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00:00All right. Hope you're doing well, everybody. It is Stefan Molyneux from Free Domain, just
00:05trying a little new recording setup and happy to chat with you all about whatever is on
00:08your mind, as always. The topic is philosophy. Philosophy being the infinite atomic theory
00:16of everything, all-encompassing discipline of truth, reason, evidence, and the humane
00:22way. So, good morning, good morning, good morning. And I don't know what's being picked
00:28up in terms of audio. I guess we'll find out. There's no settings. There's no settings to
00:33say, ooh, use this audio or use that audio. So, hopefully, it's using the good mic, and
00:37we shall find out, of course, as time goes along. As always, I'm thrilled to hear from you, my
00:43friends, and it is your show. It is your topic. It is whatever is on your mind. And just wanted
00:52to point out that there is very bad data floating around, my friends, some very bad data. So,
01:01people are saying 90% of the women are going for the top 10% of men. Yet, according to research
01:06that I've looked up, 70% of teenagers, males, report having sexual activity by the end of
01:16their teens. That's 70%. That's not 10%. Don't take the online thing too seriously. Don't take
01:22online data too seriously. It's mostly nonsense with a few bouts of useful stuff here and there,
01:29but mostly nonsense. For women in particular, dating apps are like a wish list. And it's important
01:36to remember, of course, nobody gets everything they want in the dating scenario. Nobody. Nobody gets
01:42everything they want. Nobody gets everything they want in life. I mean, the king gets to order people
01:47around, but then he ends up isolated and lonely. If you go to negotiate for a job, you want a whole
01:54bunch of money. Other people want to pay you less money. Even in the dating market, if you sort of
02:00look at the way we evolved, I mean, 10s tend to get with 10s. Does that mean the 10s are happy? Nope.
02:05Because if you're some super Gaston built like a Viper truck kind of guy, you just want to sleep
02:13around, but then you've got to be monogamous because that's the only way you can really get
02:15sex and sort of our evolution marriage and so on, right? The woman who's a 10 always thinks she can
02:20do better. The 10 wants the 10, maybe thinks he can get a little bit above because 10 is 10%,
02:26right? So instead of a 91, he thinks he can get a 97. But if he goes and aims too high,
02:31then the 10 gets snagged up by a 9 and then the 10 has to go for a 9. So there's always this
02:37tension in the dating market. You want the maximum you can get, but not so much that you can't get
02:42anything. This is life. I want the maximum philosophy that I can do, but not so much that I get burned at
02:49the stake. Nobody gets everything they want. And sort of the sooner that you grind that into your bones,
02:57I think the better off that you'll be. So you're not going to get everything you want. You know,
03:02when I, my wife and I love each other very much, we married 23 years. And when she met,
03:08I was unemployed. When we met, I was unemployed. I was taking time off to work on writing novels.
03:12I wrote The God of Atheists. I wrote almost over the period of a year and a half and almost as a
03:18historical novel required crazy amounts of research. This is sort of back before the internet
03:23was really useful for that kind of stuff. So would she rather have,
03:27had me employed when she met me? Yeah, of course. But we don't, we don't,
03:32we don't get everything that we want in life. And refusing to settle is a fool's game.
03:40I tell everyone, settle. Do you live in the mansion of your dreams? I don't know if the
03:45mansion of your dreams is some Bill Gates, $40 million Uber mansion of the gods. I don't know.
03:50But then it's a lot to maintain. It's a lot of work. Property taxes are insane. Like,
03:54I don't know. What is, what is, what is perfect? What is perfect? Do I ever do a perfect show? No,
03:59I have to settle for the most inspiration that I can have at the moment. Most songs that people
04:04write don't go anywhere. You know, there's like five greatest songs in the history of music.
04:09You have to settle for what it is that you can produce. Nobody gets everything they want.
04:13Elon Musk complains about these as, you know, people look at my money and they think they want
04:16my life. They probably don't. Because all I do is work, sleep on the factory floor. All I do is work
04:21and make baby mamas. That's his two, his three, three or four big manufacturing things. The boring
04:26company, I guess, SpaceX and Starlink and baby mamas. That's his conveyor belt. So just recognize
04:37when women are on dating apps, it's just a wish list. 70% of young men are having sex. And I think
04:46that's intercourse. So if you count non-intercourse, like oral or whatever it is, then that's a whole
04:50different matter. It's probably closer to 80, 85%, whatever it is, right? It's not a drought out
04:56there. Don't, don't listen to the people who tell you it's hopeless. Oh, but three, 97% of women will
05:01only have sex with, if they're willing to share a man, they just want the chance. Don't listen to
05:05the outliers. There's a great bulge. Get it? There's a great bulge in the middle. But to the girdle
05:11to the gods inherit below is all the fiends. So don't listen to the outliers. Don't listen to the
05:18extremes. Yes, there are some uber chads who sleep around. Yes, there are some guys who are
05:25too awkward and funny looking to get anyone or anything. And those are the outliers. Just aim
05:31for that bulge in the middle. And don't be talked out of love, family, procreation, happiness,
05:39or any of that stuff. You know, there are a lot of people out there in this world
05:43who have failed and want to vindictively spread their failure to others, right? We recognize
05:51this. There's an old saying, single women keep women single. So we recognize this in female
05:57nature. It's in male nature as well. I failed. Therefore, I'm going to conduct elaborate
06:02justifications as to why my failure wasn't my fault. That's the big draw of ideology, man.
06:08The big draw of ideology, right? I failed. I now need to create massive justifications
06:15as to why my failure wasn't my fault, man. It wasn't me. It's the system. It's the race. It's
06:22the class. It's the capitalists. It's the ownership of the means of production. It's women. It's the
06:27media. It's schools. These are all factors. But you'd be really surprised at how little stops you
06:36when you give up things for which there are reasonable excuses. I did not stay in the art
06:47world because books are relentless socialists slash communists slash walksters. They did their
06:56long march through the institutions. So if I say, well, gee, very strongly, anti-socialist. And
07:03you know, it ain't 1957 when you could squeeze out Atlas Shrugged after a massive battle after a
07:09previously successful novel, The Fountainhead and a minorly successful novel, We the Living.
07:14So we always want to stay away from those who
07:21are going to work. And then what they do is they'll say, well, once we achieve this impossible
07:28thing, then you can succeed. Once we get the government out of human relationships, then we
07:34can succeed. Once the marriage contract no longer involves a state, once blah, blah, once we do this,
07:40once we do that, once we get rid of the welfare state, then it's not going to happen. We have to
07:44play the cards we're dealt. I mean, you can leave the game, which is, of course, what a lot of people
07:49are doing, but it's not necessary. And people are saying, Steph, you're old, you're out of touch.
07:54I get that. I mean, I obviously was thinking about, and I've talked about this before, creating a
07:58dating profile and seeing what I could do, but I don't want to, obviously don't want to can't fish
08:02anyone, right? But I know a lot of young people, friends. And there's not this law that says when
08:09you start pushing 60, you can't talk to anyone under 50. There's no law about that. I've got friends
08:15with kids in their teens, friends with kids in their 20s. And what is being portrayed online? You go to jail
08:23for asking a woman out. No, you don't. Can you find some bizarre outlier? Sure, you can. Sure, you
08:30can. People win the lottery, but it's not a good plan for your life. Can you find weird outliers?
08:37Sure. And prior to the internet, they would remain weird outliers that you'd never hear about. But
08:44because of the internet, it goes to be amplified. And our statistical brain hasn't caught up to the
08:49internet yet, right? So when we see this kind of stuff, oh, it's amplified, it's repeated.
08:52Oh my God, it must be super common. But the number of times I've seen these stories that just,
08:58you know, a guy went to jail for asking a woman out and you start to dig into it. And it's not the
09:02case. It's not the case. Yeah, women are jumpy. I mean, listen, guys, talk to women, ask them about
09:12any potential stalker stories. It's not just Jodie Foster. It happens. So yeah, women are a little
09:19nervous. Women are a little jumpy. Women still also want to date men. The majority of them want to get
09:23married, have kids. All right, enough of me, but enough of my yapping. Sage is a great name. It is
09:33an elder priest of wisdom. What's on your mind? You will need to unmute. I'm all ears.
09:39Hello, I'm not so much an elder, but I do like to speak words of wisdom when I can.
09:44Well, now's the time. I don't have too much. I'm more looking for wisdom from you. Around two days
09:51ago, I, me and my girlfriend split up over three years and we've been living each other for those
10:00entire three years. Sorry, did you say you've been loving each other? Oh, living with each other.
10:06Living with each other. Sorry about that. Go ahead. Plenty of love within those three years,
10:10but two of us weren't making each other happy enough. So we split up and I've been
10:17mostly focused on trying to adopt a egoist mindset after reading Objectivism when I was
10:2518, 19. But I find that introspection hasn't been helping me and I feel like I'm not finding the
10:33right questions to ask or the right things to do. And you would say that you and your girlfriend
10:39loved each other, right? Yeah, we had a pretty good relationship up until the end.
10:45So you loved each other? Yeah. Okay. So what, what, can we give her a name that's not her name?
10:52Sure, you can call her Naomi. Naomi. Okay, that's a nice name. All right. So what did you love
10:58about Naomi? She had an amazing humor. She was smart in her own different ways and not so smart in
11:08others. Very beautiful. She had a personality that I want to see throughout the end, really. It was,
11:16it was someone I wanted to marry. Okay. So she was funny. She was smart and not smart. And what else?
11:25She was, she was, she was, she was pretty. She was beautiful, right? Physically beautiful.
11:32She was, I wouldn't say she's an intellectual, but she was smart in her own fields.
11:37Okay. So she was beautiful, funny, and well, nobody can be smart at everything. So she was
11:43beautiful. She was funny and she was smart, right? Yeah. Okay. So what about her moral virtues?
11:50I don't think she really thought about that herself. I tried to, I'm not asking, I'm not
11:57asking what she thought about because she's not here. Moral virtues. What moral virtues
12:02did you see in Naomi? Well, there were some red flags at the beginning. She never really
12:09wanted children. She, she was iffy on getting married, but around two years in, she was looking
12:16more forward to her, more virtues. I don't quite know. Because everything you're describing
12:24is kind of hedonistic. I'm not calling you a hedonist, but everything you did. Okay. She's,
12:29she's pretty to look at. Okay. That's nice. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's kind
12:32of hedonistic. She, she made me laugh. Well, that's laughter is a pleasure and that's kind
12:36of hedonistic. And again, it's not that making people laugh is bad. It's, you know, it's just
12:40not really a moral virtue. There's lots of completely screwed up comedians, right? Louis
12:44CK, et cetera, et cetera, Lenny Bruce. So that's not, you know, she's smart. Okay. I mean, I guess
12:51that's nice. If it's smart in her field, it doesn't really impact you. But all of these things that
12:56you're talking about are things that give pleasure to you. And again, there's nothing wrong with,
13:00of course, partners are supposed to give pleasure to each other, but it's all about hedonism. It doesn't
13:05sound like it doesn't sound like you admired her morally. Now, do you want to have kids in the
13:11future? Yeah. Well, of course it's in the future. I'm not talking about right now, your arm and copy
13:18paste. Okay. So you want to have kids and she didn't want to have kids. Yeah. I think she was
13:25more terrified of pregnancy rather than the actual children. She's sorry. She was more terrified of
13:31what? Pregnancy. Okay. Well, whatever. I mean, she, you wanted to have kids and she didn't want
13:37to have kids. Sure. Yeah. So don't, don't, don't agree with me. Like I'm telling you something.
13:42That's what I got from what you said. Just confirm. If I got something wrong, let me know.
13:46I mean, like it's, we, we sort of agreed maybe in the future, it would be a possibility to get
13:52surrogacy or, or, or adoption was on the question, but I wasn't interested in that.
13:58I don't really know. She didn't want to have children. Just don't, let's not complicate
14:01things, man. She didn't want to have kids. You want to have kids, your own kids, not surrogacy,
14:06not adoption, right? Fair enough. Yeah. Well, is that, is that true? Well, she never really
14:11outright said that, but I would assume that like that's, that's the case. Like I don't, I never
14:16thought she would. Sorry, but you had, hang on. My God, man, what's all this fog? I don't understand.
14:22Well, it's like conversation about having kids. She said she didn't want to get pregnant,
14:25but she might be open to surrogacy or adoption, right? Yeah. But it's, it's, there's never
14:30been like an area of full confidence in this. It's always been like a, oh, I don't know about
14:34this. And I don't know about that. It's like, I can't really walk away with a certain answer.
14:38Okay. So if you want to have kids and she doesn't want to have kids, how old are you?
14:43I'm 22. 22. So she doesn't want to have kids and you, she doesn't want to have kids. You want
14:47to have kids. Then why be together?
14:51Well, that's the hedonism, right? She was fun. She was pretty. She made you laugh.
14:56I don't know if, I guess it could be viewed as hedonist. And I couldn't really, like I
15:02was, I was never fully in for it or any like sexual desire. I guess you could say emotional
15:08pleasure. So you weren't in it. You're a young man and you weren't in a relationship with a
15:14beautiful woman for anything to do with sexual desire.
15:17Sure. Not anything. Of course, it's a bonus. But by the time we met, I was a bundle of
15:23troubles. I didn't have much of a high libido. I was mostly looking for emotional fulfillment.
15:29What do you mean by a bundle of troubles?
15:32When I was in the 18 or 19, I had huge insomniatic problems and the NHS had prescribed me a bucket
15:44load of antidepressants and sleeping pills, which nine of them really worked. So I was
15:49in a chaotic period for a long time. And that's, that's when I tried to get into philosophy and
15:56try to sort my life out. And well, she was really the first person that I got with when I
16:02got my shit together.
16:04Okay. Well, I'm sorry to hear about that. That's very tough. And I want to express my deep,
16:09deep sympathies for that. So why do you think that Naomi got together with you if when you
16:14first met her, you were a mess?
16:16I guess you could say I was being a bit deceptive. I wasn't really showing my emotion to much
16:22people, but she was in a bit of a emotional trouble when I met her. I guess I was her
16:30Superman. She, I think she recently got caught smoking dope and her parents wanted to crucify
16:38her. So I was just there to like help her out and give her a place to stay.
16:44Sorry. So when you say recently, you mean back when you met?
16:49I'm sorry. Yeah.
16:50Sorry. I mean, that's getting a bit of time dilation here.
16:53When I was in bed.
16:54Okay. So what you're saying is that her parents were kicking her out for smoking dope and she
16:58needed a place to stay?
17:00It was rather, she didn't want to go back home and she, she wanted a place to stay.
17:04Huh? Okay. And what was it that caused the relationship to end?
17:09Well, I think it was a, over the past year, there was just less and less emotion or, or,
17:17or sex with each other. And just a week ago, she spent a trip with all of her friends in
17:25Madeira and she realized that she's much happier around her friends and she's at home with me.
17:31So she decided to split things up again. I'm, I'm really sorry to hear that. That's a, how,
17:38how is your heart? My friend, how is your soul?
17:41It's, you know, it's coping. It's a, it's a three year relationship gone. I can, all I can really
17:46do is cope with it, but I know for the longterm, it's going to be better for me. So that, that,
17:53that tidbit is, is helping me out a lot.
17:55Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm very sorry for this because it's a three years of, uh, I mean,
18:01it's not wasted time exactly, but it's not what you wanted. I assume that you guys wanted to stay
18:06together. So, I mean, nobody really gets into a marriage, hoping to get divorced and nobody really
18:10gets into a relationship, hoping to break up. So, but, and what I would suggest going forward,
18:14just a minor suggestion, but it can have major impacts is really look for the moral virtues,
18:19honesty, integrity, courage. If you find people who are morally
18:26our emotional response to love, sorry, virtue, sorry, love is our emotional response to virtue and it's
18:49that you can trust the person is going to be there. They have integrity, they have commitment.
18:56Well, that's the only chance for genuine, sustainable love is to
19:03inspires me. And hopefully, of course, you will also have virtues that inspire her. And that is the
19:23best way, basis of dating is the best way to choose a mother for your children. So my sympathies,
19:32so I'm going to move on to the next caller, but I wish you the very best.
19:35Do you have any literature, do you have any literary works I could read on my time off?
19:40Sure, freedomain.com slash books.
19:43A bit more specific to what case if you have any. I've already read that.
19:48Yeah, freedomain.com slash books. The God of Atheists is a good one for relationships.
19:54And I would say also the present, my novel, The Present, will also help with relationships. So I wish
20:00you the very best. Hope we can chat again. And thanks for the call.
20:03Thank you very much.
20:05All right. From a tale of drug use, we now move to the high council. If you want to unmute, I'm on it.
20:12Stefan, how's it going? Listen, you know, a lot of this philosophy, like trying to get men to
20:22get together with women is all good. And I'm all for it. I'm 26 years old. I've dated one girl,
20:30in my life, and it didn't work out. But I wanted to ask you a question about, you know, sort of the
20:38war that's going on, you know, there's sort of a war going on. And it is for the soul. And
20:45bio-digital convergence, you know, is really a big part of it. And vaccinations, okay, I'm starting to
20:55get my nerves down a little bit. I get a little nervous when I'm talking to a bunch of people.
20:59Yeah, it's fine. And listen, I understand. I understand. And I sympathize. One of the things
21:04that can be really helpful, I do this before I get speeches, just jot down, you know, you've got
21:0810 minutes to wait, just jot down your major points. And then you won't have to sort of freeball it when
21:14you get the mic.
21:15Right. My major point is that, you know, we have to address the underlying issue, which I think,
21:22you know, is like childhood vaccine schedules and stuff like that. Because I think a lot of
21:28the problems with people have trying to get into relationships today is like a certain level of
21:33distrust or, you know, some psychological damage. Obviously, autism is a big part of it. But I think,
21:39you know, what the medical system has done since 1989 has really damaged a lot of people
21:47in ways that, you know, they just don't understand how to recover from or like, you know, think,
21:52you know, to your point, feel hopeless about it. So I was just wondering if you are aware of that
21:58stuff. Do you know of an attorney named Todd Callender, who has sued the Department of Defense for,
22:05you know, all the COVID stuff? Obviously, my, my major point is, we're in like a giant, we're in a war,
22:12basically. And there, you know, I, I just want your perspective on it, you know, because I know,
22:19we try to get, bro, bro, I mean, you got to ask me a question that that, I mean, we've covered like
22:24five different topics, right? Right. So you're gonna have to boil it down a little for my aging brain.
22:30Okay. Well, what do you say to the people who are autistic, who are damaged by vaccines,
22:39who can't, you know, it's hard for them to connect with people?
22:44I'm not sure what you mean by what would I say to them? I'm not sure what you mean. Can you be a bit
22:48more specific?
22:49What advice could you give to someone who's damaged?
22:52Again, that's, you actually went less specific, not more specific. You asked, what would I say to
23:00people who have autism? And I say, can you be more specific? And you said, well, what would you say to
23:03people who are damaged, which is just about everyone. So again, I'm going to need things
23:08to be a bit more precise and specific, because I want to add value, right? And if you go to a
23:13restaurant, and you say, bring me something that a human being could potentially digest,
23:18when you're probably not going to get the meal you want, right? You got to be a bit more specific
23:20about what you want.
23:22Well, I guess, I don't know what I want. I want, I just want justice, man. I don't know. I just,
23:28I think, I think we're, I'm just angry. I'm angry.
23:33No, listen, I get, I get that. And I, I, I'm not going to try and talk you out of any of that.
23:37But if you say, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. If you say, my happiness depends on powerful
23:47evildoers being brought to justice, will you ever be happy?
23:52No.
23:53No, that's the way of the world. I mean, that's the way of the world. At least at the moment,
23:59right? We can hope that in some generations, we will have a better world. And there's things
24:03that we can do around love and having children and raising them well, that is going to definitely
24:08add to that. But look, ideas are a lot about, and I'm not saying this is good. I'm not saying
24:17this is right. I'm just saying it is. Would you ever buy a diet book from a fat guy? With a fat guy
24:23on the cover, like a fat author?
24:26Obviously not.
24:27Right. So if you want people to listen to your ideas, then you have to have some level of success
24:36first, right? I mean, if I was talking like Tom Likas, right? If I was talking about
24:42relationships, and I'd been divorced three times, would you listen to me?
24:48Well, I think, why not? Because you have experience.
24:52Well, I wouldn't listen to someone like that, because all they would have is failure. Now,
24:58they might say to me, like, you know, the guy who's dying of lung cancer might say to you,
25:02don't smoke. And that doesn't mean that he's wrong for that, right? I mean, I tell people,
25:07you know, maybe looking to get hitched up a little younger, and I didn't do it till my 30s,
25:12but that's because I was missing this kind of wisdom. So if you want people to listen to you,
25:17first of all, you have to have some level of success yourself. Like I go, there's this ridiculous
25:24back and forth on X, where somebody today said to me about a tweet, you could have cut out the first
25:30three sentences. And I went and this guy has like, I don't know, 150 followers or whatever it was,
25:3547 followers, right? Now, I'm not trying to shame the guy. But if you're going to tell me
25:41how to write tweets, then I'm going to expect that you have some level of success.
25:46Or at least say, listen, I know I only have this many followers, but here's what I think you could
25:50do to improve, at least address it. But I don't go to Leonardo DiCaprio and say, hey, man,
25:55here's how to pick up young models, right? When Marlon Brando was alive, I wouldn't go and give
26:01him acting advice, even though I've had some acting training myself. There's a certain amount of I don't
26:06go to grandmasters in chess and tell them how to play chess. I respect expertise. And if you're going
26:14to say to someone, you need to listen to my ideas, then you can't be miserable. Sorry, is that music
26:21playing in the background there? No, that's just a leaf blower.
26:26Oh, okay. So, okay, that's fine. No, that's fine. So, so listen, listen, hang on, hang on. I'm not
26:33done. I'm not done. I'm just going to interrupt you by the leaf blower thing. Do you think you sound
26:37happy? No, I definitely have a level of anger in me, but I want, I want, I don't know, I guess I want
26:43people to fight the right fight, you know? And I think you got to look into Todd Callender. Everyone in here
26:48has to look into Todd Callender. Truth be told, Vax Joyce, we have to, we have to overturn this,
26:55we have to friggin' overturn this system. You got to fight the right fight. Listen.
26:58Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm just trying to make a point.
27:01Hang on, hang on, hang on. Okay.
27:03What do you think the odds are? How old are you?
27:0726.
27:0826, all right. So, you kind of got to get dating and married in the next five to ten years maximum,
27:14right?
27:15Right.
27:15If that's what you want, right? Okay. What do you think the odds are that the system is
27:21going to be overturned in the next five to ten years?
27:25Hmm. The odds? I don't know. Overturned by whom, exactly?
27:31No, no. You said we've got to overturn the system, right? Okay, so I'm just asking you,
27:37right? This is my business mind, right? People say to me, I have a plan. Okay, well, what are
27:42the odds of that plan succeeding, right? So, what would you place the odds at the system
27:48being overturned, whatever that means, in the next five to ten years?
27:53100%.
27:54It's 100%.
27:55100%.
27:57Go on.
27:59Well, I mean, if you take a look at all the AI stuff, the digital currency, the social credit
28:07system stuff, I mean, is that not a system being overturned? Is that not, you know, what
28:13we previously had in place being overturned, I think, you know, I think that's totally happening,
28:20you know, that there's people talking, you know, there's fucking bankers talking about
28:24this stuff, you know, Larry?
28:25Okay, so I'm just going to take you at face value that the system that you object to so
28:29much is going to 100% be overturned in the next five to ten years because of AI and stuff
28:33like that, right?
28:35Yeah.
28:35So then you don't need to do anything. You can just focus on finding a good woman, settling
28:40down, getting married, having some kids. That's 100%, right?
28:43I'm with you 100%, but this is about all of us. This is about humanity.
28:49No, don't give me this abstract nonsense, man. This is about all of us. Nobody even knows
28:53what that means. So then if you 100% believe that the system is 100% going to be changed
29:01or overturned erratically over the next sort of five to ten years.
29:03Okay, let's say 99%.
29:04No, no, no.
29:05100% being if we actually, you know, get up off our ass and like start talking about
29:10these things and telling people and, you know, get to the bottom of, you know, get to the
29:14core of the rot. There was a rotting core that's going to kill us all. It's like the
29:19snake eating its own tail, okay?
29:20Okay, you are full of useless analogies. Get to the root of the rot. It's like, if you
29:26can't try, you know, you're like somebody in the business world, and I've met people in
29:31the business world who are just like, you know, we've got to capture, you know, 16%
29:35of the widget market in China. And it's like, sure, okay, but how? What's your practical
29:40plan? How is it measurable? Because what you're doing is you're calling in and you're talking
29:44about things that you want to change.
29:46I'm calling in, I'm talking about what we need to do and where we need to go.
29:51You haven't said, no, you've, you've just, you've just got a wish. You've got a, no,
29:54you've got a wish list. You've got a wish list of abstract change with no particular
29:58details or a plan.
30:00Hey, some people are going to come out of this more informed.
30:03Okay, I think so. So my suggestion is if something has a 99% chance of happening
30:09without your input, then you should focus on getting married, having kids, because then
30:16you're going to have a very big effect on obviously a smaller number of people, but you're going
30:22to have a very big effect on the, let's say you have three kids, whatever, you're going
30:25to have a big effect on those kids. Those kids are going to grow up and have three kids
30:29each of their own. And you start, you know, you're continuing the whole legacy dynasty
30:32thing. And given that it's 99% likely that you're going to, that the system's going to
30:38change on its own, then why didn't you call me up and say, what's the best way I can
30:42find a good woman rather than windbagging on about all of this abstract stuff?
30:46Well, I guess my plan in getting in here was to just get people to start looking at other
30:53directions and, you know, at other sort of, you know, you have to, you have to fucking
30:58be informed, you know, you have to be informed about these things, man. I'm sorry. I just,
31:03I'm flustered, but you're flustered because you don't have a plan. You have a, I want to share
31:11some stuff and I'm angry at the world. And listen, I'm not, look, there's annoying stuff
31:15in the world. Absolutely. But do you think you're putting yourself forward as an inspiring
31:22leader or do you just sound kind of pissed off, frustrated, and annoyed?
31:27I definitely sound pissed off, frustrated, and annoyed. I need to sound more inspiring for sure.
31:33Well, I have a plan. I want to change the world and the way that we change it is through
31:37parenting. I have a plan and I've got the data. I've got the facts. I've got the research. I've
31:41interviewed the experts. I have a plan. I have a practical plan. You have an unactionable wish
31:47list. And I say this because I want you to be happy. And right now you're 26 years old
31:52and you're not married. You have no plan for kids. You're just talking about websites and vaccines
32:00and autism. You know, I sympathize and I understand, but I'm giving you something actionable, something
32:07that you can do. And I think your frustration is that you have a goal, which is changing the system,
32:14but you have no practical plan other than be annoyed and tell people about websites.
32:19You got me.
32:22I'm doing this because I care. I want you to be happy. I really do. I want you to be happy
32:27and you need to have an actionable plan. Thank you. Thank you very much.
32:31You are very welcome. And listen, I wish you the best. You're welcome back anytime
32:34and just make a plan to fall in love. And through falling in love, you'll get the kind of support
32:39and enthusiasm and happiness that you need to be a much more effective leader. But if you're a sort
32:44of pissed off voice in the wilderness, it's really tough to get people to listen. And there's
32:48this funny thing that's going on because I've been away from X for like half a decade. That's funny
32:52thing going on where people think they don't actually have to have credibility
32:55in order to make arguments. It's like, well, you should judge me just by the merit of my
33:00arguments. And it's like, no, I don't. I don't. I, if you're holding, if you're holding the tennis
33:07racket the wrong way, I don't need to see you play. I'm not talking about you. I'm just talking
33:11about other people on X, right? So yeah, you, you have to build up credibility, but people would
33:15much rather talk about what they want or what other people should do rather than do the tough work
33:20of building up credibility themselves. All right. We are one L short of an ally, Ailey. I hear
33:27movement. Hi, can you hear me? Yes. Yes. Go ahead. Hi, Stefan. I just found you recently, which blows
33:35my mind because I'm, so I have to listen to all your stuff and I'm super excited that you're doing
33:40these lives. Cause I have a really great, well, important to me question to ask you. I have two
33:47daughters, 16 and 14 and a 24 year old son. And I grew up brainwashed by the liberal Democrat cult,
33:57basically like a lot of people, maybe almost everyone. Oh yeah. I'm with you there. I was just
34:04same, same. Go ahead. Yeah. So by the grace of God, I didn't have an abortion with my son who I had
34:11young. And so I'm able to use that as a reference point, teaching my children. And I've since become
34:17a Christian and that's been wonderful, but I guess my question, you prioritize family ahead of career.
34:24I know they need to get married, you know,
34:34since you have a daughter about the same age, I'm just wondering, you know, how do you balance
34:43wanting, you know, you want to somewhat encourage them in their talent.
34:53Of course I say, you know, just make it something flexible. You can work around your family, but you
34:58don't completely want. So how do you, how do you balance that out? And how do you guide
35:06and all that? Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I, obviously I don't want to be, I'd like to have some good
35:22years as a granddad. And if she, you know, gets,
35:28in general, I think that the approach is,
35:33you know, you put yourself out there and you meet people and you talk to people as a man or a woman,
35:39but until you meet that right person, it's sort of out of your hands, right? Now, of course,
35:44when you start to meet that right person or you think you might've met that right person,
35:46then you've got to, you know, work to, to make it work and all of that. So I think, you know,
35:51being out there in the world, whether it's in the business sense or at college or whatever,
35:55is totally fine, but you need to be looking for quality people. It's not just there for fun and
36:00hedonism and, and drinking and, and all of that. Not that my daughter wants to do any of that sort
36:04of stuff, but I'm just talking in more general terms. But to say that you have to be receptive
36:11to a virtuous man for your daughters and a virtuous woman for your son, you have to be receptive. You
36:18have to be virtuous yourself. The readiness is all you have to be ready because you never know when
36:23that perfect person is going to come into your life. For me, it just happened to be because
36:28a friend of mine was joining a volleyball league and I like volleyball. And that's how I met my wife.
36:34And because, you know, she's not very tall, so I'm glad it wasn't basketball.
36:38So you have, but, but I, I'd already gone to therapy. I'd really worked on philosophy. I
36:42worked in my virtues and integrity. And so when she came into my life, I was ready. If she'd come into
36:49my life when I was younger, I don't think I would have been ready. I don't think I would have been as
36:52prepared. So the preparation is everything. You still have to live while you're waiting for the
36:59right person and not just waiting, but talking to people and trying to find the right person.
37:03You still have to have some kind of life. And, you know, maybe that's a bit of college if you can
37:08find someplace that's not super woke. Maybe that's working or maybe that's trying your hand at something
37:14entrepreneurial. All of those things are great and fun. And working on your virtues, working on your
37:21integrity, working in your honesty and directness is going to pay off dividends in business. It's
37:25going to pay off dividends. Well, probably not at a work school, but maybe at other schools.
37:29And certainly when you meet that person who could just be right for you, you really want to be ready
37:33with your virtues. So if you tell your kids to keep working on the virtues, keep being out there and
37:40meeting people, then they will be ready when that right person comes along. Now you can't just sit
37:46with them and say, well, you've got to be on hold. We're going to cryogenically freeze you until the
37:50right person comes along. They're not going to work out because they've got to have a life, right? So
37:53I know that's a little bit abstract, but all we can do is work on our virtues. Like I can't control
38:00how people respond to me. I can't control the autism schedule, sorry, the vaccine schedule.
38:07I can't control whether people take boosters. All I can control is the honesty and directness that I
38:12have in my communication and hopefully have built up some credibility with a fairly decent life of
38:18good virtue. I can't control anything outside of that. So saying, well, you have to get married
38:24young. It's like, well, no, you have to work on your virtues and you have to be out there in the
38:28world so people can meet you outside of that. It's a little bit beyond your hands. So focus really on
38:33the things that you can do the most to control and be ready for the right circumstance. Like I was
38:37into computer programming for like 15 years. I started programming when I was like 11 years old
38:43and I was into computers for, I don't know, like, sorry, 13 or 14 years. And then an opportunity came
38:50along to co-found a software company and I just was ready then. And I wouldn't have been ready if I
38:56hadn't done all of that work ahead of time. And I, you know, went to theater school, learned how to
39:01public speak. I studied philosophy and the economics and history for 20 years before I picked up a
39:10microphone in my car and started yelling at invisible people while I was in traffic. So if you
39:18prepare your virtues, if you prepare your knowledge, if you prepare your integrity, you'll be ready for
39:23just about anything that happens. And that's the work that I suggest parents tell their children to
39:27focus on rather than giving them specific goals that require somebody else's participation.
39:32You know, you need to get married. Well, yeah, if you find the right person, but the best way to find
39:35the right person is to be ready for the right person and be out in the world. Does that make sense?
39:40Yeah. It sounds like what you're saying is that what I should focus on for them is just maybe modeling
39:47virtues that I want them to also have and encouraging them in their virtues so that no matter what happens in
39:56their life. Because you're right, you can't really control what your kids do anyways. And that's
40:02a fool's errand.
40:04No, and they can't control when love might wander into their life.
40:07Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:09But they can control whether they'll be ready for it with the right virtues and morals.
40:13Right. No, that makes really good sense. And yeah, that's super helpful because I've been thinking
40:20about this a lot, a lot lately. And I would say it's even harder for my son. You know, he lives in
40:27California and God help him with the dating out there. It's well, I mean, you might want to follow
40:35Mike Cernovich because he talks about this from time to time because he lives in California and
40:40everyone says, oh, how can you live in California? It's so leftist. And he's like, not all of it.
40:45No, not all of it. There's lots of pockets of more conservative and non left-leaning people in
40:53California. So, I mean, as you know, California is not one big giant blob of semi-socialism,
40:57but there are lots of pockets where there are much more reasonable people. And I'm sure that
41:01your son can find some location where that's happening.
41:05Yeah, definitely. No. Yeah. Thanks for your advice. That's wonderful. I'm definitely going to
41:09marinate on that. I appreciate it. And I love listening to your lives. So thanks again.
41:15Thanks. I really appreciate that. So excellent question. All right, let's see. One more
41:19barcode going once, going twice. Are we going to have an agnominious end of dead air to the show?
41:27Wait, all right. No. Barcode, barcode. What else though? Hey, or if so, I'll do a run, man. What are we
41:35doing? What's going on today? I just kind of jumped in. Do you have a question or a comment? A criticism?
41:41I'm glad you're here. You know, I saw a lot of the long form videos on YouTube before they
41:46tried to sharpen everybody's brain into a fucking focus coma with the shorts, you know,
41:51like 15 seconds, five seconds, you know, before I just handle everybody's brains, you know what I
41:56mean? Right, right.
41:57So anyways, it was just, it was, this is weird. You know, I'm in X and scrolling around in a
42:01brain drip dopamine land. And then I was able to stop here for a minute. I actually sat here for
42:07a minute, you know, sit and scroll forever. Well, I appreciate that. And welcome to the
42:12conversation. I, you know, absorb, absorb, and I'm happy to hear your comments as you slurp up more
42:17tasty syllables of potential wisdom. We'll try to comprehend what I can. You know what I mean? It's a,
42:22it's like a word salad gets thrown at you digitally through somebody else's kaleidoscope and
42:27you know, you're, you end up shredding the lettuce. I don't know if that makes any sense.
42:30You know, it's, that's, that's where NPC and somebody thinking their own thoughts comes from
42:35is trying to figure it out.
42:36All right. Well, I appreciate that. I'm going to move to another caller. Thank you for your
42:40follow. And thank you for your interest in philosophy.
42:43Okay.
42:44Could be a, could be a troll. Could be a troll.
42:46Hi, Stan.
42:47Nah.
42:48Hang on. We got Stefani Molly meme.
42:51He's on the line.
42:53Oh, I'm sorry. Did I get skipped?
42:55Oh, it's a fact. Oh, yeah.
42:56I called on you a couple of minutes ago.
42:57No, that was a fact of speaking. I was barcode. I was just waiting my turn.
43:01Oh, barcode. Sorry about that. Yeah. Okay. Did you not hear when I was?
43:05No, I did. He just started speaking. So I waited for him to finish. Sorry about that.
43:08All right. I'm all ears, man. What's on your mind?
43:10So I have a conundrum. I'm listening to all this talk about dating and marriage and definitely
43:16marry early is generally a good idea. I made the mistake of, you know, not living as morally
43:23as I should have in my twenties. I'm now early thirties, approaching mid thirties. I spent about
43:30probably four years with one woman and I caught her cheating, like emotionally. So we broke up.
43:37Then I dated another woman for two years and she, we just had incompatible worldviews. You know,
43:43she was a Protestant, I'm Catholic. I was trying to return to that kind of faith. And she, we just
43:50had incompatibility because she came out full-blown, full-blown feminist, didn't want to, you know,
43:57get married, have kids, live the traditional lifestyle.
43:59So, so, you know, sorry, that happened over the course of your relationship.
44:03Yeah. Yeah. Like when we first met, you know, we seemed to have the same goals in mind and then
44:09sort of, so you seemed to, or you did, we did like, we had these conversations early on and then COVID
44:15happened and something, it was just political incompatibility. And suddenly she started seeing
44:20men as the enemy. And then we just kind of split and diverged from there now.
44:25Because of COVID, she started seeing men as the enemy.
44:27I think, I mean, part of it, it was, it's just like the social media. It seemed like,
44:32you know, we, we went in different circles. It sort of came on quite rapidly, like over
44:38six to 12 months period. You could just see like her feed. If you would, if I would watch TikTok
44:44with her, a lot of it was just anti-man and like pro-women. And, you know, I have to be very
44:50careful to curate my own feeds such that I don't get sucked into these MGTOW stuff and
44:56all the negativity and the constant battle between the sexes. But she just kind of like,
45:02yeah. So, I mean, the, the present state I'm at now is, um, I've been seeing this girl for
45:07on and off for three years. She's non-political, which makes
45:12like, we've had serious relationship troubles. We stopped talking for a couple months. Then
45:20we got back together. I'm at an age now in my early mid thirties where it's for something
45:30that's, that's going to probably be more stable.
45:35One or two.
45:37I, I don't know.
45:42Talking for a couple of months.
45:46Sorry. Yeah. All right. So the top two problems are my family and friends despise her and
45:50Union in England. And then she also
46:08this man.
46:12And how did she ruin the wedding?
46:14So this brings me to like her second, the second biggest problem is I think she
46:19genuinely has bipolar disorder and maybe.
46:23Okay. So why, why are you with her?
46:25Because in the moments where she's not ruining weddings or freaking out from social anxiety,
46:31she's quite lovely. She's smart. She's funny. We get along. She's beautiful.
46:37Okay.
46:37You know, and especially in like,
46:38She's hot. She's hot.
46:40Yes. And also, you know, in private, like,
46:42She's generally nice.
46:44Okay. You're not a kid. I'm going to be hot.
46:46I'm going to be hot.
46:47You're not a kid.
46:48What is dating for marriage?
46:53What is marriage for children?
46:56Will she be a great mother?
47:00Maybe.
47:01Oh, come on, man. You're telling me everything I need to know about your mother. But objectively,
47:06will she be a great mother?
47:09She did say, if I marry her, when we get divorced, I can keep the kids in my house.
47:16Okay. Are you trolling me at this point?
47:18No, genuinely, she said that.
47:20You can't be this unserious and almost middle-aged.
47:23Oh, all right.
47:25Come on. You think this is some kind of joke?
47:28No, but it's also, it's the cross-fellasies.
47:29Why are you doing some comedy routine about exposing your children to a crazy mother?
47:35I mean, I don't know. I'm laughing to keep from crying here, right?
47:38Okay, well, let's be honest, then.
47:41I mean, I'm too old to start over, is the truth of it. And it's like, do I go without
47:46children or, like, poach some young woman just to, you know, have kids?
47:51Listen, you are not too old to have children. I had a kid, I was 40, 41, something like
47:58that, right? You're not too old to have children, but you've got to get a little more fucking
48:05serious about what you're doing.
48:07It's true.
48:08I mean, are you completely just thinking?
48:23I mean, is it that? Is it just the sin of lust?
48:26Like a more trad con girl between...
48:32Well, then what happens is you've kind of burned out your neurons managing crazy women,
48:57and you're like, you have to be, you know, like there are people who get addicted to...
49:04It's only like massive amounts of sugar or fat or salt or like they just can't taste normal food
49:10that's actually good for them because they've jammed all of these hyperkinetic receptors onto
49:16their taste buds for years, right?
49:18So you are in the final stages of hedonism, which is you've got to cool your jets and start to find
49:27pleasure in stuff that's not an extreme because you've made dating about your dick, not about
49:36what's going to be best for your future children. And listen, I sympathize. I'm not scowling at you from
49:43some high place of superiority. I sympathize. We've all been there as men. We've all been there as men.
49:47I mean, if we're any kind of dater, right? It's the siren, right? The lure, right? The crazy, intense
49:54woman who's a roller coaster and it is exciting and it's stimulating and there's highs and lows and
50:00there's lots of drama and so on, right? It's not a documentary on snails. It's doing cocaine and
50:07jumping from a plane, right? So I get all of that. And like most people, and I've certainly had my
50:14experiences with hedonism. So again, I'm not lecturing from any superior place here. I'm just
50:19passing along some pretty hard one wisdom is there's no pleasure in the long run like stability.
50:26That makes a lot of sense. Because you're sort of the equivalent of the binge purge,
50:31right? Like there's no, there's nothing really that's better in the long run than a decent meal
50:37and a predictable weight as opposed to I'm up 40 pounds. I'm down 50 pounds. I'm up 20 pounds.
50:44That's bad for your system and, and all of that. And so, uh, you know, if you want to do a call and
50:50show, we can talk about this route, the roots of this. I have to go shortly, but, uh, the roots of this
50:55is that, I mean, come on, your parents had to have some kind of unstable relationship. You had to
51:00have some kind of wiring hooked up. Yeah, that's, that's accurate. I'd say. Right. So you're used
51:06to that, right? Yeah. So you're used to that. Paste what your dad does, right? Did your dad marry an
51:15unstable woman? I'd say so. Yeah.
51:24And we, our genes program us to do what is sexually successful. Because if we don't do what's
51:29actually successful,
51:29that makes a lot of sense. And you have to, you have to challenge that.
51:45Seems to have cooled off and, you know, they're best friends.
51:58How are their kids doing? I'm successful. My two brothers are not well.
52:03What do you mean you're successful? You're dating a chick who ruins weddings.
52:06I don't know. I'm talking about love. Yeah, that's wisdom. So are any of his children successful
52:21in love? Yeah. Well, I mean, my younger brother's married, so he, he managed. He's not working.
52:29Is he happy? Is he happily married? I, I don't know if he's happy.
52:33Shouldn't you? I mean, you're siblings. Don't you talk? No, we don't speak anymore. He's, he, well,
52:39I'm not going to get into it another time. Okay. So, so his kids are not particularly happy in that
52:45at least two of his children don't even speak to each other. You're not married and dating a crazy
52:49girl. What about your other brother? He's a lead. I'm also not speaking to him. So. Okay. So if your
52:57father's happy, it's only because he's completely ignoring the unhappiness of his children.
53:02Let's see. So that's kind of selfish, right? I mean, good parents generally can't be happier
53:08than their least happy children or their least happy child. I mean, it's unfortunate because it's
53:13not like through any fault of theirs that my brother's turned out this way. Like my younger
53:18brother is trans now. Oh man. No, come on. Come on. Well, come on. No, I mean this generally.
53:24No, you're, no, you're, yeah. I'm not even letting that one go by a bit. You're talking to the wrong
53:29guy. You're talking to the wrong guy. Sorry. If, if you're going to say that parents have
53:33nothing to do with how their children turn out. Oh yeah. No, no, no. That's not, not something.
53:38That's not something. I just, I can't, I can't, I just can't even let that sit for a moment. I can't
53:42even let that float on the surface before, before pre-doing it down. Now I know that there's
53:47studies that say, you know, that there's, there's parents have a limited effect and so on, but this is
53:51all studies where kids all go into the same brain, government schools and so on. So
53:55I would invite you to look at the fact that your parents were not wildly successful. I'm not saying
54:03they're terrible parents, but you know, they weren't wildly successful in creating happiness
54:07for their children. And it probably is a good idea for you to review what they did. Because I asked
54:14your, did it work out for your father? Oh yeah, no, he's fine. He's happy. He's this, he's that. It's
54:18like, but his kids are not doing particularly well. And that should, to some degree, cloud his
54:24happiness so that he's has an incentive to try and fix it. Anyway, you can go to freedomain.com
54:30slash call you or, you know, anybody, sorry, didn't get to everyone here. I have a appointment
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54:40It's generally a really good idea with these kinds of things, because especially for you,
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