in this world,

08:04was also taking his name.

08:06He said to the Chief Justice,

08:08a loaded sentence,

08:10that his family is there,

08:12the army is there,

08:14anything can happen,

08:16he is a woman.

08:18You are threatening my family.

08:20But when it comes to family,

08:22everyone reacts differently.

08:24Our reaction will also be different.

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