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06:14Et vous vous vous vous rendez, et vous vous rendez-vous où vous êtes et ce que vous êtes,
06:19vous savez, je vais être sous-terre parce que vous êtes sous-terre, ou ce que vous êtes,
06:23et je vais vous venir sur le deck et je vais juste regarder et il y a des millions de stars,
06:26et une haute de l'eau, et c'est exactement ce que je veux faire,
06:30et ce que je veux faire, c'est quand je veux faire.
06:31Et je pense à moi, je suis vraiment là, je suis là, je suis là,
06:34vous avez à vérifier yourself, un petit peu de la réalité check.
06:37Et puis vous endz dans ces belles places et vous pensez,
06:40c'est ce que j'ai fait pour arriver ici, vous savez, je construis mon bateau et je saisis 9000 miles
06:45de l'East coast de North America et, et, oui, c'est à l'heure,
06:51et vous vous sentez vraiment, et c'est ce que c'est ce que c'est tout pour moi,
06:57c'est ce que je suis en train de faire, c'est ce que je suis en train de faire.
07:00Oui, je pense que vous avez répondu la question que je vous disais,
07:04c'est que quand vous êtes en train, vous êtes en train d'offre et vous regardez le bateau,
07:08et imaginez, je suis en train d'envoyé un bateau, et vous vous sentez,
07:12vous vous sentez, vous sentez, vous sentez, vous sentez, vous sentez,
07:15vous sentez, oh, j'ai dit, j'ai dit, j'ai dit, ce qu'est-ce qui est,
07:17c'est vraiment, c'est, c'est vraiment, c'est comme je dis,
07:21c'est comme un reality check, comme, vous ne pensz pas, tu ne penses quand on,
07:25c'est juste dans votre imagination et c'est une de mes préférateurs,
07:29c'est taking quelque chose, c'est en votre imagination et puis faire en l'éase,
07:32je pensez que c'est une des spéciales, des forces que nous avons,
07:35Do you think it's changing you?
07:40It's making me want to spend more time at home.
07:46Okay.
07:46Yeah, you've kind of realized what you, you know, when you get out there, you have this vision and this dream
07:51and you put so much of your time and energy into it and you focus your entire life on it
07:55and then you kind of get out there and you're doing it and you kind of realize what you left behind
07:59or you maybe had what you wanted at home all along, you know?
08:03And so that's good, you know, but I get to scratch the itch, which is always important.
08:08You get to think about what's important in life.
08:10Yeah.
08:12Because you get a long time to think, eh?
08:13Yeah, exactly.
08:14And then you get out there and for me, I wish that I had like a drone or some way to get an outside perspective, you know?
08:20Because you only get the one look of you in the cockpit and the boat, you know?
08:24And I would imagine that from even 100 yards off, it looks just absolutely mental, you know?
08:29Like this tiny little boat on the big old ocean, you know?
08:31And I always just think to myself, holy cow, I'm actually like sailing my little boat
08:35that I built myself across the ocean right now, you know?
08:38So it's cool.
08:40So how's your relationship with the boat?
08:43Oh, it's great.
08:43We're best friends.
08:44You know, everybody always asks me like, well, what are you going to do with the boat after this, you know?
08:47And I always say, well, I'm probably going to have to sell it, but don't let it, you know?
08:50I say that where it can't hear me say that, you know?
08:52Because it's like, he's like, little boat's like, oh man, I just took care of you all those miles, you know?
08:57Or are you going to go ahead and turn your back on me, you know?
08:59So, yeah, we're good friends.
09:02I love the little boat.
09:03It's great.
09:04It's so much fun to sail.
09:05Anybody that's thinking about building one should absolutely do it because it is just a blast, the little boat.
09:09It just, it takes such good care of you, you know?
09:11Everybody, all these people think you're crazy or some guy walked down the dock the other day
09:15and he looks around and he looks at the boat and he's like, so, have you pitch pulled it yet?
09:18And I think, well, I think it would be pretty obvious if I had, you know?
09:24But that's his first thought, you know, is, oh, this little boat, you're going to go out on the ocean,
09:27you're going to pitch pull immediately.
09:27But it's just absolutely not true.
09:29They just, they can handle, you know, on this last passage, we had 25, 20, 25, blowing 30, you know,
09:34and three, four meter seas and the little boat loved it.
09:37It seems to like rougher conditions more than the lighter conditions, you know?
09:40The light conditions, it kind of, it wanders a bit and it doesn't want to go.
09:46But then when, as soon as it gets heavy, it just tracks perfectly straight.
09:48And, you know, you can, the thing I like about those is you can reduce the sail.
09:52You have so much option for sail.
09:53You can just reduce the sail based on the conditions.
09:55And then, and when you're sailing in heavy, the heavy conditions, you can use less sail
09:59and everything just seems so much more manageable.
10:02So, yeah, I think, I think the little boat goes great.
10:04I absolutely love it.
10:05Yeah.
10:05Have you started to think about or visualize the next leg?
10:08It's a long way, 9,700 miles or something.
10:11And, you know, you're getting an understanding of what's coming.
10:14Yeah, I think about it all the time.
10:16And Jasmine will say, like, I haven't even looked at the charts, but, like, every minute
10:19that I'm down, I'm looking at the charts for the next leg.
10:22Because, I mean, in climbing, it's the same thing.
10:24You pre-visualize.
10:25Pre-visualization is huge, you know?
10:26You imagine yourself doing it or you visualize yourself doing it over and over and over again.
10:30And then when you come to doing it, then you kind of have the steps that you need to achieve
10:34laid out in your mind.
10:35You know, you say, I need to do this and I need to do this and I need to do this.
10:38And then all the pieces just kind of fall into place.
10:40So, yeah, I spend a lot of time looking at the charts, a lot of time thinking about the tides,
10:43thinking about if I'm here in this situation, what will I be doing and how will I be navigating
10:48and negotiating it?
10:48You know, I think it's really important.
10:50And it's part of seamanship, I think.
10:52It's very sound principles.
10:54Yeah.
10:54That's what gets you there.
10:56That's right.
10:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:58So, what's been the biggest downer, like, when, you know, between Panama and here, either,
11:04you know, psychologically or just too hard work, you know, like, you know, what's been
11:08the down moments?
11:10For me, it was the Galapagos because I was becalmed four days.
11:14You know, I was 50 miles behind Jasmine or something like that.
11:17And four days later, I was 250 miles behind.
11:20Yeah.
11:20And I was really down about it, you know, like, if you could go back through my WhatsApp
11:24and look at my texts to my sister and my dad and stuff, I was just like, I'm a complete
11:29failure and I'm no good at this and I shouldn't be out here and all this stuff and I'm never
11:33going to catch them.
11:34And they were just like, you're one of 15 people out of 7 billion that's doing this.
11:39Like, it doesn't matter.
11:40You're doing it, you know.
11:41I can say this, but they're absolutely right.
11:43Yeah, you just need to get over yourself, you know, because I have high standards and
11:48I'm a competitive guy, you know, and I like to do well when I can, you know, and I always
11:52get down on myself like I'm not doing as well as I should be, you know, but they're like,
11:56if you're doing it, you're doing as well as you should be.
11:59So don't feel so bad about yourself, you know, and that really helped a lot, you know, and
12:04then I was able to kind of relax into it and just enjoy the sailing, you know, because
12:07when you're racing, obviously, you feel a lot of pressure, you know, to should I change
12:12the sail, do I have it set right, should I do this, should I do that, you know, but
12:16when I kind of realized that I wasn't going to be able to catch them, I was able to just
12:20relax and just enjoy the passages and it made a big difference for me mentally as far as
12:25being able to endure it, you know.
12:27Yeah, yeah, you're one of the few that, to my way of looking at you, you haven't
12:34physically changed much, you know, you got into it and you still look the same day, you
12:38know, a lot of others lost a lot of weight and all this sort of stuff, so you're
12:41obviously looking after yourself, you know, food wise and energy, you know, how do you
12:45feel physically?
12:46Oh, I feel great, you know, and that's another thing that comes from, we had achieved such
12:51a high level of fitness for the stuff that we were doing, like we weren't just going
12:54and climbing mountains, but we were trying to break records, you know, we were trying
12:57to beat guidebook times and we were trying to set fastest times on routes and stuff like
13:02that, so you really train hard for that and it gives you this really high base level
13:05of fitness, you know, and so like you might dip down if you're in a period of, you know,
13:10bit of laziness or you're not doing as much, you might dip down to your base level, but
13:13you never really go below that and so it's kind of just like, I've managed to maintain
13:17stasis, you know, I eat well, I eat when I'm hungry, I eat food I like, you know, and I
13:22try to make, just have a good balance of protein and carbs and stuff like that, you know, just
13:27try to manage my intake.
13:29Because you're a cooker as well, you cook up all the time.
13:32Yeah, I cook up every day basically.
13:33Bloody hell.
13:34Yeah, that's one of the things I look forward to, you know, I hand steer for 12 hours straight
13:37and then it's time for dinner.
13:42Put the wind vane on and that's my reward, that's like my carrot at the end of the stick,
13:45you know, that I've been working for all day, so.
13:48Yeah.
13:49And then I'll, you know, go down and make dinner, spaghetti bolognese or fish tacos or something
13:53like that and then I'll sit in the cockpit and watch the sun go down and every day I look
13:57forward to that, you know, and then every day I look forward to getting up and having breakfast
14:01so it gets me through the night.
14:02What about your sleep patterns?
14:03You know, because when I sailor, when I sailor five ages, I've got plenty of sleep, you know,
14:08because you're going to need to pull so many lines so often.
14:10Yeah, right.
14:11I sleep 40 minutes at a time.
14:13So I'll set the alarm for 40 minutes and when I get in the rhythm, I usually wake up
14:16at 37, you know, so like I'll wake up and there'll still be three minutes left on the
14:20alarm.
14:21But I just check the sails.
14:22So you rarely have a big sleep?
14:23Check the course.
14:24No, I rarely, rarely do.
14:26There was one point here on this last passage where I was trying to go between two islands
14:30and I have, so I draw the course on the chart plotter and I try to not deviate more than
14:35three quarters of a mile from the course because on the tracker, I want my line to look nice
14:38and straight, you know, everybody else's lines go like this, you know, and mine's just like
14:41straight.
14:42So I follow that, you know, and so I'll get up, you know, I'll wait and I'll time it and
14:49see how long it takes to get for the boat because it doesn't necessarily under the wind
14:52vein track perfectly straight.
14:54And so I'll, once it's three quarters of a mile off, I'll get up and I'll make the adjustments
14:58to go back the other way and I'll go back down, sleep another half an hour, 45 minutes
15:01and then make the adjustment back.
15:04And, and so, um, yeah, I never feel like I'm, I don't get enough rest, you know, um, and
15:10a lot of times I'll, uh, I'll even take naps during the day, you know, to, and, and sail
15:15more at night when it's cooler, kind of like that.
15:17So, so yeah, I think my sleep pattern has worked out really well for me.
15:21I never pull into port feeling like I'm completely exhausted or anything like that.
15:24And the thing is you, you, you have, um, headroom, you know, so if I have to sail for
15:29two days, if I, if I have to, for some reason, be up for two days, uh, I can, you know, cause
15:34I've, I've got a reserve in the tank.
15:36So, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
15:38So what do you do to get a step off the boat when you're at sea for relaxation or get your
15:42mind to wander and get away from things?
15:44You know what I mean?
15:45Oh, I've got books on tape.
15:46Yeah.
15:47Yeah.
15:47I listen to a lot of audio books and I listen to a lot of music.
15:50Mostly I listen to music when I'm sailing though.
15:51That's what helps me, uh, steer, hand steer.
15:53I can't hand steer without music going.
15:55I'll just fall asleep or, or, or just zone out, you know, and I'll look and I'll be like
15:5930 degrees off course or whatever.
16:00And so, uh, but yeah, I read paper books too.
16:03And, um, I play the ukulele and stuff, you know, sometimes, but I only know four.
16:07Oh yeah.
16:07Is it getting any better?
16:08Yeah.
16:09I only know four songs, but I've got them mastered.
16:12Are you going to increase your repertoire?
16:14I'm going to try.
16:15Okay.
16:16Yeah.
16:16Cause, uh, I used to know hundreds of songs and then I just quit playing for a while and I
16:19forgot them all.
16:20It's just like a few that I had known that were so well ingrained that I still remember
16:23them.
16:23But yeah, that, that's the one in my, can I hear those four songs again?
16:27Yeah, sure.
16:27Why not?
16:28So I'll pull it out, you know, or sometimes it seems like the little boat likes it when
16:31I sing to it, you know?
16:32Yeah.
16:32Yeah.
16:32Yeah.
16:32So it helps it go better.
16:34Sing some sea shanties and stuff.
16:36That's cool.
16:36Yeah.
16:37So living on board, are you managing to keep it dry down below?
16:39You know, like you, you know, what's happening there?
16:42Yeah.
16:42Boat stays dry.
16:43I mean, I just keep the hatch closed.
16:44Yeah.
16:44You know, when it, when there's a potential for water to come in, you know, a couple,
16:48sometimes you get a big breaking wave over the boat or something, a little bit of splash
16:51in, but, but nothing much, you know?
16:53And I, I've been fortunate I haven't had a lot of rain, you know, like it seems like
16:56other guys.
16:56You don't have a Dodger either.
16:57I don't have a Dodger or anything.
16:58It's just the, the tran, or the, you know, hatch in the cabin there and then just a hatch
17:04like on the bulkhead.
17:06And, but it seems to stay pretty dry.
17:08Even when it's raining, I can close the hatch just like three quarters and the rain still
17:11won't come in, you know?
17:12It depends on where it's blowing from, but no, it stays, it'll get damp like I'll, cause
17:16I'll go out with my, with my jacket on or whatever and I'll get, I'll get wet if it's
17:20raining and then I'll bring my wet jacket inside and then it evaporates and things kind of
17:23get a little damp, but, but no, I haven't had any problems really.
17:27It stays pretty dry.
17:28I'm surprised, you know, cause I was like, oh, everybody else has these fancy Dodgers and
17:32they've got their cockpit, the cabin tops extended and stuff like that.
17:35I was like, I'm just going to get absolutely soaked.
17:37And I've just been shocked really that it hasn't, you know?
17:39So I'm like, okay, well maybe there's something to that.
17:41If there's, if there's something you can change now with all the experience you've got and
17:44you're talking to a 580 builder, what, what would it be if anything?
17:47Um, as far as my boat goes, I'd probably put a HydraVane, you know, I think that's,
17:52uh, you can, it feels like you can carry more sail.
17:54It seems like that with the offset HydraVane, those guys, they seem to be able to sail a
17:57little bit better, uh, or track a little bit better, you know, but, but beyond that,
18:01um, I think it sails great.
18:02I feel, I feel like the rudder's a little bit undersized, you know, cause you get to
18:06the crest of the wave and the boat heels over and then you've got like this much rudder in
18:09the water and it just rounds up.
18:10It doesn't matter what you do with the tiller.
18:12It just rounds up.
18:12So, uh, but, but a lot of that has to do with sail balance too, you know, if you have
18:17something offset on the other side, you can help indicate that a little bit.
18:19So it's, I call it a fuse.
18:21Right.
18:21I mean, it was not designed on the side, it was designed under core principles of the
18:24boat, but it's proportionally beaming, which is cool.
18:27And so it could be, but you know, we've got so many boats out there now, we don't want
18:31to start playing around and it's a fuse.
18:33So you can have the effect of slowing people down.
18:35Right.
18:36Yeah.
18:36I mean, you look at Treka, which is a similar length boat, but it's also a much narrower beam,
18:40you know, which makes it a bit stiffer, you know, but just that you compromise a boat's
18:43always compromised, you know, so to have a little bit of beam in your boat, it's obviously
18:46more comfortable to be down below.
18:48You never, I never feel claustrophobic down there.
18:50I always feel like I have plenty of room.
18:51And, and so that, that's kind of a trade off, you know, a little bit more tender, but it's
18:55a little bit more comfortable at the same time.
18:57Yeah, absolutely.
18:58Yeah.
18:58No, that's cool.
18:59Yeah.
18:59So what, what would you say to someone that's watching you and watching all this and they're
19:03thinking about, oh, should we do this or shouldn't we do this?
19:05You know, what, what advice would you give to it?
19:07Oh, you should absolutely do it.
19:08You know, that's one of my big motivations for doing it is that hopefully I can inspire
19:12people to do not maybe obviously this, because it's just great fun.
19:16You know, you really bond with the fellow skippers.
19:19And that's like one of my favorite parts about it is the fact that once we're all looking forward
19:22to seeing each other again, we're not tired of each other or we're not just like, ah, this
19:25guy, like get him out of here.
19:27You know, like, it's okay.
19:29You don't smoke cigars.
19:30It's fine.
19:30Right.
19:30And so, yeah, I think the camaraderie and the, the, the, the family spirit of the whole
19:37event is, is really inspiring, you know, but that, that's one of the things that I hope
19:41to encourage people to do, even if you're just looking to make, you haven't ever made
19:44an offshore passage and you're thinking about it and you're nervous about it, just, you
19:47know, go out there and do it, you know, like learning by doing, I think is, is one of
19:52the things that's most satisfying.
19:53So you really don't know until you get out there and try it, you know, and I think that
19:56this is a, I've always thanked you and Jane for, for making this possible for us, you
20:01know, for, for, uh, providing us with the opportunity to do something like this.
20:05So, cause it's, yeah, it's absolutely incredible and I highly recommend it.
20:09Yeah.
20:09It's one of those things where, you know, but there's so many times that you would have
20:11experienced as well with climbing every time you do something different, people say,
20:15you can't do that.
20:15You've never done it before.
20:16Right.
20:16You just take two seconds to think about it.
20:18How could you ever do it before if you haven't already done it?
20:20That's right.
20:21Yeah.
20:21It's a balance cause we, we took a bit of, took a bit of flack for instance, with, with,
20:25with Jasmine, you know, people say, Oh, she's inexperienced.
20:28She shouldn't be out there, blah, blah, blah, but you've got to leave the door open.
20:30And so that's where we have the qualifiers, you know, no mountain climbing.
20:33You don't just go climb the big one.
20:35That's right.
20:35You start off with a little one and you get more and more and more and you go.
20:38Yeah.
20:38Yeah, exactly.
20:39And you never, you don't know what you're capable of until you get outside of your comfort zone.
20:43You know, that's just it is getting outside of your comfort zone and testing your limits
20:47and kind of finding where they are.
20:48Yeah.
20:48Yeah.
20:49I think that's important for people.
20:50You know, people get to be, what I say, addicted to comfort.
20:53Yeah.
20:53Yeah.
20:53And then, and, and then they, they, it prevents them from maybe doing some things that they
20:57would otherwise want to.
20:58Comfort eventually becomes boring.
21:00Yeah.
21:00I call it flatlining.
21:01You know, if you go over, you got the line in the middle, that's, that's the comfortable
21:05life.
21:05And as it gets hot, it's getting away from the line.
21:08You put the air conditioner on.
21:09So it comes back down to the line.
21:10Right.
21:10If it gets too cold, it goes below the line, you put the heater on and it comes back to
21:13the line.
21:13Yeah.
21:14And you progressively do that with everything.
21:15And the next minute you're flatlining.
21:16Yep.
21:16And all of a sudden you think, oh, this beautiful high standard of living is dead boring.
21:21Right.
21:22And that was a big, one of the things that appealed to me about this event in particular,
21:25was that it was the world first, you know?
21:26Yeah.
21:27And like you say, like people say, oh, well, you can't do that.
21:30You've never done it before, you know?
21:31Well, how did anybody do anything that had never been done before?
21:35You know, anytime, any, like, just as an example from my life, mountains that were climbed,
21:38the first time they got climbed, I'm sure people said it can't be done, you know?
21:41And somebody took somebody to say, well, I think it can, you know, and I'm going to
21:44go out there and try, you know?
21:46Yeah.
21:46You know, and you, and you, you, you know, you, you play the game.
21:49It's a big gamble, you know, your seamanship and your, and your courage against the weather
21:54and everything.
21:54And you put your life on the line as the stake, you know?
21:56But if you don't like the game, then you don't, you don't have to play.
21:59But, but, uh, I think that's, uh, that's the spice of life.
22:03So did I ask you, do you think this, this changing you, this, this whole adventure is
22:07changing you?
22:09Um, it's changing me into a better sailor, that's for sure.
22:14But for me, it's always about the next goal, you know?
22:16Like whenever I don't have a goal on the horizon, I feel a bit listless.
22:19I'm sure you can relate to that.
22:20You know, as soon as I finish something, I, uh, I feel a bit hollowed out afterwards, you
22:24know?
22:24And then six months, a year goes by and I'm like, all right, well, what, what can I do
22:28now?
22:28You know, I want to test my will.
22:30I want to test my, my resolve, you know, and see what I'm made of.
22:34Yeah.
22:34Just the little voices.
22:35Yeah.
22:35Voices start when you're sitting around.
22:37So yeah, yeah.
22:38I'd say I, I'm changing, um, just, well, I don't know.
22:43It's, it's hard to say because I've, I always want to do things like this.
22:47I'll always want to take big adventures, you know?
22:49Yeah.
22:49And, uh, it just, it'll, it'll shape the types of adventures, I think in the future, you know?
22:54You're very much like me.
22:55So if I was in your position, uh, what's next?
22:59Cause that'd be on the agenda while I'm finishing one.
23:01You're thinking about what's next.
23:02Right.
23:03So have you got a, got a perspective on that yet?
23:05Yeah.
23:06I mean, I try not to think about it too much.
23:07I try to just think about getting to Cape Town.
23:09Yeah, exactly.
23:09What's next to surviving Cape Town.
23:12But no, I, I've always had the dream to kind of like maybe, um, ride my motorcycle, you
23:17know, from, uh, Alaska to Ushuaia or something like that.
23:20You know, that was kind of, I was actually like kind of preparing to do that before I found
23:25the MGR and then I ended up, uh, changing course, you know, doing this instead.
23:29So that's always something that would be, that would be a consideration, but, uh, I, and
23:34I would like to do a circumnavigation, uh, but slowly.
23:38Yeah.
23:39Well, I guess, uh, more slowly.
23:41Yeah.
23:42Yeah.
23:42Yep.
23:43And just, I know what you mean.
23:44Yeah.
23:45Just get to go to a few more places and stuff like that, you know, because you come to these
23:48places and it's just incredible, you know, and I want to go check out Sabu Sabu and I
23:51want to go check out the law group and stuff like that, you know, and, and, uh, it's basically
23:55you just make a note for later that like, these are the things that you want to do.
23:58Yeah, exactly.
23:59No, that's cool.
24:00All right.
24:01So, um, so now, um, your boat is clean.
24:06You've dusted it.
24:06They're, everything's organized.
24:08You're helping everyone else's work.
24:10Uh, what holiday are you going to have while you're here?
24:12When are you going to unwind?
24:12What's happening?
24:13Oh, you've got your family coming.
24:14I've got people coming down.
24:15So yeah, my partner, Kathy, she'll be here, um, on the 15th.
24:19Yeah.
24:19And then, uh, my sister will be here a few days after that.
24:22And we've got a rental car, so we're going to go do some exploring and we've got an Airbnb
24:26and so we'll get to sleep in a real bed.
24:29That's kind of like the top of what I'm looking forward to is sleeping in a real bed, but also
24:33just seeing everybody, you know, and kind of, I'm really excited for them to get to meet
24:37my extended family here, you know, because then they get to see who I'm, uh, who I'm spending
24:41all my time with, you know?
24:42Yep, exactly.
24:44Okay.
24:44So you've got a good following.
24:46You, you, you, you know, because you haven't got Starlink, have you?
24:48I have not.
24:49I'm the only one that's left that does not have.
24:51Yeah, exactly.
24:51Because I know, because we're short on, not short on, but we, we don't hear a lot, you
24:55know, you, you know, we get messages and we know what you're, you're safe and see what
24:59you're going on on the tracker and this, that and the other.
25:01Um, and obviously budget is always a thing because it's 200 bucks is nothing, but it's the monthly
25:05fees and stuff like that.
25:07Yeah.
25:07Um, but are you enjoying the serenity of not having that, do you think?
25:11Yeah.
25:11Is that you?
25:11Absolutely.
25:12Yeah.
25:12Yeah.
25:13I, and you know, I always like to do things the old fashioned way.
25:16Yeah.
25:16And that's kind of my style, you know, how did it work for the people who did it back in
25:19the day?
25:20I mean, people failed for thousands of years without Starlink, right?
25:22Yeah.
25:23And so, I mean, it works for me too.
25:25Um, and it's a double-edged sword, you know, because if you're trying to attract sponsors
25:28or attention and stuff like that, they want to see that social media, but at the same
25:31time, like it's, I just like to go sailing.
25:33Yeah.
25:34So like every day I go sailing and I'm not worried about, uh, oh, am I doing this for the gram or whatever,
25:39you know, or should I, you get FOMO about missing shots or like, should I have this
25:42on camera and stuff like that?
25:43And like, uh, I just, I film what I think is interesting and I try to film interesting
25:47perspectives, you know, to try to give people a perspective of what it looks like from my
25:51point of view.
25:52Um, uh, and so, yeah, being disconnected is, is, it's nice.
25:56Yeah.
25:57You know, you don't feel the pressure to be on all the time.
26:00Don't worry, I'm with you.
26:01Right.
26:02When I, I only did the transat on the 580, but just to do one tweet a day was a bit annoying.
26:06Right.
26:07Because it breaks you.
26:08It breaks you out of the groove, you know.
26:10And I like, I do like the fact that we have to check in with the managers every day, you
26:13know, because that gives me something to look forward to, um, just a little bit of communication
26:17with the outside world.
26:18And of course, my sister is all over the place.
26:20She's taken on the fleet as her, like, surrogate, uh, entrance, so.
26:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:26Uh, so yeah, it's good to check in, but, uh, I also enjoy the serenity too, for sure.
26:30Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
26:31Yeah.
26:32No, very good.
26:33So, um, uh, I think we're just about out, um, on what we can talk about.
26:38I'm, you completely blow me away.
26:40You're so organized and so, uh, together.
26:43And I, I really keep coming back to your mountain climbing experience, you know, it really, um,
26:48sets you up with self-discipline and, and risk management and, uh, you know, everything,
26:52you know, it's really quite amazing to watch.
26:55Yeah.
26:56So, um, yeah, good luck with the next part of the, next part of the, the journey.
27:00Yeah, this is the, this is the exciting part.
27:02Yeah.
27:03Yeah.
27:03Have you, have you got a favorite spot, like stopover?
27:06Oh, every new spot is my next favorite spot, you know?
27:09Yeah.
27:09Like, I thought, I mean, uh, Panama was okay.
27:12There was a lot going on there, so we didn't really get a time, a lot of time to enjoy ourselves.
27:15And then, um, I, I, you know, I thought the Marquesas, there's songs written about it
27:20and all these things.
27:20And I was like, oh, the Marquesas, you know, that's going to be Polynesia and South Pacific.
27:24And I got there and it just rained every day.
27:28Vaga.
27:29And so I was like, oh man, what's going on here?
27:31And I was actually pretty low that I would have to say the Marquesas for me was the low
27:34point so far of the trip.
27:35Really?
27:36Yeah.
27:36I was pretty depressed while I was there just cause it was so, it, it was just, it was,
27:40you had to, you know, 30 minute walk to town and you had to row your dinghy through
27:44the, the water was, wasn't so clean and it was just, it was hard for me to, to live
27:49there, you know?
27:49Um, and so, but then after that, I got to Tahiti and Tahiti was just amazing.
27:54You know, it was just, uh, paradise, you know, with the, the clear blue water and we
27:59went snorkeling in the reefs and stuff like that.
28:01And then I thought, well, I can't get any better than this.
28:03And then I went to Tonga.
28:05That's when it got serious.
28:06Yeah.
28:06No, man.
28:07Tonga was just absolutely beautiful.
28:09Anybody I can highly recommend if you're thinking about a South Pacific, uh, uh, trip
28:13and Tonga should be at the top of your list cause it was just beautiful.
28:16The water there was so clear and the white sand beaches and beautiful coral reefs and
28:21everybody's so friendly.
28:22And I hate to say this, but you only saw one little bit.
28:24I know.
28:25In my opinion, the best bit is the Hapai group, which is a hundred miles south and
28:28it's like paradise.
28:29It's unbelievable.
28:30Right.
28:31Most people go to Vavau and keep coming, you know, they miss, they miss the Hapai, which
28:34is, uh, something else.
28:36But anyway, that's, that's part of the course, I suppose.
28:38Yeah.
28:38And then we get to Fiji and then, then it's even better.
28:40Everybody's even more friendly and they all say hello and everybody just wants to help.
28:44And they're also super helpful.
28:45And it's just one of the friendliest places I've ever been.
28:47So yeah, I've really, I really enjoy Fiji too.
28:49So, I mean, every stop, it just, like I said before, every stop is the next place that
28:54I never want to leave.
28:54You know?
28:55So the bar just keeps getting set higher and higher.
28:58And I'm really looking forward to Cocos cause obviously I've read, uh, John Guswell's book
29:02and he spoke so highly of it that I've wanted to go there ever
29:06since then, you know?
29:07So I'm really looking forward to that.
29:08I think that's going to be really cool.
29:09Yeah.
29:10I've said this in the others.
29:11I'm really envious.
29:12But anyway, we won't get there, but one day I'll get there.
29:13Maybe.
29:14Yeah.
29:15Do you think a John Guswell much when you go?
29:16Oh yeah.
29:17All the time.
29:18I mean, I don't know how many people know this, but I'm the only entrant that's actually
29:20seen Treka in person.
29:21Oh, cool.
29:22Yeah.
29:23Yeah.
29:24Yeah.
29:25So, and then besides like, uh, one of the questions, uh, when did you see it?
29:27So it was in September of 2022 or something like that.
29:30Yeah.
29:3123.
29:32I was working at a, uh, I was doing an offload at, uh, uh, at the, uh, the ship terminal
29:38there in, uh, Victoria.
29:41And so, uh, preface to that, like I had sailed from, uh, Honolulu to Victoria as part of my
29:46qualifying miles.
29:47Um, and when we were there, I went to the British maritime museum and I said, I want
29:53to see Treka.
29:54And they're like, well, you can't see it.
29:55It's not on public display.
29:56There's no way.
29:57You know, it's, it's mothballed basically.
29:59And I was just like, I was really disappointed because I had sailed all the way to Victoria
30:02thinking, oh man, as soon as I get there, I'm going to go see Treka.
30:05And, um, you told them that you're hanging on building a little boat.
30:08Yeah.
30:09Yeah.
30:10They were, they didn't care.
30:11So, so, uh, I guess serendipity or, or the universe's way of making things happen, you
30:16know, um, I was there two years later, uh, for a job.
30:21And, uh, I, I, we were, we were stuck in the port cause they were having a problem with
30:24the crane on the ship.
30:25They couldn't, they couldn't lift our boat off of the ship that it had come from Taiwan.
30:30And so we were there for three days and we didn't have anything to do, but just sit
30:33on the boat and wait to see if today was the day they were going to get it fixed.
30:36And so I was just using the washroom.
30:38I asked one of the dock workers, Hey, where's the washroom?
30:40And he says, Oh, it's in here.
30:42And, um, he led me into this, this building, kind of like a warehouse, kind of like a event
30:46space.
30:47And they were doing some construction.
30:48So they had some plywood walls set up and he said here, the wall it's, it's through there.
30:54Just let yourself out when, when you're done.
30:56And so I said, okay.
30:57And so I come out of the washroom and I look and like, I see the bowsprit of a boat that
31:01I recognized was Tilikum, which is like, Oh yeah, geez.
31:03Small boat.
31:04Tell me about Tilikum.
31:05Epic small boat adventure.
31:06And I was like, Oh man, that's, that's the Tilikum.
31:08You know, I knew what the bowsprit looked like cause that's another, uh, Pacific Northwest
31:13connected boat, you know, and, and I was like, well, those Tilikum is usually displayed
31:17with Treka when they had it, when they still had it on display.
31:20And so I was like, well, I'll have a look.
31:20So I walk around the corner and like there, there's Treka right there, just, just sitting
31:24there.
31:25And, and basically I had nowhere to be.
31:26I had nobody wondering where I was.
31:28So I had as much time to be alone with it as I wanted.
31:31I spent two hours in there just staring at it and walking around.
31:33I didn't want to touch it too much or anything, but yeah, it was really cool.
31:37Um, yeah.
31:38And I got to stumble on it like going to the dunny, just exactly, just purely, purely by
31:43chance.
31:44Yeah.
31:45And I was just absolutely thrilled.
31:46And so, yeah, it's a beautiful little boat and, and, um, it's interesting just to see the
31:49differences, you know, and to think that, I mean, if people think, Oh, you're crazy for
31:54sailing around the world and 19 foot boat, and I look at Trek and I was like, wow, he's
31:58crazy for sailing around the world and that I've been there done that I know what you
32:04mean.
32:05Yeah.
32:06I know exactly what you mean.
32:07Yeah, but it's cool.
32:08Like one of the questions that you asked when we were, um, you know, applying for, um, entry
32:10into the MGR was if you could change any two things about, about the MGR, what would it
32:14be?
32:15And I didn't answer, but what I should have answered was if it's going to be a real race
32:18in the spirit of John Guswell, it should start and begin in Victoria.
32:21Yeah.
32:22Well, that's another story.
32:23Yeah.
32:24Yeah.
32:25Yeah.
32:26Yeah.
32:27Uh, just, I, I definitely think about John a lot, uh, because of the Northwest connection,
32:32you know, how he built and sailed his boat from Victoria and, uh, and that was, that was
32:36just right in my backyard.
32:37So yeah, it's really cool.
32:38I'm kind of the hometown connection for me.
32:40There's a funny irony to all of that.
32:41You know, I look at it and he was a real trailblazer, you know, taking off in that little
32:44boat going all the way around, but it's interesting looking at the course now and everyone coming
32:48across the same way and you can see, you know, I mean, this is which comes first Trekker
32:52or here, but if you, if Trekker hadn't existed with John Guswell before, knowing what we know now,
32:57you think, oh, of course that boat's capable of doing this sort of stuff.
32:59You know what I mean?
33:00It's just that he was the first.
33:01Right.
33:02Because I had two or three different or four or five different experiences with other
33:07small boats that made me realize that small boats are cool.
33:10They're fine.
33:11Yeah.
33:12Now they're very seaworthy in the ocean.
33:13You know, um, John Luke, this is, this is like a wine bottle on the, on the ocean.
33:17They just float around and it rises to meet the waves, you know, you see this wave and
33:21you, and it's this tall of the transom and you think, oh my gosh.
33:24And the boat just goes right over it.
33:26Absolutely.
33:27You know, just like that.
33:28Absolutely.
33:29And that absolutely happened with us in the bounty boat.
33:30You know, when we did the bounty boat recreation, we had like about, I don't know, 30 centimeters
33:33of freeboard, less than that.
33:34Totally.
33:35Totally.
33:36And it's fine.
33:37Yeah.
33:38Halfway across the Pacific in it.
33:39Right.
33:40Open boat.
33:41Yeah.
33:42So, uh, and I, we used to dream and bounty boat, we said, imagine if you had a deck ducking
33:45it over and they had a keel.
33:47Right.
33:48Oh man, we'd be in heaven.
33:49You know, and that was the seed, all of this stuff came together as the start of the 580.
33:53Right.
33:54Anyway, we digress.
33:55Yeah.
33:56So you guys are trailblazing.
33:57You're going to open the eyes to a lot of people.
33:59Yeah.
34:00The safety factors of small boats.
34:01Yeah.
34:02Yeah.
34:03I really hope so.
34:04And, and that's one of the things I love about small boats is all the loads are so manageable.
34:07Yeah.
34:08You know, even when the sails are full of wind, you can still pull them down by hand and you
34:10know, you can do a lot of the sheeting by hand and like you use the winches to haul
34:13up the main sail and stuff like that, but you don't necessarily need them, you know, yeah, exactly.
34:18You could pull it up by hand and then just put, you know, grind on some tension.
34:21But that's one of the things I love about it is you're not really worried about getting
34:23your thumb sucked into a winch or something like that.
34:25Like that stuff just doesn't happen.
34:26Yeah.
34:27I agree.
34:28I call it, you can only pull so many strings so often.
34:29Yeah.
34:30The rest of the time you go to sleep if you want.
34:31Yeah.
34:32It's not hard.
34:33Yeah.
34:34All right.
34:35Well, well done, Josh.
34:36I'm really, I say it virtually every time.
34:37Every one of you guys and girls are so totally different.
34:39In it for, you know, I say everyone's in it for a different reason, but at the same time,
34:44if you had to summarize why you're doing this from you personally in just a couple of words,
34:49what would it be?
34:50Why are you doing this?
34:52Personal achievement.
34:53Yeah.
34:54You know, I never, I was never in, when I was climbing, I was never in it for the adrenaline
34:59rush.
35:00Everybody's like, oh, you're an adrenaline junkie.
35:01You're just going out there for the, for the thrill, you know, but for me, it was the
35:04sense of accomplishment to say, to say, I think I can do it and then prove myself right.
35:08Yeah.
35:09You know, I think it's just really satisfying.
35:10Yeah.
35:11You know, I, I put all of that because it's exactly the same.
35:13It's another way of saying that you want to prove something to yourself.
35:16Exactly.
35:17I don't, I'm not trying to prove something to anybody else.
35:18Although I am proud that I, and I hope that people are inspired by what we're doing, you
35:22know, and to believe, to believe in themselves and believe themselves capable of whatever it
35:25is that you want to do.
35:26Even if you want to ride your bike across town and you haven't ridden a bike in 15 years
35:30or something like that, you can absolutely do it.
35:31It's just all, it all comes down to self-confidence, believing in yourself.
35:34Yep.
35:35Believing in the fact that I can do this.
35:38It all comes with adventure, right?
35:39Right.
35:40I can, I can do this.
35:41I think this would be what I would say.
35:42Yeah.
35:43Perfect.
35:44Okay.
35:45Good job, man.
35:46Always a pleasure.
35:47Thanks, buddy.
35:48Yeah.
35:49Yeah.
35:50Yeah.
35:51Yeah.
35:52Yeah.
35:53Yeah.
35:54Yeah.
35:55Yeah.
35:56Yeah.
35:57Yeah.
35:58Yeah.
35:59Yeah.
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36:27Yeah.
36:28Yeah.
36:29Yeah.
36:30Yeah.
36:31Yeah.
36:32Yeah.
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