Will CJP Isa be able to fix deteriorating situation of SC?

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00:00 The question is, in this era, the wrongful conviction is not permissible.

00:07 They say that either there will be a lot of correction or there will be a lot of corruption.

00:11 Your thoughts?

00:12 God forbid, is the situation of the 90s also looking like corruption?

00:19 I don't think that this will happen.

00:23 I think that in the next 12-13 months, Chief Justice and Chief Justice Esa will do a lot of things.

00:31 I think they will play a lot on the front foot.

00:34 I don't think they will attack a fellow judge internally.

00:40 Or they will create more split or cracks.

00:45 I think they will go in the other direction.

00:48 And the big things that they have to do, which should be in Pakistan according to their ideology and their thinking,

00:55 and the big cases, I think he will move to decide them.

00:59 They will not be in a hurry, they will not be on interim order.

01:02 I think they will want to do a lot of things on one side.

01:05 There are many such cases in it that are dormant.

01:08 And I think they will try to revive them too, so that they can decide.

01:12 And then the military court, the election, I think he will not shy away from these decisions.

01:18 And I think they will play on the front foot.

01:20 And more external...

01:22 Haider sir, none of us are experts in psychology, of course, we are sitting in this panel and talking,

01:28 but it is obvious that a person's psychology, even if he is a jurist,

01:32 is very superb in his field, but the incidents that have happened,

01:37 like the side-line, the allegedly making of a bench,

01:42 and then the situation of the court in most cases,

01:47 working in chambers, what is the impact of this?

01:52 And especially some sticky things, some lawsuits came up.

01:57 Then in such a situation, to take it as the main issue, they are two different things.

02:02 That is, to make decisions is something else, but to take the whole judiciary along,

02:08 will it be easy?

02:10 Very good question.

02:12 And now they will have these two ways,

02:14 that do they take revenge by doing more of what he wants and does,

02:19 which is their ideology, which was not happening according to their right things,

02:24 so they take revenge by doing the right things,

02:27 which were being stopped according to them.

02:30 Will their response and reaction be that all these things,

02:34 the rights of the Chief Justice or interference in parliamentary affairs,

02:38 whatever things he holds dear,

02:40 with respect to which he has also written letters,

02:43 and whatever are his widely held ideological and constitutional beliefs,

02:50 will they implement them and take revenge when they were not allowed to do this?

02:58 Or will they bring it down from the ideas and concepts,

03:03 and take revenge from the individuals who did not let them do all this?

03:07 I think I have hope and I expect that it will be the formal.

03:12 And I think that the work that was being stopped by them,

03:16 I am taking revenge in the sense that their reaction, I think,

03:20 and I hope that it will be that all the things that were being stopped by them,

03:24 they try to achieve those great things in the context of their thoughts,

03:28 their decisions, their capabilities,

03:37 from which they were being stopped, from which the Supreme Court shies away.

03:41 I think that will be, should be, I hope it will be his legacy,

03:46 rather than that this squabbling and the fight between each other gets more heated.

03:51 And then it can get heated, it has been heated for a long time.

03:57 So I really hope that this will not happen.

03:59 And he will rise up, he will go after the real issues.

04:03 And if that is what he wants, he wants a big legacy,

04:06 then he needs to go after the real issues.

04:08 And the only thing he needs to depend on is his own widely held belief system and ideology

04:14 and his precedents and his legacy.

04:16 If he takes that principle forward and implements it,

04:19 that is the way to react to what happened to him.

04:22 I don't think he needs to make it person specific.

04:24 Hmm. Okay.

04:27 Mr. Lagari, now let's come to some political issues.

04:30 We have already discussed this topic.

04:32 The things that are coming up regarding People's Party and Noon League,

04:37 Mr. Abbasi, Mr. Hanif Abbasi, pressed a conference and the reaction to it.

04:42 Was this an accidental friendly fire or a deliberate attempt?

04:48 Obviously, the ideology is different, there is an agenda to be run,

04:52 maybe elections will be held.

04:55 What is happening internally in your view?

04:59 I think we should understand that there are two different parties

05:04 and there are different ideologies of two different parties.

05:07 Now the era of views is no longer the same as we have seen in the 60s and 70s.

05:14 In the 80s, there was a time of great struggle,

05:17 the way people have fought with Malishah, with Zakar Allah Khan, with Jabr.

05:23 So that era is no longer the same.

05:26 Then we have seen the era of the 90s,

05:29 in which there was a proper arrangement,

05:32 with which the establishment has decided that someone has to give it to someone,

05:36 someone has to not give it, how much to give, how much not to give,

05:39 all this was then an arranged system.

05:43 Now there is a real need that Pakistan is going through a serious crisis.

05:51 As far as Justice Qazi Faiz is concerned, I just wanted to say this,

05:56 I have said it and then I will come to you,

05:59 that they showed the ceremonial,

06:02 that they will not do more than this,

06:05 so they just had to show this,

06:08 and this was non-conventional,

06:10 there is never a convention that they call the wife and say,

06:14 "Come and sit with us, then we will get up."

06:17 This was a symbolic thing and ceremonial,

06:21 and they will just go and finish the matter,

06:24 then there will be nothing else,

06:27 who feels that they have gone towards Vendetta,

06:30 or have gone towards revenge,

06:32 or have gone to show someone,

06:34 they just had to show one thing, it was shown,

06:36 that's it, it will not be further.

06:38 As far as the two parties are concerned,

06:40 both parties have different ideologies,

06:43 both have different past,

06:45 both have different legacies,

06:47 both have stood at different places,

06:49 and both have similar issues,

06:53 and I think they have a good experience of the past,

06:58 and that experience was that they had a Charter of Democracy,

07:03 this was also a political big mess in the history of Pakistan,

07:09 as a result of which the 18th amendment came,

07:12 and the concurrent list that had been in the Satkhana for a long time,

07:17 that the one who will keep it with him,

07:19 and it will not be devolved towards the Subuh,

07:22 so they came,

07:23 now it will be that the powers should be brought down further,

07:27 and they should be taken towards the third tier of democracy,

07:30 so I think they will try to make it more expensive.

07:34 The real problem is that the situation is polarized,

07:37 the situation is so polarized,

07:39 that it is not visible from within,

07:42 that which party achieves the status of a Charter of Democracy,

07:48 every time,

07:49 this time those who used to put their hands on their shoulders,

07:53 now they are thinking that the ones who used to plant pots,

07:56 the ones who used to plant nurseries,

07:57 and then they used to water them,

07:58 they used to plant,

07:59 they have seen the result of that,

08:00 what is the result of that?

08:02 Now we will have to see that the government that will come,

08:05 Will there be an elected representative government or not?

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