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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:13Dear viewers, in such an environment, when we get negative news from all sides,
00:18sometimes electricity is becoming expensive, sometimes prices are touching the sky,
00:22sometimes news is coming about the situation of law and order in the country,
00:27but there is one court from where we always get positive news,
00:32and that is SPD, Strategic Planning Division,
00:36and our scientists are working day and night in this effort,
00:42they are busy in making the defense of Pakistan unbeatable.
00:48And today another successful experiment took place in Pakistan,
00:53the ballistic missile Shaheen-2,
00:56and all these people, all the courts, all the institutions,
00:59who are involved in this action, from our side, from our program,
01:04from the people of Pakistan, they deserve congratulations,
01:09and we congratulate them.
01:12With this, dear viewers, another news came about the defense of Pakistan,
01:17five foreigners were killed on the Pakistan-Afghan border,
01:26and the young men of the F.C. fought with great success,
01:30and three of our soldiers were martyred during this fight,
01:34you can see their pictures,
01:36and day and night you can see that the army is fighting on the borders of Pakistan,
01:40especially our western borders, against terrorists.
01:45Today is another important day,
01:47the 53rd day of the martyrdom of Pilot Officer Rashid Minhas,
01:53all our officers who have received the marks of Haider,
01:57the youngest of all, and this incident,
02:01the children of Pakistan remember it in their language,
02:03how a conspiracy was made,
02:05how the Pakistani Air Force was tried to kidnap,
02:09and Rashid Minhas,
02:11without caring for his life,
02:13killed himself,
02:15and made this conspiracy a failure.
02:17Viewers, let's move towards our program,
02:19towards our routine program.
02:21The biggest issue in Pakistan right now,
02:23and without a doubt,
02:25this is the issue,
02:27and that is the price of electricity.
02:29Obviously, politics is on it.
02:31Today, respected Shahbaz Sharif,
02:34during the meeting of the cabinet,
02:36during the initial remarks,
02:38he said a very good thing,
02:40and it is unfortunate that
02:42on such an occasion,
02:44when the Punjab government did a very good job,
02:46gave relief to the people of Punjab,
02:48the other provinces are doing politics on it.
02:51They should not be doing politics.
02:53The Punjab government,
02:55out of its development budget,
02:57gave aside 45 billion rupees,
02:59and they gave relief to their people,
03:03and the Prime Minister said,
03:05we tell the other provinces,
03:07that you should also move forward,
03:09and take out money from there,
03:11and take out money,
03:13and give relief to your people,
03:15and there should not be politics on it.
03:17This is wrong,
03:19whatever people are doing.
03:21But since politics is happening,
03:23and we are seeing a lot of statements on it,
03:25from all sides,
03:27so we have to talk about it,
03:29in a state of emergency.
03:31First of all, viewers,
03:33none other than Chief Minister Sindh,
03:35Murad Ali Shah,
03:37during his visit to Punjab,
03:39made a statement on this issue.
03:41Listen to what he said.
03:43There are strange announcements,
03:45because of which we are in trouble,
03:47how to respond to the announcements of stupidity.
03:49How to respond to the announcements of stupidity.
03:51His signal is towards the Punjab government,
03:53that they gave relief for two months,
03:55what is the relief for two months.
03:57On this,
03:59Chief Minister of Punjab,
04:01Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba,
04:03who has done a good job for the people of Punjab,
04:05the people of Punjab are happy.
04:07Of course,
04:09Rs. 14 per unit,
04:11300-500 units will be used.
04:13She then, of course,
04:15gave her answer on this.
04:17We have also given relief in electricity.
04:19Thank God.
04:21I have given it in 45 billion.
04:25And people are getting
04:27a two-month relief in bills.
04:29After that, we are bringing
04:31a very big solar program,
04:33which will give you a lot of relief.
04:35Someone used the word,
04:37that this is stupidity.
04:39So I laughed.
04:41I said, putting money in the pocket of corruption,
04:43spending money on the protocol,
04:45on planes, helicopters,
04:47on convoys of cars,
04:49on salaries,
04:51on houses,
04:53this is not stupidity.
04:55Giving relief to the people is stupidity.
04:57Maryam Sahiba is right.
04:59If giving relief to the people is stupidity,
05:01then we should do more such stupidity.
05:03Mr. Sharjeel Memon,
05:05you know that he does
05:07half a dozen press conferences in a day.
05:09He is always ready to do press conferences.
05:11In response to this speech
05:13of Maryam Sahiba,
05:15he also said
05:17something.
05:19I heard
05:21the speech of the Chief Minister of Punjab.
05:23I was very disappointed.
05:25I can do a counter-speech
05:27more harshly than this.
05:29I can also give examples of the protocol.
05:31I am talking as much as
05:33it is enough to tell someone
05:35or to show someone a mirror.
05:37It is enough to make someone understand
05:39that the vision of the leaders is not
05:41that we gave relief for a month
05:43and published it in the newspapers
05:45and started beating people.
05:47What will happen after that?
05:49What will happen after two months?
05:51Give us a plan after two months.
05:53You don't have an answer for two months.
05:55We have an answer for 200 years.
05:57If the leadership of PMLN
05:59had not stopped at that time,
06:01there would not have been an energy crisis.
06:03You are in a position to export coal
06:05for 200 years.
06:09Mr. Naqeeb,
06:11why don't you explain to your friends
06:13why they are doing politics on this issue?
06:15You mean the Chief Minister of Sindh
06:17and Mr. Sherjeel Memon.
06:19You know that they are also
06:21present on the media
06:23and on the screen.
06:25Punjab has done a good job.
06:27You can't tell your people
06:29that we don't have money.
06:31If you can, do it.
06:33Yes, Mr. Naqeeb.
06:35Murad Ali Shah is an educated minister.
06:37He is responsible.
06:39He has been a minister for 8 years.
06:41Most importantly,
06:43he has a united community in his centre.
06:45I think the word foolishness
06:47that he used is a bit stupid.
06:49He could have used a better word.
06:51This is a stupid word
06:53that he should not have used.
06:55But he says,
06:57blessing in disguise.
06:59There is a debate.
07:01Maryam Nawaz Sahiba has given relief
07:03to people in her province.
07:05You can get a great direction
07:07by giving the distribution
07:09and recovery of electricity
07:11to the provinces.
07:13Just produce the electricity
07:15that the provinces ask for.
07:17Mr. Sherjeel Memon talked about coal.
07:19The Sindh government also talks about Jhampir
07:21but the electricity has not been purchased.
07:23Similarly, there are many power plants
07:25in Punjab, KP and Balochistan.
07:27You produce your own electricity
07:29and distribute it in your province.
07:31Where there is a shortage of electricity,
07:33tell Markaz to produce it
07:35and give it to him.
07:37Markaz can deduct money from the NFC.
07:39This is a very good formula.
07:41The Punjab government,
07:43no matter where it started,
07:45can set a very good formula
07:47that can solve electricity problems
07:49in Punjab.
07:51Nowadays, the government
07:53is working on solar.
07:55Nasir Hussain Shah's government
07:57is working hard
07:59to distribute solar in Sindh.
08:01This is a very good thing.
08:03This will happen in Punjab
08:05and other provinces as well.
08:07Distribute solar
08:09and produce electricity.
08:11Distribute solar
08:13from one front
08:15and produce electricity
08:17from the other front.
08:19The biggest problem
08:21of electricity shortage
08:23in Pakistan is not
08:25about producing electricity.
08:27It is about the recovery
08:29of electricity
08:31when it reaches the public
08:33through distribution companies.
08:35You have a lot of line losses.
08:37It is very important
08:39to work on this.
08:41The biggest problem
08:43is to produce electricity
08:45without electricity.
08:47They are producing
08:49very expensive electricity
08:51because of which
08:53they have to take money
08:55and send expensive bills.
08:57Today, when
08:59the Prime Minister
09:01was addressing the public,
09:03he said that it is very wrong
09:05and should not be politicized.
09:07The Punjab government
09:09gave a very big relief
09:11to the people of Punjab
09:13for which they
09:15allocated
09:1745 billion rupees
09:19from their development funds
09:21and for two months
09:23they gave a relief
09:25to the people of Punjab
09:27which is their right.
09:29Wafaaq did not
09:31contribute in this.
09:33Wafaaq has zero contribution.
09:35This is a gift from Punjab
09:37to the people of Punjab.
09:39I think that other provinces
09:41cannot give this relief
09:43to the people of their provinces.
09:45The National
09:47Finance Commission has always
09:49said that the federal government
09:51does not keep the money.
09:53They distribute the money to the provinces.
09:55Did the Prime Minister
09:57also talk about this?
09:59We should not politicize this.
10:01The government of Punjab
10:03has a huge share
10:05in the NFC
10:07of 2010.
10:09Wafaaq goes to the provinces
10:11and the provinces have
10:13trillions of resources
10:15for development.
10:17The challenges of Wafaaq
10:19are in front of you.
10:21After paying the interest
10:23you repay everything
10:25through loans.
10:27This is a completely different
10:29situation compared to the provinces.
10:31We take international foreign loans
10:33and the interest is 100% Wafaaq
10:35but it benefits the whole of Pakistan.
10:37We should solve
10:39these issues with caution.
11:07More than half of the Pakistanis
11:09live in Punjab.
11:11The other three provinces
11:13are on one side.
11:15You should have given them
11:17a good message.
11:19In your opinion,
11:21the other provinces are
11:23criticizing the Punjab government.
11:25Is this right or wrong?
11:27What do you think?
11:29It is 100% right to give relief to the people.
11:31I have said this before
11:33and I will say it again.
11:35They are not part of Pakistan
11:37but they are trying to project.
11:39They want to create
11:41an atmosphere of
11:43indifference and
11:45hatred in the country.
11:47This will only increase
11:49the situation further.
11:51They are already
11:53talking about
11:5545 billion and
11:57hundreds of billions.
11:59If they had consulted
12:01everyone,
12:03it would have been
12:05much better.
12:07So, in your opinion,
12:09this is just a number
12:11but a provincial government
12:13is free under NFC.
12:15What do you mean by free?
12:17They can manage their budget.
12:19Yes, they can.
12:21We have no problem with that.
12:23If they want to do something,
12:25they can do it.
12:27Otherwise,
12:29what is happening in the country?
12:31Viewers,
12:33this debate is
12:35about IPPs.
12:37When we give
12:39capacity payments to IPPs,
12:41electricity becomes expensive.
12:43When electricity becomes expensive,
12:45then you have to take
12:47a budget from the people.
12:49Today, Don has published
12:51a news in the newspaper
12:53that from 1990
12:55till now,
12:5712 crore rupees
12:59have been taken advantage
13:01of IPPs.
13:03The decision was made
13:05on the policy-making level.
13:07In 1994, IPP policy was made.
13:09After that, in 1998,
13:11in 2013 and onward,
13:13this whole thing went on.
13:15According to this news,
13:17from the decade of 1990
13:19till 2023-2024,
13:21IPPs have received
13:23more than 12 crore rupees.
13:25In the year of Ramamali,
13:27the exception is
13:2921 crore rupees,
13:31which is more than
13:33the capacity charges.
13:35According to the government,
13:37IPPs belong to 40
13:39affluent families,
13:41who are directly or indirectly
13:43under the control of the government.
13:45The government said
13:47that 80% of the shares
13:49are under the control of the government.
13:51The government can do a lot on this.
13:53I don't know why
13:55the Sindh government
13:57is giving a severe reaction
13:59to this.
14:01They are under pressure
14:03or they want to do politics on this.
14:05Yesterday, Mr. Bilawal commented
14:07on this.
14:09The real problem is IPPs.
14:11Till this is not solved,
14:13they will do it for 2-3 months.
14:15Eventually, the money
14:17that the Punjab government
14:19will give,
14:21or the Sindh government,
14:23will go to the 40 families
14:25or the owners of IPPs.
14:27The real problem is
14:29how they will fight
14:31till this is not solved.
14:33As I said yesterday,
14:35the treatment has just started.
14:37The federal government,
14:39army chief and ISI
14:41are involved in this.
14:43Negotiations are going on
14:45with the IPPs.
14:47Their tariffs will be reduced.
14:49The prime minister will
14:51have to deal with this.
14:53Negotiations have advanced
14:55to a great extent.
14:57Mr. Abbas Lagari is speaking.
14:59Let's listen to him.
15:01You have to stay within the
15:03contracts and convince
15:05the IPPs to go for
15:07the betterment of your country.
15:09You will be happy to hear
15:11that the work on IPPs
15:13that was done in 3.5 months
15:15has never been done in
15:17the history of Pakistan.
15:19The government will give
15:21such good news
15:23that the government of Pakistan,
15:25the people of Pakistan
15:27and all the business
15:29sectors will be in a win-win situation.
15:31A task force has been formed.
15:33Intelligence agencies,
15:35whatever we need,
15:37we are all working together
15:39and will give you results
15:41in the next few months.
15:43It will be a win-win situation
15:45for everyone.
15:47The plan will be
15:49for at least 5 years.
15:51The work on energy
15:53will be carried out.
15:55As I said yesterday,
15:57the Prime Minister,
15:59Army Chief,
16:01DGSI,
16:03the Ministry of Energy
16:05will be involved.
16:07As far as
16:09Sindh is concerned,
16:11the other
16:13Sindh Jamaats
16:15are the
16:17ghost employees.
16:19If they say that
16:21there are many teachers
16:23who have been admitted there,
16:25there are ghost employees
16:27in many government offices,
16:29if they save their employees
16:31from there,
16:33they can give relief to the people.
16:35It is very easy to talk about this.
16:37You are saying that
16:39relief has been given for 2 months.
16:41What will you do after that?
16:43The consumption of electricity
16:45will be reduced.
16:47But the electricity units
16:49will remain expensive.
16:51Yes, but the consumption
16:53will be reduced.
16:55It affects your pocket.
16:57But what is the plan
16:59for the next 2 months?
17:01There is a plan for the next 2 months.
17:03The plan is that after electricity,
17:05gas will be given to the people.
17:07The usage of gas
17:09will increase.
17:11Subsidies will be given
17:13to the people of Punjab.
17:15This plan is
17:17to give relief to the people.
17:19They have to spend their month.
17:21In that month,
17:23they can give relief to the people.
17:25The focus is the same.
17:27Earlier, there was roti.
17:29The price of roti and wheat was reduced.
17:31We also criticized it openly.
17:33But today, people have managed it.
17:35At the moment,
17:37people are getting roti
17:39cheaply.
17:41Secondly,
17:43I am also a farmer.
17:45I am also a farmer.
17:47This is wrong.
17:49The plan of subsidies
17:51will not be given
17:53only in gas.
17:55Other women are also
17:57doing empowerment in Punjab.
17:59There are 4-5 women
18:01of the Punjab government.
18:03They tell us about it daily.
18:05I will tell you about it.
18:07You are taking permission
18:09from the Punjab government of Sindh.
18:11If there is quality in Sindh,
18:13praise it.
18:15The work in Sindh is done
18:17in the health sector.
18:19It is visible.
18:21Let's take you back
18:23to the past.
18:25I have my own story.
18:27This is the matter of June 2005.
18:29You know that Pakistan PTCL
18:31was in profit at that time.
18:33It was sold in the time of General Musharraf.
18:35Coincidentally,
18:37Mr. Awais Laghari,
18:39who is negotiating with IPPs,
18:41was the minister of IT at that time.
18:43You can see that news in Arab News.
18:45We sold
18:47PTCL to
18:49Atisalat.
18:51Till today,
18:53I will show you another story.
18:55I did it
18:57in 2014.
18:59Mr. Naqvi, you can see
19:01my story from 2014.
19:03I used to work in an English newspaper.
19:05After that,
19:07three more governments
19:09have gone.
19:11We have $800 million
19:13with us.
19:15We did not get it back.
19:17Mr. Laghari was the minister at that time.
19:19May God give us good news.
19:21We will make good agreements with IPPs.
19:23Let's go to the break.
19:25We will talk about politics
19:27after the break.
19:29Stay with us.
19:33We had meetings
19:35between Maulana Fazl Rehman
19:37and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab.
19:39At the delegation level,
19:41we had meetings
19:43with the PTI leaders
19:45who are out of jail.
19:47It was said that
19:49they will jointly
19:51run the Tahrif-e-Ayn-e-Movement
19:53and the anti-government movement
19:55in Pakistan.
19:57Maulana Fazl Rehman
19:59announced yesterday
20:01that he had experienced
20:03PDIM in 2022.
20:05He said that
20:07his experience
20:09was not good.
20:11He has decided
20:13to fight this war.
20:15We have decided
20:17to fight this war.
20:19Our experience
20:21in the past
20:23is not good.
20:25We do not want
20:27to embarrass anyone.
20:29We want to fight this war.
20:31We are ready
20:33to play our part
20:35as opposition.
20:37This can happen
20:39in the parliament
20:41or any other way.
20:43We have no objection.
20:45Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahin,
20:47do you see any
20:49life in this opposition movement
20:51or will it only be
20:53statements?
20:55I do not know about the opposition.
20:57I do not know if PDI
20:59will get results
21:01today or tomorrow.
21:03I have no opinion
21:05about this.
21:07I am not in any confusion.
21:09I am as clear
21:11as daylight.
21:13How will you
21:15get the results?
21:17One opinion
21:19is that
21:21until the questions
21:23on the February 8 elections
21:25are answered,
21:27this issue
21:29will not be solved
21:31and politics
21:33will not be able
21:35to do anything.
21:37The results of
21:39the February 8 elections
21:41will have to be accepted
21:43if you want to run
21:45the country
21:47according to the law.
21:49No one believes
21:51what will happen
21:53tomorrow.
21:55But they will keep
21:57playing their instruments.
21:59It has been
22:01three days
22:03since I have
22:05heard from
22:07a person
22:09that I have lost
22:11sleep at night
22:13when they are
22:15oppressing people.
22:17At that time,
22:19they do not care.
22:21This is their situation.
22:23I wish I could
22:25give you all the details
22:27on air.
22:29Okay.
22:31If they have any issue,
22:33they should go somewhere
22:35and talk about it.
22:37Mr. Nagri,
22:39when Maulana
22:41said that
22:43in the past,
22:45when there was
22:47PTI,
22:49do you think
22:51that Maulana is serious
22:53or some people
22:55think that he is
22:57increasing his influence
22:59and in the near future,
23:01Hassan has said
23:03that he might get
23:05an offer.
23:07First of all,
23:09what Mr. Chaudhary said
23:11about oppression is
23:13absolutely right.
23:15There should be
23:17a woman in the Prime Minister's
23:19house.
23:21We saw how Faryal Talpoor
23:23was arrested at night
23:25and taken to jail.
23:27A 14-year-old girl
23:29was arrested
23:31in front of her father.
23:33This oppression
23:35comes back
23:37again and again.
23:39What you said about
23:41Maulana,
23:43the religious communities in Pakistan
23:45like Jamaat-e-Islami,
23:47there is no doubt about it,
23:49they did a very successful protest.
23:51Jamaat-e-Islami got a
23:53big recognition in Pakistan.
23:55When Maulana saw that
23:57a community like Jamaat-e-Islami
23:59can do this,
24:01we are present in many assemblies
24:03and our public support
24:05is the same as that of Jamaat-e-Islami.
24:07Maulana then decided
24:09that he will fly solo
24:11and move forward
24:13and in the next few years
24:15the politics of religious communities
24:17will make a place in Pakistan.
24:19This is why Maulana decided
24:21to fly solo.
24:23Hassan Ayub was saying
24:25that
24:27there is an echo
24:29coming back.
24:31Echo is a very...
24:33It is the system of God.
24:35There are full circle things.
24:37Maqafat-e-Amal
24:39and we have seen in the past.
24:41It should not happen
24:43that after a year
24:45a side changes
24:47and the other side says
24:49that Maqafat-e-Amal is with them.
24:51We always talk about
24:53the government of the day.
24:55We have a buffet of information
24:57which suits our argument.
24:59But anyways,
25:01coming back to this,
25:03Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
25:05do you have any relations
25:07with Tahirat-e-Qaid?
25:09Tahirat-e-Qaid and Nawaz Sharif
25:11have a relationship of respect.
25:13Nawaz Sharif has been to
25:15Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman twice
25:17after becoming the Prime Minister.
25:19Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
25:21is a well-known politician.
25:23There is no politician
25:25like Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
25:27in this country.
25:29Nawaz Sharif does not
25:31understand politics as much
25:33as Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
25:35does.
25:37If he wants to come and
25:39synchronize with us,
25:41he can come.
25:43We will not go after anyone.
25:45We will have our issues
25:47and we will lead the way.
25:49Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman
25:51will have the leading role.
25:53The other important thing
25:55that I want to talk about
25:57was the brainchild of
25:59General Faiz Hamid.
26:01After the elections on 8th February,
26:03he could not manage
26:05the decision.
26:07General Faiz Hamid's
26:09brainchild was the
26:11Shosha of Form 45 and Form 47.
26:13He was trying to
26:15manage the decision
26:17of General Faiz Hamid.
26:19He did not convince
26:21Imran Khan that he will
26:23manage the decision
26:25of General Faiz Hamid.
26:27That is why he has
26:29requested the Supreme Court
26:31to make a judicial commission.
26:33The Supreme Court will
26:35take the decision
26:37and then we will
26:39manage the matter.
26:47We always talk about
26:49General Faiz Hamid
26:51or General Kiani
26:53or General Pasha
26:55or General Zaheer.
26:57If anyone breaks the
26:59law of this country,
27:01there should be action
27:03against them.
27:05Hassan Ayub's friend
27:07Barrister Aqeel
27:09narrated another story
27:11that on 8th February,
27:13people went mad
27:15and fell in love
27:17with a person.
27:19I don't know how
27:21to solve this problem.
27:23He apologized to the people.
27:25I don't know
27:27what kind of love
27:29he had for the people.
27:31I am sorry to say
27:33that this person
27:35did not give
27:37any chance
27:39to the country
27:41at any forum
27:43and his party
27:45did not give any chance
27:47to the people.
27:49I have put these facts
27:51in front of you.
27:53The documents that were
27:55passed in America,
27:57these are the facts
27:59that are in front of you
28:01and the eyes of the people
28:03of Pakistan.
28:05But still,
28:07there is a love
28:09and a relationship
28:11that I don't understand.
28:15Do you understand
28:17what Barrister Aqeel is saying?
28:19I know Barrister Aqeel
28:21since childhood.
28:23He is like my younger brother.
28:25He is like my younger brother.
28:27He is 8 or 9 years younger
28:29than me.
28:31He is like my elder brother.
28:33His elder brother is Aqeel,
28:35I mean Adeel.
28:37Barrister Aqeel
28:39is in politics
28:41now.
28:43Adeel and his uncle
28:45are not in politics
28:47now.
28:49He still has to
28:51learn a lot.
29:23that a Chief Minister can come in my place, listen to this.
29:26And there is no doubt that tomorrow, leaders of tomorrow,
29:30there will be a child standing in my place.
29:34Some friends were commenting on this,
29:37look, his father is the Chief Minister,
29:39then he made his brother the Chief Minister,
29:41then he got a chance, then he made his nephew Hamza Shahbaz,
29:45then he got a chance, now he has made his daughter.
29:48So it is possible that in the future,
29:49some other third generation should be ready.
29:51When he was listening to all this news,
29:54we were discussing the program in front of me, Mr. Naqvi,
29:57at this time, in America,
29:59the Democrats are nominating themselves formally,
30:02the convention that took place,
30:03the delegates gathered,
30:04I was seeing that scene in front of me,
30:06that when there is democracy in the parties,
30:09then a black farmer becomes the leader,
30:11then a white leader becomes the leader,
30:14there is also a mad man,
30:15if he goes and tells people,
30:17if he has an opinion, he speaks,
30:18Trump can also become the leader of his party.
30:20But this meeting of the Democrats,
30:22this is the beauty of democracy,
30:25successful, good people should move forward in the parties.
30:28Where is the break?
30:29After the break, talk,
30:30you have been commenting for a long time.
30:31One comment, one comment,
30:32I want to comment on Mariam.
30:34Look, Mariam Nawaz and Hamza Shahbaz,
30:37have cut the jalebi completely,
30:39have also sacrificed for the party,
30:40and today the Muslim League Nawaz has come into power again,
30:43it is because of Mariam Nawaz.
30:44Mariam Nawaz, at that time,
30:46I will put a slogan.
30:47Mariam Nawaz, at that time,
30:49Mr. Shoaib said that the party was completely late,
30:52and it was because of Mariam Nawaz.
30:54After the break, we will talk about the IT issue,
30:57the slowdown of the internet,
30:58what is going on?
30:59Stay with us.
31:04Viewers, the exports of IT have reached around 3 billion in Pakistan,
31:10which is a lot of encouragement,
31:12and it is being taken as a positive news.
31:15If I am not mistaken,
31:17exports in India have reached around 130 billion dollars.
31:21So look at the difference.
31:22We were ahead of them at one point.
31:24But anyways,
31:25the problem is that due to the slowdown of the internet,
31:29you are seeing it daily,
31:30you are seeing editorials,
31:31there is commentary.
31:32In Pakistan,
31:33obviously,
31:34the population of Pakistan,
31:35more than 60 percent,
31:36is dependent on youth,
31:39and youth is related to IT.
31:41IT, when the internet does not work directly,
31:44if its speed is not good,
31:45then what will IT do?
31:46We also gave you the statements of some experts on this issue.
31:50Now the question is,
31:52I was watching,
31:53Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif is also saying,
31:56pins hope on IT Pak to achieve 25 billion exports milestone.
32:01You can see this news.
32:02The Prime Minister said,
32:04today this news has been published.
32:05He is saying that we want to achieve 25 billion dollars.
32:09Today Mariam Sahiba also talked about this issue.
32:13Obviously,
32:14he is young,
32:15he is also talking about IT,
32:17about IT Pak.
32:18Listen.
32:20I am going to start that laptop scheme again, God willing.
32:24Nawaz Sharif,
32:25IT city is Pakistan's first IT city,
32:29which we are starting.
32:30In which,
32:31for all of you,
32:32I am going to make Pakistan's first artificial intelligence university.
32:38Artificial Intelligence University,
32:41AI.
32:42Viewers,
32:43there is a lot of work on AI these days.
32:45And there is.
32:46The reason is that everything is AI generated.
32:49A few days ago,
32:50you saw Mariam Sahiba's tweet.
32:52There,
32:53Times Square,
32:54in New York,
32:55Mr. Hassan Ayub is roaming around.
32:57You can tell this in a better way.
32:59Here,
33:00the paid advertisements run from all over the world.
33:03Governments also,
33:04to attract investment in their country.
33:08So here,
33:09obviously,
33:10Times Square,
33:11in America,
33:12in Pakistan,
33:13we are doing these things.
33:14But at the same time,
33:15when news goes around the world,
33:16from Pakistan,
33:17that Pakistan's internet is down,
33:19and the speed,
33:20the way it is moving forward,
33:22then obviously,
33:23questions are raised on it,
33:25and questions are raised.
33:26And,
33:27Mr. Nagvi,
33:28on one hand,
33:29we talk about 5G,
33:30we talk about IT exports,
33:32and when we raise questions,
33:35then Shaza Fatima Sahiba says,
33:37because people use VPN more,
33:39do you remember,
33:40in 2013,
33:41I don't know where you were at that time,
33:43one,
33:44what happened was,
33:45there was a lot of load shedding.
33:47So,
33:48there was a statement,
33:49that people have installed this at home,
33:51UPS,
33:53and because of their charging,
33:55the pressure increases,
33:56so we have to do load shedding.
33:58So,
33:59there is such a statement of a VPN.
34:00Yesterday,
34:01you told about 60 experts.
34:02What advice will you give to the government?
34:04You give very good advice.
34:05I will also request you,
34:07and other people also,
34:08Shaza Fatima Sahiba's statements,
34:10should not be taken seriously,
34:12because those who have trained her,
34:13will not be taken seriously.
34:14Mr. Haider Nagvi,
34:15listen to me,
34:16I live in Islamabad,
34:17for God's sake,
34:18you roam around the world,
34:20here,
34:21they will come and catch us,
34:23that in your program,
34:24you are giving us such serious advice.
34:27Shaza Fatima Sahiba is also a champion of giving such statements.
34:30And,
34:31I think these statements,
34:32I think,
34:33are given as a joke.
34:35She is the IT Minister of Pakistan.
34:37But,
34:38I will say something else,
34:39Mr. Prime Minister,
34:40she is more powerful than Pakistan.
34:41Look,
34:42IT is such a field,
34:43on which Pakistan's future depends.
34:47You,
34:48at least,
34:49give the ministry of IT to a professional.
34:51There are very big professionals in Pakistan.
34:53You told,
34:54our export is up to 3 billion dollars.
34:55There are people working,
34:56that is why it is there.
34:57You,
34:58give this ministry to a professional,
35:00who understands this work,
35:02and can take this work forward,
35:04in such a way,
35:05that,
35:06in the past few days,
35:07such big professionals came on the television screen,
35:09they told the reason,
35:11why the internet is slow,
35:12and also told its disadvantages,
35:14and how the internet can be improved,
35:15and also told the methods.
35:16You,
35:17take such a professional,
35:18and this ministry,
35:19the way you brought Muhammad Ali,
35:20for the electricity issues,
35:21he is a professional.
35:22Similarly,
35:23bring a professional for IT,
35:25and in Pakistan,
35:26IT,
35:27as an education,
35:28you take it to the streets and palaces of Pakistan.
35:30This will be the biggest reason for Pakistan's success.
35:33Yes.
35:34Ma'am,
35:35I was looking at Dr. Hassan's tweet,
35:37Yes, Dr. Omar.
35:38Dr. Omar,
35:39he was also saying,
35:40don't do this injustice.
35:41Without the internet,
35:42with the slow internet,
35:43you can't take the country forward.
35:44No,
35:45the internet has become very slow.
35:46There is no other opinion on this.
35:47But now,
35:48I have seen a competitive improvement.
35:49That is,
35:50it is getting better
35:51competitively
35:52than it was worse.
35:53And the second thing,
35:54that Mariam Nawaz was also telling,
35:55that making AI university,
35:56restarting the laptop scheme,
35:57this is a good thing,
35:58in comparison to,
35:59making Tiger Force.
36:00You see,
36:01the young people,
36:02what have they done to the young people?
36:03They are making Tiger Force.
36:04Here,
36:05thousands of young people
36:06are coming to the convention center,
36:07nothing is happening.
36:08You are Tiger Force.
36:09I mean,
36:10this has also happened in our country.
36:11And in our country,
36:12this is also happening,
36:13that AI university is being built,
36:14laptops are being given,
36:15I mean,
36:16competitively,
36:17and IT parks are being built.
36:18I remember,
36:19our researcher was saying,
36:20Tiger Force?
36:21No,
36:22no,
36:23she was telling,
36:24that this,
36:25I don't know,
36:26how many smart phones
36:27are to be distributed.
36:28So,
36:29she was saying,
36:30that now,
36:31kids will play,
36:32Candy Crush,
36:33and this,
36:34ping pong,
36:35which game do they play?
36:36Kids will play that.
36:37Yes,
36:38the internet situation is getting better.
36:39Okay,
36:40Mr. Chaudhary Gulam,
36:41Tiger Force will at least
36:42get better.
36:43Your,
36:44just one,
36:45I don't know,
36:46Mr. Chaudhary,
36:47Tiger Force,
36:48Tiger Force.
36:49Okay,
36:50Mr. Chaudhary,
36:51your,
36:52connectivity has got better,
36:53in your area,
36:54because,
36:55complaints were coming from everywhere,
36:56because,
36:57now-a-days,
36:58even old people,
36:59you know,
37:00have become addicted,
37:01to telephones,
37:02WhatsApp,
37:03and social media apps.
37:04Now,
37:05when the internet is slow,
37:06then,
37:07obviously,
37:08there is a shortage
37:09in their lives.
37:10Mr. Chaudhary,
37:11we are not getting
37:12in touch with Mr. Chaudhary.
37:13Now,
37:14what should we do?
37:15Hassan says,
37:16that,
37:17yes,
37:18the connection has got better,
37:19the system is working
37:20very well.
37:21Mr. Naqib has given
37:22a very good advice,
37:23but we are in Islamabad,
37:24so,
37:25please do us a favour.
37:26Ms. Shiza Fatima,
37:27do you know,
37:28whose relative is she?
37:29Khwaja Asif Sahib,
37:30whose relative is she?
37:31I told you,
37:32that Mr. Wazir-e-Diffan,
37:33is much more
37:34respected than her.
37:35So,
37:36you should take care of her.
37:37I don't know,
37:38where have you gone?
37:39In which corner of the world
37:40are you sitting?
37:41We have to survive
37:42in Pakistan.
37:43So,
37:44before leaving,
37:45please tell us,
37:46Mr. Chaudhary's time is over.
37:47Mr. Naqib,
37:48I will give it to you.
37:49Now,
37:50it is a good thing,
37:51to give laptops,
37:52everything,
37:53but people say,
37:54that we don't have internet.
37:55If we don't have internet,
37:56then what will we do
37:57with these gadgets?
37:58It will be useless.
37:59All our goals
38:00will be lost.
38:01Look,
38:02the thing is,
38:03in the last two,
38:04two and a half,
38:05three years,
38:06a lot of propaganda
38:07against Pakistan
38:08has been run,
38:09that Pakistan is
38:10a failed state
38:11and disappointment
38:12has spread a lot.
38:13If such statements
38:14and announcements
38:15come,
38:16that we are doing
38:17this for the youth,
38:18then it becomes
38:19a ray of hope.
38:20How much effort
38:21is put in it,
38:22God willing,
38:23he will tell.
38:24But such statements
38:25are also encouraging
38:26and it is very important
38:27for the youth.
38:28Ladies and gentlemen,
38:29you have heard
38:30the opinion
38:31of our panelists
38:32on this issue.
38:33That's all for today.
38:34God willing,
38:35we will meet again tomorrow.
38:36Allah Hafiz.