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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

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04:57Et j'aime l'extrême, donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans la fantasy, ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années, mais comme un show de TV.
05:12Et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy, qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:17Il y a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes.
05:20Mais je n'étais plus intéressé dans la manière dont j'étais, parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible et la plupart du tout est réel, ou à l'est qu'il peut être très réel, capturé de moment à moment.
05:39Et ce sont plus efficaces, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler ça dans mon version.
05:47C'est fantasy, et c'est ça que j'ai été plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le monde réel et de être plus excités par se passer dans le space théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent revenir et changer leurs films,
06:16je me suis sûre qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire, je n'ai jamais eu de créateur de l'unreur pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à vraiment changer.
06:27Je me regarde donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:30j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps, il n'est plus en moi.
06:36Je dois continuer à faire quelque chose.
06:38Je dois continuer à me racer.
06:53Mais tu es toujours le same
06:56Il y a quelque chose inside de toi
07:02Il y a quelque chose à l'exprimer
07:07Ils parlent de toi, mais tu es toujours le same
07:17Oh, absolument.
07:19Je veux dire, j'ai commencé de faire tout en 4K
07:23Et je fais toutes les restaurations myself
07:25Donc je fais tout de suite de moi
07:27Et vous pouvez acheter directement de moi
07:30Je vais signer votre box set
07:34Et je vais vous donner
07:36Je suis un grand fan de 4K
07:40Je l'aime 4K
07:42Je pense que 4K est magnifique
07:45Parce que beaucoup de films
07:46peuvent être re-watches
07:49avec une meilleure qualité
07:50Et qui ne veut pas ça ?
07:53Donc c'est un nouveau layer
07:55C'est un nouveau normal pour moi
07:58Donc j'ai décidé de faire tous mes films en 4K
08:01Slowly rolling them out
08:03You know
08:03I think cinema
08:08And television for that matter
08:10Has had a very tough time
08:12In the last 10 years or so
08:1410-15 years
08:15Gaming, social media, VR
08:18Canvases are exploding
08:20And they're constantly evolving
08:22Because technology is allowing them to evolve
08:24Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more
08:28Just content
08:30That you almost look at
08:31While you're doing other things
08:33And movies are still
08:35That window of exclusivity
08:37Of the collective experience
08:39But I think that movies
08:41Also need to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes
08:46For Only God Forgives
08:47And after everyone had been booing me
08:50For so long
08:51That during my stay
08:53I did say
08:55Look, you can be angry with me
08:57And about my film
08:58But I am from the future
09:01And I'm going to make something
09:02That's going to predict
09:03What it's going to be like
09:05If you want to make films
09:06In the future
09:07And I was right
09:09Because right after
09:10Only God Forgives
09:11The industry changed
09:12Because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15And it changed
09:17Not so much
09:18What we were making
09:18But it's how we experienced
09:20Film and content
09:22Essentially
09:23How we viewed it
09:24And I think that
09:25To justify
09:26Or for a movie to exist
09:28In longevity
09:29You have to
09:30See what a film can become
09:33Rather than
09:33What it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38It's all about the build up
09:40Bang, bang
09:41And then it's to the other wall
09:43Now make it dirty
09:44Unique, interesting
09:45Never seen before
09:46And violent
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52But I will say that
09:54Everything is an evolution
09:56Of something
09:57And there can be a tendency
10:00When something is liked
10:03That everyone wants the same same
10:07But I don't necessarily think
10:09That's true
10:09It's better to give them
10:11Something else
10:12Or something different
10:13Or something that
10:14Destroys your past
10:16In order to make
10:17Something new
10:19To transition
10:20You know
10:20Obviously the two films
10:22Are very different
10:23But what ties them
10:24Is myself
10:26And Ryan's
10:27Interaction
10:28However
10:29I find that interesting
10:30It's like taking something
10:32And turning it on its head
10:34It's taking the ultimate
10:35Superhero
10:36In one movie
10:37And emasculating him
10:39In the next
10:39It's taking one movie
10:41That's very poppy
10:42And another movie
10:43That's very esoteric
10:45And that I think
10:47Is what makes
10:49The world interesting
10:50Is that things
10:51Can become different
10:52It can evolve
10:53Into other components
10:55Rather than just
10:56Always staying
10:57In the same repeat lane
10:59Because you very quickly
11:01Run out of steam
11:02In my opinion
11:03I was very happy
11:05But obviously
11:06You know
11:07A lot of harsh reactions
11:09And a lot of booing
11:11And screaming
11:12But then I was like
11:13That's kind of cool
11:15Because then you're like
11:16Sex pistols of cinema
11:18You know
11:18You're like the one
11:19Everyone throws bottles at
11:21But you can't deny
11:22It existence
11:23You can't really
11:24Criticize it
11:25Because I did it my way
11:27The world will see it
11:29As it continues
11:30To evolve
11:31And you just have to be
11:33You have to just
11:34To be
11:34Trust yourself
11:35So you never lose
11:36Your vision
11:36When you have
11:37That strong reaction
11:38No on the contrary
11:39You're like
11:40It's like energy
11:41It's like
11:42Just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets
11:47About only God forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49And it is
11:49I just didn't make it
11:51Very expensive
11:52Is there a doctor
11:53In the house
11:53We need to get
11:56A medic in here
11:57Is there
11:58Is there a doctor
11:59Around
11:59When you were mentioning
12:012001
12:02Citizen Kane
12:03You forgot to add Drive
12:04We'll let that slip
12:06We won't know about Drive
12:08For another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10Whether it lives
12:12Or dies
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made in 1968
12:17I made this film
12:19About four years ago
12:20So it's about time
12:20Four years is a zip
12:21It's not even a blip
12:23It's not a pimple
12:25On the asshole of humanity
12:28Well what's funny about
12:29Talking to Billy Freakin
12:30Was that it was
12:31He had a man
12:33Who had struggled a lot
12:34In Hollywood
12:35And started very successfully
12:39At a young age
12:40And then gone into sorceress
12:43And you know
12:45Was still traumatized
12:47By that experience
12:48After so many years
12:49And I think that was
12:50What was so sad
12:51In a way
12:52That it had such an effect
12:54On him
12:54It's a little bit like
12:55Michael Cimino
12:56Doing Heaven's Gate
12:57These amazing films
12:59Both Sorcerers
13:01And Heaven's Gate
13:02Are probably
13:03Their best films
13:04For some reason
13:05Get so destroyed
13:07And then they lose
13:09Sight of themselves
13:10Or they lose
13:11Their confidence
13:12And it affects
13:12All the other movies
13:14They make afterwards
13:15And I was like
13:16I'm never going to be like that
13:17Because I'm right
13:19You're wrong
13:19I mean I've done two shows
13:26One with Amazon
13:27One with Netflix
13:27And I like what I was making
13:30Obviously
13:30But I
13:31I don't know how
13:32How
13:34Watch I want to continue
13:36I may want to take a break
13:38And
13:38Go and make movies again
13:41I've decided to do more
13:42Visual arts
13:44You know
13:45And
13:45Trying
13:46To find other
13:48Areas of creativity
13:50But I think it's time
13:52To go make a film again
13:53You said you work on two shows
13:55But you work on
13:55The Famous Five
13:56Or something
13:57The Famous Five
13:58Was a television show
14:00That I
14:00I just
14:01How do you say
14:02Executive produced
14:03Or created
14:04But I had no
14:05Involvement in it
14:06Otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08The kind of
14:08Concept and the story
14:10Based on these
14:11Very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13Was more because
14:13My kids would read the books
14:15When they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17Reading me the books
14:18So it was more like
14:19A past history thing
14:21That came up
14:22As an opportunity
14:23Well I mean
14:28If something is interesting
14:29You know
14:30Why not look at it
14:31I've had some wonderful
14:32Meetings in Hollywood
14:33Met wonderful people
14:35But in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37That's all I really want
14:39Is just to be free
14:40When you work in Hollywood
14:42There is a contract
14:44Some people love that
14:45And can work within that
14:47I
14:47It's maybe not
14:49So much my thing
14:50Right now
14:51But who knows
14:51Maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53You know
14:55Big superhero movie
14:56That could be fun
14:59Maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open
15:00To anything
15:01But at the same time
15:02At the end
15:03You should just
15:04Make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06Having creative control
15:08Which is
15:08Easier enough
15:10But it's where
15:11All the money
15:12That's invested
15:13Puts a burden on you
15:15Because all that money
15:17Has to get
15:17You know
15:18Recouped
15:19And then you have to
15:19Make a certain
15:20Type of movie
15:21You don't have the
15:22Freedom to do
15:23Whatever you want
15:23Because you're
15:24You're a slave
15:25To the economics
15:26If your film
15:27Costs 200 million dollars
15:29Or 100 million dollars
15:30You need to make
15:31300, 400 million dollars
15:32To break even
15:33That already puts
15:34A strain on
15:34What kind of movie
15:35Can you make
15:36And I don't want
15:37Any conditions
15:39On me
15:39At all
15:41You have to be
15:42Completely free
15:43I mean
15:48In the beginning
15:49A lot of people
15:49Were talking
15:50About another drive
15:51But it was like
15:52That would be
15:53The worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55So never
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07To live
16:07A fun life
16:09And
16:10It has nothing
16:12To do with fame
16:13You realize
16:15Very quickly
16:16It has
16:17That I've had
16:18Opportunities
16:19And I've been able
16:20To work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24And
16:25It's all been
16:26A lot of fun
16:27But I think
16:28When I started
16:29The idea of being seen
16:32Was very essential
16:33The idea of fame
16:34And fame being
16:36It's like
16:37An opportunity
16:38It's like
16:38A stage
16:39One thing
16:40Is becoming famous
16:41The next
16:42What are you going to do
16:42With it
16:43And obviously
16:44It's like anything
16:45It's an opportunity
16:46I don't get any
16:47I don't have any
17:00Je me suis dit que j'ai fait le film, et j'ai dit que j'ai fait le processus.
17:05C'est un peu de temps que nous sommes avec lui, quand il filme.
17:10Lui, quand il a fait Drive, j'ai eu l'aimé à Danemark avec les enfants.
17:13J'ai eu l'aimé de 10 mois.
17:16Et c'était juste pour hårdre que j'ai eu l'air.
17:21Mon quotidien est un routine.
17:23J'en vente. J'en vente. J'en vente tous les deux heures sportes chaque jour.
17:27J'en vente. J'en vente. J'en vente. J'en vente à mes enfants.
17:32J'en vente à l'aimé. J'en vente à l'aimé.
17:35J'en vente à ne pas se mettre trop tard.
17:39J'en vente. J'en vente. J'en vente à relaxer un peu.
17:45Et le prochain jour, c'est le matin.
17:47Tu as vu des films ?
17:49J'avais vu des films quand j'étais plus jeune.
17:52Mais maintenant, c'est juste plus difficile et plus difficile.
17:54Il y a des autres choses que je trouve intéressant.
17:56Comme quoi ?
17:57J'ai fait ma première exposition qui s'ouvre à Tokyo.
18:02Et ça a été beaucoup de plaisir.
18:04Une collaboration avec Hideo Kojima ?
18:06Oui.
18:07Pouvez-vous parler de ça ?
18:08J'ai créé une exposition qui s'ouvre à Friday, la semaine dernière,
18:15où j'ai créé cette installation entre nous.
18:19J'ai vu ma femme et ma fille dans la procession.
18:23Hé ! C'est moi !
18:25C'est moi !
18:26C'est moi !
18:27C'est moi qui s'ouvre !
18:28Tu veux aller ?
18:29C'est moi !
18:30Je veux aller !
18:31C'est toi qui…
18:32C'est toi qui...
18:33C'est toi qui ?
18:34Non !
18:35Vous avez joué un « Death Stranding 2 » ?
18:37Et vous êtes dans Death Stranding aussi ?
18:51Je suis Heart Man, et Heart Man est toujours dans Death Stranding.
19:00Je pense que je ne crois pas tout ce que je lis sur Internet.
19:04Tu peux nous dire quelque chose ?
19:06Je crois tout ce que tu lis sur Internet.
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