"We had concerns about Bajwa, Faiz but...," M. Zubair's big statement regarding Qamar Bajwa

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00:00 There was a hero in Pakistani films who never did anything wrong and did good work all his life.

00:08 And the villain could never do anything good.

00:11 There are no such characters in real life.

00:13 So, in any appointment, in any position, the person does good work and bad work.

00:21 It is not necessary to do bad work or good work, but the record is always mixed, generally mixed.

00:28 And the recent history of Pakistan's politics in the last 5-7 years is similar.

00:34 If we have concerns from the establishment, from General Bajwa or General Faiz Ameed,

00:41 especially with regard to General Bajwa, then where his credit was made,

00:46 like you said that Prime Minister Shibaz Sharif gave him credit,

00:50 so there his credit was made, but there was no overall statement that

00:56 he was a stellar performer in the last 6 years of General Bajwa.

01:00 Whether it was in the blacklist, or in the fat-off, or in the improvement of him,

01:06 or if he played a good role in many other issues,

01:10 then I think, whether you are a political opponent or whatever, you should appreciate that.

01:16 Pakistan's politics is so polarized that you take a one-sided view of anyone.

01:21 So, where we have concerns, and serious concerns, because when Nawaz Sharif talks,

01:27 he talks about the period from 2017 to the elections and after the elections,

01:35 the one-page system of supporting Imran Khan, we talk about that, and we are still in existence.

01:44 Imran Khan was selected by the selectors, and of course, General Bajwa did this project,

01:51 but he was not the initiator of this project.

01:54 Of course, for many years, General Shuja Pacha, Kiani, and all the people were involved.

01:59 So, they were the enablers, if you can call them enablers.

02:02 But, Rana Sinhaullah specifically talked about the change of the vote,

02:10 and the change of the vote, and the change of Imran Khan's government.

02:14 Is he right? Is this the right understanding? Will you endorse this statement?

02:19 I think, the statement you gave about Khwaja Asif was more relevant,

02:25 in which he acknowledged, I think you said,

02:29 Yes, the blank check one.

02:30 Yes, the school said that the blank check was given by Nawaz Sharif,

02:33 which we endorsed and voted for.

02:37 So, I think, yes, we should acknowledge this.

02:40 Whatever was the background, but we try to deny this many times,

02:45 that we were supporting the constitutional amendment.

02:49 No, we were supporting the extension of General Kamar Javed Bajwa.

02:53 It was very clear.

02:54 So, sir, in return, there are no free lunches in the blank check, right?

02:58 So, if you want to make your political opponent run, that's a pretty good deal.

03:03 So, after that, did we see that the matter went that way?

03:06 No, I am not endorsing Rana Sinhaullah's statement,

03:11 I am talking about his statement, Khwaja Asif's statement.

03:14 Rana Sinhaullah, in which background, I think,

03:17 yesterday, in some show, Rana Sinhaullah tried to explain it.

03:21 But I think he is the best person to explain.

03:23 Sir, what is the blank check in politics, Mr. Zubair, if you have not given it?

03:27 How do you interpret it?

03:29 I don't interpret it like you are doing.

03:34 The blank check means that, as Khwaja Asif said,

03:37 we knew that we would support this bill,

03:41 so in return, General Kamar Javed Bajwa will get a three-year extension.

03:46 If we had not done it, it would not have happened.

03:48 So, sir, what will you get?

03:49 This is absolutely correct to this extent.

03:51 What will PMLN get?

03:52 What will we get?

03:53 PMLN did not get anything.

03:56 What did they get?

03:57 This is the matter of November 2019.

04:00 So, you tell PMLN that after November 2019,

04:04 2020 has passed,

04:06 and what did they get in the last 9-10 months of 2021?

04:09 They did not get anything.

04:10 The policies were running in the same way.

04:12 General Bajwa was supporting the government of Imran Khan in the same way,

04:16 despite the fact that the government of Imran Khan had very severe weaknesses,

04:20 in terms of economy, foreign policy, and other issues.

04:24 But General Bajwa was standing alongside Imran Khan.

04:28 This interpretation of yours will be a little different from the one of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaab.

04:32 For example, if I am correct,

04:35 you have misled the government of Imran Khan,

04:38 and then you have agreed to it.

04:39 Then you misled the government of Imran Khan and then you have come back to the PDM-Ittihad,

04:43 because all these claims are made by the political forces.

04:46 So, you have done the right thing.

04:48 No, I will tell you that.

04:50 I will tell you that and clarify it.

04:52 If we acknowledge something, we do it.

04:56 Please try to understand this thing.

04:58 Our stance from the first day was that the government is standing on the support of the establishment.

05:04 And Imran Khan himself, after being separated from the government,

05:08 acknowledged one thing in an interview,

05:11 that when we used to get votes in the parliament, we used to take the support of the agencies.

05:16 Our stance was that the PDM-Ittihad is a political opponent.

05:21 Let us compete with them in the political field.

05:24 You move back, the establishment.

05:27 You remove the ladder that you have put.

05:30 And after that, let us see what happens.

05:32 After that, how much strength do we have?

05:35 How much dent can we put from the coalition partners?

05:39 This is our right in the parliamentary system.

05:41 And what happened in the end,

05:43 that the NPM and the Baab party,

05:45 they had voted for Imran Khan in 2018.

05:48 In 2022, they moved towards us and voted for him.

05:52 When you give an example of the NPM and Baab party,

05:56 you are not making your case so strong.

05:58 You can mention other parties, but when you give a vote to the party,

06:02 the impression…

06:03 No, no, this is the reality.

06:04 How can I deny?

06:06 This is a reality, a historic reality.

06:10 That in 2018, the Baab party and the NPM supported Imran Khan.

06:14 Because the wind was there.

06:15 When the wind was towards you, they voted for you.

06:18 I am saying this.

06:19 No, no, no, the wind was not there.

06:22 In 2018, the wind was clearly towards PTI.

06:26 And in that, obviously, it could have been,

06:29 or rather, as you are saying,

06:32 the establishment may have told them.

06:35 But in 2022, the wind changed because,

06:39 it did not change because the NPM and Baab party,

06:43 they had a great rethinking.

06:45 They had seen Imran Khan.

06:47 They had seen Imran Khan's performance.

06:49 They had their own political compulsions.

06:51 That if they continue with Imran Khan,

06:53 then they will lose in the next election.

06:55 So this was their own political compulsion,

06:58 and then there was no pressure on them.

07:00 And they came to us.

07:01 In this, I think, we read too much into it.

07:04 Okay, in regards to Nawaz Sharif's return,

07:07 what's the plan?

07:08 Will he get down at the airport like before,

07:10 and then there will be rallies,

07:12 and then he will go to Minari Pakistan like that,

07:14 or the new statement you must have heard,

07:16 of Javed Latif,

07:17 now it will be just a rally at Minari Pakistan.

07:20 So has your strategy been finalized,

07:22 in this regard?

07:24 Shahid Kaka Anabasin had said in an interview,

07:29 that Javed Latif knows everything.

07:32 So, as far as I am concerned,

07:35 the plan has not been finalized.

07:36 Okay.

07:37 We, as far as Sindh is concerned,

07:40 I have been given the responsibility,

07:42 that we are making a lot of arrangements,

07:45 to welcome him.

07:47 Whether it will be in Minari Pakistan,

07:49 in regards to the Jalsa,

07:50 or in regards to the rally,

07:52 so when it is finalized,

07:53 I think everyone will know.

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