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WIRED Senior Editor, Security & Investigations and Incognito Mode host Andrew Couts speaks with Senior Writer Lily Hay Newman to thoroughly pat down the the premise of airport security, answering a question we've all thought at one time or another: is this layer of security even effective?

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Transcript
00:00When you go to the airport, you're likely being surveilled more than anywhere else in
00:03your life.
00:04Airports are really where the trade-offs between security and privacy come into focus.
00:10In 2015 and 2017, Homeland Security found that TSA failed to stop mock explosives 95%
00:17of the time.
00:18So are these current safety measures truly effective?
00:20This is Incognito Mode.
00:28One thing that we assume is just part of flying is going through a body scanner.
00:32But body scanners have only been in place since 2010.
00:35That's not really that long ago.
00:37And they're really only there because of one guy.
00:39In 2009, a man accused of being a terrorist flew into Detroit on flight 253, packed with
00:44powerful explosives in his underwear.
00:46The man attempted to detonate the bomb while the plane was descending into Detroit, but
00:49it only caught fire and didn't actually explode.
00:52This man flew from Yemen to Nigeria, to the Netherlands, and then to the United States,
00:57and at no point was he detected.
00:59It's for this reason that we all have to go through body scanners.
01:02So what do TSA agents see when you go through a body scanner?
01:05Technology that can see under your clothes.
01:07Until 2013, some body scanners used X-ray, which made a very clear image of your nude body
01:13every time you went through.
01:14And TSA agents were able to see this.
01:16They've since discontinued the use of the X-ray body scanners, and now use a version that
01:20obscures any sensitive areas on your body.
01:23The types of body scanners now in use are millimeter wave scanners.
01:26Instead of showing your real body, privacy software creates a 3D doll-like image and then flags
01:31areas that agents might need to check.
01:33Have you ever gone through one of those and then an area of your body gets flagged and
01:38checked for like no apparent reason?
01:41Sometimes the machines aren't working or the line for the machines is too long.
01:46So then, you know, an agent will just let a bunch of people arbitrarily go through a metal
01:51detector, which is what they used to use, and then just as arbitrarily they say, okay,
01:57that's all, and everyone else continue going through the scanner.
02:00So all of these things just make you wonder, what are we really catching here and how airtight
02:07is this security?
02:09It's really hard to prove that something is working because of the absence of something,
02:15and yet it feels intuitive, like we're pretty sure like this has to be doing something,
02:19right?
02:20Like knowing that you're going to go through all the surveillance and pat-downs or whatever
02:23when you go to the airport has to be a deterrent to somebody somewhere.
02:28Like there's probably been some terrorist attacks that didn't happen just because nobody tried
02:32because these systems are in place, right?
02:35This is a valuable tool in like a security toolbox, but it can't justify all intrusions
02:44into privacy.
02:45So like we can understand that there's some amount of that that is valuable and productive,
02:50but it doesn't necessarily mean just anything goes.
02:53We still want to think about the balance of, well, what is that measure that is having a deterrent
03:00effect and is it worth the trade-off?
03:05You may have seen in the headlines recently that facial recognition is expanding to more
03:10and more airports.
03:12Facial recognition is one form of surveillance that relies on biometrics.
03:15Biometrics are your personal identifiers.
03:17Think your face, fingerprint, anything about you that's inherent to who you are.
03:21And that's why people are so concerned about biometric surveillance.
03:24Those are things you can't change, can't hide, can't do anything about.
03:28You can imagine how bad it is if somebody gets your social security number, but now imagine
03:31they have your fingerprint or your iris scan.
03:33And that's when it gets into new uncharted territory.
03:36Once an entity has that data, that's you forever, right?
03:41If that organization were to misuse that data or if it's stolen or whatever could happen,
03:48once it's kind of out of your control, there's a potential privacy risk that just sort of endures
03:53through your whole life.
03:54So why is this a big deal?
03:55Well, it used to be that all these databases were disparate, they didn't all communicate
03:59with each other, they didn't all share the same data, but that's starting to change.
04:03We're going to have a big giant database of everybody's photos, everybody's identities,
04:07and the fact of the matter is we don't really know how these systems could be used in the
04:10future.
04:11One of the first rules of privacy and security is to limit the creation of data in the
04:15first place.
04:16And so facial recognition is just another way of creating more data about you that could
04:19eventually be abused.
04:20People have said for a long time, well, what's the point of declining, you know, whether it's
04:27a face scan or other types of data collection, the government already has all my data anyway,
04:32right?
04:33For many years, the sort of response to that was, well, in the US, you know, the way the
04:41federal government is set up, each agency's data is siloed from the others.
04:46Even if you had given data to one agency, or particularly like a state level agency, that
04:52doesn't mean all the federal agencies or the whole federal government has that information.
04:57You know, both sides of the aisle, like, that has been viewed as a really fundamental right.
05:03At times, there have been initiatives to try to do like a universal ID within the US where
05:10sort of like all the checks and everything would be built into this one card or document
05:16or whatever.
05:17But there was always pushback to that, again, on both sides, but particularly from Republicans
05:21saying, I don't want the government in my business.
05:24I don't want a like central point of control of knowing who everyone is.
05:29And that's why it has largely remained a state's directive.
05:33But now, like you're saying, there's really a movement away from that in this very sort
05:39of casual, like, well, now this is happening and all federal data is being centralized kind
05:44of way, completely ignoring the fact that there's been literally decades of debate about this.
05:50In November 2024, a bipartisan group of 12 senators that includes Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders signed
05:56a letter asking the TSA for more information about how they're going to conduct oversight
06:00of the expanding use of facial recognition at airports across the United States.
06:04The senators warn that soon hundreds of airports will have facial recognition, but they also
06:08say people aren't aware that they're able to opt out.
06:11You're allowed to tell the TSA, no, I don't want to be subjected to facial recognition.
06:14But the senators say they've received reports of travelers encountering belligerent TSA officers
06:18who don't want to allow them to opt out, which is their right to do.
06:22When a bipartisan group of senators sends the TSA a letter like this, you can tell there's
06:25broad concern over the oversight of TSA facial recognition systems.
06:29The fact that the senators even had to send a letter like this just shows that there's
06:33very little information about how effective these systems are.
06:36Even though things seem to be moving in this direction right now, where all this data seems
06:42like it's being stockpiled more and more by the federal government, it's still worth
06:46being thoughtful, you know, declining anything you want to decline or you feel that you can
06:53because there can still be value in that.
06:56And you kind of never know which way the wind is going to blow and what's going to happen.
07:00The data minimization concept still applies.
07:03If you've been to like a major airport recently, you've probably had somebody come up and be
07:10like, hey, do you want to sign up for Clear?
07:12Do you want to skip the line?
07:13Yeah, exactly.
07:14And then who doesn't want to skip the line?
07:15But this isn't a government agency that's operating the system.
07:18This is a system called Clear and it's run by a third party company.
07:22An alternative to Clear is the TSA pre-check program, which is basically the same thing,
07:26but it's run by the US government.
07:28What is the deal with Clear and why is there more issues with a third party company kind of doing
07:33this instead of just the US government?
07:35Well, when something is a third party, like a private company, consumers may not have control
07:42over what happens to that data.
07:44Either right away, like you've had your face scanned by this entity and then maybe a company
07:53is selling it to a third party or sharing it with a partner, things like that.
07:58But there's also been a lot of situations where over time, a company that holds data is then
08:06acquired by another company, goes bankrupt or merges with another company and the data
08:13starts to change hands and change hands.
08:15So something like Clear, short term, it's a way to get through airport security faster,
08:21but you're entrusting this durable, non-changeable, you know, biometric information with an entity,
08:30you know, you don't know where that will lead over time.
08:34Clear works by scanning various biometrics about you.
08:37That includes your iris, your fingerprint, and now they're starting to move into full facial
08:41recognition.
08:42In exchange for using Clear, you're able to get through the line more quickly and the company
08:45claims that using the facial recognition technology will speed up things even more.
08:49Clear's privacy policy says that it will share your information with the government.
08:53If authorities issue a subpoena, the company may also share your information in connection
08:57to an investigation into potential illegal activity.
09:00You're also trusting the company to safeguard your data and you don't really have much
09:03insight into how the company is doing that.
09:05Clear is not subjected to public records laws, and that means it's a lot harder to get information
09:09about how the company is storing your data, treating that data, and that they're not abusing it.
09:14Clear says, what is it, in 10 minutes or something, you can, you know, just sign up
09:19here and you can walk right through.
09:20So it really raises the point of that security screening, taking shoes off, taking the laptop
09:27out of the bag, all of those things.
09:29Is that really keeping us safe if we can so easily skip it?
09:35Yeah.
09:35And it's also normalizing the acceptance of additional surveillance in exchange for convenience.
09:42It's not even exchange for security necessarily.
09:44It's just in exchange for getting through the line faster.
09:46I think that's a great point.
09:48You know, like we were saying, we as a society kind of created this challenge of long waits
09:55at airport security.
09:57And now, look, here's this private company that will solve it for us.
10:01So the worst case scenario I can see here is kind of already happening.
10:04Like, Clear is not just at airports.
10:06It's in stadiums.
10:07It's in arenas.
10:08And so we're already starting to see this company's mission creep out into the rest of
10:13the world.
10:13And it's becoming tied to the profits of a private company that we have absolutely no
10:18control over how they're going to conduct themselves.
10:20It's one thing for it to be the government where you have some say in it, in a representative
10:24democracy like we live in, in the United States.
10:26Whereas a private company, you just have no control.
10:28They're going to do whatever they're going to do.
10:30And mostly they're going to do whatever's going to make them the most money in exchange for
10:34our privacy.
10:34And so it's going to become increasingly invasive.
10:40Anytime you go to an international airport, you are technically entering a U.S. border
10:45zone.
10:45This means your devices might be subjected to warrantless searches by customs and border
10:49protection agents.
10:50In January, directly after his inauguration, President Donald Trump signed an executive order
10:55allowing agents to conduct enhanced vetting of anyone entering the United States.
11:00Trump's executive order empowers border agents to use more aggressive tactics when vetting
11:04travelers coming into the United States.
11:06This might mean pulling people aside into interrogation rooms or searching their devices.
11:11For example, in early 2025, a French scientist was allegedly denied entry because a border agent
11:16found text messages on his phone that were critical of Trump and his science policies.
11:21Now, when you're at an airport, TSA isn't allowed to search through your phone.
11:25It's only CBP officers that have the authority to do so.
11:28While people have become increasingly concerned about having their devices searched at the border,
11:32studies show that since 2021, there's only been a 0.1% increase in device searches.
11:38I would say a large number of the inspections that we have here do not include any electronics
11:43whatsoever.
11:43Is it within our authority to search those items?
11:46It is, but we use our discretion when we're looking to use that search parameter.
11:51So historically, there's no huge cause for concern, but that could change.
11:55And when we're talking about these device searches, there's kind of two levels of a search.
11:59One is the agent just literally looks through your phone and, you know, some of the advice
12:04is make sure it's on airplane mode or make sure you just turn it off and stow it away
12:08so they don't think of the search it in the first place.
12:10The other is a lot more invasive.
12:11Can you talk about that?
12:12CBP agents could run like more detailed digital analysis on it, potentially even remove some
12:20of your data or, you know, copy your data off your phone.
12:23It gives them more ability to kind of map out like your accounts and start to understand
12:30potentially what other data you have stored elsewhere.
12:33So that's why that first check, you know, when we talk about what might be suspicious,
12:40what might raise some red flags, because you're in that first search that you're talking about,
12:47just sort of a casual flipping through.
12:49You want everything to look cool and just look chill because then it doesn't need to
12:54progress beyond that.
12:55So if a CBP officer wants to search your device, can you say no?
12:59Well, it depends on who you are.
13:01If you're a U.S. citizen, you can absolutely deny a search of your device.
13:05Your device might be confiscated.
13:06You might have some delay, but you'll still get in the country.
13:09If you're a green card holder, you may face some types of immigration consequences
13:13for denying a search of your device.
13:15For visa holders, they may be refused entry and have their visas revoked.
13:21From the moment you enter a terminal till you go to board your flight,
13:25you're likely being subjected to surveillance from hundreds, if not thousands, of cameras.
13:29That's something you've probably already thought about.
13:30It's an airport.
13:31Of course you're going to be monitored.
13:32But the number of cameras seems to be increasing at international airports.
13:35At LAX, for example, they recently upped the number from around 1,000 to around 3,000 cameras.
13:40And they had plans to expand that surveillance to the 10-mile perimeter around the airport.
13:45But it's not just the number of cameras.
13:46These devices are also getting enhanced capabilities, such as AI analytics,
13:50that monitor crowd behavior, individual behavior, unauthorized areas, and loitering.
13:55It's very hard for humans to grasp when we are being surveilled by video surveillance nonstop.
14:05And I think the incorporation of AI into all of these systems,
14:11it's even harder to grasp the depth of the analysis and information
14:17that can be extracted in near real time about just any footage that's coming in.
14:23So our instinct is to kind of think, well, OK, even if we can understand there's all those
14:29cameras everywhere, which is hard enough, then it's like, yeah, but nobody can be watching
14:34everything all the time.
14:35But AI actually makes it more possible.
14:38Let's say an AI system, this can happen anywhere, but an AI system in an airport determined that
14:45you were acting suspicious, like, oh, Andrew has a suspicious walk in the terminal today.
14:51You know, that is a very subjective decision.
14:54So, you know, as AI is integrated into more and more systems, these are the types of things
15:00that we all need to be aware of and be conscious of and be, you know, making proactive decisions
15:06as a society rather than just allowing things to kind of drift where they will.
15:11We should address that.
15:12We shouldn't just leave that.
15:13Airports weren't always like this.
15:19It's only since the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks that the U.S. really ramped up security
15:24at airports.
15:25TSA's 2025 budget is $11.8 billion.
15:29And according to one poll, three in four Americans say they trust the TSA to keep them safe.
15:34Is it important to take measures to keep everybody safe?
15:37Of course.
15:38Absolutely.
15:39Security is paramount, especially at airports.
15:41But do we really need to be throwing out our water bottles every time we go through airport
15:45security?
15:46Maybe not.
15:46There may be other ways to do this that are better both for our security and for our privacy.
15:51A big criticism of TSA and airport security checkpoints is that they aren't really effective
15:58a lot of the time and that the core thing that's happening is what's called security theater.
16:05This ruse to make everyone feel better that isn't necessarily doing anything.
16:10Yeah, whether the TSA is popular or not, I don't know.
16:13But people definitely want good security at airports.
16:16If it's achieving that goal, that's great.
16:19I think it's hard to know whether it's actually achieving that goal.
16:22And so I think that's problematic on two fronts.
16:25One, because that raises the possibility of something bad happening and it making all
16:30of the surveillance and intrusions that we're subjected to at the airport kind of for not.
16:34And the other is that we're giving up a ton of privacy to have something that's not really
16:40working the way that it should.
16:42And so I think there needs to be a lot more clarity in terms of how effective each and
16:47every system and process that the TSA subjects the public to is and whether or not it's actually
16:53increasing our safety or whether it's just making us feel better.
16:56Yeah, and I think that's a really good point that it isn't all or nothing.
17:00Each component can and should be evaluated to see how effective it is.
17:06Some could be taken away.
17:07Some could be added.
17:08It doesn't have to be in one direction or the other.
17:11But if we're going to kind of create a problem and a whole industry around airport security,
17:18it needs to actually be accomplishing the goal.
17:22You know, it's important to say that like a lot of this in the U.S. came from the September
17:2711th attacks.
17:28And so there was like a real tragedy and a real reason behind all of this concern and
17:35trying to step up security.
17:37But just because there's a good reason to consider or reconsider the security of something
17:44and how you implement that, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean that where things have
17:49landed is the best way.
17:50Yeah, exactly.
17:51And I mean, I am very sympathetic to people being OK with surveillance to avoid terrorist
17:57attacks.
17:57I mean, we both lived in New York City on September 11th.
18:00We are filming this right now in the World Trade Center.
18:03The footprints of the old World Trade Center are literally right behind us.
18:07And so, you know, we're well aware of the consequences of security failures.
18:11But that doesn't mean that we need to live in a world where intense surveillance anytime you
18:17travel is just how it has to be.
18:21So what can you do if you're traveling through an airport and you want to protect your privacy?
18:26Unfortunately, there's not much.
18:28But there are a few steps you can take.
18:29One, know your rights.
18:31This is going to change depending on who you are, what your immigration status is, and exactly
18:35where you're traveling.
18:36But just make sure you're up to speed on what agents can and cannot do.
18:39Two, use a dedicated travel phone.
18:41This is a device that is only going to have things on it that you're comfortable an agent
18:45searching through.
18:46And third, don't sign up for Clear or other systems like it.
18:49And opt out of facial recognition.
18:50No matter how belligerent the agent gets, you can always say no.
18:53This was Incognito Mode.
18:55Until next time.

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