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00:00First of all, you say that he came from the London plan, he says that you came from the London plan, who came from the London plan?
00:08They are also accusing you that I don't know whose instruction it was, where did you get the instruction from?
00:13They have started a new story that we have made a deal.
00:17This is the first time it has come out.
00:20If we went in 2013-2014, then why didn't they state it at that time?
00:24Why are they doing it today?
00:25Why are they saying it after 7-8 years?
00:29What need have they felt? What compulsion are they getting?
00:32But the interesting thing is that they are talking about London and asking where did you get the instruction from?
00:39Which direction do you think they will point to?
00:43Ask the creator of this lie, why do you ask me?
00:47Where did he point to?
00:49You are very close to Mr. Khan, you have known him for a long time, since the beginning of politics, you have been with him.
00:56He said that when Bani met Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf on the issue of 35 puncture, he said that 35 puncture is not right.
01:03Our seats were reduced so that a weak government is formed, a vulnerable government is formed.
01:09To be precise, he is saying that Bani met Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and said that 35 puncture is not right.
01:15Look, I don't want to waste my time on any of his statements.
01:20If we have someone who talks substantively, rather than saying that after 10 years, 9 years, his statement has come that this happened and that happened and I went and did this.
01:29This is very interesting, Mr. Rao. I am sorry I am cutting you short. This is very interesting.
01:32You say that his speech is not substantive, he says that your speech is a joke.
01:37If someone's speech is not a joke, no one wants to sit at the table, no one wants to talk, no one wants to talk to each other.
01:43No one wants to talk to each other, no one wants to say that this is corrupt, this is false.
01:46Then where are we going forward with this? We don't want to move forward, we don't want to find a solution.
01:50This is the favorite subject of the media these days. If you go to a program 10 times, this subject will be discussed.
01:55There is a time to go over it, basically. You see, move on.
01:58There is a big difference of opinion between you people, right?
02:01You say that you want to talk to FAUD, Ali Mohammad Khan comes to my program and says that we don't want to talk to him, we want to talk to PM LN.
02:06There are no differences. There are no differences.
02:08Politics is an evolving story, an evolving thing.
02:11Along with time, we can change our strategy, our ways of engaging.
02:17Nothing is static, it evolves.
02:19How far have you evolved?
02:21We are engaging with political parties.
02:24There is a platform of six parties, but the media does not see it.
02:27The media gives the same statement that we are not engaging, we are engaging.
02:31In addition, we are engaging with many other political parties.
02:34And they will see that this platform will include many other political parties.
02:38We are not engaging with three political parties.
02:40It is a very simple thing.
02:42Because they are mandate thieves.
02:44Today, I am ready to talk to them.
02:46My party will be ready if they vacate their stolen mandate.
02:50If they believe in democracy, if they believe in the constitution, if they believe in the rule of law,
02:55then they should vacate the stolen mandate.
02:57Our party will also engage with them.
03:00This is a government of theft, not a political government.
03:04This mandate of PTI has been stolen and imposed on the people.
03:10Would a democratic party want to talk to such a government?
03:14There is another difference here.
03:17Off the record, I have met one of the parties that you are sitting with,
03:23who are moving forward by uniting.
03:25One of their leaders has said something very interesting.
03:27He said that in the coming days,
03:29we can talk to Nawaz Sharif when he is in power.
03:32From the horse's mouth.
03:34I am not taking his name here.
03:35But when the time comes, he will announce it himself.
03:38Are there any chances to talk to PMI?
03:41Who said this?
03:42I am telling you.
03:43I am sorry.
03:44When you are not completing your point, I will tell you.
03:47I will tell you off the record.
03:48And he will announce it himself.
03:49This is another thing about the media.
03:51Sources.
03:53Sources are hidden.
03:54No, sources.
03:55You can't name the sources.
03:56Sources are secured.
03:57I am exposed to international media also.
03:59Sources are always secured.
04:00This does not work.
04:01This has become a typical feature of Pakistan.
04:02Sources.
04:03Snowden.
04:04We have international examples.
04:05With that time, when that development happens,
04:11for all I know, that we may move further away from each other.
04:14Julian Assange and everybody.
04:16They also protect sources.
04:18So, it is our responsibility to protect our sources.
04:20I do not make projections.
04:22I do not speculate.
04:23I only talk about what I know.
04:25Do you think that in the future, the PMLN will…
04:28This is speculative.
04:29We will see.
04:30Let the situation pass.
04:31Then we will see.
04:32Let it develop.
04:33We will see what happens.
04:34As I said, politics is an evolving game.
04:36Okay?
04:37What happens tomorrow?
04:38Nobody knows.
04:39Okay.
04:40Then nobody will know anything.
04:41Right?
04:42Right.
04:43Because we do not speculate.
04:44We talk in a substantive way.
04:45You are talking in a substantive way.
04:47You do not comment on anyone's words.
04:49You are saying that this is all a speculative conversation, Mr. Rao.
04:52Politics is evolving.
04:54So, everything has become speculative.
04:56So, there is nothing substantive in the politics.
04:58Let us see.
04:59Let us see where the situation goes.
05:00Okay.
05:01I have told you my position very clearly and candidly.
05:05Okay?
05:06That is what I know.
05:07And that is true.
05:08That this is the situation now.
05:09That is it.
05:10What happens tomorrow?
05:11What happens day after tomorrow?
05:12We will see when it happens.
05:13Okay.
05:14Is PTI cautious about what will happen?
05:17Because a lot of things have backfired.
05:19You are stuck there again.
05:20No.
05:22Let me have my right of questioning.
05:27Everybody will discuss this.
05:28We need answers.
05:29That is ample.
05:30I do not want to go further into this.
05:32Look, I have given you a very clear and candid answer.
05:35The reason for R. F. Alvi's visit here is that he has been the President of Pakistan.
05:41He has been one person who has played the role of a bridge.
05:45And even today, he is saying that he will play the role of a bridge.
05:48But the bridge remains useless until there is no traffic on it.
05:52Is R. F. Alvi's approach to bridge the gap being used?
05:59R. F. Alvi?
06:00In my presence, when Mr. Khan went to meet me, I was also present there.
06:04He gave him some assignments, some work.
06:07If I could describe his assignment, it is ambassador at large.
06:10So he will be doing a lot of things for PTI.
06:12What?
06:13I cannot define that.
06:14Ambassador at large to whom?
06:15Ambassador at large of the party.
06:17He used to be a key member of PTI.
06:23He used to be the secretary general of the party.
06:25He was made the President because of his services.
06:28Ambassador at large is into many things.
06:33He will do this for his party.
06:38He mentioned one thing.
06:40Let me put it in front of you.
06:42Do not say that this is not substantive.
06:44This is speculative.
06:46He said that he had met with the previous establishment twice.
06:50So is it his responsibility to divert the conversation from the current establishment?
06:59Considering that on the other hand, politicians have to talk to each other.
