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Zach Gelb of the Infinity Sports Network joins the show for his take on the MLB All-Star game and launches up a controversial landing spot for Nick Saban if he decides to return to the sidelines.
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00:00And he comes to us today and every Wednesday from the WFAN studios in New York City.
00:06He's on the Toyota of Hollywood hotline.
00:08And today's National Hot Dog Day.
00:11Where is your glizzy, Gelb?
00:13Because I'm sure outside the FAN studios, they happen to have a plethora of dirty water hot dogs to choose from.
00:20Yeah, I'm protesting National Hot Dog Day.
00:23I am not participating this year, so no hot dog for me.
00:26I don't understand.
00:27How on earth could you protest National Hot Dog Day?
00:31And why would he disappoint us again not showing up with a hot dog?
00:35Didn't he do this to us once before where he was supposed to have a hot dog?
00:39But he got it from a deli.
00:40No, I got one.
00:41It wasn't a dirty water dog.
00:42Yeah, I got it from a deli because I didn't want to get diseases and all these things.
00:47You're on the phone.
00:48Can't you just walk downstairs and get a dirty water hot dog while we're doing this?
00:51I'm not doing it.
00:53I was at Margate.
00:56I had too much veal chop.
00:58I had too much pork chops.
01:01I had too much steak.
01:02I was eating like a pig last week.
01:04I'm now going to a bachelor party tomorrow morning.
01:08So I'm not wasting the calories.
01:11And I know that's going to sound lame on a hot dog.
01:14Just not doing it.
01:16Was that a veal parmesan that you sent me the picture of?
01:20Or was that a chicken parm?
01:21That was a bone-in veal parm from Chef Ola's.
01:25Unbelievable.
01:25That looked good.
01:26That was one of the best-looking meals I've seen in a long time.
01:30Hey, Gail, get some micro greens.
01:31It keeps you skinny.
01:32Micro greens.
01:33Yeah.
01:34Do you macro?
01:35What I do is I don't do any of these drugs or any of this Fugazi stuff.
01:42I go to the gym.
01:44I work out for an hour on the elliptical.
01:46I lift some weights.
01:47And I eat a lot of protein shakes, perfect peanut butter bars, and a lot of different variations of chicken sausage.
01:56Solana, tell them how to count as macros.
02:00Tell them, Solana.
02:01Go ahead, Solana.
02:01Tell them.
02:02They make fun of me, Gail, because I don't want to be fat, so I make sure I'm on a caloric deficit, and they think that's funny.
02:08I don't know why.
02:09Well, tell them how to count macros.
02:10Tell them how to count macros.
02:12I'm sure he knows if he wants to count macros.
02:14It's not a hard thing to do.
02:15You just have to count the amount of calories you put into your body.
02:18That's it.
02:19Not crazy.
02:19Yeah, I don't do any of these numbers or science.
02:22I just eat healthier and move more, and I've seen a lot of good results.
02:26Solana, yesterday when you told us you count macros, that's just counting calories?
02:32Calories, the amount of protein, grams of protein going in your body.
02:36I thought it was something that I didn't know about.
02:38So instead of saying I count calories, which women have been saying since the 70s with Weight Watchers, you say I count macros because it sounds cool.
02:45You know what, Solana?
02:46I'm actually – this is going to be a plot twist.
02:48I'm defending Solana.
02:49Solana, your name's on the show.
02:50Put your cojones on the table and tell these two guys you're in the best shape in this show.
02:56So tell Hockman to go eat another deep dish pizza and tell Crowder to go shut the bleep up.
03:01He doesn't have any room to put his cojones on the table because all his macros are there.
03:06It's not even a question, Kel.
03:09It's not even worth – it's not a battle worth fighting with these guys.
03:13I mean, Crowder's teeth are literally falling out of his mouth, and Hock thinks that the Aperol Spritz is a new drink.
03:20I mean, his mind is going.
03:21It's actually a health drink.
03:22I actually count Aperol Spritz.
03:25And the idea that I don't want to get fat is funny to these guys.
03:29I mean, whatever.
03:30Yeah.
03:31Just make sure your eggs are omega-3 and cage-free.
03:34You'll never gain weight.
03:36By the way, microgreens, Gelb, great source of fiber if you need any help in the fiber realm.
03:41I can't believe that counting macros is just counting calories, which Richard Simmons started in 1977.
03:48Why do you call it counting macros?
03:49Because it's a more defined science.
03:51It's like you're counting the amount of grams you're putting into your body.
03:54You're counting the amount of fat grams you're putting into your body.
03:57Proteins look like –
03:57You're a housewife in Highland Park, Illinois, growing up in 1976, counting your calories with your little notebook.
04:03Macros.
04:04You know what?
04:04This shows you how long I've been doing this show because when I first started, I was a fat slob.
04:10Solana probably wasn't in the best shape.
04:11Now he's in the best shape on the show.
04:13And you two porky guys in Hockman and Crowder now somehow allowed Solana's name on the show and allowed him to be in the best shape.
04:20So we've come a long way in 53 or 4 years.
04:22You look good, man.
04:23You look good.
04:25Have you seen his calves?
04:26Have you seen his calves?
04:27I mean, Zach Gelb –
04:28I got the best calves in radio.
04:30Crazy.
04:32Crazy.
04:34Solana's built like a vice principal, though, Gale.
04:36Don't give him too much credit.
04:38That's true.
04:39You do look like a vice principal.
04:40You look like the guy who stands right behind Joe Clark just in case things get a little out of control for his –
04:46Solana, once again, the honeymoon is over.
04:49Your name's on the show.
04:50You don't got to kiss up to these two bullies anymore.
04:52Kick their ass now.
04:53Fight.
04:53Let's go.
04:54Entertainment.
04:55Go macro at my head.
04:56Let me go get some popcorn with a lot of butter and get fat again and watch this fight.
05:00Come on.
05:02I got my fiber coming at 714 this morning.
05:06Now, hold on.
05:07I remember you two clowns when you guys used to eat seaweed on this show.
05:10So let's not act like you guys don't do crazy things.
05:13Nothing as delicious and crunchy as –
05:14I say, hey, I'm eating a hot dog.
05:19I'm eating a seaweed.
05:21He goes, I'm counting macros, but I just found out that that's the Richard Simmons show from 1976.
05:25It's just what it's called, Hawk.
05:26It's a cutie name.
05:27I didn't come up with that name.
05:28It's what it's called.
05:30And by the way, Gelb, the funniest part about all this is that old assfoot Channing Crowder over here has done every single fad diet ever known to man.
05:40This guy watched a vegan documentary on Netflix, and the next day he let his wife convince him he had to go vegan,
05:47and there was sneaking chicken wings behind her back for years, this prod, this phony.
05:53Now, big question here.
05:55Big question here.
05:56When you have those chicken wings, do you dip them in ranch or blue cheese?
06:00Oh, blue cheese.
06:02You're a normal human man.
06:03He's a man.
06:04A man.
06:04Yeah.
06:04He's ranch.
06:05He's ranch people.
06:06That's the Generation X.
06:07You know how many macros are in that blue cheese?
06:10No, of course you don't, because you're a man.
06:13I forget the name of the character.
06:15Jeannie Sachs, I think her name was, in The Sopranos.
06:18Remember when she's sneaking those candy bars in the basement past her husband?
06:23That's basically Channing.
06:26With the chicken wings.
06:28Solana did not like the swing-off last night at the end of the All-Star game.
06:32I loved it.
06:33I thought it was revelatory.
06:34I thought it was fun.
06:36Solana hated it.
06:37I loved it.
06:37What did you think?
06:38I thought it was awesome.
06:40And honestly, with how already the extra innings are fugazi in the regular season,
06:45with the ghost runner on second, if after two innings we don't have a winner,
06:49I would go to a swing-off after two extra innings in the regular season.
06:52That's what I would do.
06:53I thought it was wonderful.
06:54And do they need to fix baseball?
06:56Because one thing we're arguing, you know, in jest about it was, like,
06:59baseball is a perfect game, but their swing-off takes too long.
07:02Like, how do they fix baseball?
07:04Because obviously the viewership is down.
07:06We're doing top 100 lists in the summer.
07:08Or how do you fix baseball?
07:10The biggest problem is they can't market their stars.
07:14Like, even last night, outside of Clayton Kershaw, they interview all these guys during the game,
07:17and they're absolutely boring.
07:18So I appreciate the competitive nature while they're still competing in the game.
07:22They don't really want to talk to the media.
07:24But we have to do a better job in marketing the stars.
07:27Like, look how great Mike Trout was.
07:28If Mike Trout was walking down the street trying to get a glizzy, counting his macros,
07:33and probably avoiding that in New York City, no one would even know if he stopped at a glizzy stand,
07:36if we're just being honest.
07:37They don't market the stars well enough.
07:39So speed up the pace of the game.
07:40I'm not a big fan of Rob Manfred.
07:42They did that with the pitch clock.
07:45This automatic ball strike system, I think, is good for reviews,
07:49which is only initiated by the pitcher, the catcher, or the batter.
07:54So they make some small changes.
07:56But ultimately, I think it's an attention span issue because of how long and slow baseball could be.
08:01And I say this as someone that has a partial season ticket plan for the Mets,
08:05but there are times when you're watching a baseball game that you just get bored
08:09and you want to get up and walk around the stadium and be like Hawk
08:11and just basically go to all the food stands and eat all the foods
08:14and basically be an Instagram person.
08:15That's why I love going to a baseball game.
08:16Yeah.
08:17Because you feel like it's okay to actually walk away during the action.
08:21No other sport.
08:22I want to ask you something quick because I want to talk about that top 100 list
08:26that Crowder mentioned there.
08:27But real quick, Panthers will open the season, the NHL season, on a Tuesday at 5 p.m.
08:34NHL released the schedule.
08:36There's going to be a triple header on ESPN that night.
08:38They're playing the Devils?
08:40No, Blackhawks.
08:41Okay.
08:42I saw something about the Devils saying we don't like any rats in New Jersey.
08:46And it was something with the Panthers on social media.
08:48So I don't know if that was their home opener.
08:49Did the Panthers get done dirty by the league by having their banner raising
08:55at like a 4.30 Tuesday afternoon to get the puck drop in by 5 p.m.?
09:01There's a triple header.
09:03Should the Panthers have gotten the 8 p.m. game?
09:05And why did they get the 5 p.m. game?
09:07Did they get done dirty?
09:08Yeah, I don't know.
09:09Maybe they just wanted to cater all those old people in Florida and get them in for the early bird special.
09:13That would be my only guess.
09:15But that is lame.
09:16You just won the Stanley Cup.
09:17You're back-to-back Stanley Cup champions.
09:19You're on the verge with one more Stanley Cup victory of becoming a dynasty.
09:23You should get primetime treatment.
09:25Is that right?
09:265 o'clock?
09:275 p.m.
09:28They open the season.
09:29It's the opening game.
09:31It's a triple.
09:31There's only three games that Tuesday night.
09:33It's a triple header.
09:34That's lame.
09:35But the Panthers get the first game starting at 5 p.m.
09:39Yeah, that's lame.
09:40I don't like that.
09:41It's a little odd, isn't it?
09:42A little odd.
09:43All right.
09:43So we talked about yesterday, ad nauseum, the top 100 list on Bleacher Report.
09:50And I know you've seen it.
09:51The top three are MJ, LeBron, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
09:56So let's start there.
09:58Do you agree with the top three?
10:01Yeah, I have no problem.
10:02One, two, and three.
10:03If you go MJ, one, LeBron, two, and Kareem in at number three.
10:06I think that's most people's top three.
10:10And could you honestly, Gail, because you do sports.
10:14You love sports.
10:15You talk about it nationally.
10:16Can you really confidently talk about Bob Cousy and Bill Russell?
10:21Because I see their stats, but the game is so different.
10:25I was joking yesterday with Jim Laranega that Bill Russell was playing against
10:29damn Walgreens workers.
10:31Like, can you really go error to error and say a guy that played in the 70s
10:35is better than this guy that played in the 2020s?
10:38So it's difficult, and here is why.
10:41Because on this list that was sent to me, Kobe was in at 11.
10:44Like, if you would have told me, if you would have just asked me this statement,
10:47is Kobe Bryant the 11th best basketball player of all time, I would say too low.
10:51And then you see the names in front of him.
10:53Now, I could disagree with some of the names that are in front of him,
10:56and I still think he should be in the top 10.
10:59But it's not like any of the names that are in front of him are absolutely egregious.
11:03But I do think Kobe was too low, by the way, at 11.
11:07So who would you take off then?
11:09Give me the list, one through 10 again.
11:11Yeah.
11:12I have it.
11:13One through 10 is MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Magic Johnson, Bill Russell,
11:20Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan.
11:23Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Steph Curry.
11:28Oh, boy.
11:29See, like, that's how tough it is.
11:30I would say I'd rather have Kobe over Steph.
11:34I'd rather have Kobe over Wilt.
11:38And that's probably...
11:40Would you rather have Kobe or Shaq?
11:41Jim Laranaga said yesterday...
11:44Was it Laranaga who said yesterday?
11:46Or was it...
11:47Who else do we have on here?
11:49I think it was Laranaga, but I'd take Kobe over Shaq.
11:52Okay.
11:53So there, if you agree...
11:55Now, the dominance of Shaq, just at his position, was almost unstoppable.
12:00Now, afterwards, I don't know Shaq was older.
12:02Shaq won one championship.
12:04Kobe ended up winning two more.
12:07Shaq had Dwayne Wade.
12:09Kobe had Pau Gasol and Ron Artes.
12:13So, yeah, I don't think it's crazy to say that you'd rather have...
12:15Well, that was...
12:16I hear the laughing.
12:17I mean, he thanked his psychiatrist after hitting that shot.
12:19Remember?
12:20He did a big-time shot.
12:21Yeah, no, he did.
12:21He did.
12:22And if Kendrick Perkins...
12:23If Kendrick Perkins...
12:24It's crazy to say this now.
12:25If he didn't get hurt in that game six, the Celtics probably win that series.
12:28That was the famous line from Doc Rivers.
12:29This starting five has never been beat in a playoff series.
12:33Because KG was hurt the year before.
12:35And then Perk didn't play game seven.
12:37Yeah, so I would say that Kobe's somewhere in the seven to nine kind of range of all-time.
12:44Is there any chance, in your opinion, that LeBron could overtake MJ as number one on your list of all-time NBA players?
12:56No.
12:57It would have been an interesting conversation if he got to five championships.
13:02Because you're in striking distance.
13:04But I don't think he's getting another championship.
13:07I think Michael is considered the greatest basketball player of all time.
13:13Now, I hate these debates because I've done this and I've refused to take phone calls on this anymore.
13:18Because anytime you mention Michael, then LeBron people call up and they trash Michael.
13:23And then, you know, vice versa, the other way as well.
13:27So, it's weird that you have to knock the second greatest basketball player and talk about him like he's some bum at times with some people in order to praise Michael Jordan.
13:36And you talk about like those bigs, the Shacks and the Kareems and all.
13:41There's no more of those, right?
13:42Because if you're Giannis, you're seven feet.
13:44You're Kevin Durant, you're seven feet.
13:45You're learning how to shoot threes and dribble the ball now when you're a kid.
13:48When B2, like 7'6".
13:50There's not another center that's going to jump into top ten in basketball history or now in the future.
13:56There could be one, Nikola Jokic.
14:00Right.
14:01Because if he already has three MVPs, he already has an NBA Finals and an NBA Finals MVP.
14:10If he gets another championship in Denver, because like you look at how we value.
14:15I know he's on the top ten of all time.
14:17Dirk Nowitzki winning in Dallas.
14:20And we look at Nikola Jokic, like look at what Joker has done.
14:25I would argue that I would already rather have the career of Nikola Jokic than Kevin Durant.
14:31And look how much longer KD has already played.
14:34So just starting the conversation there.
14:37Joker right now, out of all the players in the league that we aren't already talking about in the top ten.
14:42So aka LeBron.
14:43He has the best, and Steph.
14:45He has the best chance to move into that top ten moving forward in this next wave.
14:48He's 17 right now on this list.
14:50It's funny because based on what he's done, career accolades, I get he doesn't belong in that echelon yet.
14:57But just overall, style of play, ability.
15:01Yeah.
15:02Is he not the greatest big man?
15:04I mean, I know this might be a crazy take.
15:07In the history of the game?
15:08I'm talking about he can bang down low with anybody in the league.
15:12He's an immovable force.
15:14He can pass like Magic Johnson.
15:16That's the thing that you never see from a big guy.
15:18And he can shoot the threes.
15:21Not Steph Curry, but he shoots a very good percentage from three for his size.
15:25He can literally take over the game from the top of the key.
15:28Brings it up like he's a point guard.
15:30We've never seen a player like that who also has a back-to-the-basket post-game like Shaquille O'Neal did.
15:37We've never seen that.
15:38Yeah.
15:38And if you look at it right now and compare this to the NFL too, look how long Peyton Manning dominated the NFL.
15:45And look how great of a career Kevin Durant has had.
15:48And I already think Mahomes has surpassed Peyton Manning in the NFL.
15:52And also Nicole Jokic has already surpassed the career of Kevin Durant in the NBA.
15:56It's wild.
15:57And that's not to say that as a slight of the other guys, but look at what Mahomes and Nicole Jokic have already accomplished.
16:03And I don't think it's a crazy thing to say.
16:07Zach Gelb, Infinity Sports Networks are going to a bachelor party.
16:10Where is it?
16:11Going to Denver.
16:12This is kind of a low-key one.
16:14Recently, I've been to Barcelona.
16:16I've been to Puerto Rico for some bachelor parties, but going to Denver.
16:21So we will enjoy ourselves high in the mountains, go to Red Rocks, and do whatever they do in Denver.
16:28High in the mountains.
16:31I thought that was just a slick way of saying it.
16:34If you want to call it out and go it that way, that's up to you.
16:37A lot of Mad Dog Russo died, if you get what I'm saying, this weekend.
16:43Stoned in the mountains.
16:45I have to ask this because I need to try to make a headline in this interview.
16:49Channing, Nick Saban, is he coming on back?
16:52To college?
16:53To football?
16:55Yeah, coaching football.
16:56College of the NFL.
16:57I don't think he will.
16:57I don't think he can deal with the NIL and these new kids.
17:00I think the reason he left the first time is the reason he's not coming back.
17:03So I don't think he's going to come back to college.
17:08But we were talking about this the other day, and we talked about what would be a good destination for Nick Saban.
17:13The Dolphins are actually a good destination a year from now.
17:15Who says you can't go home, guys?
17:17Get out of here.
17:18He loves Tua.
17:20Him and Tua already have a connection.
17:21Jalen Waddle?
17:22Waddle.
17:23Hey, we got action, Hawk.
17:25No.
17:26We would not.
17:26No, we don't have action.
17:28We would not welcome him back.
17:30Hawk, if they sign Nick Saban, I know what the lead is.
17:34I'm so fired up.
17:35You get one of the greatest coaches of all time.
17:37The Dolphins are going to the playoffs.
17:39Miami has the Dolphins.
17:41You would be singing it.
17:42You and Joe Rose holding hands, singing it.
17:44That guy turned his back on this city in a cowardly fashion.
17:48Doesn't take anything away from his college coaching career.
17:51Maybe the greatest college coach to ever do it.
17:53But he turned his back on this place in a cowardly fashion.
17:57He's not welcome back here, and neither are you, Gelb.
18:01Would you welcome back LeBron?
18:03Yeah, in a heartbeat.
18:04Okay, so what's the difference?
18:06I don't know.
18:07All right, Zach Gelb from the Infinity Sports Network.
18:09We'll see you.
18:10Safe travels, buddy.
18:11You got it, guys.
18:11Be well.
18:12There you go.
18:13Zach Gelb from the Infinity Sports Network on National Glizzy Day without a glizzy.
18:18Very disappointing from Zach Gelb there.
18:21All right, Crowder's going to tell you about a car dealer here once he finds the information.
18:24I got it, baby.
18:25In his photo, what did he call it yesterday?
18:28Photo.
18:29Photo log.
18:30Photo log.
18:32I got an iPhone with the photo log.
18:34You got the photo log?
18:35All right.
18:36Man.
18:36I got the macro log.
18:39It doesn't work as good as this one.
18:41I think you might have a micro log.
18:43You look like a log.
18:45You look like a log.