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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma
FilmsActu X Nicolas Winding Refn (Interview)
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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma
FilmsActu X Nicolas Winding Refn (Interview)
© 2025
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04:56Vous avez des fantômes, et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantôme,
05:04ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV,
05:12et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:16Il a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes,
05:20mais je n'étais pas plus intéressé
05:24dans la manière dont j'ai eu l'habitude,
05:26parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible, et la plupart du tout est réel,
05:35ou à l'aise peut être très réel,
05:37capturé de moment à moment,
05:39et c'est très efficace, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler
05:46ça dans mon propre version.
05:48C'est fantôme, et c'est que je me suis plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le vrai monde,
05:56et d'être plus excitée par stepping dans le théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:09Qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent retourner
06:15et changer leurs films, je suis sûr qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire.
06:20Je n'ai jamais eu la liberté de faire
06:23pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à changer.
06:27J'ai quand même regardé.
06:29Donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:31j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps.
06:33Il n'est plus en moi.
06:36Je n'ai pas besoin de faire quelque chose.
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06:54Mais tu es toujours le same
06:56Il y a quelque chose d'inside de toi
07:02C'est difficile de expliquer
07:07Ils parlent de toi, mais tu es toujours le same
07:17Oh absolument, je me suis en train de commencer avec tout en 4K
07:23Et je fais tous les restaurations de moi
07:25Donc je fais tout de suite de moi
07:27Et vous pouvez acheter directement de moi
07:30Au bainwr.com
07:32Je vais signer votre box set
07:34Et je vais vous donner
07:36Je suis un grand fan de 4K
07:40Je l'aime 4K
07:42Je pense que 4K est magnifique
07:45Parce que beaucoup de films
07:46peuvent être re-watches
07:49Avec une meilleure qualité
07:50Et qui ne veut pas ça
07:53Donc c'est comme une nouvelle étape
07:56De la nouvelle normale pour moi
07:58Donc j'ai décidé de faire tous mes films en 4K
08:01Et je les roule lentement
08:03Je pense que le cinéma
08:08Et la télévision pour ce qui concerne
08:10Est-ce que le cinéma est très difficile de faire
08:13Les 10 ou 15 ans
08:15Gaming, social media, VR, canvases are exploding
08:20And they're constantly evolving
08:22Because technology is allowing them to evolve
08:24Movies and television, TV is becoming more and more just content
08:30That you almost look at while you're doing other things
08:33And movies are still that window of exclusivity
08:37Of the collective experience
08:39But I think that movies also need to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes for Only God Forgives
08:47And after everyone had been booing me for so long
08:51That during my stay
08:53I did say, look, you can be angry with me and about my film
08:58But I am from the future
09:01And I'm going to make something that's going to predict
09:03What it's going to be like if you want to make films in the future
09:07And I was right
09:09Because right after Only God Forgives
09:11The industry changed because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15And it changed not so much what we were making
09:18But it's how we experienced film and content, essentially
09:23How we viewed it
09:24And I think that to justify or for a movie to exist in longevity
09:29You have to see what a film can become
09:33Rather than what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38It's all about the build-up
09:40Bang, bang, and then it's to the other wall
09:43Now make it dirty, unique, interesting, never seen before in violence
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52But I will say that everything is an evolution of something
09:57There can be a tendency when something is liked that everyone wants the same same
10:07But I don't necessarily think that's true
10:09It's better to give them something else or something different
10:13Or something that destroys your past in order to make something new
10:19To transition
10:20You know, obviously the two films are very different
10:23But what ties them is myself and Ryan's interaction
10:28However, I find that interesting
10:30It's like taking something and turning it on its head
10:34It's taking the ultimate superhero in one movie and emasculating him in the next
10:39It's taking one movie that's very poppy
10:42And another movie that's very esoteric
10:45And that, I think, is what makes the world interesting
10:50Is that things can become different
10:52It can evolve into other components
10:55Rather than just always staying in the same repeat lane
10:59Because you very quickly run out of steam, in my opinion
11:03I was very happy
11:05But obviously, you know, a lot of harsh reactions
11:09And a lot of booing and screaming
11:12But then I was like, that's kind of cruel
11:15Because then you're like the sex pistols of cinema
11:18You know, you're like the one everyone throws bottles at
11:21But you can't deny it existence
11:23You can't really criticize it
11:25Because I did it my way
11:27The world will see it as it continues to evolve
11:31And you just have to be
11:33You have to just be, trust yourself
11:35So you never lose your vision when you have that strong reaction
11:38No, on the contrary, you're like, it's like energy
11:41It's like, just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you, I have no regrets about Only God Forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece, and it is
11:49I just didn't make it very expensive
11:52Is there a doctor in the house?
11:54We need to get a medic in here
11:57Is there a doctor around?
12:00When you were mentioning 2001
12:02It says, you forgot to add Drive
12:04We'll let that slip
12:06We won't know about Drive for another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10Whether it lives or dies
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made in 1968
12:17I made this film about 4 years ago
12:20So it's about time
12:204 years is a zip
12:21It's not even a blip
12:23It's not a pimple on the asshole of humanity
12:28What was funny about talking to Billy Freakin
12:30Was that it was
12:31He had a man who had struggled a lot in Hollywood
12:35And started very successfully at a young age
12:40And then had gone into sorceress
12:43And, you know, was still traumatized by that experience
12:48After so many years
12:49And I think that was what was so sad
12:51In a way
12:52That it had such an effect on him
12:54It's a little bit like Michael Cimino
12:56Doing Heaven's Gate
12:57These amazing films
12:59Both Sorcerers and Heaven's Gate
13:02Are probably their best films
13:04For some reason get so destroyed
13:07And then they lose sight of themselves
13:10Or they lose their confidence
13:12And it affects all the other movies
13:14They make afterwards
13:15And I was like
13:16I'm never going to be like that
13:17Because I'm right
13:19You're wrong
13:19I mean, I've done two shows
13:26One with Amazon
13:27One with Netflix
13:27And I like what I was making, obviously
13:30But I don't know how much I want to continue
13:36I may want to take a break
13:38And go and make movies again
13:41I've decided to do more visual arts
13:44You know, and trying to find other areas of creativity
13:50But I think it's time to go make a film again
13:53You said you work on two shows
13:55But you work on The Famous Five or so
13:57So The Famous Five was a television show
14:00That I just, how do you say, executive produced or created
14:04But I had no involvement in it
14:06Otherwise I just created the kind of concept and the story
14:10Based on these very famous books
14:12The Famous Five was more because my kids would read the books
14:15When they were young
14:16I remember my mother reading me the books
14:18So it was more like a past history thing that came up as an opportunity
14:23Well, I mean, if something is interesting, you know, why not look at it?
14:31I've had some wonderful meetings in Hollywood
14:33Met wonderful people
14:35But in the end, I like my freedom
14:37That's all I really want
14:39Is just to be free
14:40When you work in Hollywood, there is a contract
14:44Some people love that and can work within that
14:47It's maybe not so much my thing right now
14:51But who knows, maybe next year I'll do a big, you know, big superhero movie
14:56That could be fun maybe, I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open to anything
15:01But at the same time, at the end, you should just make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing having creative control, which is easier enough
15:10But it's where all the money that's invested puts a burden on you
15:15Because all that money has to get, you know, recouped
15:19And then you have to make a certain type of movie
15:21You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want
15:23Because you're a slave to the economics
15:26If your film costs $200 million or $100 million
15:30You need to make $300, $400 million to break even
15:33That already puts a strain on what kind of movie can you make
15:36And I don't want any conditions on me
15:39At all
15:41You have to be completely free
15:43I mean, in the beginning, a lot of people were talking about another drive
15:51But it was like, that would be the worst idea I've ever heard of
15:55So never?
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky to live a fun life
16:09And it has nothing to do with fame
16:13You realize very quickly
16:16It has that I've had opportunities
16:19And I've been able to work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24And it's all been a lot of fun
16:27But I think when I started
16:29The idea of being seen was very essential
16:33The idea of fame
16:34And fame being an opportunity
16:37It's like an opportunity
16:38It's like a stage
16:39One thing is becoming famous
16:41The next, what are you going to do with it?
16:43And obviously, it's like anything
16:45It's like an opportunity
16:46I don't like Regarding own lomo工
16:48With your excellence
16:50You can make it all the time
16:51You can make it a lot
16:52I also obviously work
16:54I was also
16:55Even
16:56Very nice
16:58We are going to be here at Bangkok
16:59In 6 months
17:01Yanghant make his next film
17:02And I've sent him hello through the process
17:05It is now we're going to be with him
17:08When he sees prison
17:10I was going home with children
17:13Throughout the way it took 10 months
17:15Et c'est trop difficile pour eux-mêmes.
17:45Et les prochaines jours, c'est le mois d'août.
17:47Tu regardes des films ?
17:48J'ai vu beaucoup de films quand j'étais plus jeune.
17:52Mais maintenant, c'est plus dur et plus.
17:54Il y a d'autres choses que je trouve intéressantes.
17:56Comme quoi ?
17:57J'ai fait ma première exposition qui s'ouvre à Tokyo.
18:02Ça a été beaucoup de plaisir.
18:04Une collaboration avec Hideo Kojima ?
18:06Oui.
18:07Pouvez-vous parler de ça ?
18:08J'ai créé une exposition qui s'ouvre à la semaine dernière,
18:15où j'ai créé cette installation entre nous.
18:19J'ai vu ma femme et ma fille dans la procession.
18:23Hé, c'est moi !
18:30Où vas-tu ?
18:32Wait !
18:38N'est-ce pas sans moi ?
18:41Non !
18:42Non !
18:43Non !
18:44Non !
18:45Non !
18:46Non !
18:47Non !
18:48Non !
18:49Et tu es aussi dans «Death Stranding 2 » ?
18:50Je suis «Heart Man »
18:52et «Heart Man » est toujours dans «Death Stranding ».
19:00Je pense que tu ne crois pas tout ce que tu lis sur Internet.
19:03Ok.
19:04Tu peux te dire quelque chose ?
19:05Je crois tout ce que tu lis sur Internet.
19:07Ah, ok.
19:35Tu as ?
19:36J'ai tout à fait !
19:38T take- Air, tu vois si tu lis sur internet ?
19:39Et tem pleine toute part.
19:40Que tout ?
19:41Tu as …
19:42J'ai tout pas de ne pas !
19:43Tu as fautes cette最後.
19:44Tu sucker !
19:45Alors, c'est dans la suite !
19:46J'ai tout 얘ment !
19:47Tu es dramatique !
19:48J'ai¡ en tiскую moule !
19:49Je vois pas !
19:50J'ai toutroffen !
19:51Tu as principe !
19:52C'est une mau glauben !
19:53De verdad !
19:54Tu as mes questions !
19:55J'ai tout besoin !
19:56ığımız emotionally !
19:57Je les voir mal,
19:58Tout c'est pas perseverковement !
19:59au overst voltage !
20:00Allez euh !
20:01eltez…
20:02Tu es воды !
20:03Oh !
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