Ryan Clark's Playbook For Wealth From Interceptions To Investments

Name: Ryan Clark's Playbook For Wealth From Interceptions To Investments
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NFL champion Ryan Clark joined Forbes senior writer Jabari Young on The Enterprise Zone at the Nasdaq MarketSite. During the discussion, Clark recaps his decorated NFL career, his diverse business portfolio, including his role with The Pivot podcast, and his perspective on calculated risks in investment.

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0:00 - Introduction: Welcome to the Enterprise Zone
1:11 - Ryan Clark's Investment Strategy: From Real Estate to Training Facilities
3:00 - Who is Ryan Clark Today? "You Are The Business"
4:49 - Motivation for 2025 & NFL Training Camp Preview
6:33 - Can the Eagles Repeat? & A Sleeper Team to Watch
9:02 - The Mindset of an NFL Player in Training Camp
11:15 - Do Players Read Social Media? & The 'Solid and Steady' Mentality
13:46 - Why I'm NOT a Risk Taker in Business
16:30 - The Business of The Pivot Podcast & Why They Left Fanatics
19:42 - The Future of Podcasting & What's His 'Sell' Number?
22:52 - Is the Media 'Beef' Real? & Louisiana Roots
24:59 - Being a Girl Dad & The Dream of Being a Teacher
28:09 - The Lowest Point: Getting Cut & The Prayer That Changed Everything
31:48 - Career in One Word & Advice for His Son in the NFL
33:57 - New Venture: Tackling CTE for Veterans & Athletes
36:04 - Why I Don't Invest in Crypto & My Empire in One Word
38:00 - How I Spent My First Million
40:08 - Dysfunction in the NFLPA: What's Wrong & How to Fix It
41:52 - Investing in Dubai & Why I Drive a 2015 Tundra
44:03 - Good vs. Great: The Difference Maker & Remembering Sean Taylor

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00:00He's one of the most dynamic sports media personalities, NFL champion turned podcaster.

00:06Telling you, you're going to love this brother. He's been talking since grade school, right?

00:10Just spitting it right out.

00:11Talking business with former Pittsburgh Steelers legend, Ryan Clark.

00:15You're in the Enterprise Zone at the NASDAQ.

00:22Hello everyone, it's Jabari Young, Senior Writer at Forbes,

00:25and you are in the Enterprise Zone at the NASDAQ Market Site.

00:28And I am joined by Ryan Clark, ESPN analyst, former NFL champion, podcast host of the Pivot Podcast, right?

00:37Entrepreneur, man, that's what you are.

00:38Yeah, I am. Also, too, though, you're never a former champion.

00:42Never a former, always a champion.

00:43Yeah, once you get it, man, it's yours.

00:45Should I do this all over again?

00:46No, I don't do it all over again, man. I like it, man. I like that part of the conversation.

00:49Former pro bowler.

00:50That I was. No, I'm definitely not that no more.

00:53I pulled my hamstring last week trying to play out there with my kid.

00:56Oh, man, are you all right?

00:57Because I saw you living in here. That's what that was.

00:59I just got bad feet.

01:00Oh, man, come on.

01:02First time at the NASDAQ, man, I can't believe it.

01:04This is really cool. Man, I was lost.

01:05Obviously, the directions don't bring you right here.

01:08But we figured it out.

01:09It's a secret society.

01:10We figured it out.

01:10All you ask is trust.

01:11Yeah, that's it, man. That's it, man.

01:13So listen, we're here. You've got to give me a stock, right?

01:15What is something that's worked well for Ryan Clark or something you may be looking to buy?

01:18Well, for me, it's not necessarily the stocks that I'm into as just to how I manage the portfolio.

01:26Right. So I was an undrafted free agent.

01:29So when you come into it the way I do, you almost just want to put your money underneath your mattress.

01:34Right.

01:34Right. And so when I started to invest, I was like, hey, look, I don't care how much money I make, but I don't want to lose any.

01:40And then as you continue into your career, you get to your second and your third contract.

01:45Now, when they're bringing you different investments, when they're talking about different stocks, now you can look at the risk in which you are investing and say, OK, this sounds good to me or this doesn't.

01:54So I'm definitely more aggressive as I am now.

01:57But for me, I want everything to be spread out in a way to where I'm not oversaturated in any one stock or any one investment type.

02:04Yeah. So what one investment maybe has worked for you? Has it been real estate?

02:08So real estate was good, but it also that changes and fluctuates so much.

02:14We started with real estate in Virginia and we had rental properties there because that was the first place I played when I was in Washington.

02:20And with having those rental properties, we were able to not only pay for the rental properties that we had already purchased, we were able to buy more.

02:29And in buying more, we were saying, OK, we got to a point then when sort of the tide turned right in the market turn, we sold there.

02:37And so now what we're working on is I've invested in training facilities.

02:40OK. Right. So not only leasing in the training facility based on the land that we own,

02:46but also now multiplying that by investing in travel baseball, right?

02:50Also doing the actual training, high schools as well.

02:54So it's a cross sports training.

02:55It's a cross sports training, but that's not where you make your money.

02:58You make your money hosting tournaments.

03:00Yeah.

03:00Right. So the land is actually more important than what you provide for your clients.

03:05And so that's been something that's worked extremely well for us as well.

03:08Nice. Listen, you know, you walk into a fifth grade class.

03:11They may not be familiar with your playing days, right, because they're in the fifth grade.

03:14And they say, well, what do you do, Mr. Clark?

03:17What do you tell them today?

03:18Right now, what I do is I'm a father and a husband.

03:22Like that's that's the first thing I am.

03:24I think right now it's an entrepreneur, but it's also my own business.

03:29Right. Whenever you present yourself, whether it's here, ESPN on the Pivot podcast,

03:34there are people who are looking to see if they want to do business with you.

03:38And I always say every day is an interview.

03:39That's right. Right.

03:40Whether I'm sitting here and people are listening to me talk about the way I want to invest

03:44or the things I've invested in or something that has worked well for me.

03:47They're looking at me to see if there's some sort of synergy there.

03:50So you are the business.

03:52And I think the biggest thing right now is I'm an NFL analyst.

03:56And I say that if I had to nail it down to one thing, because that's where my bread is buttered.

04:02If podcasting goes away, if public speaking goes away, if we sell all our real estate,

04:09if I no longer own a training facility like that, something I will be able to continue to do,

04:14because that's where the source of my knowledge is, the source of my wisdom, the source of my experience.

04:19Yeah, love that, man.

04:20Well, listen, 2025, a lot is going on, right?

04:23And we're not even in the back half of the year.

04:24Coming close.

04:25But what's been your soundtrack to 2025?

04:28What's been keeping Ryan Clark motivated and excited?

04:31That wasn't a question I was expecting to be asked at the NASDAQ.

04:36Honestly, I put together this worship playlist at the beginning of the year,

04:40and I continue to add to it.

04:42And it has everything from John P. Key and Marvin Sapp and Kurt Franklin to...

04:48Marvin Sapp that didn't let people out of the doors, Marvin Sapp?

04:50Hey, he said everybody need to bring $20, and all the people on the stage is going to give $100.

04:55But yeah, that Marvin Sapp to Forrest Frank, who is like a newer gospel artist.

05:01And that's kind of what keeps me going.

05:03And I've also switched and tried to do something this year where I want to learn, right?

05:08So whether it's on the treadmill with an audio book, on the treadmill with a sermon,

05:13just continuing trying to feed my mind because I've learned and felt that now that I'm out of football

05:19and that most of my time and effort is put into continuing to study it

05:25because it's different to have to communicate it, that that was becoming the totals of my studies.

05:30And I wanted to kind of broaden that as well.

05:32Well, listen, man, write fast before we dive into more business.

05:35But, you know, NFL training camps are here.

05:37I saw the Cowboys arriving in California.

05:40So that's my cue that we're back, right?

05:42The training camps are back.

05:43What is Ryan Clark watching as training camp starts?

05:46I mean, I think the first thing is, like, you know, you're a Philly guy.

05:49All this Jalen Hurts hate.

05:51Yeah.

05:52You know, people continuing to ask more of him in order to prove himself as someone

05:58who's worthy of the position that he's earned.

06:00I think I want to see it.

06:02The Philadelphia Eagles, with a new offensive coordinator,

06:04can be as explosive offensively as they were last year.

06:08And for me, I'm a Pittsburgh Steeler.

06:10You know, I want to see what Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin, what that marriage can be like.

06:15And you mentioned the Cowboys, you know, going to California.

06:19Like, George Pickett's, C.D. Lamb, Dak Prescott.

06:22I believe they can be the second-best duo in all of sports from the wide receiver position

06:27and trio when you add the quarterback right behind the Cincinnati Bengals.

06:30But does that produce wins?

06:32Or will it be 31 years that this team doesn't make it to the NFC Championship?

06:37Yeah.

06:37You've got the Eagles repeating?

06:40Don't do that.

06:41Right?

06:41So it's always hard.

06:44It is.

06:44It's hard to repeat.

06:45It's hard to get back.

06:46I do believe that the Eagles are the best team.

06:48In the NFC.

06:49Not in the NFC.

06:50I think the Eagles are still the best team in the NFL.

06:52Even though they lost some people on defense.

06:54So you lose Slade.

06:57They move up Keely Ringo.

06:59I think the huge piece is going to be replacing C.J. Gardner-Johnson,

07:02who was actually recently on the Pivot Podcast last week.

07:06Sidney Brown is a young safety that they have.

07:09But I just feel like Vic Fangio understands how to manipulate and maneuver those pieces so well defensively.

07:15And when you can rush up front the way they do, hell, the back end is sometimes the least of your worries.

07:20Yeah, I play Madden all the time, man.

07:21My uncle's killing me with that front forward.

07:23First of all, I don't play Madden because...

07:24It's too real.

07:25I just, because like in my brain, I'm like, okay, if I call this play, it's going to work.

07:31And the frustration level when it doesn't work, it's going to make me throw my controller at the TV.

07:36I've done that for a long time before, man.

07:36And I'd rather keep my appliances.

07:37I had, man, listen, I had to wrap tape around my mind to keep the game going, man.

07:41Like, it's that level of frustration.

07:43But how about barring injuries?

07:44Like, what team do you probably need to look out for, right, that no one may be talking about?

07:49Denver Broncos.

07:50Denver Broncos.

07:51Denver Broncos.

07:52Obviously, they're in the AFC West with the Kansas City Chiefs.

07:54And so there's always going to be that giant.

07:56You know, I always say Patrick Mahomes is the Michael Jordan of the NFL right now.

08:01But there's always going to be that giant there.

08:03Sean Payton, Bo Nix in the second year.

08:05That defense with Vance Joseph is going to be the best defense in all of football.

08:09They have a chance to make a ton of noise.

08:10Yeah, I love that.

08:11You know, one other thing, I want to ask you that question because you have this interesting mindset from a training camp perspective.

08:15Man, here you are.

08:16You get, you know, undrafted and get into your background a little bit later.

08:19But, you know, go to the Giants, you know, play for the Skins at that particular time.

08:23And then you become this Pittsburgh Steelers legend.

08:25And, you know, you got cut at one year.

08:27And you're making it.

08:28You're down at LSU, becoming a fundraiser guy.

08:31And you get called because after you watch the footage of that championship game, it motivates you to get back.

08:35Right?

08:35And then you get to Washington.

08:37But you're entering training camp at various times in your career with a whole different mindset.

08:41And then you get to Pittsburgh where you're the star.

08:43You can walk up in there now.

08:44You know your job is safe, right?

08:45But what is a player's mindset right now when you're in training camp?

08:48I think you set it up perfectly.

08:50It depends on where that player is in his career.

08:52Right?

08:53There are different points of your career where you approach things a different way.

08:56You set your goals differently.

08:58I remember early on in my career, I just wanted to make the team.

09:01Right?

09:01I wanted to get a consistent paycheck.

09:03I wanted that direct deposit to hit at the right time.

09:06And then it was become a starter.

09:08Then it's become a pro bowler.

09:09Then it's become a captain.

09:11Like all of those things change year to year.

09:14And so I think your mindset should be the best you you could possibly be

09:18every day.

09:18But that's what your mindset should be as well.

09:21Right?

09:21That's what anybody here's mindset should be.

09:24And for me it was, okay, how do I compete with the people in my room but also empower

09:30them?

09:30Right?

09:30Because I wanted you and I needed you to be the best player you could possibly be

09:34while still wanting to be better than you.

09:37Right?

09:38How do you do that?

09:39Be a good friend, be a good teammate, be a great leader, but also be the best player

09:43you could be.

09:43That's the focus every day.

09:45And my thing was not doing anything that didn't contribute to that goal.

09:50Yeah.

09:50Do you find yourself in this mindset, turn off your phone?

09:53Like do you block out everything when you're in training camp?

09:55Because I know when I'm digging into a story, I'm researching, like I got to put my phone

09:58to the side.

09:59No social media.

10:00Like I got to dig in.

10:01Like when you're in that mode, is you blocking everything out?

10:03I would definitely be lying to you if I tell you I cut off social media.

10:06So y'all do watch social media and social media.

10:08So every football player or athlete that tells you they don't read the news is lying.

10:13Yeah, of course.

10:14We all read it.

10:15We all have egos.

10:16Yeah.

10:16Right?

10:16And we like our egos to be stroked and we're frustrated when people are saying negative

10:21things.

10:22Like that is what it is.

10:23What I would do was I wouldn't bring a TV.

10:25Right?

10:26So I would only bring books.

10:27And so because I never wanted to get caught up in watching TV and being focused on something

10:32else.

10:33It was about books.

10:34It was about my playbooks and just spending time with myself.

10:37And we always went in Pittsburgh.

10:39We went away.

10:40And I got married young.

10:42Right?

10:42So I had three young kids.

10:43And so that time to me was almost like freedom.

10:46I was immersed into football and football only.

10:49And I think I learned the most about me individually during those times, continuing to stay consistent

10:55in whatever goals I'd set.

10:56Yeah.

10:56I called a friend of mine, man, and he's a diehard Washington Commanders fan now.

11:01Okay.

11:01And I said, man, listen, describe Ryan Clark.

11:03Because this, my friend is a diehard fan.

11:06I mean, he saw you when you came there.

11:08We were talking about Sean Teller yesterday.

11:10Oh, man.

11:10I mean, a diehard fan.

11:12Yeah.

11:12And I said, give me Ryan Clark from when he arrived at Washington under Joe Gibbs and

11:16when he left.

11:17He said he should have been a risk and longer, number one.

11:19That's what he said.

11:20That would have been nice.

11:20And he said, solid, steady, difference maker, a hard hitter.

11:25But I love that solid and steady, those two words.

11:28You agree with that?

11:29Well, yeah.

11:29I think the thing about...

11:30Solid and steady.

11:31You agree with that?

11:31I don't know if I tried to be.

11:33I don't know.

11:34Like, solid and steady is something that you attribute to people who understand they can't

11:39make mistakes.

11:40Right?

11:41When you're drafted in the first round, there's a lot longer leeway or road for you to make

11:46mistakes and be forgiven.

11:47There's a ton of grace that's given to you because they've invested into you.

11:51Nobody ever invested into me that way.

11:53So I didn't have opportunities to make mistakes or get do-overs.

11:57And so I played that way.

11:58Right?

11:58I always wanted to be in the right position.

12:00I always tried to do the right thing.

12:01I always tried to make the people around me better.

12:04And then as you get older and you get more comfortable, now you can be a risk taker.

12:09Now you can be someone that anticipates and lives or does things a little bit differently.

12:14And so I think I was that in Washington.

12:16And those things never left me.

12:18But I did get the confidence to step outside of some of those confines and boxes later on

12:23in my career.

12:24And I think that's when you truly can reach a potential to where you are a difference maker

12:28on a different level.

12:30Solid study, right?

12:31Risk taker.

12:31Is Ryan Clark that way in business?

12:33He is not a risk taker in business.

12:36I'm not.

12:36I remember a good friend of mine who was also a football player was investing in car dealerships.

12:44And he had another former teammate who was doing really well.

12:47And they continued to ask me.

12:49I went to meetings and I got on calls where they were trying to inform me how I could be

12:54a part of what they were starting was going to be a group of dealerships.

12:59I remember having a conversation with my wife and just telling her,

13:01I'm not comfortable because I don't know enough.

13:04And even with all that they've told me, I not only can't give my opinion in order to

13:11change or move the needle.

13:13I said, I also don't understand enough.

13:14And I decided to not do that deal.

13:16And in not doing that deal, all the dealerships go belly up.

13:19They started to garner wages from some of my friends.

13:23And I said to myself, I'm comfortable with not making the money it could have made because

13:28I didn't lose that.

13:29And I think I've always been that way in investments.

13:32Like my first few investments were annuities and different things that would pay me out

13:37a certain amount of money by the time I got to a certain age.

13:40It wasn't until much later where I told my financial advisor and allowed him to invest

13:46in different things that would help me in different ways and also have a risk of loss.

13:50So how would you describe yourself as a businessman in 2025?

13:53Not a risk taker.

13:55I think it depends on the business, right?

13:58When I can control the business, I'm a risk taker because I believe in me.

14:03When it's things that I can't control, like still with stocks, it takes a ton of advice.

14:10It takes a ton of information.

14:13And I probably shouldn't say this on this show.

14:17I feel sometimes just a ton of trust in the people that I put in charge of my money that

14:22they're doing the right things because there are still things I don't understand, right?

14:26And I'm paying someone who has done this his entire life for multiple athletes, multiple

14:31entertainers, multiple businessmen to be able to make some of these decisions for me.

14:35So that is still part of it.

14:37But when it comes to me, I believe in me.

14:40I know the level of work I'm going to put into it.

14:43I know the level of excellence I continue to strive to deliver each and every day.

14:48And I'm willing to stand in front of anybody and say these are the things I can deliver.

14:53So in that, I'll take a ton of risk because I have a ton of belief.

14:55Yeah, most definitely.

14:56Well, you look, man, one of the risks that you took in your business venture was the podcast, right?

15:00Yeah.

15:00The podcast.

15:01First, how's it doing?

15:02Right?

15:03I'm seeing 1.2 million subscribers on YouTube.

15:05You're killing, right?

15:06It's doing well, but here's what I'll tell you.

15:11When you do invest in yourself and you are selling yourself for the most part, it does become personal, right?

15:20Because there's a level of worth you put on your investment, right?

15:25Like our investment was monetarily, was monetary, especially early, right?

15:30We decided that-

15:31How much did you investigate?

15:32We decided-

15:33So when we initially started, we probably, the first three months of everything we did came

15:41out of our own pocket.

15:42Because what you're paying is, you're paying staff, you're paying crew, you're paying travel,

15:47you're paying lodging.

15:49And so all of those things we took care of as four or five partners in the group, we all

15:54took care of our individual pieces.

15:56I can't really truly put the monetary value on how much that was.

16:02Have you ever given me a ballpark figure?

16:04Over a million?

16:05Under?

16:06For, with all of us, under half a million in between four and five.

16:10A hundred thousand.

16:11But the cool part about that was everybody had to be bought in, though.

16:17That's right.

16:17Right?

16:18Everybody had to say, we are willing to invest in this.

16:21And the other sort of faith you had to have was that it will come back at some point.

16:27Because it wasn't a, here's a lump sum investment, and based on this lump sum investment, here

16:33is what we'll get.

16:34It was, oh wait, we don't have a sponsor yet.

16:37We don't have a partner, but we need this.

16:39Okay, that's more money.

16:40And you had to be willing to do that with sort of the blind faith that eventually you'll

16:45be able to pay yourself, and then you may put yourself on salary, and you'll be able

16:49to get shares at the end of the year.

16:51And so I thought, I think it was difficult at first.

16:53And so now, once you establish that you can garner a certain amount of money, it's like

16:59you never want to take less than that.

17:00And we're in such a saturated field, that it is truly delving through all of these different

17:06opportunities and partnerships to find the right one.

17:09You know, we had a fanatics partnership, and we realized, though it was great money, it

17:13wasn't necessarily the right thing for us to grow our brand.

17:16And so we amicably parted ways.

17:18I was ready to ask you about that, man.

17:19That was very interesting, because you had signed early in 2024, and by the end of 2024,

17:23it was over.

17:24And I'm like, wait, multi-year agreement is over in a year.

17:27What the heck?

17:27Yeah, I mean, it was, and I want to say this, too, about Michael Rubin, still a good friend

17:31of mine, has been nothing but great to me individually and also as the podcast.

17:36But just from a business standpoint, they saw the podcast world differently than we did.

17:43And yes, it was important for us to be able to make money, but we're lucky by having had

17:50other careers, it's not all about money, right?

17:53It's about how do you scale this and eventually sell it, right?

17:56Because that's what this is about.

17:58And the other piece for us is, how do we bring other podcasts and other media platforms

18:03underneath our umbrella to not only broaden their brand, make them more money, but also

18:07make us money off of that?

18:09And they didn't necessarily see our vision in the same way that we saw our vision.

18:15And when you're dealing with a company as big as Fanatics that are going to have the ask

18:19that Fanatics had while building their brand and their company, we weren't able to do ours

18:27simultaneously.

18:28What was the trait that you saw that you said, yeah, this probably ain't working?

18:31And was it just a difference of creative opinion?

18:32I don't necessarily think it was the difference in creative opinion as it was the difference

18:39in how we saw our partnership and how they saw our partnership.

18:45We saw our partnership as an arm to continue to build out, whether it was their sports book,

18:52we wanted to build out their media platform.

18:54For them initially, it was making sure the sports book was represented in the way they wanted

18:59to represent it, and they weren't ready to help a podcast, I guess, of our scale continue

19:05to grow.

19:06Yeah.

19:06Well, when you look at the podcast universe in 2025, what do you see?

19:10You can just say it's an oversaturated market.

19:11I got one now, all right?

19:12I mean, everybody got one.

19:13I was walking my dog the other day.

19:15I look at my person.

19:15They got one.

19:16Microphone set up with the couch and everything.

19:18Everybody has a podcast.

19:19It's social media.

19:20Yeah.

19:21Right?

19:21Like, I think that's the...

19:22When we started this business, we were in business with John Shahidi, who's the owner of

19:28Happy Dad, owner of Shots Studio, and when we initially started the podcast, it's like,

19:33eventually, podcasting will be the next step of social media, and if you think about the

19:39way social media has gone, whether it be from MySpace to Facebook to Vine, right, where you

19:45can only do 15-second videos, right?

19:47I remember that.

19:47It was fun.

19:48Instagram was like that as well.

19:50Then Instagram expanded, and now you've gotten into the longer form, and I think it's about

19:55what you want to do the podcast for, right?

20:00There is people who want to start it just because they want to talk.

20:03They want to be heard.

20:05I think that's a good reason to start it.

20:07There are people who want to do it because they feel like they can impact a certain demographic,

20:11and then there are people who are like, no, I want to do this podcast so I can make money,

20:14right?

20:15And your priorities, and I always tell my partners this, your priorities will guide your decision-making.

20:21Like, my priority in podcasting is to make the best possible content I can make, and so

20:27my decision-making has always gone that way.

20:29You know, if your decision-making or if your priority is to make money, then there may be

20:34things you're willing to do in order to get a dollar that aren't authentic to yourself.

20:38I'm not built that way.

20:39And so I think podcasting is a beautiful space, but it's also a space that's giving everyone

20:47a microphone, and what they choose to do with it, I think, is all important because if the

20:53space continues to be something that people value, then we can all make money and continue

20:58to grow.

20:59Yeah.

20:59Well, then you have your bread and butter, right?

21:01And before I even go there right fast, if Joe Rogan signed his podcast with $250 million,

21:05reportedly, $250 million, right, what's Ryan Clark's number?

21:09What gets the pivot to jump?

21:11I mean, $250 million would do it for sure.

21:14That's a lot.

21:15$250 million would do it.

21:16I would say this.

21:18We are not in a place where we'd want to sell now.

21:22I don't, having had someone have creative, not necessarily control, but input of what we

21:32do, that wasn't necessarily something I was comfortable with at that time, but you give

21:37me $100 million, we absolutely will do it.

21:40Like, that would be a number we do it for, but for me, man, like, and I say this, I have

21:46like a real job, and this is a business for me, but it's also a passion.

21:51When I get an opportunity to walk through an airport and have aunties and other people

21:57of our community tell me I can go to the exact episode that changed me, I can go to the exact

22:03episode that saved my life, I can go to the exact episode where I thought, okay, this is

22:09somebody who is just like me, who has been through something I've been through, that I

22:12can make it to.

22:14That is as valuable as the money is to me right now.

22:18And if we had to change that to sell, it would be very difficult for me.

22:22Well, then there's the other side of the business, right?

22:25You're on that media side, you know, you Google your name, it says Ryan Clark beef with Cam

22:29Newton, Ryan Clark beef with RG3, Ryan Clark says this about TGY, right?

22:33Y'all don't really be having no beef.

22:36I can say this personally, like, me and Cam have no beef, like, we've been texting about

22:41it back and forth, and the RG3 thing is what it is.

22:45I refuse to ever be fake, I refuse to lie.

22:50There are things about him personally that I dislike, and he knows that, and we've had

22:55those conversations, and there are things he's doing publicly, and when he does those

22:59things, if it's in the realm of sports still, I'll speak on it.

23:05And I think that's just all that we've seen.

23:07And it's kind of what, we're in this weird space where sports podcasting has turned more

23:14into that, right?

23:15People aren't going to tune in to fourth and one to hear a true X or no take.

23:21If I wanted that, I'd watch NFL Live.

23:24They're going to want to know about what's behind the scenes, let's pull back the curtain,

23:28which is why Cam has done such a good job with that show.

23:31Hell, you see his studio looks like this, right?

23:33Because he's taking you behind the scenes to a more layered conversation that takes you

23:38away from the football field while keeping you on it.

23:41And I think that's beautiful, but it also does create these spaces where we'll have

23:47competing opinions, competing ideas that, quote unquote, end up as beef.

23:53And I am a very clear person.

23:57I don't have a lot of gray, black, and white.

23:59If it's beef, you'll know.

24:00Yeah.

24:01Well, I mean, listen, you go all the way back, right?

24:02Take a flashback.

24:04You know, you grew up in Louisiana, and you kind of developed this, I'm going to speak it

24:07like it is type of mentality.

24:08When you was in grade school, your mom and dad used to get calls.

24:11Do you know what Ryan said in class today?

24:13My conduct grades were not great.

24:15They were not great.

24:17It comes from you from a young age, man.

24:18But again, growing up in Louisiana, about 10 minutes outside of New Orleans, right?

24:22What was that like for you?

24:23It was beautiful.

24:24I'm so proud of where I'm from.

24:26I'm so proud of the people that raised me, that sacrificed for me.

24:30There was such a beautiful blend of it.

24:33You know, like when you grow up in South Louisiana, like racism is actually a thing.

24:38And what it helped allow me to see is the beauty in people who care no matter your color,

24:44no matter your ethnicity, no matter your gender.

24:46The coaches I had, the Tim Whitmers, the C.J. Gibsons, the Coach Dickeys, the Hank Tyrannys, the Darren Leshes, right?

24:55Like these men who truly looked at me, saw value in me, and took care of me like I was one of their own.

25:02My high school coach, to this day, we still text message.

25:05We still have conversations about young men that he could see things in the way he saw things in me.

25:11How can me and him work together to help them?

25:13And a lot of these young men look like me.

25:17And so I think there's such a beauty of being in a place that is diverse, but yet has its adversity.

25:24And, you know, I have a documentary that's coming out about Katrina and, you know, 20 years, the 20-year anniversary,

25:33and just having different conversations with people who were in that city and in our city in 2005,

25:38people who were in the Superdome, people who lived on the bridge.

25:44You talk about a group of individuals that are so, that understand perseverance,

25:50that are so tough and hardened by the life and experiences they have, but yet still so loving and welcoming.

25:57Like that's what it was for me growing up.

25:59And it does make you tough in some ways.

26:02I don't take a lot of crap, but I'm working on being a little gentler and kinder.

26:06Yeah, it must be the girl dad in you, right, because I'm a girl dad too, man.

26:10And, you know, when you're a girl dad.

26:11They get everything, bro.

26:13My wife legitimately calls me a sucker once a day because my daughter asked him for something.

26:18And then, one, she got to communicate that she said no first.

26:22Yes.

26:22Right?

26:23And then so then my daughter would come to me and ask.

26:24I'd be like, absolutely, babe.

26:26Take whatever you want.

26:27I told my youngest, I was like, look, you don't really ever have to move.

26:30And my wife was like, yes, she does.

26:32So we'll figure it out, though.

26:33Yeah, but listen, as you were coming up, though, you wanted to be a teacher before you went into football.

26:38Yes, I wanted to be a principal.

26:38Yeah, and it has to do with you because of your brother.

26:41Yeah.

26:41You still have that passion, maybe, to pursue a teacher?

26:44Yeah, I don't think I'm going to teach now.

26:46But, like, that was just always something, like, he struggled learning.

26:50Yeah.

26:50And, you know, he would go to this speech therapist.

26:54And it's different because I never had those things.

26:58I never had those issues.

27:00And I was sort of praised, applauded, and rewarded for not.

27:06And it felt to me like he was looked at differently because of who his brother was

27:12and because of some of the struggles that he had.

27:14And so even when I started college, my initial major was speech because I was like, if I could become a speech pathologist

27:21or if I could in some way help kids who went through what my brother went through,

27:25it would be an opportunity to make sure the next kid who dealt with what he dealt with wasn't looked at the same way.

27:32Yeah.

27:32As you're going through, because you go to LSU, right, Nick Saban was your coach back then.

27:36But as you're walking through campus, you know, you're one of the favorites.

27:40All the reporters are coming up to you.

27:42They're getting all of the information because of your personality.

27:44Like, when I covered the NBA, we had a rule.

27:47Like, if you were writing a story and you needed that quote, we knew who to go to.

27:50You can go to Doc Rivers.

27:51He was going to take you home.

27:52And here you go on LSU.

27:53Yeah.

27:54You're the man, right?

27:55Everybody's coming to you to do the interviews.

27:58But what's your self-talk when you're on campus and you're in that life of LSU as one of the main guys on Nick Saban's squad?

28:04Don't do nothing stupid.

28:05It was, one, it's an honor to have played for him.

28:11But Mike Barnett, who's actually the sports information director there, was, once I left school and I realized I wasn't going to teach,

28:20that was another job I looked at that I'd want to do.

28:24What I remember was he would always come get me after we lost.

28:26I didn't get to talk after every win.

28:28But he'd always get me after we lost.

28:30And in that three to five-minute walk, he would tell me, this is what they're going to ask you.

28:35Here's how you should answer.

28:36Here is what's going on.

28:37How do you feel about this?

28:38How do you feel about that?

28:39And then walking away, we'd always recap it.

28:42And that was sort of the start to what has become my career.

28:47And I just think that you learn a lot in losing and you learn a lot in communicating as a winner, even though the scoreboard didn't say you were.

28:58Yeah.

28:58Now, when you find yourself back on, because, again, you go undrafted in 2002, didn't hear your name called.

29:05But then you do get a call from the Giants, you know, spend a season two there, get cut again in 2004, right?

29:10And you find yourself back at LSU as a fundraiser, right?

29:14Yeah.

29:14Here you go on campus, you're a fundraiser.

29:15I had a cool job, though.

29:16Yeah, right?

29:17You're a suit and tie, you're a fundraiser.

29:18Yeah, like, it was a cool job.

29:20Like, my outfits, I look back at my outfits, they weren't great because I also wanted comfort because I'd be walking around campus a lot.

29:27So I wore sneakers with my suits, but it wasn't like the cool sneakers.

29:31It was literally like I'm about to walk up this hill all day.

29:33No, I thought it was one of those things, though, that I'm grateful for because we all say, as men, I'll do anything to take care of my family.

29:45And don't get me wrong, bro.

29:46I wasn't laying bricks.

29:48I wasn't breaking up concrete.

29:50It wasn't contracting, right?

29:52I would, but I lived in New Orleans still and worked in Baton Rouge.

29:56So I would leave the house at, like, 530.

30:00I'd drive to Baton Rouge.

30:01I'd work, and then after work, I'd get a workout in because I was still trying to play.

30:06I'd drive home.

30:07I'd shower, eat, play with the kids for a little bit, then just go right to sleep so I could be back up again.

30:13And I remember being on the phone with my wife, and we were like, we had just bought a house.

30:18I was like, well, we got to sell the house, and then maybe we can get an apartment.

30:23And if we get an apartment, you know, you can see if you can move your job here as you finish school.

30:27And we were doing all of these things, and I was so willing to do it.

30:32I wasn't sad that I wasn't playing anymore.

30:35I didn't have some grudge.

30:37I wasn't upset.

30:38It was just one of these things, like, this is the next step in life for me.

30:41And God had given me two years to have a bank account with the savings that I never thought I'd have.

30:47And so it was, it was.

30:50What was your self-talk at that time?

30:52You know, when you're going through it, one hand you're trying to say, okay, this is over.

30:55And in the other hand, you still got that urge to play.

30:58I think you, I think you were, I was grateful.

31:00At the time, I was reading this book called Power Over Praying Husband.

31:04And it was a Tuesday night.

31:06On Tuesday night, I was like, okay.

31:08So I said the prayer.

31:09I was like, okay, Lord, I know I am telling everybody I'm okay.

31:12I'm acting as if I'm okay.

31:13I feel like I'm okay.

31:14I was like, but I would love another opportunity.

31:18And the next day, I went to Will Muschamp's office, defense coordinator, to apply to be a grad assistant.

31:23I was like, okay, what do I have to do to do that?

31:25Because I was like, I can at least get into coaching.

31:27Because I didn't know if I wanted to fundraise my entire life.

31:30And walking back from that, my phone rang.

31:32And my agent told me I had a tryout.

31:34I go to a tryout with Washington.

31:37They don't pick me.

31:38Some dude ran a 4-4 flat or something.

31:40And I was like, bro, how are you so fast coming from your house?

31:44And so my agent, finally, I'm in the airport.

31:47My agent gets me on the phone.

31:48He's like, are you boarded your play yet?

31:51And I was like, no, why?

31:52He's like, well, they've been trying to call you.

31:54I guess my phone wasn't going through.

31:55The guy fails his physical.

31:57And after failing his physical, so I get to go.

32:00I study the playbook.

32:01The first day of practice, man, the first session, I almost pass out.

32:07At this time, I don't understand how my sickle cell trait actually affected me.

32:13And the coach comes up to me who got me to try out there.

32:15And he goes, hey, look, you got to do something in this second practice.

32:18They're already talking about replacing you.

32:20And the next practice, I get two picks.

32:23And in the first cuts, my name was the last one to scroll on the bottom of the screen.

32:27I didn't get a call, any of those things.

32:29And I remember I was on the phone.

32:31I told my wife that she's upset because she felt like it's unprofessional that they didn't tell me before this.

32:37I got on my knees, and I just thank God that I had the opportunity.

32:40I was like, that's all I ask you for.

32:42And you gave it to me.

32:44And if it's not for me, it's not for me.

32:45Man, next day I walk in.

32:47Greg Williams calls me to his office, and he tells me, he said, you're not cut.

32:51And not only are you not cut, if we were picking the team today, you'd make it.

32:56And it just let me know, man, that all that gratitude and the way I was living and the way I was praying and the way I was receiving these opportunities truly came in the reward of that being shown enough that God did give me the desires of my heart.

33:13Love it, man.

33:14Power of gratitude because then you go on, obviously, prove yourself in Washington and become a Steelers great.

33:18Won the Super Bowl in 2009, right, retired as a Steeler in 2015.

33:23So if you had to describe your career in one word, what would it be?

33:27Oh, it'd be blessed.

33:28Blessed.

33:28For sure.

33:29It would also be uncommon, right?

33:33Like, I didn't, man, I didn't expect to have the career I'd had.

33:41You know, I had.

33:42I also, it also changed for me every year, right?

33:47Like, every year was another step forward, every year was another ascension, every year was another level that I wasn't expecting, but also that God never gave me too quickly.

33:58You know, when I became a starter in Washington, next year I hurt myself in camp.

34:03So that was a step back.

34:04So I had to rebuild myself from that.

34:07When I got into free agency, I'm telling them, like, I'm not going to make this hard for you.

34:12I want to be in Washington.

34:13They made Adam Archuleta the highest paid safety in NFL history, and they told me, yeah, we still want you here.

34:19You're just going to have to play for league minimum.

34:21And so there were all of these things that could have been setbacks or could have been adversity, but because of how I got in, I just counted it all joy.

34:28I was like, they still letting me do what I've been doing for free since I was four or five years old.

34:32And so I think when you look back at it, I'm proud of what I've accomplished.

34:39It's also why, like, I don't get into, like, football arguments with people.

34:42I meet, like, young cats, and they're like, man, I'll burn you.

34:44I'm like, probably.

34:45You know what I'm saying?

34:46Or they're like, man, I'll run you over.

34:48I'm like, probably.

34:49It's like I'm old, you know, because I had my time.

34:51And there's never been a day since I retired that I've missed football.

34:54And when you look now, man, your son, Jordan, played for the Jets, starting his career in New York, just like Dad, right?

35:00I mean, what do you tell him about how to navigate the NFL in 2025 where you got the social media?

35:05It's way different.

35:06Yeah.

35:07It's way different.

35:07He's also a much different young man than I was, which is super cool.

35:13He's so much more mature in many ways.

35:17He's also more of a warrior than I was.

35:20You know, like, I remember my mom brought me to the airport.

35:24My parents brought me.

35:25This was back in the day when they could kind of walk closer.

35:27And my mom just hugged me, and she was like, go get a job.

35:30And, like, I never thought of anything else.

35:32Like, I never thought I wasn't, you know.

35:34He's a little bit more of a thinker.

35:35And so I allow him to reach out to me when he needs me.

35:40Every day I check in on him.

35:41Hey, man, how you doing?

35:42He's like, some days he was like, pop, today was smooth.

35:45Pop, it was a great day.

35:46And, you know, throughout his college career, he'll tell me, too, pop, you know what?

35:49It wasn't a good day, pop.

35:50I'm trying to, I'm doing my best to unpack it and move on from it.

35:54I don't really want to talk about it.

35:55That's perfectly fine for me.

35:57Like, I'm still his trainer.

35:59My son has never had another DB trainer his entire life.

36:03And whenever people come train with us, they're always like, man, he's so good at this.

36:06He's so good at that.

36:07I was like, he's never learned a wrong thing or anything different.

36:11And I trust that he's going to do those things.

36:14I trust that he's going to be a consummate professional.

36:16And I'm just proud.

36:18Like, for him to have watched him work from the day he broke his ankle his freshman year

36:23where he cried and he told me, he was like, dad, this is going to mess up everything for football.

36:28He's like, I'm not going to get a scholarship.

36:30I'm not going to get to do the things I want to do.

36:32And to see that he's been able to accomplish that is a testament to his work, to his sacrifice,

36:38to his steadfastness and what his dreams are.

36:40Yeah, most definitely, man.

36:41Well, look, back into your portfolio, because you mentioned training, right?

36:44So you've got the training camps, right?

36:45You've got the training facilities that you're working on.

36:47What else are you interested in, man?

36:48Any other startups, AI startups, artificial intelligence?

36:52So actually, right now, I'm in conversation with this company.

36:55And what we want to develop is, and we've already started working with military veterans.

37:04One of my future partners or prospective partners, his brother killed himself, completed suicide

37:12at the returning home from the military.

37:15Another one of my partners is a former football player who ended his career and retired early

37:21because of concussion symptoms.

37:23And so they've developed basically a program that's to allow military veterans and former football players

37:31to better navigate some of the symptoms of CTE.

37:35And we're working right now on our first brick and mortar building or releasing it,

37:40and we're building it out.

37:41Where is it at?

37:42It's going to be in Miami.

37:43Miami.

37:43Yeah.

37:43And what we want to do, it's, you don't get to, we don't get to examine a brain and know

37:51how much CTE has ravished an individual until they passed, right?

37:57And so it's how do we give you a better quality of life?

38:00And one of the things that got me into it was having a conversation with them, and they

38:05were talking to the officers who police sex trafficking.

38:09And one of the big things they did with them was emotional counseling because of the things

38:16you see, because of the things you learn, because of the situations that you're put

38:21in.

38:22And to me, that was extremely powerful because when you look at what they do, who they service,

38:31and how much it means, yet nobody thinks of the impact of doing that thing.

38:37And so that's what I'm working on now.

38:39They sent over the portfolio.

38:41I'm talking to my people about it and investing and becoming also an ambassador for it and

38:46a front man, because I believe it's something that can be extremely helpful.

38:50And obviously, my financial people ain't going to get involved in it if it won't be extremely

38:54profitable as well.

38:55Yeah, most definitely.

38:56How about any crypto you believe or not?

38:58So I'm not.

39:01You're going to get you, man.

39:03You're right.

39:03So I'm not.

39:05And I will say this, though.

39:07I'm comfortable with saying it's a lack of understanding.

39:10Okay.

39:11And it being a lack of understanding, I wasn't hard pressed enough as it comes to making money

39:19where I dove into it or allowed people to speak to me in a way to where I could understand

39:25it because it was never really an interest of mine.

39:27But you do want to learn more about it.

39:29Yes, I do want to learn more about it because I want to have education.

39:32I want to have the education to be able to have conversations about it in a way where

39:37I'm not only learning, but I can ask the questions that allow me to be educated as well.

39:42Yeah, most definitely.

39:43You got to learn more about it.

39:44I mean, it's coming, man.

39:44I went into a store the other day and I see this Bitcoin ATM and I'm like, Jesus, man.

39:49Like, it's just rolled out.

39:49Well, I don't know if you saw Odell Beckham, you know, as Bitcoin continues to grow in value.

39:56Yeah.

39:56Odell Beckham Jr. was talking about his contract, which had Bitcoin as a piece of it.

40:02Yeah.

40:02Right.

40:03And so you're seeing in these different places as you're paying attention to the changes

40:07in the world that some of these things that seemed trendy initially are starting to pay

40:14dividends.

40:15Last thing, I'll get you out of here, man.

40:17Get some fun questions as we get, but you had to name your business empire, right?

40:21When it's all said and done and you're looking to just pass it on to your kids in one word.

40:25What is Ryan Clark's business empire in one word?

40:29Coco Golf, she said timeless, right?

40:31Yeah, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's timeless.

40:34Necessary.

40:35Necessary.

40:36Why necessary?

40:37Because I feel like I've done the necessary things to have the next generation of my family

40:44of Clarks to be put in a better position than I was.

40:49But I also know that my parents did the exact same thing.

40:53It wasn't necessarily the things that they could leave me or will me or the businesses

41:00that I was taught to run before they leave.

41:05It was, hey, we're going to sow into and invest into your education.

41:10You know, like I heard my mom on the phone with the lady that collected, you know, our

41:15high school tuition saying what week she could pay what and what check she could cash to be

41:21able to pay this.

41:22Like that was, that was their investment into me.

41:25And so now building a bigger portfolio and also helping my children, which is what I'm

41:30doing.

41:30My daughter just finished culinary school.

41:33We're investing into her first travel, right?

41:37She's going to have like a travel party bus, party van, we're calling it.

41:41And then she wants to eventually get a storefront.

41:43That's part of something I want to do, right?

41:45My son went to Notre Dame.

41:46He was able to meet these different investors that deal in real estate.

41:50I'm going to invest in him and with him so he can also build his own portfolio.

41:54And I think that's something that if my parents don't do what they did for me, I can't move

41:59forward and do for them.

42:00Yeah.

42:01Necessary.

42:01Love it, man.

42:02Million dollar question, right?

42:03As we get you out of here, I think I know how you made your first million.

42:06I think so, right?

42:07Maybe playing football.

42:08Yeah.

42:08Maybe, maybe something like that.

42:09Yeah.

42:09How did you spend it?

42:10I didn't make any big purchases.

42:16Wow.

42:17Like, I want to say my first car after I made my first million was an Avalanche.

42:27You remember the Avalanche?

42:28Yeah, I do.

42:28The kind of like truck.

42:30Yeah.

42:30It was like, it was like 30,000 and I was fired up about it.

42:33That was my, my first car after that.

42:35I did eventually.

42:37So what we did was we bought a townhouse and that townhouse.

42:40When we were able to get more money and buy, you know, our own house, became our first

42:48investment property.

42:49Nice.

42:49Do you still have it?

42:50I just sold it.

42:51You just sold it?

42:51I sold it a couple years back.

42:52Yeah.

42:52And so like, that was, that was kind of what opened me up to it because it felt like, this

42:59might be silly.

42:59It felt like less of a risk because I already had it.

43:02Right.

43:03It was already mine.

43:04And so it didn't feel like I had to go scout, find the best place to buy, see where the best

43:09rates were, because it was already mine.

43:11And it was now finding a management firm to do it.

43:14And from that management firm, we were able to move in to do different things in Loudoun

43:17County.

43:18Yeah.

43:18Love it.

43:19Outlook stuff, man.

43:20You look at the NFLPA going through some issues, right?

43:23You got some leadership changes.

43:24You were part of that union once upon a time in your life.

43:26When you see what's going on in NFLPA, what do you see?

43:30I see dysfunction.

43:31Dysfunction.

43:32Yeah.

43:32You know, Demaree Smith was the director when I was on the executive board.

43:38We had a very open relationship.

43:40We had an honest relationship.

43:41You know, some of those conversations should not be heard by children.

43:45Yeah.

43:45But when we walked out of the room, we walked out as a united front, but we walked out as

43:50a group of individual who were respected, not only for the way that they conducted business,

43:54but for the way that they conducted their lives.

43:57That's not how you look at the NFLPA right now.

44:00You don't look at them as a business that should be representative of the thousands of

44:06NFL players who are in the league.

44:09Don Davis, who has been, you know, a longtime NFL player advocate for the PA, I believe that

44:17he should be the next guy to step in in the interim.

44:21He has run for president before.

44:24He was part of the last group of individuals who campaigned.

44:27And I think he's always had the best interest of the player.

44:31He is a former player.

44:32And I believe his extensive time in the PA is kind of like the steady and force they

44:37need until they can move forward and find somebody for the permanent job.

44:40Yeah, absolutely.

44:41I mean, I always say that they should have more former players involved with the PA.

44:45Gene Upshaw was the absolute best.

44:46Yeah.

44:46I think Gene Upshaw, there was a time of cohesiveness between the NFL and the NFLPA,

44:54but there was still enough of him to know, I want to protect the players while I'm protecting

44:59the game as well.

45:00We need to get back to somebody that sees football in that manner.

45:03Yeah, most definitely, man.

45:04You look around the world, right?

45:06What country does Ryan Clark invest in today?

45:09Why?

45:09Outside of the U.S.

45:10Well, honestly, it's probably going to be crazy, but when you look at all the things

45:17that are going on in Dubai, right?

45:20Also, I say that because they've gotten heavy into sports, whether it's boxing, UFC, obviously

45:29soccer has always been a huge thing.

45:32NBA.

45:32NBA, you know, I think the way that they see using what America has already made popular,

45:42wanting America's voices to be involved, along with a business structure, a business model,

45:49and an infrastructure, not only in the way their architecture is set up, but the way that

45:56they can push and fund all of these sports, all of these new ventures in a way that we

46:02can't even do it right now.

46:04I think if you can be a part of what they're doing, as we see Dana White is right now as

46:09well, I think that's kind of in the forefront, and being on the forefront of that is a way

46:14to make a ton of money.

46:15First flying car is expected to be tested in Dubai in 2026.

46:19I'm not getting a flying car, bro.

46:21I mean, listen.

46:22They definitely didn't test that on black people.

46:24They were getting cars that talked back to us either, but here we are.

46:26Yeah.

46:27I don't like them either.

46:28I don't, I got a two, bro.

46:30I drive a 2015 Toyota Tundra.

46:33No, you don't.

46:34Ryan Clark?

46:34Yeah.

46:35I take my key, and I got to stick my key in there, and I got to turn it like normal people.

46:40Wow.

46:41My car don't talk to me ever.

46:43Yeah, because it don't start off.

46:44We never have.

46:44It starts, and I have, bro, I actually have cotton seats.

46:48I don't even have leather seats.

46:50Come on, man.

46:50You're getting too much money for all of this, man.

46:51No, I'm not.

46:52Bro, you know how much my car is parked at the airport?

46:56I pray so.

46:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.

46:57Come on, man.

46:58You got to upgrade, though, man.

47:00Come on.

47:00What's your drive?

47:02A Genesis.

47:03See, that's a nice car.

47:04What year, though?

47:06It's 2016, 2017, yeah.

47:09Your car almost old as mine.

47:10I know, but it's, my car talked to me, though.

47:14What kind of key you got?

47:15It's not a key.

47:16Dang, you got a little five?

47:17Yeah, yeah, it's with the little button, man.

47:19I got a regular key.

47:20It's a key that comes in it, but you got to take it out.

47:23Man, you get me talking about my car.

47:24Somebody's going to steal it, man.

47:26Nobody ain't going to steal my car.

47:27I can talk about mine.

47:27Yeah, they're going to look and say, oh, what is that?

47:28It's not a tundra?

47:29Yeah, they're going to leave mine alone.

47:30Another reason to have a tundra.

47:32Yeah, so people leave it alone, man.

47:34I'll get you out of here, man, on good to great.

47:36I think you are one of the best to answer this question.

47:39What's the difference between a good NFL safety and a great one?

47:43What you said earlier when you asked me about risk, the great ones take calculated risk.

47:52I guess a quick story I can give you, I think I was a good safety.

47:57Troy Palamalu was obviously one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game.

48:00We were in the same coverage on each side of the field, and both of us knew exactly what the route was.

48:06And my job wouldn't allow me to make the play where the route was, but I could tell somebody else to make it.

48:15I can cover their back.

48:17Troy's job wouldn't let him do it either, but he still went to get it.

48:21Because he said, if I know what the play is, if I know there's a play to be made, I want to go get it.

48:26I want it to be me.

48:28And my thing was, hey, I don't want to go get it because what if something else happens?

48:33And then I let my team down.

48:35And I think it's kind of what you say, the solid, steady thing versus I believe it, I know it, I've anticipated it, and I love it.

48:41Now, why not me?

48:42And I think that's the difference, man.

48:44You look at the Ed Reeds, the Brian Dawkins, Rod Woodson when he played, Charles Woodson when he moved to safety, Ronnie Lott.

48:51All of them trusted their instincts 100% and at all times.

48:55Sean Teller trusted his instinct.

48:57Oh, he was.

48:57He's the, I tell people all the time, he's the most gifted human I've ever been around.

49:02Sean, you know what's so funny, man?

49:04I used to watch Sean Teller.

49:05I forgot you was on Washington because when I was a Cowboys fan, I'm looking like, man, where's Sean Teller on the field?

49:10Because he's going to pop somebody.

49:11Bro, he could absolutely do everything, man.

49:15He was playing, like in one-on-ones, right, when you're a safety, you try to find your win, right?

49:20So I'm looking like, who's the third tight end?

49:22I'm going to go lock him down.

49:24He would go out there with the wide receivers, and he was covering David Patton, who could flat out fly.

49:29David Patton runs a post route.

49:30David was a little man, and Sean was a very big man.

49:33Sean catches him, and he slides his hands past David's ears and puts his hands in front of David's face, man.

49:41So David's trying to catch the ball like this.

49:43He catches the ball in front of his face mask, pulls it back over his head, and starts running the other way.

49:49Crowd goes crazy because they had never seen a man at 6'2", 230 pounds, run like that, track the ball like that, be so graceful yet so powerful at one time.

50:01He's obviously one of my best friends in the world, and I miss him dearly.

50:05But I think it makes me sad we never got to see him grow into what he was growing into.

50:11To me, one of the greats, man, because he was definitely had it that way.

50:13Yeah, man.

50:14Ryan Clark, man, thank you so much for the time.

50:16Thank you, brother.

50:16Absolutely.

50:17Go and charge that Tundra.

50:19It's at the airport right now.

50:20You don't charge the Tundra.

50:22It runs on.

50:23I'm saying charge because the battery's dead, and so you've got to charge it back up.