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00:00the Curtis Camp query of the day. Curtis? All right, so offense is on my mind. I am
00:07very interested to see what Josh McDaniels does. Quick statistical breakdown of the Patriots since
00:14the GOAT left. The only offensive season that was halfway decent was 2021. They averaged 27.2
00:22points per game. Last year they averaged 17. In 2023 they averaged less than 14. If the Patriots are
00:32successful on offense this year, why will it be? And if they fail, who will you blame? Two-sided.
00:39Do you believe the Patriots can get back to the Mac Jones season? Just answering the question first
00:45before everybody. I believe if they are not better than 27 points a game, the 2021 Patriots season,
00:53it is a failure. And if they do not, I will not blame Josh McDaniels. I will blame Drake May.
01:00Hmm. Hmm. I think that I would blame, I'd be more likely to put the blame on Drake May than I would
01:11on Josh McDaniels. I, although I would ask Wiggy this, how similar do you think this offense will
01:17be to that, you know, Josh McDaniels, like that offense that is his offense with Mac Jones?
01:24I think it'll be very similar with the, the nuances or the kind of like add-ons will be the
01:30ability that Drake May has to run the football. Right. So you'll, you'll add in the RPOs. You didn't
01:35really do that with Mac Jones. You'll have the ability for Drake May, some design run
01:40plays. Um, you put him maybe more on the move because of his athletic ability. So I think it's
01:46still going to be the same offense, you know, the, the same offensive foundation that I was in,
01:54that Brady was in, that Mac Jones was in just what a little bit different of a sprinkle because
02:01you're not one who goes into a complete panic if they're actually designing runs for their
02:06quarterback. No, God forbid you do that. Utilize that. But Drake has said he doesn't
02:10want to rush as much as he did last year. And I would say, listen, we're not going to
02:14rush you a ton, but we're going to utilize your skillset. I will also say, Curtis, I think
02:20a step towards a successful season next year, you have to have a receiver that has over a
02:25thousand yards. The last receiver that we had that recorded a thousand yard was Julian Edelman
02:302019. Like that is a drought. That's insane. If you look at the last six years and you don't
02:38have a single receiver on the Patriots that have reached, has reached that, that's the first step.
02:43So I would, so you would say maybe Steph Diggs would be the reason they're successful this
02:46year. If he could do that. Yeah. If there's, if they're successful this year, it's because
02:52because of Drake may offensively. And if they're not, it's going to be because of Drake may, right?
03:02When you look at, I might blame the offensive line. I might put it on Moses. Well, I think
03:07shine would lean more towards it being Josh McDaniels fault. If they're not successful,
03:11I get like, I think it has to, it depends how it looks, Greg. Like you can't just, it's hard
03:17to prognosticate exactly how the offensive season is going to go. Cause I think asking for 27 points
03:22a game means you're asking for them to be a top 10 offense in football, which I think
03:26is a very big ask. Like I, I would like to be inside of the top half. So you have to
03:31be 15th or better in terms of total offense. Like that to me is a successful offensive season.
03:37If you're not, then yeah, there's a lot of questions about Drake may. I don't disagree
03:40with that. I mean, look at 2021 in this season at every position outside of right tackle
03:47center and guard. They're better. They're as good or better at tight end. They're as good
03:53or better at running back. They're much better at receiver. And they, according to shine should
03:58be exponentially better at the most important position quarterback. Yeah. But you also have
04:02to look back at that 21 team and remember that they had a top like three defense in all
04:07of football, Curtis, a lot of that points number was inflated. Cause they had what two 50 point
04:14games against dog, dog water teams, right? The most important position was occupied by
04:19someone you believe to be a moron. Correct. And he sucked and he proved that. Well, okay.
04:24So if you can do that, maybe the defense doesn't have to be top three. Maybe the defense can
04:29just be top 10 and you have a quarterback that's actually good. That can balance that
04:34out and get you back to 27. I mean, statistically shine's talking about the defense being responsible
04:39for a lot of those points in Mac Jones season. That's what you're arguing. I think there
04:44were number two in the league in turnovers that year. Like that defense was insanely
04:48talented and put you in positions to score points really fast and really easily. I could
04:53see the points theory, right? I could see what I'm saying based on points. Are you getting
04:56short fields? Are, are some of those points coming off of pick sixes or those types of
05:02things? I could see what I'm saying, but look at all the money they invested in their defense
05:06this off season. The defense should be a top 10 defense should be good. Your offense should
05:11look like the thing about the offense in 2021 and you know, and whether you were a Mac
05:19Jones fan or you weren't, I wasn't a Mac Jones fan. The offense for the most part looked
05:25capable. It looked like a real offense. It wasn't this high flying offense that scored
05:32a ton of points where you're like, okay, this is why they score points because Mac is throwing
05:37the ball all over the field. He did a good job. He was a guy that, you know, made the
05:42right decisions. They ran the ball well. And so when you look at this year's team, I think
05:48they're going to put more on Drake May's plate and they're going to, so when the success is
05:54going to come offensively for what Drake May is able to do or not do. And if he's not able
06:02to go out there and elevate, make plays, then we're going to put it on Drake May. If he's able
06:09to go out there and make plays, then we're obviously going to give him the credit. So I
06:13think it squarely falls on the shoulders of Drake May when it comes to the success of this team
06:19offensively. I just am curious about the Pats fan and their patience with McDaniels and allowing
06:26this offense to develop with Drake May this year, because I believe them to be a playoff team.
06:32And the Dolphins just lost one of their corners and an already sort of a weak position point.
06:37They just got a guy out for the season, according to rap sheet this morning.
06:41Coder, uh, the division is ripe for the taking. And I think the Patriots are more talented than
06:48the Dolphins and more talented than the Jets. I don't think they're more talented than the
06:51Bills. Right. But I do love the fact that you have Steph Diggs going up against his old
06:56team twice. He seems like a guy that rises to those occasions. The excuses should not be
07:02there. The defense should be much better. It has Vrabel and all the guys they brought
07:07in and the offense should have a second year jump from Drake May with McDaniels and Steph
07:14Diggs, not to mention one of the guys, whether it's Pop Douglas or the shoeless guy, who knows
07:20you have Hunter Henry back at tight end. Like they should be good.
07:23Also, you'll find out if the philosophy and I, it must've been Elliot Wolfe's or Robert Kraft's
07:29because it wasn't Gerard Mayos, but the philosophy of letting Drake May sit for a good part of that
07:36season, that, that should pay off this year. If that was the right, the right way to do it.
07:41Correct. Yeah. I mean, I guess, but I still, I'm always under the impression, the more real snaps
07:50you get. No, I understand that. But, but, but that, and that's what Gerard Mayo wanted clearly
07:55because he said it on this show, but they, you know, whoever was driving that internally that it,
08:02they, if they are correct, then that should work in Drake May's favor.
08:05Yeah. If they're, if they're, if they believe in the theory that they're pushing where it's like,
08:10oh, we're not going to rush this guy in, but I'm not one that believes in that theory. I'm one that
08:14believes in, I want to see my guy go out there and either he can sink or he can swim. And if it
08:20looks like he can swim, then we can build off of that. Right. Then we get a good offensive coordinator
08:25in here, like Josh McDaniels, this team, when you look at this Patriots football team this year,
08:30I still think Buffalo is the leader in the division obviously because of Josh Allen. They
08:38don't have that legit number one, but Josh Allen has, has enough talent to elevate everybody and
08:43get guys involved in that, that passing game. If you're not successful, then Drake May hasn't been
08:52able to make that jump and turn the corner. We're going to be questioning him. And then we're going to
08:57be questioning Mike Vrabel and his coaching approach, because if you're losing games,
09:03well, what's going on defensively on paper, you should be good. But if defensively you're not
09:08doing Mike, what's going on with the defense here? You're coaching. Do we got to change the
09:12coordinator? Is it the game plan? What's going on? So in that order, you're going to question Drake
09:18May first, and then you're going to question Mike Vrabel. Josh McDaniels is really third to answer
09:23Curtis's question. Yeah. Uh, this is, uh, Robbie in the car, Robbie, what's up?
09:29Uh, Hey guys. First time, long time. Um, I'm just, I'm just curious, like if Curtis thinks that
09:36even if the Pats have like 22 points, uh, per game average, but have 11 wins because we control the
09:44ball and have a really good defense, is there, would you still blame people on that? And then I'll hang
09:50up the most of them. No, I mean, if you win 11 games, I don't think there'll be a lot of
09:54negativity going around. There's obviously that means that Drake May wasn't losing you games.
09:59He wasn't throwing backbreaking picks or doing dumb things with the football, which is probably
10:03the most important thing, right? Like at the end of the day, it comes down to be honest, the best,
10:07the best that for Drake May this season is going to be touchdowns to interceptions. Cause if he
10:11throws 20 touchdowns, but only throws seven picks and you win 10 or 11 games, everybody's going to be
10:16fine. But if, and again, to the opposite side, like if he throws 40 touchdowns and 12 picks,
10:22but you only won seven games, people are still going to be unhappy because you didn't win more
10:26games. Yeah. I mean, I think the big stat for anybody is wins and he won one game last year.
10:31So if he wins 11 this year, I won't care if they do it running the ball. They're not going to win 11
10:36games this year. It's more likely they went 11 than shy. I'm saying less than six, but I never said less
10:42than six. Man, we're just, we keep going lower and lower guys. I think nine is a, nine is a very
10:48fair nine to expect. I think, I think it's fair to expect nine. You have settled it on Greg's fence
10:55very well. I mean, Ordway's fence. If, if you, if they do what you said, Simon, you said Drake May's
11:01thrown what 40 touchdowns and what 11 interceptions, 12 interceptions. Is that what you said? Yeah. And
11:06they're, but they're, but they're like a below 500 team. And then I think he's looked more like
11:12Justin Herbert, where it's not Drake May. It could be the coach. Well, yeah. So Wiggy, I think your
11:20analysis of the process, like the, the people you're going to look at first is correct. Like
11:25you're good. It's going to go Drake May, Mike Vrabel, then Josh McDaniels, because if May is playing
11:30really good, but they're still losing games, clearly the defense is bad. Like if you go out
11:34and you lose 30 to 27 to the Raiders in week one, it's probably not because if you score
11:3827 points, it's not because Drake May's playing poorly. It's because the defense is bad. He
11:42becomes Josh. Uh, I say Josh, Justin Herbert and the chart with the charges puts up the good
11:48numbers and you're like, what's going on? And then you're like, well, he doesn't have the
11:52right coach. He doesn't have the right coach. Then he gets the coach and Jim Harbaugh and look
11:57how it changes. But minus Steph digs, does Drake may have the right weapons to be able to do
12:02that. I mean, I, depending on who ends up being in that wide receiver room. To me, it's more the
12:07offensive line than it is like the weapons. Like it's just, if they give him five seconds, then yeah,
12:13he should be able to complete passes to pop Douglas, Kyle Williams, Stefan digs, Hunter Henry,
12:17you name or run himself. Like, but if he's getting, you know, bull rushed by Max Crosby on every single
12:23play in week one, there's always so much you could do because you think about Justin Herbert when he's
12:29had some of those pretty decent seasons. What if they signed the tickler, put him on the offensive
12:33line to scare defenders? He could do that. He, he didn't have like, like his weapons were good,
12:39but they weren't like elite. He had Keenan Allen who was a little bit older, Mike Williams, who was
12:45up and down. Who else did the charges have? Um, they, they didn't have Quentin Johnston who can't
12:52catch a football, right? So Justin Herbert, when you look at his numbers, he, he never had like that
12:57legit guy. So I think Drake may can kind of be in that, that, that type of statistical world
13:03and the team not do well where you go, Oh, we have the quarterback, but what, what's the other
13:09pieces? Curtis, good one today. Thank you, Curtis camp query of the day. And
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