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00:00 Asalam o alikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:07 Today, Moulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib gave a speech for the first time on the floor of
00:14 the National Assembly.
00:15 After the Halaf-e-Bardari, he came to the National Assembly for the first time.
00:20 He gave a very powerful speech.
00:22 He put his demands in front of the Parliament.
00:25 We will talk about his demands.
00:27 Over the weekend, you saw that a very malicious campaign against Justice Babar Sattar Sahib
00:34 and his family was circulated on social media.
00:37 Islamabad High Court gave a clarification.
00:40 Today, there were some requests.
00:42 They are listening to the case of the audio leak.
00:45 Three to four courts were presented there.
00:47 They said that the case should be dismissed.
00:49 We will talk about the proceedings.
00:51 But today, our top story is that the audio leak was not a case of the audio leak.
00:56 You know the story.
00:59 But we will decipher it a little.
01:02 What is the reason that Ishaq Dard Sahib was forced to take the post of Deputy Prime Minister?
01:11 He was forced or he took this post happily.
01:14 Because the Pakistan law is silent about this.
01:18 The Deputy Prime Minister has no place in the law.
01:22 We do not find any evidence that a Deputy Prime Minister should be in line with the 1973 Pakistan law.
01:31 But the real problem is that our lawyers are going to withdraw the Pakistan Muslim League.
01:41 This is also in our program.
01:43 We have some more information on it.
01:46 Mr. Chaudhary will tell us.
01:48 But first of all, the top story.
01:52 What was the reason that Mr. Ishaq Dard had to take this post?
01:55 First of all, let's put a notification of the Cabinet of Ministers in front of you.
01:59 It is clearly stated in the notification that the Prime Minister has been pleased to designate Mr. Mohammad Ishaq Dard,
02:07 Federal Minister for Foreign Affairs, as Deputy Prime Minister with immediate effect and until further orders.
02:13 This is Kamran Ali Afzal, Cabinet Secretary. He has issued this notification.
02:20 The viewers of this notification were very much aware of this.
02:27 People saw it with great interest.
02:30 What is the reason?
02:31 The Prime Minister is also abroad in Saudi Arabia.
02:33 There is a meeting going on in the World Economic Forum.
02:36 Mr. Ishaq Dard is also present there.
02:39 In his absence, issuing this notification, the people of Pakistan Muslim League Noon were also surprised.
02:47 Some were worried about what had happened.
02:49 But, Mr. Irfan Siddiqui, Senator of Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
02:52 says that this is not a big deal.
02:56 This is the decision of the Prime Minister.
02:58 What is he saying?
03:00 I don't think that this is the decision of the Prime Minister or his leader Nawaz Sharif.
03:09 This is the decision of the Prime Minister.
03:11 It was issued with the approval of the Prime Minister.
03:15 He may need his assistants in some fields.
03:20 I don't think there is much meaning in this.
03:22 There is no need to look for it.
03:24 It is a routine work.
03:25 There were no compulsions for Mr. Shahbaz.
03:30 There were no compulsions for Mr. Parvez Ilai.
03:33 This is a routine work.
03:35 In Punjab, there is a saying that "Smart talk makes smart decisions".
03:41 If Senator Irfan Siddiqui is saying this, then we accept that there is no reason for this.
03:48 If he needs assistants, he can give them to a cabinet member.
03:54 According to Article 9091, there is a collective responsibility of the cabinet.
03:58 Any minister can assist the Prime Minister.
04:02 He is a full-fledged federal minister.
04:04 After that, Rana Salawla was sitting in a program.
04:06 When he was told that Mr. Dar has become the Deputy Prime Minister,
04:10 he said, "What? What? Tell me again."
04:13 I don't know about this.
04:16 How is this a big deal?
04:17 He has been notified.
04:18 Nawaz Sharif has notified him as Deputy Prime Minister.
04:22 I think he must have done this for his self-respect.
04:27 It doesn't make any difference.
04:30 Prime Minister is the Prime Minister.
04:32 He is right that he was notified for his self-respect.
04:36 Prime Minister is the Prime Minister.
04:38 And the powers are with the Prime Minister.
04:40 But the Prime Minister's powers are also under the cabinet.
04:45 The Prime Minister alone cannot decide.
04:47 So, what is the reason for the Pakistan Muslim League?
04:50 Why did they do this?
04:52 Salman Akram Rai, who is a constitutional lawyer and an expert,
04:56 and has a relationship with Pakistan Judiciary,
04:59 when he was asked this question, he further explained it.
05:03 There are no powers.
05:06 It is just a kind of label.
05:09 If you give it to someone, it will be honored.
05:14 But there is no such thing in the law.
05:18 Nor will the label increase their powers.
05:23 It is just a label.
05:26 I don't know if it is for self-restraint or for some other reason.
05:31 But there is no legal basis for it.
05:34 Most people think that this is a ceremonial position.
05:38 It was not necessary, but they took it.
05:40 And it can be challenged.
05:42 Can it be challenged legally?
05:46 If someone wants to, they can.
05:48 Because the law is that you cannot do what the law has not given you the authority to do.
05:53 If the law has not established a position,
05:57 if there is no such position in the law,
06:00 then how did you assign someone to that position?
06:02 But this is a small thing.
06:04 It does not have a big impact on anything.
06:07 And it really does not have a big impact.
06:10 Irfan Qadar was part of this program.
06:12 When this question was asked to him,
06:15 he gave a different explanation.
06:17 This is also the power of the executive.
06:20 And the power of the executive in cases where there is no legitimacy,
06:24 they have a lot of power.
06:26 And this kind of position can be conferred on anyone.
06:31 And this is a nomenclature of the Deputy Prime Minister,
06:34 which gives the impression that after the Prime Minister,
06:37 the senior minister will be this.
06:40 Viewers, let's take you back in time.
06:43 On June 25, 2012, there was an alliance of the CAF League with the Pakistan People's Party.
06:49 You will remember that first the Noon League was included,
06:51 then the CAF League was included.
06:54 The CAF League had a demand that our senior minister,
06:58 Chaudhary Parvez Lahi, should be given the position of Deputy Prime Minister.
07:02 Parvez Lahi kept resisting.
07:04 Sorry, Yusuf Reza Gilani kept resisting this demand of Parvez Lahi.
07:09 After that, you will remember, Yusuf Reza Gilani resigned,
07:13 Raja Parvez Ashraf came,
07:15 then Zardari accepted the condition of the Pakistan Muslim League CAF.
07:20 But this notification is very clear in this news.
07:23 When this position of Chaudhary Parvez Lahi was announced,
07:26 that he will now become Deputy Prime Minister,
07:29 it was made very clear that there is no such position under the Pakistan mirror.
07:34 And neither will the Deputy Prime Minister have any separate powers.
07:38 This is written very clearly in this news and notification.
07:44 So let's start with the viewers,
07:46 the internal news of the Pakistan Muslim League Noon League.
07:49 We are not sharing it nowadays, let's start with Hassan Ayub.
07:52 What happened? What was the reason?
07:55 Did Mr. Dar need such a position?
07:58 Especially for this position.
08:00 No, what is this position?
08:01 This is the position of the senior minister.
08:03 It just says that instead of the senior minister,
08:05 the Deputy Prime Minister has been named.
08:07 He has no additional power.
08:09 He cannot see any other than his own columnist.
08:13 Even a state minister cannot be made answerable.
08:18 Nor can he make any other division, which is not related to his ministry, answerable.
08:23 This is very simple and clear.
08:26 Who came up with this brilliant idea?
08:30 It is not constitutional.
08:32 In the beginning, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was also Deputy Prime Minister.
08:35 Respected Nusrat Bhutto is also taking this position.
08:39 Parvez Ilaihi has also got this position.
08:41 And now, Ishaq Dar has taken this position.
08:44 So, I think, to show himself as a great leader,
08:46 he has been given this position as a seniority.
08:50 Apart from this, Ishaq Dar knows very well.
08:52 Parvez Ilahi was a big ally.
08:54 Ishaq Dar knows very well that he has been given this title of Deputy Prime Minister.
09:02 He has the same power as a foreign minister.
09:06 Everyone knows this.
09:08 I am saying, this brilliant move was someone's demand.
09:11 This wave was in someone's mind.
09:13 Who invented this?
09:15 I mean, Mr. Dar, you can take this.
09:17 I think, this was invented in the past.
09:19 But now, he has executed this on the fourth in number.
09:26 The people's party which has done this before,
09:29 has done this again in the name of Islam.
09:32 Now, Mr. Hassan Ayyub is not willing to talk about this openly.
09:35 You tell me, Mr. Dar, I remember very well,
09:38 that I used to cover the beat of the Prime Minister's office.
09:41 From 2013 to 2018.
09:43 Although, I was banned from giving the Prime Minister's office button.
09:47 But, we used to get the news.
09:49 Mr. Dar used to run the Prime Minister's office as a de facto Prime Minister.
09:53 You are aware of this.
09:55 Most of the media people know this.
09:57 What is the reason behind Mr. Dar being given this post?
10:03 Is it Mr. Dar's demand?
10:05 Did the Prime Minister's office say to give this post?
10:07 Or did the Prime Minister's office say,
10:09 as you are saying, Senator Irfan Siddiqui,
10:11 that the Prime Minister's office has nothing to do with this.
10:13 Or did the Prime Minister's office put this in his mind?
10:15 It would be better if we take the view of Hazar Naqvi first.
10:19 Okay.
10:20 Okay, Mr. Naqvi.
10:22 I think, you can go and distribute the potatoes.
10:26 I am thankful to Mr. Chaudhary for this.
10:28 I will throw the potatoes in your court.
10:30 Please give us the news.
10:32 Don't give us the legal and legal information like you did to Mr. Hassan.
10:36 I am giving you the news.
10:40 You must remember,
10:41 I spoke about this in the show at the end of February.
10:44 Yes, you did.
10:46 There are two theories being discussed behind this.
10:52 The first one is that Nawaz Sharif showed his influence
10:56 and made Mr. Dar the Deputy Prime Minister.
10:59 This proves one thing,
11:01 that the people who were saying that Nawaz Sharif has become isolated or minus,
11:04 Nawaz Sharif is still a part of this system with full power.
11:07 This is the first answer.
11:09 The second theory is that the Prime Minister used his power
11:12 and made him the Deputy Prime Minister.
11:14 He gave a ceremonial post to Mr. Dar.
11:16 Why did he give it?
11:17 Mr. Dar is a senior politician.
11:19 He is one of the top leaders of the Muslim League.
11:22 Pakistan is facing many challenges at the moment.
11:29 The government is facing many challenges.
11:33 There are four or five senior people in this government
11:38 who will lead on different fronts.
11:41 I think Mr. Dar will work on the front of CPEC and China.
11:44 He will work on the revival of CPEC.
11:49 Similarly, Mr. Khazana will work on SIFC and IMS.
11:53 He will work on the international loans and investments.
11:56 Mr. Naqvi, I have a question.
11:59 Let me complete.
12:02 No, no, we will move forward on your point.
12:05 Yes, we will look at the complete administration.
12:08 Mr. Naqvi, the Minister of Internal Affairs will look at the law and order
12:12 and the people's party will look at the foreign minister
12:16 and the relationship with the United States.
12:19 The military has to fire the artillery.
12:24 I mean the military has to fire the artillery.
12:27 Let me finish my question.
12:30 The military has to fire the artillery.
12:33 The infantry has to walk with the gun.
12:36 The armoured forces have to walk on the tanks.
12:39 The law of Pakistan differentiates the role of the Prime Minister.
12:44 There will be so many ministers.
12:47 This minister will do this, that and so on.
12:50 The position of the Deputy Prime Minister is not in the law.
12:54 Yes, the majority of the people will have the right to a deputy prime minister.
13:03 So, I mean, apart from the fact that the senator has given an advance,
13:09 it is possible that he has a lot of respect.
13:12 Anyone can give him the job of the prime minister.
13:15 You can run the government, you can run the cabinet.
13:18 I can sit at home. What does the prime minister have?
13:21 Look, your question has come. I will answer it.
13:24 You are absolutely right.
13:26 The prime minister can assign anyone the authority.
13:29 Your friends who are in China, America, Saudi Arabia,
13:33 when a politician or government official from Pakistan goes to meet them,
13:38 he should have a personal profile so that he can meet at that level.
13:43 So this is his profile.
13:45 Okay, I agree. But there is a difference.
13:47 The impression that she is separating from the government,
13:50 she is ruling the government, etc.
13:52 So Mr. Naqvi is right that this is spreading a lie.
13:58 Many of our people were saying that Nawaz Sharif has become a sideline.
14:02 So there is a negative effect of that.
14:04 Ishaq Dhar was also saying that he was not made the minister of treasures
14:07 because he is from the Nawaz Sharif camp.
14:09 Now Shibaz Sahib has told him that I am from the Nawaz Sharif camp
14:14 and he is also next in line in my camp.
14:17 So I think this is a good gesture.
14:19 Mr. Chaudhary, people who know Pakistan Muslim League from the beginning,
14:23 this good cop, bad cop, this is going on from 1980.
14:26 Both brothers have always been on the same page.
14:30 If anyone had this thought in the past that Allah is the Lord,
14:34 or if there is a conspiracy theory that Allah is the Lord,
14:37 Pakistan Muslim League is owned by Nawaz Sharif.
14:41 Nawaz Sharif has not become the minister of treasures,
14:44 he was not allowed to become the minister of treasures,
14:46 he can tell you himself.
14:47 Now this whole story has come in front of you,
14:49 Mr. Naqvi has made a big mistake,
14:51 and Mr. Hassan Ayub also.
14:53 So can you tell us some inside news from Lahore?
14:56 No, there are two or three issues.
14:59 First you saw that Nawaz Sharif called from some place in the People's Republic of China
15:06 and said that Rana Sanawla Khan Sahib is for a meeting,
15:10 do it overnight and pass the document that I should become the president.
15:15 Now in the same way, Shibaz Sharif from Saudi Arabia said that take out this notification.
15:21 So I say that Nawaz Sharif has made it happen,
15:24 and four or six people who were in a lot of trouble for a few days,
15:30 and they have made a lot of noise on 8th February,
15:36 PTI has not made that much noise,
15:38 but they have made a lot of noise,
15:40 and to cover that,
15:42 it seems that four or five people close to Nawaz Sharif,
15:45 will be given some money and will be accommodated in between,
15:50 and it will be said that this is a show purely run by Nawaz Sharif's presidency,
15:57 PMLN.
15:59 So it doesn't make any difference to us.
16:02 Yes, but whatever you are saying,
16:05 Deputy Prime Minister, either you make an amendment in the Rules of Business,
16:12 that all the files from SID onwards,
16:15 which will go to the Prime Minister,
16:17 Deputy Prime Minister will see,
16:20 then it is something else.
16:22 Because in Pakistan, one thing has happened,
16:24 that if there is a Chairman Senate,
16:26 then there is a Deputy President of Pakistan,
16:28 but that has not been written.
16:30 Similarly, there can be a Senior Minister,
16:33 but a Deputy Prime Minister has not been written.
16:35 The respected one who is telling,
16:37 in 1971, when the situation of war with India was developing,
16:42 there was no Minister of Foreign Affairs,
16:47 there was a Martial Law Government,
16:49 Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto went to China,
16:52 so there is no relevance of that at the moment.
16:55 The Minister of Foreign Affairs had made Noor-ul-Ameen,
16:59 who had one seat,
17:01 it is better if he does not touch the historical story.
17:06 So, the thing is,
17:09 and there is another angle to this,
17:11 and another aspect to this,
17:13 that he is talking to the People's Party,
17:16 that somehow, he should join us in Wafaaq and Punjab,
17:21 and their minimum was that,
17:23 Bilawal Bhutto Zardari should be made Deputy Prime Minister.
17:27 Now they said, yes, he is Deputy Prime Minister,
17:30 now if you want to become, then become Deputy Prime Minister II.
17:33 So, let this cook for a few more days,
17:37 there will be many more things,
17:40 that is, how many people of Nawaz Sharif become ministers or ministers,
17:45 when do they become presidents,
17:47 and does the Deputy Prime Minister,
17:50 run the Cabinet,
17:53 or do they get the files or not?
17:55 That will not happen.
17:56 That is, by giving a ceremonial position,
17:59 neither will their importance increase,
18:01 nor will their work increase,
18:03 nor will there be any increase in their power and authority,
18:06 because, till now,
18:08 they have effectively,
18:10 they have a substantive position,
18:12 as a minister of the state,
18:13 which is not a small position,
18:14 it is a very big position,
18:15 if someone does justice to it.
18:18 Can I ask a question to you, Mr. Chaudhary?
18:20 No, no, ask 20 questions.
18:22 No, no, a small one.
18:23 I say, Mr. Chaudhary,
18:24 put a little light on Mr. Parvez Alai,
18:27 that when he made a request to become Deputy Prime Minister,
18:30 what was that step?
18:31 Put a little light on this.
18:32 Although, he was the president of the Kaaf League at that time.
18:35 Otherwise, what do you want to find in that?
18:37 You did not mention him,
18:38 you mentioned Nusrat Butto Sahiba,
18:41 you mentioned Mr. Jhar,
18:42 so, you are not mentioning the President of PTI,
18:45 who has been the Deputy Prime Minister.
18:46 I had mentioned Zohkali Butto for 1971.
18:49 Okay, viewers,
18:50 No, no, Mr. Parvez Alai was also the Deputy Prime Minister, right?
18:53 That was also ceremonial.
18:55 Okay, okay.
18:56 Okay, Nusrat Butto Sahiba was the Senior Minister,
18:59 and he was the Deputy Prime Minister, Mr. Parvez Alai.
19:02 The questions we are discussing,
19:05 the decision of the Supreme Court,
19:07 Mr. Awad, my point of view has been made clear to you.
19:09 Yes, it has been made clear.
19:11 Viewers, this position of Pakistan,
19:13 Sir, we also have it.
19:14 This position has nothing to do with the INA Pakistan.
19:17 The working of the Cabinet has nothing to do with it,
19:20 but you know that our politicians,
19:23 their perception matters a lot in politics.
19:25 Mr. Chaudhary, there is a discussion going on here,
19:27 I would like to ask you a few comments on this.
19:30 You know that the Pakistani Muslim League is very scared,
19:35 both from Mohsin and Naki.
19:37 They said that it may happen that they become the Deputy Prime Minister.
19:40 So, first, they are the chairman of the PCP,
19:42 they are the interior minister as well.
19:43 So, you know, the other day,
19:44 the respected Mr. Rana Salaudin said,
19:47 "Thank God, they could have become the Prime Minister as well,
19:49 we are grateful that they did not become the Prime Minister."
19:50 So, some people think that
19:52 perhaps the position of the Deputy Prime Minister,
19:55 this ceremonial position,
19:56 for the sake of respect and honour,
19:58 as Mr. Irfan Siddiqui said,
20:00 he has nominated him for this position
20:03 so that the rest of the people stay behind
20:05 and do not demand this.
20:07 Viewers, we have to go to the break.
20:08 After the break, Mr. Maulana Fazlur Rahman
20:10 has given a very powerful speech
20:12 on the floor of the House National Assembly.
20:14 First, we will listen to his speech,
20:16 and then we will hear the opinion of our panelists.
20:19 Stay with us.
20:24 Welcome back, viewers.
20:25 Maulana Fazlur Rahman is a very powerful speaker.
20:29 And when he speaks with great eloquence,
20:31 the way he uses his words,
20:33 and the way he gives his speech,
20:35 there is no second to him.
20:38 No one can compete with him.
20:39 Whether it is Urdu or whatever,
20:41 the way he highlights his point,
20:43 that is commendable.
20:45 Listen to what he is saying.
20:46 Today, on the floor of the House,
20:48 as he is doing these days,
20:49 the floor of the House,
20:51 I am repeating my old stance
20:55 since the election,
20:57 that these assemblies are the result of buying and selling.
21:01 Politicians speak on the basis of information.
21:03 Whether they speak in the public or in the parliament,
21:05 God forbid, this news is wrong.
21:07 But our information is that
21:09 this time, the assemblies have been sold.
21:12 And the assemblies have been bought.
21:14 Who will call these assemblies and these people
21:16 the representatives of the people in the parliament?
21:18 How is our conscience satisfied sitting here?
21:21 The losers are also worried,
21:23 and the winners are also not satisfied.
21:25 Then Maulana Sahib also said that
21:27 the ruling party,
21:29 the political parties that are a part of the government,
21:32 are raising more questions than us
21:34 about this mandate.
21:36 In this situation,
21:38 the parties sitting in the government,
21:40 in the parties of the government,
21:42 their senior people are forced
21:45 to support their own mandate.
21:47 They are raising objections on that.
21:49 It is not just about the opposition.
21:51 We are seeing it, we are hearing it.
21:54 Then collectively, the politicians,
21:57 they also criticized themselves that
22:00 we have transferred the politics
22:03 from our hands to somewhere else.
22:06 Where is democracy today?
22:08 This is just because we are sitting here weak.
22:11 At every stage,
22:13 we have made our master with our own hands
22:16 that should have been under you,
22:18 should have been under your command.
22:20 Today, we are following our master and his orders.
22:23 We cannot pass a law here.
22:26 Then, obviously, he has been a part of PDM,
22:29 he has been the president,
22:31 so he has called respected Nawaz Sharif,
22:33 respected Shahbaz Sharif,
22:35 and Bilawar Bhutto Zardari,
22:37 he has called them as his family,
22:39 that come, let's go to the people.
22:41 If a big group of the people is with PTI,
22:43 then there is no problem, accept them.
22:45 I say today, and on the basis of sympathy,
22:48 that Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
22:50 and Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
22:52 and my beloved Bilawar Zardari,
22:55 and Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
22:57 that you are the people,
22:59 let's go to the people together,
23:01 leave this power, come and sit here.
23:03 And if a larger group of PTI is there,
23:05 give them their government.
23:07 But maybe my words are sounding like a slave.
23:09 What are you saying?
23:11 Where are you speaking from?
23:13 There is still time to understand,
23:15 but we are not ready to understand.
23:17 We are ready to work.
23:19 So, obviously, we have also decided
23:21 that we will fight this slavery.
23:23 Do you also find these things to be important?
23:25 Do you see any seriousness in this?
23:27 Do you think that Maulana has made
23:29 a dispassionate appeal
23:31 to his old colleagues,
23:33 and to the leaders of the big political
23:35 and democratic communities,
23:37 that the Lord,
23:39 who presents himself in front of the people,
23:41 accepts the decision of the people.
23:43 So, will Maulana's words be heard,
23:45 will they be accepted?
23:47 We were crying and beating you for 8 hours,
23:49 and you are saying that
23:51 people around you do not accept.
23:53 Oh, yes, we are the commendate.
23:55 We are the ones who give the results
23:57 of the elections,
23:59 the election commission,
24:01 we accept.
24:03 So, go and explain to Maulana.
24:05 So, what he has said today,
24:07 he is repeating it again and again.
24:09 And he is saying a very serious thing,
24:11 that the assembly has been sold.
24:13 This is not a good accusation.
24:15 It should be refuted in every condition.
24:17 Number two.
24:19 If you have won, then let them form a government.
24:21 I have been crying in front of you
24:23 since February.
24:25 But these people,
24:27 who were crying every day,
24:29 that governments have been formed,
24:31 let them run,
24:33 they have to do this.
24:35 This is for them to understand,
24:37 that this is not right,
24:39 and the results will not be good.
24:41 It used to happen before.
24:43 Now, here they have 83 seats,
24:45 they have documents.
24:47 Half of the seats are theirs.
24:49 So, you see,
24:51 where they stand,
24:53 and where they stand,
24:55 the government cannot form.
24:57 So, let's see,
24:59 now there will be more drama.
25:01 This is not good for the country.
25:03 And Falurman has almost
25:05 determined his path,
25:07 that I will not accept
25:09 the results of this February 8th election.
25:11 And I will not accept
25:13 the results of this February 8th election.
25:15 I think it is better
25:17 to go to the people
25:19 than to the people.
25:21 And the PTI,
25:23 whose name they did not hear,
25:25 they are also talking about them.
25:27 So, this is a major departure from them.
25:29 But it has no effect on anyone.
25:31 They have said it right,
25:33 that they think
25:35 that they are talking about something important.
25:37 Hassan, you thought
25:39 that the elder Mian sir will convince them,
25:41 they met him,
25:43 and he will say that
25:45 you also came yesterday.
25:47 Ok, we will see tomorrow.
25:49 So, will anyone listen to Maulana sir?
25:51 And if they are talking,
25:53 they have also said it right,
25:55 that where is democracy today?
25:57 I agree with them
25:59 that democracy
26:01 is really very weak in Pakistan.
26:03 Democracy in Pakistan is not
26:05 as strong as in our neighboring countries.
26:07 But there is a reason for it.
26:09 The reason for it is
26:11 that the people
26:13 who are accused of these things,
26:15 I agree with Maulana sir.
26:17 Because there have been failures
26:19 in the elections.
26:21 They have also expressed their failures
26:23 in the previous elections.
26:25 But when Bani Chairman Tehreek-e-Hind
26:27 leaves Lahore,
26:29 he says that if there is a discussion,
26:31 then it will be with the Army Chief.
26:33 Recently,
26:35 Sheryar Afridi's statement came,
26:37 he said that he will not talk to any politician.
26:39 If he wants to talk,
26:41 he will talk to DG ISI or Chief of Army.
26:43 Now, Shibli Faraz sahib's statement came
26:45 that Bani Chairman has given permission
26:47 to talk to the military leadership.
26:49 So, when your attitude
26:51 will be like this,
26:53 then democracy will not be strong.
26:55 Democracy will only be strong
26:57 when the political leadership
26:59 will resolve the differences
27:01 among themselves.
27:03 When you will look for support yourself
27:05 and you will not see any other work
27:07 in the world,
27:09 then this is the situation.
27:11 And as far as Murana Fazl-ur-Rehman sahib is concerned,
27:13 he has said that he has been bought
27:15 on all assemblies.
27:17 Whether it is the Wafaaqi government
27:19 or the government of Khaybar Pakhtunkhwa.
27:21 And Murana sahib's main influence
27:23 is on Khaybar Pakhtunkhwa.
27:25 He has taken a lot of name.
27:27 He says that his own mandate,
27:29 like the base camp of PDA is KPK,
27:31 similarly, Murana Fazl-ur-Rehman's
27:33 Jamaat, JUAF, their base camp is KPK.
27:35 So, his main objection is KPK.
27:37 But, he has no influence in Punjab.
27:39 In Punjab, there is no JUAF.
27:41 In Sindh, there is.
27:43 In Balochistan, there is.
27:45 But, not in Punjab.
27:47 Do you think that our Prime Minister
27:49 is so authoritative
27:51 that he can talk to them
27:53 and solve all the issues?
27:55 He is the Prime Minister.
27:57 Yes.
27:59 Let's talk first.
28:01 You have not eaten anything.
28:03 You have not eaten anything.
28:05 You say that this food is bad.
28:07 But, taste it.
28:09 You will know after tasting it.
28:11 You will have a narrative.
28:13 You can tell the people
28:15 that we tried this.
28:17 This is not good.
28:19 He is such a person
28:21 who says that he does not want
28:23 to sit with political people.
28:25 Even when India attacked Pakistan,
28:27 he said that he will not sit
28:29 with political people.
28:31 He is such a person.
28:33 He has not done any crime.
28:35 He has done crime.
28:37 Mr. Nagri, tell us.
28:39 Maulana has opened many things.
28:41 Do you think that
28:43 we will listen to Maulana?
28:45 Will we listen to serious quarters
28:47 and find a solution?
28:49 Will we go forward?
28:51 First of all,
28:55 listen to me quietly
28:57 like you listen to Chaudhary
28:59 and complete the questions.
29:01 Secondly,
29:03 Maulana Fazlur Rehman
29:05 has the highest respect
29:07 for all the politicians
29:09 in Pakistan.
29:11 Thirdly,
29:13 I want to remind the
29:15 Pakistani people of 2018.
29:17 When Imran Khan came to power in 2018,
29:19 the leaders of the Muslim League Noon
29:21 and Peoples Party
29:23 told Maulana Fazlur Rehman
29:25 that the government has come
29:27 and the government has come.
29:29 Now the government has come in 2024.
29:31 Asad Qaisar has reached Maulana.
29:33 Maulana said, "Be careful,
29:35 Maulana is there."
29:37 I am telling you this.
29:39 Maulana had also come out in 2018
29:41 with the same slogan.
29:43 Maulana had come out with the same slogan
29:45 that this government is fake,
29:47 this assembly is fake.
29:49 He forced, he insisted
29:51 on the Muslim League Noon
29:53 that you resign.
29:55 This kept going on and on.
29:57 And from this assembly,
29:59 I am talking about the 2018 assembly,
30:01 when the government changed,
30:03 Maulana had two extremely important
30:05 ministries.
30:07 And now Maulana is talking
30:09 about the same thing
30:11 that he did in 2018.
30:13 The 2018 assembly also completed
30:15 five years.
30:17 The 2024 assembly will also
30:19 complete five years.
30:21 Very good.
30:23 I am not saying anything.
30:25 But Maulana, look,
30:27 I am telling you how good it feels.
30:29 Okay, Mr. Anar,
30:31 when Maulana talked about PUTAS,
30:33 that too is in front of you.
30:35 We will go, God willing,
30:37 on May 2 in Karachi,
30:39 there will be a million marches,
30:41 God willing,
30:43 on May 9 in Peshawar,
30:45 God willing, there will be a million marches.
30:47 And if anyone tries to stop it,
30:49 then he will only invite trouble
30:51 and no result will come out of it.
30:53 And the people will not be able
30:55 to stop this flood.
30:57 And God willing, this struggle will continue.
30:59 And there is hope,
31:01 there is hope,
31:03 you should also be with us in this.
31:05 Yes, viewers,
31:07 on May 2, he said that
31:09 we will continue our march
31:11 and our struggle will continue
31:13 for the sake of the real democracy.
31:15 Let's go to a break.
31:17 After the break, we will talk about
31:19 the case of Sunit Ahad Council.
31:21 Welcome back. Viewers,
31:27 you will remember that when
31:29 the PDM government was formed,
31:31 then there was a PTI government
31:33 in Punjab and KP.
31:35 We were present as a big party in Wafaq.
31:37 But they resigned, both assemblies
31:39 dissolved and they resigned from the National Assembly.
31:41 After that, the situation that happened
31:43 in front of Pakistan's Darikin Saab,
31:45 Abu Ubaid Saab. Now, the status of Sunit Ahad Council,
31:47 since the Election Commission has accepted it,
31:49 according to a notification,
31:51 the issue that the Election Commission has issued,
31:53 the chairman of Sunit Ahad Council,
31:55 all the members of Pakistan's Darikin Saab
31:57 are present in the National Assembly
31:59 and the Provincial Assemblies.
32:01 So, obviously,
32:03 Sunit Ahad Council's chairman,
32:05 Hamid Raza Saab is leading them.
32:07 So, he has given a suggestion today.
32:09 I was reading his tweet.
32:11 I don't know if he has
32:13 given a statement somewhere.
32:15 If we get a chance, we can share it.
32:17 Okay, listen to what he has to say.
32:19 My personal point of view is that
32:21 we should hold the elections
32:23 in the Assembly for 3-4 months.
32:25 If we see any fruitful result,
32:27 we should stay in the Assembly.
32:29 But if we stand in the same place
32:31 after 4 months, then we should
32:33 resign from the Assembly.
32:35 He expressed similar thoughts
32:37 through his tweet.
32:39 See that too.
32:41 Then, see Barrister Gohar Saab's tweet.
32:43 I need to consider resigning from the Assembly
32:45 and coming out on streets if Imran Khan
32:47 does not get justice in the coming weeks.
32:49 We are not sitting in the Assembly to give
32:51 this government a breathing space.
32:53 I will be the first one to resign from the National Assembly
32:55 for IK. Imran Khan.
32:57 After that, today, Barrister Gohar Saab,
32:59 the chairman of Pakistan's Darikin Saab,
33:01 met Imran Khan Saab in the jail.
33:03 He was in a meeting.
33:05 When he came out, you know,
33:07 there are many talks going on.
33:09 Whether he should speak or not.
33:11 So, the question is,
33:13 whether you are speaking or not.
33:15 No, our dialogue is not
33:17 happening with anyone.
33:19 I have already given you
33:21 Khan Saab's message that
33:23 our dialogue is not happening
33:25 without a door.
33:27 We do not have a time frame for dialogue.
33:29 The day we talk or
33:31 we have a plan to go further,
33:33 we will inform the media,
33:35 God willing.
33:37 Naggi Saab, I will start with you.
33:39 So, what do you think,
33:41 the advice given by Hamid Razza Saab,
33:43 do you think it has any meaning?
33:45 Look, I think Hamid Razza Saab
33:49 is joking with the people
33:51 by giving advice. Why?
33:53 Because he is the head of the Sunni
33:55 Itahad Council. Write to the speaker
33:57 that I am going with all my members
33:59 to resign. Who is he giving advice to?
34:01 He is the head of the Sunni Itahad Council.
34:03 His 82 people are sitting.
34:05 Write a collective resignation of all of them and go.
34:07 So, it is obvious that
34:09 it should be done individually.
34:11 Look, he is the head.
34:13 He is not an ordinary member.
34:15 He is the head of the Sunni Ithaad Council.
34:17 So, the second thing is
34:19 the matter of jokes.
34:21 So, the jokes,
34:23 some people have said,
34:25 from their point of view,
34:27 that the present government
34:29 is a puppet of the people.
34:31 They say that the government
34:33 has been imposed on us.
34:35 The decisions are somewhere else.
34:37 So, you know, Mr. Naqvi,
34:39 this can also be done, this can also be done.
34:41 So, some people from the PTI
34:43 say that they have no right.
34:45 The Punjabi says that they have no right.
34:47 They have no authority.
34:49 So, why should we joke with them?
34:51 What is your opinion?
34:53 Are you asking me?
34:55 I am asking you. Then I will go to Mr. Chaudhary.
34:57 Yes, yes. Look, let me tell you one thing.
34:59 Why does the PTI say,
35:01 you just heard Mr. Gauhar's statement,
35:03 because the PTI talks
35:05 about democratic revolution.
35:07 Okay?
35:09 Now, who wants to bring democratic revolution?
35:11 Listen carefully to this PTI.
35:13 The grandson of that dictator
35:15 who destroyed the roots of the democracy of Pakistan.
35:17 Or does he want to bring democratic revolution?
35:19 Does Mr. Gauhar Khan want to bring it?
35:21 The one who grew up in the nursery
35:23 of Asif Wali Zardari.
35:25 Or does he want to bring democratic revolution?
35:27 The one whose father,
35:29 Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
35:31 was a close friend of Zia-ul-Haq.
35:33 Or does he want to bring
35:35 democratic revolution?
35:37 The one who was reposed after 9th May,
35:39 that we did not know where he went.
35:41 And as soon as the elections of Senate came,
35:43 he came to the front.
35:45 Does he want to bring democratic revolution?
35:47 The one who grew up in the nursery of Musharraf.
35:49 So, do these people want to bring democratic revolution?
35:51 Answer me.
35:53 Mr. Chaudhary, if we go in history,
35:55 then you know,
35:57 in the 60s, with General Yuk,
35:59 there was a party called the Muslim League,
36:01 and the People's Party,
36:03 they used to talk about running the system.
36:05 If you go in history,
36:07 and still talk about it,
36:09 they talk about running the system.
36:11 General Zia-ul-Haq has many other connections.
36:13 I was expecting you to say this.
36:15 I have connections.
36:17 You have heard my connections.
36:19 Mr. Chaudhary, what is this?
36:21 The Bani chairman did this,
36:23 the Bani chairman did that.
36:25 Some of you have questions,
36:27 but I will not go into that.
36:29 What is the relevance of what is being said?
36:31 Now, our time is up.
36:33 Sir, Gaur Khan's statement,
36:35 the answer to the statement of Gaur Khan.
36:37 Yes, Mr. Chaudhary, continue.
36:39 Yes, Gaur.
36:41 I am saying that,
36:43 PTI is saying that
36:45 we cannot do the Mazaqarat with you
36:47 because you have nothing in your hands.
36:49 So, what do you think of this statement?
36:51 Is it democratic or non-democratic?
36:53 Is there life in it or not?
36:55 You don't know.
36:57 Why do you ask me?
36:59 Let me ask Hassan.
37:01 What is the question?
37:03 You go ahead.
37:05 You are mentally...
37:07 No, I am saying that,
37:09 first of all,
37:11 what Mr. Zia-ul-Haq has said,
37:13 about resigning,
37:15 that the situation is such that
37:17 the Bani chairman does not come out of the court.
37:19 There is a case of 190 million pounds.
37:21 He can be punished for that.
37:23 But the situation is not good.
37:25 I don't see any possibility of Bani chairman
37:27 coming out of the court for a year or so.
37:29 I don't see any possibility.
37:31 The courts have the power to leave him tomorrow.
37:33 But there is no possibility of that.
37:35 Secondly, what Mr. Gaur is saying
37:37 that we are not doing the Mazaqarat,
37:39 then the politicians do the Mazaqarat
37:41 and search for the way from the closed streets.
37:43 What kind of politicians are they
37:45 who keep the doors of Mazaqarat closed?
37:47 And there is no benefit or benefit in keeping it closed.
37:49 Absolutely right.
37:51 But you know the case of Justice Bawar Sattar
37:53 of the Audio League,
37:55 the wife of the Bani PTA,
37:57 and the case of the
37:59 former Chief Justice
38:01 Saqib Nisar's son,
38:03 who is the head of the Audio League in Mumbai.
38:05 That case was a hearing today.
38:07 Some different requests went there
38:09 before that.
38:11 And the requests went from three or four departments.
38:13 Mr. Allah,
38:15 which has Pemra, PTA,
38:17 IB, FIA,
38:19 and the case of Justice Bawar Sattar,
38:21 you cannot hear this decision.
38:23 You cannot hear this case,
38:25 you cannot decide on this.
38:27 A few days ago, we saw that
38:29 there was a storm of misbehavior
38:31 on social media.
38:33 Bawar Sattar,
38:35 because he studied in America,
38:37 he did law from Harvard Law School.
38:39 He also worked there.
38:41 When people who live in America
38:43 work, they get a green card.
38:45 And according to the law of America,
38:47 if your children are born there,
38:49 you get a dual nationality.
38:51 And he told all these facts
38:53 that when I was appointed
38:55 as a Justice
38:57 in the Islamabad High Court,
38:59 I had kept it.
39:01 This is part of the official record.
39:03 But a lot of campaigns were made
39:05 against him on social media.
39:07 Then yesterday, the clarification
39:09 of the Islamabad High Court
39:11 came out.
39:13 You can see the clarification of the case today.
39:15 A false, malicious, and
39:17 contemptuous social media campaign
39:19 was made against him.
39:21 All the facts I have presented to you.
39:23 Hussain Chaudhry,
39:25 our representative of Islamabad High Court
39:27 is with us.
39:29 Thank you very much.
39:31 Briefly, all this was done.
39:33 All the judges who said
39:35 that Justice Bawar Sattar cannot hear this case,
39:37 they were fined 5 lakhs.
39:39 Share some of the
39:41 evidence with us.
39:43 Yes, Khawar sahib,
39:45 today, the Justice of Islamabad High Court,
39:47 Justice Bawar Sattar,
39:49 in the audio leaks,
39:51 which are already being heard,
39:53 Bushra Bibi and Lateef Khosa,
39:55 who are lawyers, had an audio.
39:57 And along with that, the former Chief Justice,
39:59 Saqib Nisar, his son Najam Saqib,
40:01 had a PTI ticket.
40:03 In that regard,
40:05 an audio came out
40:07 and they were asked to the Parliamentary Committee.
40:09 Both these requests
40:11 were challenged.
40:13 In that, Attorney General,
40:15 when presented in court today,
40:17 the court said to him that
40:19 some different requests have come.
40:21 First, let's hear them.
40:23 After that, we will continue the routine process.
40:25 After that,
40:27 the Attorney General was told that
40:29 FIA, IB, PTA and PEMRA
40:31 have given different requests.
40:33 After that, Attorney General sat down.
40:35 Here, a very important moment
40:37 was that Attorney General
40:39 did not defend any request
40:41 and did not give evidence to anyone.
40:43 In fact, the additional Attorney General came to the podium
40:45 and he came and informed with the details.
40:47 And said that FIA has objected
40:49 that the letter written by 6 judges
40:51 to the Supreme Judicial Council,
40:53 in that, about the intervention
40:55 of the Intelligence Agency has been written.
40:57 Therefore, this is an objection
40:59 on behalf of FIA on this request,
41:01 on this case, and you should not hear this case.
41:03 After that, Justice Babar Sattar
41:05 has refuted this objection of FIA
41:07 and with a fine of Rs. 5 lakhs,
41:09 has withdrawn the request of FIA.
41:11 Along with that,
41:13 the officers of IB were presented in the court.
41:15 When they were asked
41:17 that who gave you permission
41:19 to issue this request,
41:21 they were told that,
41:23 first, the name was not being told,
41:25 after that, they were told that
41:27 the request was to be issued
41:29 on behalf of the Joint Director General.
41:31 On that, the court said that you should tell them
41:33 to present themselves on the hearing in the future.
41:35 This was a mistake of FIA.
41:37 On behalf of PTA,
41:39 this objection was not defended.
41:41 It was said that Babar Sattar
41:43 has not been a lawyer of PTA in the past.
41:45 When he said this,
41:47 another objection was also raised.
41:49 The court was also dismissed.
41:51 And a fine of Rs. 5 lakhs was also issued.
41:53 The request was also withdrawn.
41:55 And similarly,
41:57 when the lawyers of PEMRA were presented,
41:59 they said that this type of case
42:01 was already under discussion
42:03 in the bench.
42:05 And that request has already been decided.
42:07 So, this bench
42:09 cannot hear this request.
42:11 So, the request of PEMRA
42:13 has also been withdrawn.
42:15 And all three institutions have been fined
42:17 not only Rs. 5 lakhs,
42:19 but also the court has been dismissed
42:21 for the action of insulting
42:23 the authorities of all those institutions.
42:25 Thank you very much, Hussain Chaudhry.
42:27 And I was watching that
42:29 during the hearing,
42:31 the court has also dismissed
42:33 the objection of Babar Sattar.
42:35 Additional Attorney General Dugal
42:37 was present there.
42:39 So, everyone raised this objection
42:41 that you cannot hear this case.
42:43 So, no judge will hear
42:45 any case against any government department.
42:47 He also agreed that
42:49 it is not easy to make a case in the eyes of the public.
42:51 Especially the case of PTI.
42:53 That's all for today.
42:55 See you again tomorrow.