00:00 This is an important point Khosla sahib, I am sorry I am cutting you short.
00:03 Jadun sahib, but in foreign countries it is not even the case that the politicians say that we don't want to talk to you or shake hands.
00:09 Now, obviously space is provided, then all the laws, all the legalities are put aside and then what happens is that we see in our politics and in our country.
00:19 Definitely, the political parties are a big stakeholder.
00:23 You see, if for any reason any institution interferes with another, who is its beneficiary?
00:28 The beneficiary is at the losing end, one is at the winning end, one is benefiting the political party and the other is at a loss.
00:35 Now, in 2018, the interference that was taking place, along with the judiciary, at that time the establishment and the judiciary were on the same page.
00:40 At that time they did not close the door, the doors were open.
00:43 So, one party was the beneficiary and the other was at the losing end.
00:46 If today the judge himself is saying that interference is taking place, at that time the judge himself was not saying that there is no interference.
00:51 The Pramah Fishh came, the circumstantial evidence that we see, that who is doing this, who is doing it together.
00:57 You see, how long will you make people fools?
00:59 Mr. Jadun, Mr. Jadun, please clarify this to me because I only have 4 minutes left.
01:04 Do we need more legislation to stop such things or do we need to prevail over the sense? What is required?
01:13 No, the legislation is already there, it needs to be implemented and the sense should prevail and every institution should work within its contours, within its limits.
01:25 If you keep on violating the constitution, whatever the institution, be it the judiciary, be it the military establishment, be it the parliament,
01:33 if you stay within the limits of the constitution, then you will have respect and no one will point fingers at you.
01:40 Whatever you step forward, then it is the fault of the institution that when you jump from your limits,
01:46 then people will object to jumping, then you should also object.
01:49 If you stay within your limits, then you will have respect. No one has the right to object to anything.
01:55 A few individuals who leave their institutions behind and take the next step, they interfere.
02:03 They don't even interfere in front of you. Sometimes they interfere and say that we have brought evidence.
02:07 Brother, what is interference? Who will bring evidence?
02:09 Now, the person you are talking to, if he says that this person came to us, he is interfering, he is not doing it.
02:14 So, by doing press conferences like this, I think you should not try to blackmail the institutions by scandalizing them more.
02:19 You are saying that the press conferences that are taking place are blackmail?
02:23 These are pressurizing the institutions. What else is there? What is that?
02:26 That you are doing a press conference on the same pattern. It is the job of the senate.
02:30 If you want to do something, you should change the law. You are saying that green card…
02:33 A few minutes ago, Faisal Wada Sahib was with us. He was saying that if there is no session of the senate,
02:41 and I want to say something, and it is an important thing, then as a citizen of Pakistan, can I not speak?
02:47 Can I not raise a question?
02:49 I am very sorry, but this was a very reckless behavior of his.
02:53 And maybe the institute to which he was giving signals, he should have taken notice
02:58 that why he tried to do this environment of corruption.
03:01 Is he going to give a statement that if we throw the turban, we will make football?
03:05 He was talking about his personal life. He was saying that I am talking about my personal life.
03:08 These are not personal things. We do not do these things on the media.
03:12 We do these things on WhatsApp or phone.
03:14 I will second what Jahangir Jadoon Sahib said.
03:17 There has been interference in the entire court for a long time.
03:20 We have been hearing and seeing since 1947.
03:22 Including PTS senior?
03:24 Including PTS senior. Every tenure. Every tenure.
03:27 And the second thing is that this has also been tried to take defense later.
03:31 There is also internal interference. It happens.
03:33 Vukla also tried to interfere.
03:35 The letter from the lower judiciary.
03:38 But the job of PTS is that beyond all this interference, they should make decisions according to the law.
03:44 And in the same way, the job of the executive is to implement the legislation and decisions.
03:50 His job is not to interfere in the judiciary and tell them what to do.
03:55 Similarly, the job of parliamentarians is to make the law.
03:58 Their job is not to tell the judiciary how to interpret the law.
04:03 Or start interfering in the judiciary.
04:05 Like what is happening today.
04:06 Mr. Jadoon also wants to say something.
04:08 I want to say that I am hearing on different channels today that a judge's name is being taken of the Supreme Court.
04:14 Like Mr. Ramilla, he said that you are a proxy.
04:16 He did not say that you are a proxy by taking the name of any person.
04:19 He said to the government that if you want to do a press conference, then the government's minister of information does the press conference.
04:25 The law minister has done the press conference.
04:27 He said that it is their right. They have to defend the government.
04:30 If he is the minister of the government.
04:31 But the other people who are coming, MNA, senators, no judge of the Supreme Court has taken their name.
04:36 And if this was on the floor of the parliament, then what is the reason?
04:39 Why is the parliament?
04:40 You are a representative of our people.
04:41 If you have any problem, then raise your voice for us in the parliament.
04:44 Instead of doing a press conference in a press club,
04:47 and you are throwing the turban of the entire judiciary and the entire institution.
04:51 It is not like that.
04:52 They are taking the name of the judges that they are a proxy.
04:54 Who are you to go to the press conference with the judges and give evidence.
04:59 If you are doing your case, then you go to court.
05:01 Instead of taking the name of the judges in the media, you are saying that no judge has said that he is a proxy.
05:06 This is wrong. This is wrong.
05:07 And the word used by Mr. Rauhfasan is also wrong.
05:10 That is also wrong.
05:11 Rauhfasan has also used a very contemptuous language.
05:14 It is not allowed in any way.
05:16 No one should do contempt in the government and no one should do it in the opposition.
05:21 The decisions of the court are as binding on the common man as they are on the government.
05:26 The government should respect the decisions of the court so that the common man of Pakistan also respects the decisions of the court.
05:33 You try to control the power of the court in your own control.
05:38 Everyone who comes to power tries to control everything.
05:41 These efforts should be stopped so that Pakistan moves forward.
05:45 This Pakistan is our Pakistan.
05:47 This is the Pakistan of the court.
05:49 This is the Pakistan of the army.
05:50 This is the Pakistan of the largest and largest public.
05:53 Mr. Shahbaz Qosa, you have said a very good thing that everyone is Pakistan.
05:57 Equally everyone is Pakistan.
05:58 If everyone is Pakistan, then will the matter move forward through dialogue?
06:02 I am asking this because you and your father are representing Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in very important cases at this time.
06:11 So will PTI be ready to talk because PMLN is repeatedly saying that talk.
06:16 But the onus of talking or the onus of creating an atmosphere to talk is always on the government.
06:25 The government is always on the party.
06:27 I keep saying this.
06:28 They are inviting you.
06:29 When are you accepting the invitation?
06:31 Nothing happens by inviting.
06:33 Women and children who are arrested should be released.
06:35 Create some confidence building measures.
06:37 Just don't give lip service.
06:39 We already feel that they have nothing.
06:42 They work on someone else's strings.
06:44 They should move forward.
06:46 Bilawal sir gave very powerful speeches that there will be no political prisoners here.
06:51 Leave the political prisoners.
06:53 Right, Mr. Qosa.
06:54 My time is over.
06:55 Thank you very much, Mr. Shahbaz Qosa, Janki Chaturthi.
