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Bob shares the powerful story of the Community of Reconciliation, a racially integrated Christian farming community established in Zimbabwe during the 1980s. Formed in response to violent civil conflict and racial injustice, the community was an experiment in peace and forgiveness between former enemies—black and white Zimbabweans. Bob describes how the vision originated with Jerry Keatley, who, inspired by the teachings of Jesus, challenged the apartheid theology of the time. Over time, Bob became personally involved, inspired by their practical pursuit of justice and reconciliation through shared agrarian life rather than religious spectacle.
The story tragically culminates in a massacre of community members, an event that left Bob deeply traumatized. He recounts the emotional impact of seeing the aftermath and how that grief later transformed into action. After years of silence and political suppression, Bob eventually published a book about the community, which was later recognized and validated by Zimbabwe’s national Peace and Reconciliation Commission. The conversation also distinguishes this grassroots movement from exploitative religious influences that flooded Africa, highlighting the purity of intent and lasting spiritual impact of the New Adams Farm.
00:00 Introduction
01:29 Background of the New Adams Farm and peace project in Zimbabwe
04:06 Historical context: tribal conflict, colonization, and revolution
12:01 Genocide and the moral awakening of Jerry Keatley
15:10 Founding the Community of Reconciliation
18:08 Contrasting destructive religious movements in Africa
24:24 Bob’s spiritual journey and discovery of the farm
29:00 Bob’s first visit and emotional connection to the mission
33:56 Kansas City connections and early support structure
36:29 Hidden racism in integrated ministries vs. real unity
40:56 Full integration and the rise of community empowerment
43:27 The massacre and Bob’s firsthand experience of the tragedy
52:15 Understanding influence and political backlash
56:11 Smuggling the story into Zimbabwe and its impact
59:02 Return trip, peace commission, and national validation
1:04:00 The lasting legacy and the healing power of truth-sharing
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The story tragically culminates in a massacre of community members, an event that left Bob deeply traumatized. He recounts the emotional impact of seeing the aftermath and how that grief later transformed into action. After years of silence and political suppression, Bob eventually published a book about the community, which was later recognized and validated by Zimbabwe’s national Peace and Reconciliation Commission. The conversation also distinguishes this grassroots movement from exploitative religious influences that flooded Africa, highlighting the purity of intent and lasting spiritual impact of the New Adams Farm.
00:00 Introduction
01:29 Background of the New Adams Farm and peace project in Zimbabwe
04:06 Historical context: tribal conflict, colonization, and revolution
12:01 Genocide and the moral awakening of Jerry Keatley
15:10 Founding the Community of Reconciliation
18:08 Contrasting destructive religious movements in Africa
24:24 Bob’s spiritual journey and discovery of the farm
29:00 Bob’s first visit and emotional connection to the mission
33:56 Kansas City connections and early support structure
36:29 Hidden racism in integrated ministries vs. real unity
40:56 Full integration and the rise of community empowerment
43:27 The massacre and Bob’s firsthand experience of the tragedy
52:15 Understanding influence and political backlash
56:11 Smuggling the story into Zimbabwe and its impact
59:02 Return trip, peace commission, and national validation
1:04:00 The lasting legacy and the healing power of truth-sharing
______________________
Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:
Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962
Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K
______________________
– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham
– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ
– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org
– Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg
– Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham
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00:00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research at william-branham.org.
00:00:43And with me, I have my co-host and friend, Bob Scott, former co-founder of the Kansas City Fellowship and author of three books.
00:00:50The latest is Some Say They Blundered, Breaking My Decades of Silence on Mike Bickle, the Kansas City Prophets, and the International House of Prayer.
00:01:00Bob, it's good to be back, and I'm a little bit excited for today's episode.
00:01:04I've actually wanted to talk to you about this for a while now.
00:01:07I've not yet read the book.
00:01:09I'm going to preface with that, so I'm going to have lots of questions.
00:01:12And it's kind of good for the listeners, too, because in a way, I wanted to have a conversation before I read the book so I could ask questions, because then that grounds me for my research where I can kind of piece all this together.
00:01:26To the audience who is listening, we're going to be talking about the New Adams Farm, and as some people know who've listened to the podcast and a lot of people know who've watched the news, this has became the center of attention for what happened with the Vance Bolter situation.
00:01:45The Minnesota shooter who assassinated two people, he mentioned New Adams Farm, and also he mentioned a key – I won't say key figure.
00:01:58He mentioned a person who was in Christ for the Nations Institute, and just the name Christ for the Nations is what tripped all of my flags.
00:02:06So I began trying to piece that together.
00:02:10There's a lot more that I can say about where that research is heading, because we are starting to piece together some of his history, working with other people.
00:02:18However, I wanted to dial in on the New Adams Farm, and who better to do it than Bob Scott, who has all the intimate knowledge of the place?
00:02:28Yeah.
00:02:29It's quite a story, honestly.
00:02:31The book you're referencing – let me see if I can get it on the screen for everyone – what you're talking about is the stories in this book called Saving Zimbabwe, Life, Death, and Hope in Africa.
00:02:44And this is the first edition.
00:02:48After it came out, somebody from South Africa got a hold of it, and they wanted to do a second edition, which is this one.
00:02:57So it's got two different covers.
00:03:00If you do any research on it, you'll see there's two different covers, but one is a South African version, and one is an American version.
00:03:08So let me tell you how this whole thing came to be, because this is a story that, to be honest with you, from my perspective – and again, whenever we're sharing, we're sharing from a perspective – but this is a sacred story.
00:03:24It's a very sacred and, in some ways, holy story for me.
00:03:29I appreciate, really, honestly, appreciate the fact that you're going to let me tell my story.
00:03:35And the reason is, is nobody would for 20 years.
00:03:39Not only would I not – nobody wanted to hear it in the U.S.
00:03:43Nobody in Zimbabwe wanted to talk about it, because the government put a ban on it, because it was so controversial.
00:03:52So let me back up a little bit and just give some context, because there's a lot of things out there right now that are being said that people – that are coming from people who really don't have firsthand knowledge.
00:04:04So what we're talking about is a peace and reconciliation project that was called the Community of Reconciliation, and it existed in southern Zimbabwe from about 1982 to 1987.
00:04:21The community was living on a farm called New Adams Farm.
00:04:27That's where the reference to New Adams Farm comes from, which is the property name.
00:04:31Later, those of us that were involved with the project helped them raise money to buy an additional piece of property, which they named Olive Tree.
00:04:44And this was a racially integrated, agrarian-based community that was profound when you understand the context that it was developed in.
00:04:58And in order to do that, I need to share a little bit of history about southern Africa, because what was happening in 1980 was actually a collision of forces.
00:05:12It was like a vortex for all kinds of conflict.
00:05:18So going back, way back, in the late 1700s, there was a woman who ended up getting impregnated by a prince of a chief, a tribal chief.
00:05:34And she ended up producing a son who was considered illegitimate by the royal family.
00:05:41She named him Shaka, and Shaka and his mom basically spent most of their life on the run.
00:05:49He was so embittered by the whole experience.
00:05:54As he grew into manhood, he was a stud.
00:05:58I mean, this guy was a physical presence and brilliant.
00:06:01And he ended up basically reforming the whole concept of military warfare, created almost a Julius Caesar type of situation where he literally conquered all the other tribes and killed hundreds of thousands of people.
00:06:20But he had so much anger.
00:06:22And so people, a lot of historians, he's called Shaka Zulu.
00:06:29And you'll hear about the Zulu people in South Africa, and they're very fierce warriors.
00:06:35So Shaka ends up getting into a conflict with one of his generals, a guy by the name of Makilikazi.
00:06:44And Makilikazi and his clan, which is a couple hundred people, end up heading north, and they cross the river that separates South Africa from Zimbabwe.
00:06:56It's called the Limpopo.
00:06:58So they cross the Limpopo, and guess what they do?
00:07:00They do what they had done in South Africa, which is they raid and conquer all of these little villages in this area north of the river.
00:07:12And he sets up a kingdom, and it's called the Endabeli kingdom.
00:07:17He's the first Endabeli king.
00:07:20He sets up this kingdom.
00:07:22But the people that are living there are basically a loose confederation of tribes, which we'll call the Shona people.
00:07:30But the Shona people consist of lots of different clans, right?
00:07:33But he basically pillaged and rapes, and he's just a force to reckon with, right?
00:07:40So, and that happens in the middle 1800s.
00:07:46So then what happens is up in England is a young kid named Cecil John Rhodes.
00:07:53I think he's got emphysema or something.
00:07:55So his parents send him to South Africa because the client's drier down there.
00:08:00And he sets out, he gets educated, and he sets out in business, and he gets into mining, and he ends up striking it in a mine called the Kimberley Mine.
00:08:12And the Kimberley Mine is where they find all these diamonds.
00:08:15So Cecil John Rhodes ends up getting really wealthy.
00:08:18He ends up believing that north of the Limpopo, in what is now Zimbabwe, there's way more wealth, mineral wealth, than even in South Africa.
00:08:30So he goes to England, and he creates a company that's got the British government involved in it called the British South Africa Company.
00:08:42And they basically give him soldiers and armaments, and guess what he does?
00:08:47He crosses the Limpopo River, but he's got a piece of technology that the end of bellies and anybody can't stand up to, which is the Gatling gun.
00:08:56So here, you know, the Shona and the end of bellies are attacking with spears and shields, and they're sitting on these, you know, on these, you know, these carts, you know, with this tripoded, basically machine gun mowing them all down.
00:09:15It was brutal.
00:09:17So he subdues all of the Africans, and then the Brits start moving in, right?
00:09:23So the Brits come down because they believe there's mineral wealth there, and Cecil John Rhodes is very, very famous for a phrase, from Cape to Cairo.
00:09:33And the whole idea was that he was going to build a railroad that went from all the way to Cape Town all the way up to Cairo, Egypt.
00:09:40And that's what he set out to do.
00:09:44Eventually, this area becomes a country called Rhodesia, named after him, right?
00:09:52So you have in this situation, you have the colonists, or the colonizers, as the black Africans called them, right, from Britain.
00:10:02You have the Shona people, and you have the end of belly people.
00:10:06Then what happens about the 1950s or 60s in Africa, it started in Kenya and Ghana,
00:10:13is the majority black population decided to stand up and fight against the colonizers, right?
00:10:21Because the British were in a vast minority.
00:10:25I mean, they're like 10% of these countries, right?
00:10:29So there's all these revolutionary movements.
00:10:33All of these guys were trained either in China or Russia, and it's violent.
00:10:37And in Zimbabwe, there was a violent civil war in the 1970s.
00:10:44I mean, it was brutal, right?
00:10:47So you've got now the end of belly and the Shona team up together, right,
00:10:54to overthrow the then prime minister, whose name was Ian Smith.
00:11:00I don't know if you remember this.
00:11:01So anyways, long story short, 1979, the British government steps in
00:11:07and basically helps them come to a peace agreement
00:11:12and allow there to be black rule.
00:11:17And the way they do it is they basically say,
00:11:20we're opening the elections up, everybody gets the vote,
00:11:23which you weren't able to do, right?
00:11:25So guess what happens?
00:11:26Robert Mugabe becomes the president of the new country called Zimbabwe.
00:11:34Robert Mugabe is not a fighter.
00:11:36He's a small statured intellectual guy who's also very bitter
00:11:41and very insecure and whatever.
00:11:45And he's in the midst of all these warriors, right?
00:11:48Or Mugabe gets nervous because the end of bellies are better fighters
00:11:55than the Shona.
00:11:56And he comes from the Shona tribe, right?
00:11:59So what he ends up doing is he brings the North Koreans in.
00:12:05They train a very special brigade, which is called the Fifth Brigade.
00:12:10And the Fifth Brigade goes down to southern Zimbabwe
00:12:13and starts massacring everybody that they can find
00:12:17that they think was in the military.
00:12:20And it's bloody.
00:12:23I mean, it's brutal.
00:12:25I have friends.
00:12:26I mean, I'm going to be very careful here.
00:12:29But suffice it to say, I have friends and acquaintances
00:12:33who were made to watch their sisters and mothers get raped.
00:12:38I mean, this was disgusting.
00:12:42The men were all rounded up in trucks, taken to mine shafts, and then all shot.
00:12:49And their bodies were dumped out.
00:12:51Somewhere, the minimum, there was 20,000.
00:12:54Most people think it's more 60,000 to 70,000 people were slaughtered.
00:12:58So here you are.
00:13:00It's 1980s, right?
00:13:021982.
00:13:03There's a genocide going on in southern Zimbabwe.
00:13:07What happens is there's a young salesman.
00:13:11His name's Jerry Keatley.
00:13:13He's a race Catholic.
00:13:15He ends up somehow or another getting involved in the evangelical church.
00:13:20He starts reading his Bible, and he starts going, wait a minute here.
00:13:25Everything I know about apartheid, you know, the whole racial climate of southern...
00:13:34This is all wrong.
00:13:35Like, Jesus is reaching out to a Roman centurion.
00:13:40I mean, that's like having a relationship with the Gestapo in World War II, right?
00:13:45He's crossing over and loving his enemy, and he's healing people that are not PC.
00:13:53Like, he's having conversations with the Jewish people's archenemy, the Samaritans, right?
00:14:01He's crossing all of these boundaries.
00:14:03And Jerry starts going, this is all screwed up.
00:14:08And the reason was because of the church, especially the Dutch Reformed Church, if you remember,
00:14:13they were the ones preaching separation.
00:14:16They were the ones preaching apartheid.
00:14:19They were putting God's blessing on this whole racial world that kept this whole black community in oppression, right?
00:14:27And Jerry's looking at this going, this is wrong.
00:14:30Like, this is really wrong.
00:14:32And so, they start talking.
00:14:35There's a whole group of them.
00:14:36And for a year, they start meeting going, what do we need to do about this?
00:14:41All of the churches in Harare and Bola Whale, right?
00:14:45They're all segregated.
00:14:47They're all stuffy little, you know, former British people.
00:14:53You know what I mean?
00:14:54And they got all these attitudes.
00:14:56And he's just like, I don't want to be a part of any of this.
00:14:58I want to do what Jesus did, right?
00:15:01And so, they come up with this idea.
00:15:03You know what we should do?
00:15:05We should sell everything that we have.
00:15:07Let's go buy some land next to what they call a tribal trust land, which is the same thing here in the States as an Indian reservation.
00:15:15Let's go buy some land next to one of these reservations and see if we can figure out how to live with these people.
00:15:26Like, can we actually live together with black people?
00:15:31That was the whole thing.
00:15:32Can we actually do this?
00:15:33Can we actually live in peace and love one another, right?
00:15:36So, that's how the whole thing gets started.
00:15:40So, they go buy this land from a guy named Adams, and they change the name of it to New Adams.
00:15:46So, the first property was called New Adams.
00:15:48That's where the name New Adams Farm comes from because the previous owner was named Adams.
00:15:53They just added the new to it.
00:15:56So, they just go out there.
00:15:57I mean, and trust me, they're naive, right?
00:16:00They don't even have a clue what they're doing.
00:16:02They just got something in their heart, right?
00:16:04And they're so innocent in it, in a way.
00:16:07And so, they go out there, and there's this little village right next to the property.
00:16:13And, you know, they start praying.
00:16:15They have, you know, they're praying all the time because they just really need God's favor here
00:16:20because this is just such a unique situation.
00:16:23Everybody in the city is going, you're nuts.
00:16:25Like, all the religious leaders are going, what are you doing?
00:16:29Like, they couldn't get their head around it, right?
00:16:31Because it just was such a foreign concept at the time.
00:16:35It's such a complex and complicated story.
00:16:38And I think I'll pause right here and say I may have to go for the YouTube version of this.
00:16:43I may have to go bleep out some of the words to get YouTube to allow it to go through.
00:16:46Because this is a devastating, tragic story with severe consequences.
00:16:52And there are consequences with uploading such things, such content to YouTube.
00:16:56So, if you hear the bleeps, that's why you hear them.
00:16:59And you can go listen to the Spotify version of this.
00:17:02But anyway, there are so many connections to my research.
00:17:07But I want to clear some of the questions in bulk.
00:17:11I'm getting, since we had the podcast with Bob, and especially since it hit the news,
00:17:16we're getting all kinds of questions.
00:17:18And I think I have three in my email just today that I have to answer about this situation
00:17:23because of the ties to the Branham research.
00:17:26So, if you are on my website and you go to the page Robert Gambura,
00:17:30you'll find where the Branham sect had taken, maybe not complete control,
00:17:36but had taken significant control over the banking system in Zimbabwe.
00:17:41And the cult leader, Robert Martin Gambura, had this weird doctrine where the women of the church
00:17:47were his sex slaves or something like this.
00:17:51He was teaching spiritual husbandry, and he got caught at it.
00:17:55He actually was convicted, went to prison, and they tried to engage into a military coup.
00:18:01Even from prison, he had control.
00:18:02But you have to understand, that comes much later.
00:18:07It's over a decade later, right, if I remember correctly.
00:18:10But there's a lot of guys just like him, just so you know.
00:18:13Exactly.
00:18:14This is one of the problems in Zimbabwe.
00:18:17But let me circle this back because I'll make the connection, which you will fill in for me.
00:18:22There's another person between Branham and what's there now, and it's Kenneth Hagan.
00:18:33Yes.
00:18:34Right?
00:18:35Because what happens is, is Kenneth Hagan and the guys in Tulsa create this world where preachers can prosper
00:18:45and have lots of status and stuff, and they create a whole situation in Africa now, right,
00:18:54which all of these African preachers just rush into Rhema Bible School.
00:18:59They rush to Tulsa.
00:19:01They're involved in all these meetings, and what do they do?
00:19:03They go back, and there's a thousand of these guys just like him because the thing just goes off the rails.
00:19:09And it's still like this today.
00:19:11I mean, some of the wealthiest guys in Zimbabwe are preachers.
00:19:17It's disgusting.
00:19:19I mean, these guys have whole fleets of Mercedes-Benz.
00:19:23Yeah, and there's another connection that goes way back earlier.
00:19:26So, in the early years of the Latter Rain revivals, Branham started touring, and I guess he caught wind of this
00:19:33through some of the other figures, but you mentioned Kimberly Diamond Mines.
00:19:36There are connections between Branhamism and those Kimberly Diamond Mines, and I thought it was, like, unique to the message.
00:19:44But I was reading, and I wish I could find it again, but I found this document that was talking about the connection
00:19:50between the apostolic faith missions, which would be John G. Lake and his group, and the creation of apartheid
00:19:58apartheid, and also the connection therein from all these ministers wanting to get their hands on the diamonds.
00:20:05So, you had this influx of people who everybody wants the diamonds, right?
00:20:08And it turns into this big mess.
00:20:11It's just whenever there's wealth around, it just gets nuts, right?
00:20:16It gets violent, actually.
00:20:18Yeah.
00:20:18So, it's a mess.
00:20:19It's a huge mess.
00:20:20So, before this event that happened at the Community of Reconciliation, you had the influx of all kinds of different cults
00:20:29who were not just in Zimbabwe, like, literally all of Africa.
00:20:33They see it as this fertile ground.
00:20:35Why?
00:20:36Because there's a lot of diamonds if you go to different various regions of the country.
00:20:40So, there is a reason why everything was there.
00:20:43Then, what happened is they created the cultural, racial mess that happened there.
00:20:52And so, for the people who are asking me the questions in the email, this farm seems to be something
00:20:59that was countering the mess that had been created and overrun by the people for the mess
00:21:06that later happened with the message sect.
00:21:08So, this is not linked in the same way that you would think it's linked by doctrinal positions
00:21:15leading to something bad happening.
00:21:18These guys, I don't think, would have ever heard of William Branham or any of that.
00:21:21As I said earlier to you, they were more connected to the Anabaptist world, which was the Hutterites,
00:21:29the Amish, Mennonites.
00:21:32They loved Count Zinzendorf and the Moravians.
00:21:35They saw themselves more in that vein.
00:21:37Yeah, so it's linked in a different way.
00:21:41It's linked because the culture that was created was destructive.
00:21:45And you can see, if you want to think of it like that, think of this as this is trying
00:21:50to correct the fruits of the bad ministries that had plagued the area.
00:21:55Well, and there's this comment.
00:21:56And I think Jed may have referenced this letter that this guy wrote to Ernie Gruen and stuff
00:22:05like that.
00:22:07Another thing they were reacting to was they had seen hundreds of so-called evangelists come
00:22:16to Africa from America, set up these big tent meetings, right, offer food.
00:22:23You offer food and you're going to get Africans coming from 20 miles away walking there, right?
00:22:29And they take all these pictures, right, of these massive crowds, put them on the front of their
00:22:35ministry pamphlets or whatever, and talk about how they were evangelizing Africa.
00:22:41Except for here's the problem.
00:22:44After they left, nothing changed.
00:22:47This is one of the things I struggle with because Reinhard Bonnke is kind of considered like one
00:22:56of the greatest evangelists ever because he had a million people at a crusade, right?
00:23:05I could take you there right now, and there's absolutely zero fruit.
00:23:13Nothing changed, right?
00:23:14So these guys that are doing this are going, wait a minute, this doesn't work.
00:23:20Like, in other words, this is how, I mean, it all sounds good in the moment, right?
00:23:25But there's no lasting fruit.
00:23:28Nobody gets picked, you know, nobody's lifted up out of poverty.
00:23:32You know, nobody's starting businesses and jobs and being able to feed their kids.
00:23:40Nothing's changed, right?
00:23:42In fact, the only thing that's happened is poor people gave their money to rich people.
00:23:47You know what I mean?
00:23:47And so they're looking at this going, this doesn't work.
00:23:51So that's the reason why they ended up moving out there and building an agrarian-based model
00:24:00because they were like, you know, we need to live.
00:24:04The whole idea here is not having meetings, right?
00:24:08They didn't even have a church for the first two or three years of the project.
00:24:14There was no church there because it wasn't about even church, right?
00:24:17It was all about how do we live together?
00:24:20So the question, the next question in this saga is how did I get involved?
00:24:27That's the big question many people are asking because when you think the Kansas City Fellowship,
00:24:32you think Mike Bickle, you think – I had one guy who's really diving deep,
00:24:37and this is probably a podcast for another day,
00:24:40but he's diving deep into the Fellowship Foundation connections to IHOPKC
00:24:44and the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship connections into IHOPKC,
00:24:50both entities which, as you know, have these national prayer breakfasts
00:24:55that there's a lot of conspiracy theories about that.
00:24:57That's another podcast for another day, but yes, I do want to know how you got involved.
00:25:03So let's start the Bob Scott thread.
00:25:09So I'm living in Milwaukee.
00:25:13I'm 18 years old.
00:25:15I get saved.
00:25:15I have a spiritual experience, and I end up getting set to Bible school.
00:25:20That's where I met Mike Bickle.
00:25:22We were roommates in Estes Park, Colorado at Bible school.
00:25:27I had no knowledge.
00:25:29Being raised Catholic, we never read the Bible,
00:25:31so the whole introduction to the Bible was quite an experience for me.
00:25:37Well, what happened to me was the exact same thing that happened to Jerry Keighley.
00:25:43I'm reading all this stuff going, wait a minute, right?
00:25:47It's like Jesus is loving his enemies.
00:25:49Like he's crossing all these social boundaries that people put on us.
00:25:55Like something's really off here.
00:25:58So I spent seven years on a journey,
00:26:02and this was the question that was driving me.
00:26:05Is there anywhere in the world where the teachings of Jesus have healed the conflict,
00:26:13where former enemies have forgiven one another and loved one another?
00:26:20Like has that ever happened?
00:26:22Because I'm reading this book where Jesus is teaching all this stuff,
00:26:26and I'm going, does this work?
00:26:28Like it really sounds good when I read it,
00:26:30but has anybody ever actually did it, right?
00:26:33So I go on this seven-year journey,
00:26:35which is where I got introduced to the Amish and the Mennonites and all that
00:26:45because I had heard that they believed in peace, right?
00:26:49That they were peacemakers.
00:26:51So I went and visited their communities, and it was a great experience.
00:26:54I mean, it was pretty amazing.
00:26:55But after a year of doing that, I realized that the way that they kept peace
00:27:02was to isolate themselves from conflict, right?
00:27:07And I was like, that's like half of the equation here.
00:27:11It's like I really love what you guys want to do,
00:27:14except you're not really doing what I'm talking about.
00:27:17I'm talking about people that hated one another,
00:27:21and through the teachings of Jesus, forgive one another, reconcile,
00:27:26and live together, right?
00:27:28So this is bugging me.
00:27:30Like this is for seven years.
00:27:32I'm trying to solve this puzzle, right?
00:27:36So we start Kansas City Fellowship in November of 1982,
00:27:41and about a year later, I want to say it's the fall of 1983,
00:27:45we have two guests, two guys that come in from one of them was a guy named Art Katz,
00:27:54who was a Messianic Jewish guy out of Minneapolis or somewhere, Eden Prairie,
00:28:00something like that in Minnesota, right?
00:28:03The reason why Art was in Kansas City is Kansas City had a large,
00:28:08I mean, a really large Messianic Jewish community.
00:28:12And so Art was sort of a superstar in that world, he and Derek Prince.
00:28:17And so they were in and out of Kansas City all the time.
00:28:21So we're sitting there one night, and of course I know that Art's being Jewish,
00:28:27family was infected by the Holocaust.
00:28:30And so we end up having this discussion,
00:28:33and over the course of the discussion,
00:28:36as we're getting more and more familiar with each other,
00:28:39and I feel a little bit safer, I just go there with him.
00:28:43And I said, listen, I'm highly frustrated here.
00:28:47Here's my journey.
00:28:49Here's what I want to see.
00:28:51I know nowhere in the world where this is happening.
00:28:55And he looks at me and he goes, Bob, it exists.
00:29:00And I was like, what?
00:29:02He goes, Bob, we were just there a few months ago.
00:29:05And he tells me this story about these former white Rhodesians
00:29:10who sell everything that they have and go buy this land next to this tribal trust
00:29:16so they can learn how to live and reconcile
00:29:19with the people they were in a civil war with just a few years earlier.
00:29:25Right?
00:29:25This is like north and south, right?
00:29:28This is like the civil war.
00:29:29They go live with the guys that were shooting them just two or three years earlier.
00:29:36Jerry was actually in the military.
00:29:38In Zimbabwe, the white population was so small, it was a little bit like Israel.
00:29:42Everybody had to fight, right?
00:29:44So all these guys were ex-military.
00:29:47And I look at him and I go, are you kidding?
00:29:51And he goes, Bob, I'm serious.
00:29:53Exactly what you're describing to me exists in southern Zimbabwe.
00:29:57Anyway, I said, I got to go.
00:29:59Like, I got to go.
00:30:01So we arranged for me to go in February of, I think it was 84.
00:30:09And so it was my like first big trip out of the United States
00:30:12other than to Tijuana, Mexico, you know?
00:30:15So this is my big adventure, you know?
00:30:18And so I go there and I remember getting picked up at the airport.
00:30:23It was very dry, not a lot of green.
00:30:29And we're driving because they're 40 kilometers from the city out into the country.
00:30:35And it's just all brown.
00:30:37And then we suddenly get to this property marker and we go across it
00:30:42and everything turns green and lush.
00:30:46Like, it was like the Garden of Eden.
00:30:47I mean, there's, you know, there's maze, like 80 feet tall, you know what I mean?
00:30:52It's like, I'm like, wow, what happened?
00:30:54Like, it was just such a stark difference for the trip for the last 40 kilometers.
00:31:02So anyways, I get there and there's nobody around.
00:31:05Like, it's just, you know, the people that picked us up were like,
00:31:09hey, you know, we'll put, you know, here you put your luggage there.
00:31:12And then suddenly a bell rings, right?
00:31:14Because it's lunchtime.
00:31:15And I look around and from everywhere I can see are black and white people
00:31:22walking together up to where they're going to have lunch.
00:31:28And they're hugging each other.
00:31:29They're hanging on each other's arms.
00:31:32It was like, I started crying.
00:31:35I literally, I was like, oh my God.
00:31:37Like, knowing the situation and what the country was just three years,
00:31:44you know, just five years earlier, I was stunned.
00:31:48I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
00:31:51And it was the sweetest spirit.
00:31:54Like, it was, I can't explain it, but it was like,
00:31:56there was so much love and tenderness and all that, right?
00:32:02So I spent a couple weeks there and I'm in.
00:32:06Like, I lost it.
00:32:07I was like, these are my peeps.
00:32:09Like, this is my family.
00:32:10Like, these guys get it, right?
00:32:12So I come back to Kansas City and I'm all excited.
00:32:17And I try to explain this to Mike and it goes right over his head.
00:32:21Like, he just doesn't get it.
00:32:22And then he looks at me and he goes, how can you do that?
00:32:25I hate spiders and snakes.
00:32:26I don't do, I would never want to go to Africa.
00:32:29Like, he just, like, he just doesn't get his head around it.
00:32:33So what ends up happening is that even though it's associated with KCF,
00:32:40Mike was never involved, ever.
00:32:43It was my deal, my project, my people.
00:32:47And so we ended up, what we ended up doing was I realized that, you know,
00:32:52we're sort of developing a missions wing, a traditional missions wing.
00:32:55So I created a second organization called Grace Ministries.
00:33:00And Grace Ministries was what, you know, if you want to look at an organizational chart,
00:33:06that's what this would have gone up into, right?
00:33:09It would have been under Grace Ministries.
00:33:12Except for, again, people have to understand, this is not an exclusively KCF thing.
00:33:16These are, there's people all over the world, right, that are coming to this place and are involved.
00:33:23So we were just one of many, you know, organizations that were involved.
00:33:30But there were other friends that I had at the church.
00:33:35Jed's parents, Bob and Terry, had just gotten married.
00:33:38I just thought, you know what, this would be a great opportunity.
00:33:42They're newlyweds.
00:33:43And, you know, he's trying to do ministry as a newlywed.
00:33:47And I'm like, you know what, you need to take a time out and just focus on you guys.
00:33:51So I sent them over there.
00:33:53There were a couple other families that went over there to help them build this thing.
00:33:58And so that's how that whole thing got rolling.
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00:35:00So, I'd like to take a moment and talk through some of the culture before we get into this
00:35:06further, because I know some of the things that you've said, if you were tied to the
00:35:11Branhamites sect of latter reign, or anything that was Christian identity influence, it leads
00:35:17your head down a different pathway than actual reality.
00:35:21And I want to pause there just a minute.
00:35:23So, the notion of having blacks and whites holding hands and hugging each other, all of this
00:35:29stuff, in America, that's not a big deal.
00:35:31Even in the Branhamite sects, you're going to find people who are doing this.
00:35:35It's, you know, racism of the 60s is far behind us in this country.
00:35:42But when you stop and think about, the Bible, I talk about this all the time, the Bible says
00:35:48you'll know them by the fruits and by the works that they do.
00:35:51You can tell the tree that it was created from.
00:35:55When Branhamism spread into Africa, from a picture, if you were to find a photograph of
00:36:03one of these meetings, you're going to find white people with black people.
00:36:07And this is odd whenever you think that William Branham was mentored by the second in command
00:36:12of the Ku Klux Klan.
00:36:13And that does not compute for people in today's world because they have seen also the pictures
00:36:18of the race riots in the 60s and the army and all of this stuff.
00:36:23But it is not simply that they wanted separation.
00:36:29People who were of the racist mindset wanted control.
00:36:32And what better way to control than to be integrated with the people who did not share
00:36:38your color of skin and be able to persuade and indoctrinate them to think that they are
00:36:44lesser.
00:36:45And that's essentially what was happening.
00:36:47So Branham comes into these countries and he does not teach a racist version of the Christian
00:36:52identity doctrine, but he is teaching Christian identity.
00:36:56He's claiming that there was a literal bloodline that was created between Eve and the serpent
00:37:01and produced Cain.
00:37:03And that bloodline spread throughout all of the nations.
00:37:05And he traced it specifically through the lineage of Ham, which during Branham's era, that was
00:37:13believed to be the black people of Africa.
00:37:16That's how the racist doctrine came to be.
00:37:21And he followed it up with the high-breeding doctrine, which said that if you're black and
00:37:28you marry somebody that's white, you're high-breeding and you can't enter the kingdom for 15 generations.
00:37:33You've committed that big of a sin.
00:37:35So he's literally teaching the racist thing, but he's not openly saying racism.
00:37:40So whenever this is spreading throughout, what happens is people who get a hold of the doctrine
00:37:46and they start to accept Branham's version, you're going to see white people and black people in the same
00:37:51meetings.
00:37:52But there's something that happens once they discover the actual lineage that he's talking about.
00:37:58And I did an interview with a – his name is Joshua Ahiano, and I may be pronouncing that
00:38:06last name incorrectly, but he talks about this.
00:38:09He came to that conclusion after reading this.
00:38:12First off, he came to the notion that, wait a minute, animals can't breed with humans anyway.
00:38:17This doesn't work.
00:38:18But he said, I believe this.
00:38:20I accepted it.
00:38:21Well, that spread – Branhamism, the height of latter rain and the height of it spreading
00:38:26around the globe was in the mid-50s and then kind of died out.
00:38:30So from the mid-50s to this point that we're talking about, there are a number of people
00:38:35who were influenced by, if not Branham, one of the men working with him.
00:38:40That spread throughout all of Africa.
00:38:42To the extent you have people – I've got an example of a person who's on the Ivory
00:38:46Coast, a black minister who is a quite popular black minister in his region, who's teaching
00:38:52the racist version of Serpent Seed, saying that it is good to be inferior to the white
00:39:00man's superiority.
00:39:01He words it differently, but that's essentially what he's saying.
00:39:04That is spread all throughout Africa from coast to coast of the continent.
00:39:07So, what you're describing is totally different than the – whenever somebody sees a photograph
00:39:15of the latter rain and all of this stuff, you're thinking that there's unity.
00:39:19What you're talking about is true unity, which is much different than what spread.
00:39:23Well, I'll give you an example of this.
00:39:25So, one of the big conflicts in Zimbabwe is land ownership, right?
00:39:31White people own all the land.
00:39:32So, one of the things you've got to realize is why did black people go to church with white
00:39:38people?
00:39:40Because the white people were in control of all of the institutions in the society, right?
00:39:47So, if you wanted to be upwardly mobile, right?
00:39:50You wanted a good job.
00:39:52You wanted a good income.
00:39:53You wanted a good thing.
00:39:55Well, you had to hang around with white people.
00:39:58So, Jerry Keighley later in the – well, let me just say this first.
00:40:04So, one of the things they did to try to deal with the ownership issue is they put everything
00:40:12in a trust.
00:40:14So, there was nobody owned it, right?
00:40:17In other words, there was no individual owner.
00:40:20Like, there was no white guy that owned it.
00:40:22So, what ends up happening is that they end up – the thing grows.
00:40:34Like, it keeps growing, right?
00:40:36So, what happens is I believe it's in – well, initially – so, let me explain.
00:40:41So, when I met them in 84, they were living next to each other.
00:40:46Meaning that at the end of the workday, all the Africans went back down to the village
00:40:52of Ambezingwe, and all the white people stayed at the community, right?
00:40:56So, when I went back, I went back again, and I sat down with Jerry and the guys, and we're
00:41:04like, we got to take this to the next level.
00:41:07It's like, it's not about living next to each other in peace.
00:41:10It's living together with one another in peace, right?
00:41:13So, they needed funds to buy a second property, which they ended up calling Olive Tree.
00:41:21So, what's interesting is, is that while a lot of people think that it was Kansas City
00:41:26Fellowship that helped fund it, it actually wasn't.
00:41:29It was businessmen in Kansas City and from around the world.
00:41:34Like, there was guys in South Africa.
00:41:36I was involved in helping raise the money.
00:41:39But it didn't come from the church, right?
00:41:41What happened was, those guys would donate the money to Grace Ministries, right?
00:41:46So, they could get the tax deduction, and then we would send it over.
00:41:50But the money didn't come from anybody at KCF's tithes and offerings, right?
00:41:55It was all raised externally by guys who actually were so blown away by the model.
00:42:01You know, they were like, man, this is awesome, right?
00:42:05So, what happens is, they buy Olive Tree, and we start building homes, and then they start
00:42:10living together.
00:42:12Like, they actually, the villagers from Ambizinguik start coming up, and they're all living together
00:42:17now.
00:42:18Like, they're all on the same property.
00:42:20They began to create businesses.
00:42:22Now, this is where Dave Emerson comes in.
00:42:24So, the name Dave Emerson, who is the guy that Bolter's referring to, right?
00:42:31So, Dave, I don't know if it was North or South Dakota, but that's, he comes from a farm family
00:42:38in one of those two states.
00:42:41So, Dave's there because he knows how to work with his hands.
00:42:44He knows how to weld.
00:42:45He's a carpenter.
00:42:46You know, it's like anybody that's on a farm, right?
00:42:48You got to fix your own stuff.
00:42:51And Dave was really good at that.
00:42:52So, Dave was there teaching all the Africans all these skill sets, right?
00:42:57So, they set up a blacksmith, like, he had them set up a whole blacksmith shop.
00:43:03They had a whole carpentry thing, right?
00:43:05And he was teaching skills.
00:43:07And the reason was, is that once they got these skills, then they could go out and start
00:43:12businesses, right?
00:43:13And so, that was the whole idea.
00:43:15It was like self-sufficient.
00:43:17You know what I mean?
00:43:18You know, let's, you know, invest here and multiply it and grow.
00:43:24So, that's where things at.
00:43:27So, now the question is, why did they die?
00:43:29Like, why did they get killed, right?
00:43:31It's like, this is, so, to be very vulnerable with everyone, I was at my mother-in-law's
00:43:39house on Thanksgiving when I got the news that there'd been a raid at the property and
00:43:46all the white people got slaughtered, 16 of them.
00:43:49I mean, I remember, I cannot get this out of my head.
00:43:53It's like, I remember we were sitting watching football and my friend from South Africa calls
00:43:58me, tells me to sit down and then he tells me this news.
00:44:01And I'm so stunned.
00:44:03I had, I made him tell me again.
00:44:04Like, I just couldn't get my head around it.
00:44:07Because in my view, again, this is my perspective, this was the purest expression of Christianity
00:44:13I'd ever seen.
00:44:14Like, I'm going, this is it.
00:44:16Like, this is so basic, right?
00:44:18It's just simple.
00:44:19Like, it's not theological.
00:44:21It's not all this crazy stuff.
00:44:23It's not prophetic.
00:44:24It's just people being Christians, right?
00:44:28And I just, I just can't get my head around it.
00:44:31So I end up, we have a meeting at the church.
00:44:36Mike, even though he was never involved, he was very tender about it.
00:44:39And he just said, Bob, whatever you need.
00:44:40And I said, I got to go back.
00:44:43So I end up flying back over there the next day.
00:44:47And it was insane.
00:44:49I mean, it was absolutely insane.
00:44:51I remember they picked me up at the airport.
00:44:55Oh, my God, this is hard.
00:44:58It's just real emotional for me.
00:44:59But they picked me up at the airport.
00:45:03And they took me to this building.
00:45:05And I walk in.
00:45:06And there is a whole bunch of angry white men.
00:45:10Like, they're pissed.
00:45:11And they all turn at me.
00:45:13And of course, they want to know what happened.
00:45:17Like, why did this happen?
00:45:18Like, I'm supposed to know.
00:45:19You know what I mean?
00:45:21But these were all people that really kind of knew it was happening but really didn't understand, right?
00:45:27So they're all charging at me.
00:45:30Like, I mean, it's almost frightening.
00:45:32It's like a buffalo stampede.
00:45:33Like, you have all these, right?
00:45:34And these guys are ready to go get their guns, what they've had buried, and start a civil war.
00:45:40That's how angry everyone is.
00:45:42I mean, they're mad, right?
00:45:44So one of these guys decides that he's going to make his point.
00:45:52And he grabs me by the arm, opens the door, and throws me into a room that stinks to high heaven.
00:45:58And I turn around, and there's all the hacked up bodies of my friends laying out.
00:46:03And I'm at the morgue.
00:46:05And I didn't know that, right?
00:46:06And I didn't know where we were.
00:46:07But this is the sad part about it.
00:46:10The air conditioning had broke.
00:46:12So I'm in a morgue with 16 dead bodies in the middle of hot summer.
00:46:18Wow.
00:46:19Those are images you can't get out of your head.
00:46:23Just quick sidebar, it took me 20 years to discover that I ended up with PTSD over this.
00:46:31Like, these images got so etched into my mind, right?
00:46:35So it was pretty intense.
00:46:39I'll tell you one of the just crazy stories.
00:46:42So because they were cremating everyone, it took a whole week, right?
00:46:49They could only do two bodies a day, so it took a whole week.
00:46:53Well, then the patriarch of the family, he lost eight members of his family in this thing.
00:47:00He decides he wants to bury them on the property.
00:47:02But nobody wants to go out there because they're scared, right?
00:47:07Because there was a raid, and they were called dissidents, right?
00:47:11And the dissidents were the end of LA soldiers that Mugabe was trying to kill who were living in the bush and raiding, right?
00:47:18And so they're all scared that the dissidents are going to attack us.
00:47:24So nobody wants to go.
00:47:26So we end up, John Russell was the gentleman's name.
00:47:31John and I drive out there with probably maybe five other cars.
00:47:36And I get out there, and the Africans have dug a hole in the ground and already put concrete down.
00:47:42And this is going to be the vault where we're going to put all their bodies.
00:47:45And it's just probably 15 of us, right?
00:47:49And it's burning.
00:47:51I like that.
00:47:52The sky is just blue.
00:47:54Like, it's beautifully blue.
00:47:55It's 90 degrees out there.
00:47:57We start having this.
00:48:01And it hadn't rained in seven years.
00:48:03Like, we're in the seventh year of a drought.
00:48:05This is why this story is so crazy.
00:48:07So we're getting ready, you know, to say some prayers and bury them.
00:48:14And I start hearing this singing.
00:48:17And the Africans love to sing.
00:48:18I remember one of my favorite things in waking up in the morning there was all the women down in the field together singing as they're, you know, cultivating and everything.
00:48:27And it's just, when you hear Africans sing like that, it's just absolutely so stirring, right?
00:48:32And so anyways, we look and there's thousands of villagers coming up the hill to the funeral.
00:48:47I lose it.
00:48:48And the reason was, is the dissidents told them, well, they made them watch the massacre, the leaders of the community, the white people, and told them if they ever set foot on this property again, they'd all die.
00:49:02Right?
00:49:03So here, all the villagers from all around who were under the threat of death defy these violent dissident guys and come to the funeral.
00:49:15And it was absolutely amazing, right?
00:49:18So this is where it goes.
00:49:19So my heart is just exploding because I'm like, I understand how significant this is, right?
00:49:26This is what these people were saying just by being there was enormous, right?
00:49:31So anyways, I was the one that actually put everybody's remains together on the bottom of the vault, right?
00:49:39So we get all that done.
00:49:41We start, we put dirt in, and then we start pouring concrete over the top, right?
00:49:47Because we're going to create a vault.
00:49:49And as I'm down in the vault, I suddenly feel this ice cold breeze go up my back.
00:49:57I'm like, what the heck?
00:50:01And so I turn around, and over the, I don't want to say mountain because it makes it like a shoe, but it was, you know, like a hill, big giant hill, like, you know, 60 feet in the air.
00:50:12I look up, and there's absolutely a black cloud, like it is black, right?
00:50:20Like I'm talking about it's blue everywhere else, and right over our head comes this black cloud, right?
00:50:27And it stops over the top of us, and all of a sudden it opens up, and it starts raining.
00:50:34And I don't mean raining.
00:50:35I mean pouring.
00:50:36Now, if you've ever seen what happens in the desert when it rains after a long period of drought, the ground is like concrete.
00:50:47So the rain doesn't seep into the ground.
00:50:50It starts rushing down, right?
00:50:52And I hear everybody go, we got to get out of here fast, right?
00:50:57Because everybody's car was going to, like, wash down the hill.
00:51:01And so we're, like, scrambling as fast as we can to get out of there, right?
00:51:06I lay in bed all night long and just listen to the rain.
00:51:10So the next morning, John wakes me up, and he goes, we got to go back out there.
00:51:14I'm afraid they're, you know, they're ashes of all, like, you know, that the rain washed all the new concrete.
00:51:20It was like brand new concrete, right?
00:51:22We got it.
00:51:22They all washed away.
00:51:24So anyways, we drive back out there, and as we're coming into the property, the Africans come running going,
00:51:31Mr. Bob, Mr. Bob, you got to see this, right?
00:51:33Well, for the last, the three months before they died, because water is life, they built this huge concrete dam that was like a wall, like 30 feet high wall, right?
00:51:46And so my friend Tabati grabs my arm, and he takes me to the dam, and this thing is overflowing.
00:51:54This is insane, right?
00:51:55Like, this, I mean, as far as you can look is water.
00:52:00And I start crying again, right?
00:52:02Because it's like, oh, my God.
00:52:04And Tabati looks at me, and he goes, God wept all night long.
00:52:08See, in their mind, it was like this, God's tears filled this lake up, right?
00:52:13So anyways, here's the big lesson.
00:52:19So all that to get to this point.
00:52:23I did not understand in my 20s that influence is a problem.
00:52:33Because if you gain influence, somebody else is losing it.
00:52:41It's kind of like a pie, right?
00:52:43It's kind of like a pie.
00:52:44If your slice gets bigger, the pie doesn't get bigger, other people's slices get smaller.
00:52:51Well, what had happened was, is because these people were saving lives in the middle of this genocide, right?
00:52:59I mean, the government is trying to starve these people to death.
00:53:02They're slaughtering, right?
00:53:04So these people are feeding people, employing people, right?
00:53:08And so guess what they gained?
00:53:11Influence.
00:53:13Like, they were, I mean, just everybody knew the community of reconciliation was special.
00:53:22And they're saving our lives.
00:53:23So you have this whole, you know, southern part of the country where they have this incredible influence.
00:53:30Well, guess what it did?
00:53:32It made people mad.
00:53:35So I learned the hard lesson that when you gain influence, somebody else loses influence.
00:53:41And when they do, they get mad.
00:53:43And when they get mad, they get violent.
00:53:45Wow.
00:53:45That was a shocker to me, right?
00:53:48I just, I'm thinking, this is, can you not see how good this is?
00:53:52Like, you think you're looking at something and everybody's going to recognize this is really good.
00:53:57But because people are wicked and self-centered, right?
00:54:03Somebody looks at this and goes, well, wait a minute, I'm losing my influence.
00:54:07And here's what was the problem.
00:54:08The government kept saying they were going to fix it.
00:54:12And it didn't do anything.
00:54:14And these guys did, right?
00:54:16So it made people mad.
00:54:18The second thing was, is that the government wanted to keep the narrative going, white people bad, black people good.
00:54:26Well, suddenly now you've got people on equal ground, in the community, as equals.
00:54:34This did not fit the revolutionary narrative.
00:54:38So we got to get rid of these people.
00:54:39And so somebody, and I'm still working on this to this day, it could have been Mugabe, but somebody up north, where the government was, ordered their deaths.
00:54:52And they went out and recruited these guys.
00:54:55It's pretty wild, because I never went back after the funeral was my last time there.
00:55:072007, I discovered I have PTSD.
00:55:11I started a not-for-profit organization called Compassionate Justice.
00:55:16And I'm sending medical supplies and books over to Zimbabwe.
00:55:22Anyway, well, what's crazy is that that second edition book, the South African book, was put in a bookstore chain called Essential Books, which is similar to Barnes & Noble here.
00:55:39What just so happened that Essential Books had a shop right in front of the gate, where everybody got off and on their flights from Zimbabwe to South Africa.
00:55:49So here's this book, right?
00:55:51Well, everybody's bringing the book in.
00:55:54So one of my friends, who ended up becoming the minister of education, that's why I was sending the books over, calls me and goes, Bob, you can't come back.
00:56:08I go, why?
00:56:09He goes, in the cabinet meeting today, Mugabe told everyone that if Bob Scott ever comes back here, I want him arrested.
00:56:16He was so angry at me because all these people were buying the book and coming into the country with it, right?
00:56:25Telling a story that he's trying to hide, and he'd been hiding it for years.
00:56:29Like, the government would not allow this story out, right?
00:56:33So I ended up, you know, this is just me.
00:56:38Sorry, if you tell me no, that's a bad thing.
00:56:41So in one of my containers, I put a thousand of the books in and then pack 38 pallets of books behind it.
00:56:52So the customs guys can't get to it.
00:56:55Tell my friends what's going on.
00:56:57And they have the container delivered to a farm.
00:57:01Everybody comes at night.
00:57:02They unload the thing.
00:57:03They take the books, right?
00:57:04Because these are, you know, there's like 24 in a box.
00:57:07And they spread them all over the country.
00:57:12Robert Mugabe dies.
00:57:16And one of my friends there says, Bob, we're having a peace and reconciliation meeting.
00:57:22You need to come and talk and tell the story.
00:57:27I think they'll let you.
00:57:30Well, we had a debate for a few months because I'm like, I don't want to get off that plane and get arrested.
00:57:35And he goes, no, no, I think it'll be all right.
00:57:38So anyways, I fly back over there.
00:57:40Of course, I get off the plane and my head's on a swivel, right?
00:57:42I'm looking for guys in suits walking towards me.
00:57:46I'm so paranoid.
00:57:47But anyways, we were able to, I was able to lean.
00:57:51It was three days later was the conference.
00:57:53I was going to share my story.
00:57:55And then the morning that I was supposed to tell my story, the guys at the conference go, Bob, we got a problem.
00:58:04And the CIO, which is their FBI, came last night really late.
00:58:09And they said, if Bob Scott talks about the massacre or the book, we're going to arrest him.
00:58:15So now I'm supposed to give this speech, right, in front of a crowd and tell my story without telling my story.
00:58:23It was the most awkward thing.
00:58:25But anyways, I do it.
00:58:27I dance around it, right?
00:58:28I am, like, skirting the edge of everything.
00:58:32But everybody's with me.
00:58:34Like, I'm utterly confused that I'm up there because the whole crowd's with me.
00:58:40What I didn't understand until I got done was all the people who had already read the book that I had sent over five years earlier.
00:58:48It was like Mao's little red book in China.
00:58:51Remember that?
00:58:52You know, where he, right?
00:58:53So this book, right, which Mugabe called Subversive Material, had gotten all through the country.
00:58:59So everybody read between the lines of what I was talking about, right?
00:59:04So anyways, I get done.
00:59:07And a guy comes up to me and he says, I have a friend.
00:59:11He's on a commission.
00:59:12It's called the Peace and Reconciliation Commission.
00:59:14The new government wants to try to heal the problems from this genocide.
00:59:19Will you appear and tell your story?
00:59:24And I'm like, okay.
00:59:25So I'm, like, trying to, you know, I'm asking my friends there because I don't know what I'm getting into.
00:59:31And anyways, I said, I'm a little nervous about this.
00:59:35Well, they decided, my friend Nigel says, hey, let's have lunch with Dr. Shadat.
00:59:42And you can tell him his story, right?
00:59:44So I got this guy that's the head of Zim Papers and one of the, you know, big stalwarts in the government.
00:59:51And we're having lunch together.
00:59:53Nigel says, tell him a story.
00:59:54Well, I get about halfway through my story.
00:59:56Dr. Shadat takes his chair, puts it right in front of me, and grabs my hands.
01:00:01And we cry together all the way through the story.
01:00:04It was stunning.
01:00:05Like, this is a guy with a PhD who's, like, this really distinguished guy, right?
01:00:10And so I'm, like, and he goes, Bob, you've got to come to the commission.
01:00:13And you've got to bring the books.
01:00:17So anyways, a week later, you know, we're driving over there.
01:00:21My friend Nigel looks at me and he goes, well, Bob, this is either going to be really good or really bad.
01:00:26Like, when we get off that elevator, there's either going to be CIO agents there and we're going to prison or there's really something there, right?
01:00:33So anyways, we go into the meeting.
01:00:37We get the doors open and there's roly-poly Dr. Chada and he's all excited.
01:00:41And we're like, oh, right?
01:00:43So he takes me into this meeting and there's a dozen other men and women there, all with PhDs.
01:00:48Like, these are all the elite intellectuals in the country.
01:00:52I sit there for about 30 minutes through the meeting and then there was a judge who was the chairman, Judge Nare.
01:01:02And Judge Nare looks at Dr. Chada and he said, you have a guest.
01:01:06And so he introduces me.
01:01:07And nobody tells me how much time I have or whatever, right?
01:01:11Just tell your story.
01:01:12So anyways, I did it in 30 minutes.
01:01:13I get done and there's dead silence, like awkward silence, right?
01:01:19So I don't know what to do.
01:01:21So I look at Nides and I go, well, maybe now's a good time to pass out the books.
01:01:25Well, what happens is everybody wants their picture taken with me.
01:01:29And I start figuring out, hey, I think this is a good thing.
01:01:33Like, I think they got it, right?
01:01:36Well, this is where it gets crazy.
01:01:39So, you know, I get done taking the pictures and we all look.
01:01:42And at the head of this big boardroom table is Judge Nare leafing through the book, sobbing, just sobbing.
01:01:51And nobody knows what's going on.
01:01:52So we all go sit down.
01:01:54And he takes his time and he finally stands up and he says, comrade, everything that Bob Scott wrote in this book is true.
01:02:04Wow.
01:02:04And I am stunned, right?
01:02:06I don't know this man.
01:02:07I have no idea why he said, like, why is he suddenly stepping out and defending me, right?
01:02:14Because he's dogmatic.
01:02:15This is the truth.
01:02:16This is a crazy story.
01:02:17He turns to me and goes, I bet you're wondering how I can say that.
01:02:22And I said, yes, I'm confused.
01:02:24He said, what you don't know is I was a judge in Bulawea when your friends died.
01:02:28I was at the funeral.
01:02:29Wow.
01:02:31And I just had this chill go through me, like, right?
01:02:35Because I'm realizing that something happened years, like decades before that set up this moment, right?
01:02:42And then he looks at me and he says, I want you to know something.
01:02:47He goes, today, we're entering your book into the official historical record of this nation.
01:02:54Wow.
01:02:56So it went from being banned material, right?
01:03:01Sedacious material, which I couldn't even tell the story, to this guy saying, no, we're validating this.
01:03:09And I have firsthand knowledge.
01:03:12Like, I'm going to the mat for you because this is the truth.
01:03:15I don't have time to go into this, but what's happened since that in terms of healing,
01:03:20not only South Africa and Zimbabwe and people, this story, while it's not a big deal here in the States,
01:03:28is a huge deal in Africa because it addresses so many of the fundamental problems, right?
01:03:37I have probably had hundreds of government people who have said to me,
01:03:44had this survived, the trajectory of Zimbabwe would have been totally different.
01:03:52The reason why we're still a screwed up country is we killed God's gift.
01:03:59And that's, I hear this all the time, we killed God's gift.
01:04:03That is quite a story.
01:04:04And I'm certain that most of the people who are reading the news and they're seeing these connections
01:04:08between the shooter and all of these bad connections that I'm publishing with the scoundrels who are in religion.
01:04:16When you see this mixed with all of that, you have to understand when I publish history,
01:04:20it's not just that I'm publishing the bad history.
01:04:22There's some good things that happen too.
01:04:25So I'm very thankful that you're able to share this story and kind of piece this together for us.
01:04:30Thank you for sharing it.
01:04:31Well, I appreciate you letting me, you know, when this story happened in 87,
01:04:38I just didn't know what to do with it.
01:04:41Right.
01:04:42I mean, how do you talk about this?
01:04:44In 1990, we moved out to California and I tried to tell this story and somebody yelled out from the
01:04:50back of the room, bummer, man, we don't want to hear about people dying.
01:04:54And it was like, somebody shot me through with an arrow.
01:04:57I never told a soul for 17 years.
01:05:01I just carried this thing inside of me.
01:05:03So 20 years of silence, right?
01:05:06Well, when I went at the encouragement of a friend, I went to see a counselor who basically helped me realize that I was dealing with PTSD.
01:05:20And the healing process in having PTSD is you have to tell your story.
01:05:28So this is healing for me.
01:05:31You know what I mean?
01:05:33Just talking about this.
01:05:35I cannot, it's any of you that were in Vietnam or been in an armed conflict, you know, the trauma is etched in your soul.
01:05:45You don't ever forget.
01:05:48All you learn to do is to deal with it, right?
01:05:51Is to cope with it.
01:05:52And the grace of God, God's helped me through a lot of this, but it was a painful story.
01:06:00Really, really, really painful story.
01:06:02And not just losing friends, but the death of a vision that could have transformed a nation.
01:06:08It's just so disappointing.
01:06:11Now, the only thing I can think of is that God creates beauty out of ashes.
01:06:19And the books and the meetings I've had since have just been so healing, right?
01:06:27In other words, there's a whole lot of people that I've been able to help through the process.
01:06:36Like the Africans said to me, they might have lost their lives.
01:06:39We lost our livelihood.
01:06:40Like our whole lives were destroyed, right?
01:06:42They died.
01:06:43But we died too, but in a different way.
01:06:45So, thank you.
01:06:48I really appreciate it.
01:06:52The book is only in e-form right now, but you can find it online if you want to read the whole story.
01:06:58It's pretty powerful.
01:06:59So, thank you, brother.
01:07:01Appreciate it, really.
01:07:03Well, I'll put a link into the description so anybody who's wanting to read it, they can read more.
01:07:07And I believe it's on the website, too, william-branham.org.
01:07:10Well, actually, there's been, funny enough, I didn't tell you this,
01:07:14but there's been a spike in sales.
01:07:17Like, all of a sudden, I'm looking today, I'm like, why is this book selling?
01:07:20And I went, oh, yeah, it's because.
01:07:23Everybody's like, what is, you know, they're probably searching New Adams Farm, right?
01:07:26And now it's like, what's this book?
01:07:28But see, my problem is, is the reason I really appreciate this is the New York Times and all these reporters,
01:07:36I learned the hard way about dealing with these guys, right?
01:07:40They don't really care about the truth.
01:07:41They care about making a name for themselves, and it's all about sensationalism, right?
01:07:48And so, they'll start connecting dots without actually doing their homework.
01:07:52And that's what concerns me, is this is, to me, a sacred story.
01:07:56And I don't want the New York Times or any other people out there to distort this thing because of Vance Bolter.
01:08:03You know what I mean?
01:08:03It's like, Vance Bolter has nothing to do with this story.
01:08:07Nothing, right?
01:08:08In fact, it's like I said to you the other day, Dave Emerson is probably rolling over in his grave right now about what Vance did.
01:08:17Like, Dave was the antithesis of everything that Vance did, right?
01:08:23So, it's like, this is just insane.
01:08:26Well, again, thank you so much for doing this, and I'll put the links in the description.
01:08:29So, if you're listening or watching and you want to read more, you can get the link in the description.
01:08:35So, if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.
01:08:39You can find us at william-branham.org.
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