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  • 15/07/2025
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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

FilmsActu X Nicolas Winding Refn (Interview)
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04:49C'est complètement l'opposite, c'est comme un coin, c'est comme un ying et un yang.
04:54Vous avez un documentaire et vous avez un fantasie, et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc je suis allé de l'un à l'autre, et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantasie
05:04a été beaucoup de fun, donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV, et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4, il y a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes worlds,
05:20mais je n'étais plus intéressé dans le même, parce que social media dominates
05:29cette narrative maintenant, tout est accessible, et la plupart des choses sont réelles,
05:35ou à l'heure, des choses peuvent être très réelles, capturées à l'instant à l'instant,
05:39et c'est très efficace, et je ne peux pas faire ça,
05:43mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler ça dans mon propre version,
05:48c'est fantasy, et c'est ce que j'ai été plus intéressé,
05:51et j'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le monde réel,
05:55et j'ai été plus excitée de se passer dans l'espace théâtral,
06:02l'espace d'unreality, comme un stage, et donc c'est comme l'évolution.
06:08Je pense que si les directeurs veulent revenir et changer leurs films,
06:16je suis sûre qu'il y a une raison,
06:17je n'ai pas besoin de faire, je n'ai jamais eu de la liberté créative,
06:23pour faire le film que j'ai voulu faire,
06:25donc il n'y a rien à changer, j'ai quand même regardé,
06:28donc une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:30j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps,
06:33c'est plus loin dans mon corps,
06:35je dois avoir à changer de chose.
06:38Il y a quelque chose dans le monde,
06:40c'est difficile à expliquer,
06:45ils parlent de vous,
06:51mais vous êtes encore le même,
06:56il y a quelque chose dans le monde,
07:02It's hard to explain
07:07They're talking about you, boy
07:13But you're still the same
07:17Oh, absolutely.
07:19I mean, I'm starting from the beginning
07:21with doing everything in 4K
07:23and I'm doing all the restorations myself.
07:25So I'm doing...
07:26It's all coming from me
07:27and you can buy them directly from me
07:30at bynwr.com
07:32I'll sign your box set
07:34and send it off to you.
07:37I am...
07:37Yeah, I'm a huge fan of 4K
07:40Like, I love 4K
07:42I think 4K is, like, amazing
07:45because so many films
07:46can be re-watched
07:49with even better quality
07:50and who doesn't want that, you know?
07:53So it's kind of like a new layer of
07:56the new normal for me
07:58so I decided to do all my films in 4K
08:01slowly rolling them out, you know?
08:07I think cinema
08:08and television for that matter
08:10has had a very tough time
08:12in the last 10 years or so
08:1410, 15 years
08:15Gaming, social media, VR
08:18canvases are exploding
08:20and they're constantly evolving
08:22because technology is allowing them to evolve.
08:24Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more
08:28just content
08:30that you almost look at
08:31while you're doing other things
08:33and movies are still
08:35that window of exclusivity
08:37of the collective experience
08:39but I think that movies
08:41also needs
08:42to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes
08:46for Only God Forgives
08:47and I, after everyone
08:49had been booing me for so long
08:51that during my stay
08:53I did say
08:55look, you can be angry with me
08:57and about my film
08:58but I am from the future
09:01and I'm going to make something
09:02that's going to predict
09:03what it's going to be like
09:05if you want to make films
09:06in the future
09:07and I was right
09:09because right after
09:10Only God Forgives
09:11the industry changed
09:12because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15and it changed
09:17not so much what we're making
09:18but it's how we experienced
09:20film and content
09:22essentially
09:23how we viewed it
09:24and I think that to
09:25justify or for a movie
09:27to exist in longevity
09:29you have to see
09:31what a film can become
09:33rather than what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38it's all about the build-up
09:40Bang, bang
09:41and then it's to the other wall
09:43Now make it dirty
09:44unique, interesting
09:45never seen before in violence
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52but I will say that
09:54everything is an evolution
09:56of something
09:57and there can be a tendency
10:00when something is liked
10:03that everyone wants the same same
10:07but I don't necessarily think
10:09that's true
10:09it's better to give them
10:11something else
10:12or something different
10:13or something that
10:14destroys your past
10:16in order to make
10:17something new
10:19to transition
10:20you know
10:20obviously the two films
10:22are very different
10:23but what ties them
10:24is
10:25myself
10:26and Ryan's
10:27interaction
10:28however
10:29I find that interesting
10:30it's like taking something
10:32and turning it on its head
10:34it's taking the ultimate
10:35superhero
10:36in one movie
10:37and emasculating him
10:39in the next
10:39it's taking one movie
10:41that's very poppy
10:42and another movie
10:43that's very esoteric
10:45and that I think
10:47is what makes
10:49the world interesting
10:50is that things
10:51can become
10:51different
10:52it can evolve
10:53into other components
10:55rather than just
10:56always staying
10:57in the same
10:58repeat lane
10:59because you very quickly
11:01run out of steam
11:02in my opinion
11:03I was
11:03I was very happy
11:05but obviously
11:06you know
11:07a lot of harsh reactions
11:09and a lot of booing
11:11and screaming
11:12but then I was like
11:13that's kind of cool
11:15because then you're like
11:16the sex pistols
11:17of cinema
11:18you know
11:18you're like
11:19the one everyone
11:20throws bottles at
11:21but you can't
11:22deny it existence
11:23you can't really
11:24criticize it
11:25because
11:26I did it my way
11:27the world will see it
11:29as it continues
11:30to evolve
11:31and
11:31you just have to be
11:33you have to just
11:34to be
11:34trust yourself
11:35so you never lose
11:36your vision
11:36when you have
11:37that strong reaction
11:38no on the contrary
11:39you're like
11:40it's like energy
11:41it's like
11:42just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets
11:47about only God forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49and it is
11:49I just didn't make it
11:51very expensive
11:52is there a doctor
11:53in the house
11:53we need to get
11:56a medic in here
11:57is there
11:58is there a doctor
11:59around
11:59when you were mentioning
12:012001
12:02it says
12:03in Kane
12:03you forgot to add drive
12:04we'll let that slip
12:06we won't know about drive
12:08for another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10whether it lives
12:12or dies
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made
12:16in 1968
12:17I made this film
12:19about 4 years ago
12:20so it's about
12:204 years is a zip
12:21it's not even a blip
12:23it's not a pimple
12:25on the asshole
12:27of humanity
12:28what was funny
12:29about talking
12:30to Billy Freakin
12:30was that it was
12:31he had a man
12:33who had struggled
12:34a lot
12:34in Hollywood
12:35and started
12:38very successfully
12:39at a young age
12:40and then
12:42gone into
12:42Sorceress
12:43and you know
12:45was still traumatized
12:47by that experience
12:48after so many years
12:49and I think
12:50that was what
12:51was so sad
12:51in a way
12:52that it had
12:53such an effect
12:54on him
12:54it's a little bit
12:55like Michael Cimino
12:56doing Heaven's Gate
12:57these amazing films
12:59both Sorceress
13:01and Heaven's Gate
13:02are probably
13:03their best films
13:04for some reason
13:05get so destroyed
13:07and then they lose
13:09sight of themselves
13:10or they lose
13:11their confidence
13:12and it affects
13:12all the other movies
13:14they make afterwards
13:14and I was like
13:16I'm never going to be
13:17like that
13:17because I'm right
13:19you're wrong
13:19I mean I've
13:24done two shows
13:26one with Amazon
13:27one with Netflix
13:27and I like
13:29what I was making
13:30obviously
13:30but I
13:31I don't know
13:32how
13:32how
13:34much I want
13:35to continue
13:36I may want
13:37to take a break
13:38and
13:38go and make
13:40movies again
13:41I've decided
13:42to do more
13:42visual arts
13:44you know
13:45and
13:45trying
13:46to find
13:48other areas
13:49of creativity
13:50but I think
13:51it's time
13:52to go make
13:53a film again
13:53you said
13:54you work on
13:54two shows
13:55but you work on
13:55The Famous Five
13:56or something
13:57The Famous Five
13:58was a television show
14:00that I
14:00I just
14:01how do you say
14:02executive produced
14:03or created
14:04but I had no
14:05involvement in it
14:06otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08the kind of
14:08concept and the story
14:10based on these
14:11very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13was more because
14:13my kids would read
14:14the books
14:15when they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17reading me the books
14:18so it was more like
14:19a past history thing
14:21that came up
14:22as an opportunity
14:23Well I mean
14:28if anything
14:28if something is interesting
14:29you know
14:30why not look at it
14:31I've had some
14:31wonderful meetings
14:32in Hollywood
14:33met wonderful people
14:35but in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37that's all I really want
14:39is just to be free
14:40when you work
14:41in Hollywood
14:42there is a contract
14:44some people love that
14:45and can work within that
14:47it's maybe not
14:49so much my thing
14:50right now
14:51but who knows
14:51maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53you know
14:55big superhero movie
14:56that could be fun
14:59maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open
15:01to anything
15:01but at the same time
15:02at the end
15:03you should just
15:04make what makes you happy
15:05it's one thing
15:06having creative control
15:08which is
15:08easier enough
15:10but it's where
15:11all the money
15:12that's invested
15:13puts a burden
15:15on you
15:15because all that money
15:17has to get
15:17you know
15:18recouped
15:19and then you have to make
15:20a certain type of movie
15:21you don't have the freedom
15:22to do whatever you want
15:23because you're
15:24you're a slave
15:25to the economics
15:26if your film
15:27costs 200 million dollars
15:29or 100 million dollars
15:30you need to make
15:31300-400 million dollars
15:32to break even
15:33that already puts a strain
15:34on what kind of movie
15:35can you make
15:36and I don't want
15:37any conditions
15:39on me
15:39at all
15:41you have to be
15:42completely free
15:43I mean in the beginning
15:49a lot of people
15:49were talking about
15:50another drive
15:51but it was like
15:52that would be
15:53the worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55so never
15:56never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07to live
16:07a fun life
16:09and
16:10it has nothing
16:12to do with fame
16:13you realize
16:15very quickly
16:16it has
16:17that I've had
16:18opportunities
16:19and I've been able
16:20to work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24and it's all been
16:26a lot of fun
16:27but I think
16:28when I started
16:29the idea of being seen
16:32was very essential
16:33the idea of fame
16:34and fame being
16:36it's like an opportunity
16:38it's like a stage
16:39one thing is becoming famous
16:41the next
16:42what are you going to do with it
16:43and obviously
16:44it's like anything
16:45it's an opportunity
16:46you've got a lot of love
16:48I don't know
16:48I don't know
16:50I have a lot of love
16:51you have to work
16:51you have to work
16:51I also have to work
16:54I did
16:55I have to work
16:55I have to work
16:57we'll be here
16:59in Bangkok
16:59for 6 months
17:00and Yang Han
17:01will make his next movie
17:02and I'm in the movie
17:03and I'm in the movie
17:03in the process
17:04it's a new
17:06when we work
17:07together
17:08when he's filming
17:09he's on the
17:09ying
17:10there were
17:11when he got home
17:12in Denmark
17:12with children
17:13and it was
17:14which took 10 months
17:15Et c'est trop difficile pour eux-mêmes.
17:45Et le prochain jour, c'est le mois d'août.
17:47Tu regardes des films ?
17:49J'ai regardé beaucoup de films quand j'étais plus jeune,
17:52mais maintenant c'est plus difficile et plus.
17:54Il y a d'autres choses que je trouve intéressantes.
17:56Comme quoi ?
17:57J'ai fait ma première exposition qui s'ouvre à Tokyo,
18:02et ça a été beaucoup de plaisir.
18:04Une collaboration avec Hideo Kojima ?
18:06Oui.
18:07Pouvez-vous parler de ça ?
18:08J'ai créé une exposition qui s'ouvre la semaine dernière,
18:15en Tokyo, où j'ai créé cette installation entre nous.
18:20J'ai vu ma femme et ma fille dans la procession.
18:23Hé, c'est moi !
18:31Où vas-tu ?
18:33Wait !
18:38Don't leave without me !
18:41No !
18:43Don't go !
18:45Please !
18:46Don't go !
18:48And you are in Death Stranding 2 ?
18:50I am Heart Man,
18:52and Heart Man is forever in Death Stranding.
19:00I think that you don't believe everything you read on the internet.
19:03Ok.
19:04Can you tease us something ?
19:05Well, believe everything you read on the internet.
19:07Oh, OK.
19:08Oh, OK.
19:09Oh, OK.
19:17We are going to see a great film.