"Govt Khud Kehrahi Hai Kay unkay Pas Bhi koi Official Draft Nahi..."Senator Kamran Murtaza's

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00:00At this time, since the debate started, have there been any settles on the issue of Ayani Tarmeen, or are these issues still there?

00:12Because right now, Maulana Sahib is playing the most important role and is playing the most important role in the number game as well.

00:19So, have there been any settles?

00:21Look, it is premature to talk about settles.

00:25As of now, the government itself is saying that we do not have any official document.

00:30The drafts that have been given to us are draft documents and they can be right or wrong.

00:36Now, this is being taken as a stand by the government.

00:39So, they say that our draft will be that which the cabinet approves.

00:44So, first approve the cabinet, bring it, then call for an assembly meeting and share it with us.

00:49Then we will take time.

00:51Now, this is a constitutional amendment.

00:53Even for the common law, time is required for it.

00:57In that, committees debate on it.

00:59It goes to the committees and there is a debate in the committees.

01:02They try to remove the shortcomings and shortcomings in it.

01:06Originally, there were 56 clauses where the amendment was discussed.

01:13After that, slowly, slowly, the scissor got caught.

01:17Some get cut, some remain, then some get cut, then some remain.

01:21So, the actual official document should be brought forward.

01:26Let us debate on that official document.

01:29We do not want to debate only on that.

01:31What I want is that you send it to the Bar Councils, send it to the Bar Associations.

01:37Publish it for the general public.

01:40But, Mr. Kamran, the government has already said that we are not doing a referendum.

01:44We are doing a constitutional amendment.

01:46And constitutional amendment is the right of the Parliament.

01:49So, we cannot bring everyone or the people in between.

01:52Bringing the people who are in the Parliament in between is something different.

01:56Tell me, today, the meeting that Arif Falvi had with Maulana...

02:01Can I answer this?

02:02Yes, of course.

02:03Go ahead.

02:07Yes, the answer to this is that the amendments are not for the public.

02:12That is why we do not want to bring everyone in between.

02:15So, if it is for Khawaj, then let us talk about Khawaj.

02:18If it is for Khawaj, then let us talk about Khawaj.

02:21Similarly, the constitution, you call it a social agreement, right?

02:25So, a social agreement is for the society.

02:28A constitutional amendment is for the society.

02:31But, Senator sir, Maulana's and PMLN's breakthrough could not happen.

02:37Was this the reason?

02:38Yes, Maulana's biggest point was that this is for the society.

02:47Without taking the society into consideration, without giving the society's representatives the permission to debate,

02:54we cannot move forward.

02:56So, we need to set a time for a fair debate.

03:01And people should know what we are going to do.

03:04So that the feedback that does not come to anyone's mind,

03:07even if he is sitting in the parliament as a representative,

03:11but it does not come to his mind,

03:13but it is said by the Bar Council,

03:16it is said by the general public,

03:19and this feedback comes from other experts.

03:23So, what will happen after that will be more consistent.

03:27There will be less chance of mistakes.

03:29Senator sir, the changes that the JQI had asked the PMLN to make,

03:35were those changes made?

03:37Because when Maulana was coming to the committee at night,

03:42the chances, at least, were that he would come or leave.

03:46The situation has changed a lot recently.

03:48The situation has changed.

03:50By that time, the changes that Maulana had asked the JQI to make,

03:54were those changes made?

04:00No, Maulana.

04:01One was Maulana's speech.

04:03Some ideas were taken from Maulana's speech,

04:06but those ideas, to some extent,

04:10were used for their own purposes.

04:14The second change was in relation to Article 8,

04:17which states that the fundamental rights are protected by the constitution,

04:22and the court can examine the legislation in this regard.

04:27The net was being tightened.

04:30That change has certainly been made.

04:32Article 199, which was to reduce the power of the courts in relation to national security,

04:38perhaps that has also been omitted,

04:41which you will have as a document.

04:43But this was not enough, or this is not enough.

04:46What would be enough is that people are given a chance to think about this,

04:51whether they are parliamentarians or other than parliamentarians.

04:55Would there be enough changes?

04:57Mr. Kamran, since you are a lawyer yourself,

05:00and you were a very integral part of the legal debate,

05:04would there be more changes in that working paper,

05:07because Mr. Rana Sinhaullah is calling it a working paper,

05:09and not a consultation,

05:10because it has obviously not been passed by the cabinet.

05:12Should there be more changes?

05:16Let's assume that it was a working paper.

05:20In that working paper, there were originally 56 clauses,

05:23and now we have brought it down to 53.

05:26If there are changes made to it,

05:28then it will no longer be a matter of 5 or 10 clauses.

05:31Personal and specific things will have to be removed.

05:34A lot of things will still have to be corrected.

05:38Even if we agree with them in terms of concepts,

05:43but we will have to correct their integrity.

05:46We will have to make it so fair that people cannot object to it.

05:49They should not say that this work was done for Anita,

05:52this work was done for Kamran,

05:54this work was done for Farhan.

05:55These things will have to be corrected.

05:57Mr. Kamran, I understand what you are saying,

05:59but please tell us,

06:01how long do you think it will take for the situation to settle,

06:04or for you to be acceptable?

06:07Do you have a timeframe

06:11for the situation to settle?

06:19This is not a premature question.

06:21Mr. Rana Sinhaullah himself says that he does not have an official document.

06:25When the official document arrives,

06:27first of all, he should give the official document a face.

06:32Mr. Kamran, just a few moments ago,

06:34Mr. Rana Sinhaullah gave me a timeline

06:37that when the Prime Minister returns,

06:40in the beginning of October,

06:42it is expected that there will be a breakthrough.

06:45Do you also see a breakthrough in the beginning of October?

06:54He may have some knowledge of the unseen,

06:56but I do not.

06:57I cannot say anything on this.

06:59Something else may happen in October.

07:01I do not know.

07:02Anything can happen.

07:03I cannot say anything on the unseen.

07:06Anything can happen.

07:07I do not know what will happen,

07:09but let us wait and see.

07:11If there is no official document,

07:13then circulate half of the official document,

07:16which is a semi-governmental document,

07:19among the people,

07:21so that people can have an opinion on it.

07:25You are talking about greater consensus.

07:28This is an important point.

07:30But tell me,

07:31is the greater consensus a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf?

07:35Because,

07:36before this,

07:37at the night of Atta Tarar's press conference,

07:40which was expected to be passed,

07:42he said that,

07:43Mr. Maulana,

07:44this is a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.

07:47He said that,

07:48this is a part of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.

07:51On that night,

07:52he said that,

07:53Mr. Maulana wants to create greater consensus in the opposition.

07:57So, the meeting you had with Mr. Arif Alvi,

07:59was it a part of greater consensus, Mr. Kamran?

08:06It is true that Maulana said that,

08:08the PTI should be trusted.

08:10He wants that,

08:11without the PTI,

08:12nothing should happen.

08:14Even if he disagrees with someone,

08:16agrees with someone,

08:17but his input should be included in it.

08:20Because,

08:21he is a representative of the people.

08:23We cannot outrightly reject him.

08:25Our opinions are different.

08:27Our views are different.

08:29We are on two ends.

08:30But,

08:31despite this,

08:32because he is a representative of the people,

08:34we cannot ignore him.

08:36So, Maulana's demand was that,

08:38nothing should be done without the PTI.

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