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"Govt Khud Kehrahi Hai Kay unkay Pas Bhi koi Official Draft Nahi..."Senator Kamran Murtaza's
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"Govt Khud Kehrahi Hai Kay unkay Pas Bhi koi Official Draft Nahi..."Senator Kamran Murtaza's
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00:00
At this time, since the debate started, have there been any settles on the issue of Ayani Tarmeen, or are these issues still there?
00:12
Because right now, Maulana Sahib is playing the most important role and is playing the most important role in the number game as well.
00:19
So, have there been any settles?
00:21
Look, it is premature to talk about settles.
00:25
As of now, the government itself is saying that we do not have any official document.
00:30
The drafts that have been given to us are draft documents and they can be right or wrong.
00:36
Now, this is being taken as a stand by the government.
00:39
So, they say that our draft will be that which the cabinet approves.
00:44
So, first approve the cabinet, bring it, then call for an assembly meeting and share it with us.
00:49
Then we will take time.
00:51
Now, this is a constitutional amendment.
00:53
Even for the common law, time is required for it.
00:57
In that, committees debate on it.
00:59
It goes to the committees and there is a debate in the committees.
01:02
They try to remove the shortcomings and shortcomings in it.
01:06
Originally, there were 56 clauses where the amendment was discussed.
01:13
After that, slowly, slowly, the scissor got caught.
01:17
Some get cut, some remain, then some get cut, then some remain.
01:21
So, the actual official document should be brought forward.
01:26
Let us debate on that official document.
01:29
We do not want to debate only on that.
01:31
What I want is that you send it to the Bar Councils, send it to the Bar Associations.
01:37
Publish it for the general public.
01:40
But, Mr. Kamran, the government has already said that we are not doing a referendum.
01:44
We are doing a constitutional amendment.
01:46
And constitutional amendment is the right of the Parliament.
01:49
So, we cannot bring everyone or the people in between.
01:52
Bringing the people who are in the Parliament in between is something different.
01:56
Tell me, today, the meeting that Arif Falvi had with Maulana...
02:01
Can I answer this?
02:02
Yes, of course.
02:03
Go ahead.
02:07
Yes, the answer to this is that the amendments are not for the public.
02:12
That is why we do not want to bring everyone in between.
02:15
So, if it is for Khawaj, then let us talk about Khawaj.
02:18
If it is for Khawaj, then let us talk about Khawaj.
02:21
Similarly, the constitution, you call it a social agreement, right?
02:25
So, a social agreement is for the society.
02:28
A constitutional amendment is for the society.
02:31
But, Senator sir, Maulana's and PMLN's breakthrough could not happen.
02:37
Was this the reason?
02:38
Yes, Maulana's biggest point was that this is for the society.
02:47
Without taking the society into consideration, without giving the society's representatives the permission to debate,
02:54
we cannot move forward.
02:56
So, we need to set a time for a fair debate.
03:01
And people should know what we are going to do.
03:04
So that the feedback that does not come to anyone's mind,
03:07
even if he is sitting in the parliament as a representative,
03:11
but it does not come to his mind,
03:13
but it is said by the Bar Council,
03:16
it is said by the general public,
03:19
and this feedback comes from other experts.
03:23
So, what will happen after that will be more consistent.
03:27
There will be less chance of mistakes.
03:29
Senator sir, the changes that the JQI had asked the PMLN to make,
03:35
were those changes made?
03:37
Because when Maulana was coming to the committee at night,
03:42
the chances, at least, were that he would come or leave.
03:46
The situation has changed a lot recently.
03:48
The situation has changed.
03:50
By that time, the changes that Maulana had asked the JQI to make,
03:54
were those changes made?
04:00
No, Maulana.
04:01
One was Maulana's speech.
04:03
Some ideas were taken from Maulana's speech,
04:06
but those ideas, to some extent,
04:10
were used for their own purposes.
04:14
The second change was in relation to Article 8,
04:17
which states that the fundamental rights are protected by the constitution,
04:22
and the court can examine the legislation in this regard.
04:27
The net was being tightened.
04:30
That change has certainly been made.
04:32
Article 199, which was to reduce the power of the courts in relation to national security,
04:38
perhaps that has also been omitted,
04:41
which you will have as a document.
04:43
But this was not enough, or this is not enough.
04:46
What would be enough is that people are given a chance to think about this,
04:51
whether they are parliamentarians or other than parliamentarians.
04:55
Would there be enough changes?
04:57
Mr. Kamran, since you are a lawyer yourself,
05:00
and you were a very integral part of the legal debate,
05:04
would there be more changes in that working paper,
05:07
because Mr. Rana Sinhaullah is calling it a working paper,
05:09
and not a consultation,
05:10
because it has obviously not been passed by the cabinet.
05:12
Should there be more changes?
05:16
Let's assume that it was a working paper.
05:20
In that working paper, there were originally 56 clauses,
05:23
and now we have brought it down to 53.
05:26
If there are changes made to it,
05:28
then it will no longer be a matter of 5 or 10 clauses.
05:31
Personal and specific things will have to be removed.
05:34
A lot of things will still have to be corrected.
05:38
Even if we agree with them in terms of concepts,
05:43
but we will have to correct their integrity.
05:46
We will have to make it so fair that people cannot object to it.
05:49
They should not say that this work was done for Anita,
05:52
this work was done for Kamran,
05:54
this work was done for Farhan.
05:55
These things will have to be corrected.
05:57
Mr. Kamran, I understand what you are saying,
05:59
but please tell us,
06:01
how long do you think it will take for the situation to settle,
06:04
or for you to be acceptable?
06:07
Do you have a timeframe
06:11
for the situation to settle?
06:19
This is not a premature question.
06:21
Mr. Rana Sinhaullah himself says that he does not have an official document.
06:25
When the official document arrives,
06:27
first of all, he should give the official document a face.
06:32
Mr. Kamran, just a few moments ago,
06:34
Mr. Rana Sinhaullah gave me a timeline
06:37
that when the Prime Minister returns,
06:40
in the beginning of October,
06:42
it is expected that there will be a breakthrough.
06:45
Do you also see a breakthrough in the beginning of October?
06:54
He may have some knowledge of the unseen,
06:56
but I do not.
06:57
I cannot say anything on this.
06:59
Something else may happen in October.
07:01
I do not know.
07:02
Anything can happen.
07:03
I cannot say anything on the unseen.
07:06
Anything can happen.
07:07
I do not know what will happen,
07:09
but let us wait and see.
07:11
If there is no official document,
07:13
then circulate half of the official document,
07:16
which is a semi-governmental document,
07:19
among the people,
07:21
so that people can have an opinion on it.
07:25
You are talking about greater consensus.
07:28
This is an important point.
07:30
But tell me,
07:31
is the greater consensus a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf?
07:35
Because,
07:36
before this,
07:37
at the night of Atta Tarar's press conference,
07:40
which was expected to be passed,
07:42
he said that,
07:43
Mr. Maulana,
07:44
this is a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
07:47
He said that,
07:48
this is a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
07:51
On that night,
07:52
he said that,
07:53
Mr. Maulana wants to create greater consensus in the opposition.
07:57
So, the meeting you had with Mr. Arif Alvi,
07:59
was it a part of greater consensus, Mr. Kamran?
08:06
It is true that Maulana said that,
08:08
the PTI should be trusted.
08:10
He wants that,
08:11
without the PTI,
08:12
nothing should happen.
08:14
Even if he disagrees with someone,
08:16
agrees with someone,
08:17
but his input should be included in it.
08:20
Because,
08:21
he is a representative of the people.
08:23
We cannot outrightly reject him.
08:25
Our opinions are different.
08:27
Our views are different.
08:29
We are on two ends.
08:30
But,
08:31
despite this,
08:32
because he is a representative of the people,
08:34
we cannot ignore him.
08:36
So, Maulana's demand was that,
08:38
nothing should be done without the PTI.
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