"Hum chand par isliye nahi pohnche kyukay hum ny chand charhaye hain Pakistan par...," Ather Kazmi

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00:00 We are used to writing the book ourselves.

00:03 We are used to making assumptions.

00:05 We sometimes expect this, sometimes we expect that.

00:08 We are talking about things like we are sitting in South Sudan,

00:11 there is no mirror, there is no food war,

00:14 there is a problem, what is the neighbouring country doing?

00:16 There is no such thing.

00:18 50 years ago our elders had settled some principles.

00:22 It is so difficult that why should we go for something new?

00:25 That Chief Justice will give us this, he cannot give us anything.

00:29 The law that is there, the one that our elders, the politicians gave to this country,

00:34 we should make it work.

00:36 How will that happen?

00:37 No, Mr. Bhandayal will say while leaving that the court has been disrespected.

00:41 With due respect, sir what did you do to stop that disrespect?

00:45 Okay, the 17 judges who were sitting that day,

00:48 they did not let us speak a second time.

00:51 The judges were fighting the case,

00:55 and the kind of attitude they had, they did not let us speak.

00:59 If in every case the full court is made, nothing will work here.

01:02 We need full commitment,

01:05 with the law and the constitution, whether it is of the political parties or the media.

01:08 Okay, let us discuss this.

01:10 If you want to follow the law and the constitution,

01:12 it is not possible that two political parties give up

01:16 and say, keep the law and the constitution aside,

01:19 and deal with us.

01:21 It always happens that one party stays in the opposition,

01:24 and two parties make their own game.

01:26 But only the political parties.

01:28 No, the political parties have also given up.

01:30 I have always said that my expectation is from the political parties,

01:35 that if this law is enforced,

01:38 the way you heard the discussion in this parliament against the court in the last 16 months,

01:43 you saw the legislation,

01:46 you passed a law against the disrespect of the parliament.

01:50 Why don't you do the same for the constitution?

01:52 No, that is the issue.

01:54 If everyone says, there will be a law that says the constitution.

01:57 It is an easy way.

01:58 Why don't you say?

01:59 We don't say because of our interests.

02:01 Power game?

02:02 Exactly, it is a power game.

02:04 But the problem is that the whole world is in a power game.

02:07 But there is no principle compromise in the world.

02:09 What we used to say here,

02:11 we used to say that we cannot get elections in two provinces.

02:14 Because God knows what will happen,

02:17 elections are not happening in Wafaaq.

02:19 Today it is happening in Gujarat, tomorrow in Punjab,

02:22 day after tomorrow in UP,

02:24 after that in Nagaland.

02:25 Every state has its own.

02:27 This is Wafaaq.

02:28 Sir, the argument is different.

02:30 They have reached the moon,

02:32 or they have reached the default.

02:33 There is a big difference.

02:34 The argument that is given to us,

02:36 that we don't have money.

02:38 Why didn't we reach the moon?

02:39 We didn't reach the moon because we have climbed the moon in Pakistan.

02:42 If we had followed the law,

02:44 we would have at least been able to see the moon.

02:47 If we had reached there,

02:49 we would have seen it.

02:50 No, our Mullahs have seen it.

02:51 No, not everyone can see it at one time.

02:53 Some can see it, some cannot.

02:54 The issue is that we are back to basics.

02:57 We blame the politicians a lot,

02:59 that the politicians are bad, this is this, that is that.

03:01 But the shoulders that come forward and backward,

03:03 those shoulders should also be relaxed.

03:05 Everyone has their own role,

03:07 whether it is Adaliya.

03:08 Why will the shoulders relax themselves?

03:10 If you yourself go and be a politician,

03:13 then that system will continue.

03:15 Sir, I am asking you an argument.

03:17 You are answering me that I have a right,

03:19 which I have been exercising for many years.

03:22 Why would I give it up?

03:24 You have to take it away.

03:26 The problem is that with change,

03:28 you have to evolve with it.

03:31 If you don't evolve, then you are finished.

03:34 Whether it is the political party,

03:35 whether it is the state,

03:36 whatever it is.

03:37 The era we are going through now,

03:39 this is the course correction that should be done in the country in the 1990s.

03:44 If a leader had stood up in that era,

03:46 and taken a stance,

03:48 believe me, we would not be having this debate today.

03:50 And this course correction,

03:51 we don't need to go too far.

03:52 You look at your region, you look at Taiwan,

03:54 look ahead and look behind.

03:55 You will find many such examples.

03:57 So, the politicians have to decide,

03:58 the Adaliyas have to decide,

03:59 everyone has to decide what to do.

04:02 Law and the constitution, back to basics.

04:04 Don't force it.

04:05 By the way, the small thing about this is that,

04:06 I will take a break.

04:07 Yes, this is about the shoulders.

04:09 When two parties, after Ghalam Guloch,

04:11 and then the Saqib democracy,

04:12 realized that instead of using their shoulders,

04:15 they are trying to make decisions.

04:17 So, they created a Khilendra, a Ladla,

04:21 in the form of a crowd,

04:22 and destroyed Pakistan.

04:23 They brought him,

04:24 and he still doesn't believe that you can take back your love from me.

04:28 He still wants the same.

04:29 He didn't believe it before,

04:30 he got his love back,

04:31 he will give it back.

04:32 No, no, I am saying,

04:33 if he understands,

04:34 he will put a Ladla.

04:35 That is the thing.

04:36 You will have to bring,

04:37 Aditya Bose,

04:38 Aditya Bose,

04:39 and everyone else.

04:40 The military,

04:41 everyone,

04:42 everyone will have to bring him.

04:43 Listen, listen,

04:44 I agree with you,

04:45 I agree with you,

04:46 what happened in the last five years?

04:48 The anger of Mr. Mian was also the same,

04:50 that you will bring him and leave me.

04:52 And when the matter was decided,

04:54 then there was a discussion on No Comment.

04:55 This is acceptance.

04:56 No, no,

04:57 this is our...

04:58 No, no, no,

04:59 this is not that simple.

05:00 This is so simple, sir.

05:01 No, no, no,

05:02 when in 2014,

05:03 a candidate came,

05:04 and you put protests on him.

05:05 You did wrong.

05:06 And the audio of that protest,

05:07 should be played to the PM House,

05:08 to that Army Chief,

05:09 and he will say,

05:10 I didn't know this was happening.

05:11 I mean,

05:12 this is what we were doing.

05:13 I agree with you.

05:14 Then,

05:15 you and I will have to bring him.

05:16 If you come and sit in public,

05:17 If a protest comes in 2014,

05:18 then we have to sit and do it.

05:19 If a protest comes in 2019,

05:20 then we have to sit and do it.

05:21 If a protest comes in 2019,

05:22 then we have to sit and do it.

05:23 If a protest comes in 2019,

05:24 I am saying,

05:25 then where is the way?

05:26 Then you have to bring him in 2014.

05:27 You cannot bring him from Nisabi.

05:28 Quickly,

05:29 quickly,

05:30 see, we are a security state.

05:31 We are not a democratic state.

05:33 And in security states,

05:35 this is what is happening here.

05:37 We have to change our identity.

05:39 If we have to change the identity of a security state,

05:41 then like brother was saying,

05:42 we have to follow the rules.

05:44 We have been given the way.

05:45 The interference in politics,

05:48 that today I will support this,

05:49 tomorrow I will oppose that,

05:50 I like this,

05:51 I don't like this,

05:53 I will remove this.

05:54 This matter,

05:55 it is costly.

05:56 I think we need another Charter of Democracy.

05:58 But this time,

05:59 everyone has to say,

06:00 we have to make it first.

06:01 If we want a Charter,

06:02 we will have an economy.

06:03 Once these political things are agreed,

06:05 we will not be like this.

06:06 You have to agree on everything at once.

06:08 If you want a Charter,

06:10 then you need a Charter for Pakistan 800.

06:13 That today we are 76 years old,

06:15 after 23 years,

06:16 when we will be 100 years old,

06:18 then we will ensure that

06:20 we are not sitting and talking,

06:21 we are not doing this,

06:22 our children are not doing this.

06:23 And we have put the country on a track.

06:25 So we have to do this.

06:27 And now,

06:28 Kashif bhai,

06:29 the cost has gone up so much,

06:31 today,

06:32 because of the security state,

06:34 all these interference are going on.

06:36 But today,

06:37 India's defence budget,

06:39 is more than the total budget.

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