Married at First Sight Australia season 12 episode 25

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Married at First Sight Australia – Season 12 Episode 25 💔   Episode 25 is a rollercoaster of emotions and tough decisions during Commitment Ceremony 5:   👀 Morning tensions—Jamie & Carina are front and center after their explosive Dinner Party clash, with group members still traumatized.  😶 Lauren & Clint make a bold move—they arrive late and deliver harsh critiques, calling out the group’s behavior as “embarrassing” and “boganic,” prompting sharp responses from the experts.  💥 Experts push back—John Aiken and Mel Schilling hold Lauren accountable for her superior attitude, and Jamie is told her “mother‑bear” defense is no excuse for aggressive outbursts.   🚪 Sudden exit—one couple makes a dramatic decision to leave the experiment, shocking everyone and setting the stage for yet another breakup.   This episode is full of conflict, raw honesty, and hard truths—don’t miss the explosive emotional breakdowns! Stream now and witness the drama that reshapes alliances.   #MAFSAustralia #MarriedAtFirstSight #MAFS2025 #RealityTV #CommitmentCeremony #DinnerPartyFallout #GroupDrama #EmotionalBreakdown #ExpertIntervention #BoldExit #RealityShow #LoveOrLeave #CouplesConflict #HighCPMContent #USAViewers #TrendingTV #ViralEpisode #RelationshipDrama #TVDrama #MustWatchTV

Transcript

00:00:00our newlyweds went on the annual couples retreat was just perfect just have a little reset and

00:00:10the mini coastal getaway it's been good having that chance to connect again proved to be the

00:00:16remedy some desperately needed and we're back to our old selves where we're having fun together

00:00:22the thing is like you are so lucky but when Jamie put Lauren and Clint's marriage under

00:00:29the microscope in real life I would not come to you for relationship advice Lauren did not hold

00:00:34back you're a bunch of wild animals you actually ambushed me last night no no no don't even go

00:00:40there and left Jamie feeling betrayed by the lack of support from friends Ree and Karina I'm a

00:00:46Switzerland I want everyone to come together then stand up for me too Karina I'm so sick of being the

00:00:53bad girl because I speak up but where is my defense and then dinner is served a maths world

00:01:03first saw two dinner parties on the same night what do you reckon's going on over there how are you

00:01:09going to defend Lauren do you want my friends there's no apology while Ree made amends with Jamie I am

00:01:17sorry in that moment I didn't stand up for you finger thank you a defiant Karina felt the full force

00:01:24of Jamie's tirade don't you call me a mean girl you're attacking me no don't tell me to stop

00:01:31Karina I'll shut your mouth oh tonight you're smiling Adrian it doesn't always happen Athena and

00:01:40Adrian's extraordinary turnaround I'm happy you know we're at a great pace right now we're also

00:01:45talking about our next moments together love is on full display at the commitment ceremony can you see

00:01:52yourself falling in love with rape yeah and how's that feel it feels very good it was like a mean

00:02:00girls 2.0 environment a friendship in tatters you keep on doubling down and insulting me with neither

00:02:07Jamie nor Karina backing down I defer to you and your husband when when can the experts mend deep wounds

00:02:15you're embarrassing please just stop talking to me you talk as though you're above them Lauren held to

00:02:22account you've thrown some words around tonight psycho animals I don't associate with this type the

00:02:29experts deliver some hard truths I think you're giving yourself a little bit too much credit here

00:02:34personality-wise oh dang that's the problem though that's your problem

00:02:40it's the morning of the fifth commitment ceremony of the experiment

00:02:55our couples are still feeling the impact of last night's dinner party

00:03:02last night got pretty hectic didn't it it did it really did I didn't expect Jamie and Karina to now

00:03:11be on different sides either I did that didn't get resolved at all Lauren walked off and calling us a

00:03:17bunch of losers like like Jamie was just expressing how she felt and they couldn't see her perspective so

00:03:23it just went around and roundabouts and I'm still confused as to why we're all arguing over a couple

00:03:29who just don't care enough to even show up this morning Jamie has woken up feeling the hangover of

00:03:37her intense fight with Karina at the dinner party that's such an unpleasant way to start the day

00:03:47Karina is certainly not my friend that is for damn sure that is her being a friend or she ain't no

00:03:53friend of mine no she's not my partner she's not my couple two you would say the rest of the group

00:03:59were mean girls asking questions that were mean girls because if I was in that situation I would

00:04:03feel the same way exactly how I am now I'm being defensive of myself you're feeding into this narrative

00:04:10and you are validating delusion I don't validate what she said Jamie I can't fight with someone who has

00:04:16no logic you keep saying things that validate her behavior don't call me a mean girl like that's

00:04:26I mean you want to start the night with mean girl without really the biggest bitch you that conversation

00:04:32was painful talking to her was painful sitting in that chair facing her was painful hearing the words

00:04:39come out of her mouth painful don't don't put your hands in the lying cage babe don't do it doubling

00:04:47down and calling me a mean girl like you know what I mean I'm like why would I want to be friends with

00:04:54that I definitely got my words out your apology from Ray yeah well that's that's that's what I wanted I'm

00:05:01really sorry I hurt you in that moment why I didn't stand up finger thank you that's all I needed I came

00:05:09in hoping that you would come like this you're not meeting me with this stupidity that's why I put

00:05:16you in very different categories she was genuine she was remorseful she was like empathetic to my

00:05:21feelings she validated me I was really hoping to resolve things with rate she's someone like I'm quite

00:05:27close with and so that would have been really hard if her and I like couldn't resolve this I wanted

00:05:33clarity and where I stand with everyone else yeah and the clarity I did get I know exactly where I

00:05:39stand with Karina I've literally dropped enough f-bombs to fill up quite a few swear jars am I proud of my

00:05:48behavior no I feel like Ryan now has to give the title of classes to my mouth because it was brutal

00:06:00I've been the person to have good relationships with pretty much everyone like people do mean

00:06:07something to me friends do mean something to me but like if you actually do manage to hurt me I am

00:06:14going to be like nothing short of ruthless the absence of Lauren and Clint was remarkable for

00:06:21many for many reasons one I didn't have to look at her face for a second longer or break bread with

00:06:28this bitch two it was like case in point where is your mate after her confrontation with Jamie at last

00:06:40night's dinner party Karina is feeling let down by how their disagreement unfolded yeah I'm quite

00:06:48disappointed how the outcome was last night feeling deflated yeah just a bit hurt I obviously cried and

00:06:57was so confused about everything and how it got so blown out of proportion and just was so unnecessary

00:07:04yeah it was not needed at all didn't realize last night was going to pan out the way it did Jamie just

00:07:12attacked me so quickly before I could even give myself a piece of bread but why do you have to say

00:07:19those types of quick like gnarky comments that's what I don't like about Jamie's presence and all right

00:07:26that she just says such gnarky comments and like how she was instantly shutting me down and just what comes out

00:07:32of her mouth I'm just like right now I feel Jamie doesn't want to be a friend of mine and maybe the

00:07:40same goes for me I do not agree with what Lauren said but how Jamie has gone about this whole situation

00:07:48it was probably the most hurtful I have my own voice I found it hard to stand up for myself so yeah I'm

00:08:00I'm nervous about facing Jamie tonight feeling so isolated and just attacked to say the least

00:08:19as our couples prepare for the evening ahead there is one question on everyone's lips

00:08:30Lauren and Clint what do you reckon do you reckon they'll rock up it'd be um it'd be interesting to see if Lauren and Clint come

00:08:35I don't know we'll find out tonight though won't we love yeah Lauren and Clint are gonna get roasted

00:08:43I don't know if um Clint and Lauren are gonna rock up

00:08:50um will Lauren and Clint show up tonight

00:08:53I don't want to have to look at her like I really really don't I just want to hear the expert's

00:09:01perspective on her behavior that's my Christmas present for today I'm really hoping the experts

00:09:08can go yeah like Lauren your behavior's shit you're shit stop being a bitch you're rude

00:09:16get out of here and I'd be like yes I just want the experts to let her have it that would be really

00:09:24like orgasmic it's like my version of like auditory porn

00:09:30hello hi greetings gentlemen hello gents good evening guys good evening how you doing

00:09:55how you doing

00:09:56uh welcome ladies hello ladies

00:10:11come and take a seat

00:10:25I'm gonna have to wait myself

00:10:27no

00:10:29I got you

00:10:33where's Lauren

00:10:38just didn't borrow it

00:10:42hey

00:10:51thank you yes you made it guys well done I thought tonight was gonna be boring that you guys

00:11:01glad for coming did you miss us not really terrible

00:11:04where were you last night guys just didn't want to come

00:11:09we actually had a nice dinner without you so nice didn't want to be a part of this experiment anymore

00:11:15why are you here now they can't learn anything from this experiment apparently the experts can't teach

00:11:22them anything so why bother it's actually got nothing to do with the experts it's more about

00:11:26you that's what you said though with us so what's wrong with us we should have brought some little uh zoo

00:11:33feeding pellets to keep them quiet hold on guys okay welcome it has been clearly a huge week for all of you

00:11:44you've had the couples retreat and last night was the dinner party which left us frankly speechless

00:12:02we clearly have a lot to unpack tonight

00:12:06and with that being said our first couple up on the couch

00:12:15and thank you for joining us lauren and clint

00:12:19hello

00:12:28hey baby

00:12:33all right well let's cut straight to it last night what happened where were you we had a

00:12:40dinner party in our apartment the cocktail party and a dinner party party of two

00:12:47just for both of you it was invite didn't you get it yeah i'm sure you don't get invited to a lot

00:12:52of parties adrian

00:12:57this is a huge reason why we don't enjoy this environment because of the peanut gallery

00:13:02the chirps and the cheap comments

00:13:08so explain what was behind your decision not to come to the group dinner party i can tell me to go

00:13:16yeah yeah i for me it's about um a lot of the standards and values that i know i live to and

00:13:26we share we align on those sort of values and what we've experienced in the social environments dinner

00:13:31parties a couple's retreat aren't the values that i know i don't i don't stand for and live for

00:13:40we just find it an absolute embarrassment so we just chose not to turn up last night

00:13:45and enjoy that again so lauren what happened on retreat um basically i just got attacked by afina

00:13:55jamie and beth at girls night

00:13:58tell me some of the things that were said uh to you they were asking me things about clint like you

00:14:06know what i did and didn't like about clint and it upset me because there's like clint is literally

00:14:13the nicest person probably on this entire planet and for me to have to bring up things and talk about

00:14:19things that you know might be hurtful or upsetting or you know just something that's not positive didn't

00:14:25make me feel good to talk about those things and so that's when i started to cry like i i do feel

00:14:31shut down a lot of the time we're in a group dynamic especially when that lady keeps flapping her mouth

00:14:39constantly so being rude to us up jamie for god's sake shut the by the time we got back wait wait wait wait

00:14:49at the at the start right we gave you the benefit of the doubt we welcomed you with open arms the

00:14:53reason you met with this i guess um frustration is because we we welcomed you in we put our arms around

00:15:02you we went into bat against against elliot for you so like you had every opportunity to open yourself

00:15:08up to the group oh god and get more out of this experiment than anyone else but i've explained to

00:15:15you multiple times that we are not like extroverted personalities we are not like all of them and

00:15:22when we've tried to remove ourselves in social situations it's created more drama and more

00:15:28psycho behavior like psycho behavior and honestly their behavior at social settings is boganic

00:15:36there is no other way to describe it what does that mean it is bogan behavior

00:15:46classless it's like just it's just lacking class i would say i do feel like the behavior at dinner

00:15:52parties which is usually led by the four of you in the corner there is boganic behavior and i stand by

00:15:59that it's because of your behavior yeah the irony it's your behavior dealing with this absolute circus

00:16:06is just honestly mentally draining there's absolutely no point in me even having a discussion with any of

00:16:11you i'm done don't even don't even come to me i'm literally done talking you are so rude to us all

00:16:16you're embarrassing please just stop talking to me do we have a curtain that we can pull across

00:16:23now lauren i've got an issue because you've thrown some words around tonight

00:16:28psycho animals i don't associate with this type of person

00:16:38you talk as though you're above them

00:16:41and they're way below you and they're way below you do you think you're better than them

00:16:58do you think you're better than them

00:17:10because that's what you're saying to them

00:17:29um organic behavior is essentially you got no class i don't have time for you peasants

00:17:44that's what i'm getting tonight and that's what i've heard from this group

00:17:49and i'm challenging you know i'm saying to you is this how you feel because that's what's coming across

00:17:59at the dinner parties and at the couple's retreat i definitely do feel like i would not behave the

00:18:05way that they behave in social situations so for that reason yes i do feel like my behavior is better

00:18:13how's your behavior i don't know adrian why don't you tell me

00:18:17the fact that you can't see your attitude is wild to me like the fact that you cannot see what you are

00:18:23saying he's crazy i think to everyone adrian pipe down guys

00:18:30you know what's quite interesting to me is that when it all went down with elliott

00:18:35when you came back to say your piece elliott had gone the group really rallied around you

00:18:43and now they're sitting here tonight throwing daggers at you

00:18:46how do you explain the fact that the group's turned on you particularly yeah i definitely have

00:18:54a cold hard exterior that is for sure like it does take me a long time to drop my walls and to get to

00:19:03know someone and to let them get to know me and you know people think that you know i'm a

00:19:09bitch or something because i you know maybe i don't know i have resting bitch face apparently

00:19:17and i feel like i get taken the wrong way a lot of the time and then like people get their back up

00:19:21and then i react why do they get their back up um probably because they think that i'm being rude

00:19:27or that i don't like them when it's really just the case that i am shy i am very closed off to begin

00:19:33with no no this time i've got to jump in there is a clear difference between being shy

00:19:41and being rude or being disrespectful i think you're giving yourself a little bit too much credit

00:19:48here getting up personality wise because what we're seeing in terms of the pattern that you're

00:19:55displaying here is rudeness lauren you know john asked you earlier if if you see yourself as

00:20:03above the rest of the group well certainly as outsiders observing you even just your non-verbal

00:20:09communication we would say that it's a resounding yes i think that's the problem though that that is

00:20:15how i'm perceived that's your problem it is my problem yes so what i think would be really helpful

00:20:22here for you in terms of your own development is to start asking yourself what am i doing that's

00:20:27making them feel that way toward me i mean you've acknowledged some of the words the bogans the

00:20:34losers and so on but apart from that i mean are you aware of some of the the throwaway comments for

00:20:41example that the the passive aggressive barbs that you're throwing out to the group or the eye

00:20:46rolling or the you know they're really looking down on these people i feel like in the same

00:20:52conversations though they're calling me names as well again you're blaming them i'm only talking

00:20:57about the same conversation so why is it as a as a mature adult one of your jobs is to take

00:21:02accountability for what you do and say so my concern here is that you're choosing not to look at that

00:21:10stuff at the moment when are you able to do that now

00:21:14yeah it's definitely something that i can work on lauren do you feel like the group conflict has been

00:21:26a distraction to you focusing on a relationship with clint um yeah it's definitely been a major

00:21:33negative part of the experience is the group clint actually said that when there was conflict that you

00:21:39guys your relationship got stronger okay jeff sure yeah because you turned into each other did you not say

00:21:44that okay yep uh-huh yeah we definitely united much more when you guys had to carry on

00:21:52to soothe my curiosity what's going on with you two what is the relationship we get along really well

00:21:59like day-to-day living we actually get along fine but we are really we are friends like we did speak

00:22:08last time about the fact that it was a friendship and it was very clear to me clint at least from

00:22:15your side that you did want to pursue something more than a friendship so what has happened and what

00:22:22has been done to progress the relationship i don't know we just have been getting along and enjoying

00:22:30company but haven't but that wasn't your goal no definitely i definitely came in here to find

00:22:36someone to be intimate and affectionate with for sure but in the last couple of weeks no do you think

00:22:42you were impacted by her not wanting to meet you at that level um i probably got my gut up a little bit

00:22:50not sure if it was something that i wanted to keep advancing i would need i think we're on the same

00:22:59page where we'd probably need to spend more time as friends to see if it would be something like i don't

00:23:04feel like i want to jump into bed with lauren no i don't feel like i want to just yeah i don't feel

00:23:11that right now no clint can i just say something as your mate i'm i'm sitting here and i'm sad brother

00:23:20because you've said you like lauren she's attractive you've gone to bat for her you still put your balls

00:23:26on the line you said at the boys night you had hope for the relationship and now i just i want you to

00:23:32speak from the heart mate like what do you want from this because i've not seen her give you a single

00:23:38thing no support no emotional connection no physical touch so it just makes me sad mate you

00:23:46can like her clean that's the thing sorry mate you can like her you can say you do like her oh yeah

00:23:50it's clear as day listen it's clear as day lauren doesn't like you and that's okay but you can also

00:23:54say you know what i should do like her as a person i do like her and we want to i want to pursue

00:23:57things and if she says no that's all right i don't know why you're beating around the bush and

00:24:05again it's okay to lock her man but why do you all think that i've convinced him to say this

00:24:10we said we would we are friends we've we've we've we've been friends from the beginning and we

00:24:14will continue to be friends outside that is what we've discussed

00:24:21oh i don't know i get a sense that it's different

00:24:31it's my sense from observing you not just tonight but since you've arrived to the experiment that if

00:24:39she had allowed or had opened a window or a door of maybe there's something here you would have been

00:24:46very game early on yeah for sure lauren do you feel like you've put everything you can

00:24:54into this relationship or into attempting to build a relationship with clint

00:25:09i do you're joking are you joking

00:25:13why do you say that um

00:25:21clint and i have been living together for a few weeks now we've done the tasks we've gone on the

00:25:26retreat we've had long conversations we've gone on dates we've you know spent a lot of time together

00:25:32um and we've both agreed um that it's just not it's just not there

00:25:52um

00:26:03lauren do you feel like you've put everything you can

00:26:08into this relationship or into attempting to build a relationship with clint

00:26:13i do you're joking are you joking why do you say that clint and i have been living together for

00:26:24a few weeks now we've had long conversations we've gone on dates we've you know spent a lot of time

00:26:30together and we've both agreed um that it's just not it's just not there

00:26:43two weeks in agreed everything oh i know i feel so sorry for him

00:26:47on that note we're going to go to the decision we're going to go with you first lauren

00:27:08leave in the zoo and another barb oh that's horrible bro i actually feel embarrassed for you

00:27:22like you're actually embarrassing

00:27:27i know i know

00:27:31if you had this again this decision and you wanted to write down something on the card

00:27:36that wasn't condescending and sarcastic and demeaning what would it be leave xx gotcha

00:27:50for you clint what have you got for us well um it's been a um challenging few days i think

00:27:59yeah i think the best thing right now is to also leave it okay

00:28:04thank christ what we're really curious about is we're two from here as a couple as a friendship

00:28:14what are you going to do what are your plans

00:28:18invited to tassie maybe i'll definitely go to tassie

00:28:25there you go fantastic clint do you hope there might be something more

00:28:30well i think if i saw lauren outside of here and or when when i see lauren outside of here it's

00:28:37also about me seeing if lauren's the right person for me it's not just me waiting there for

00:28:41lauren to just jump i get it so if it did look like she was like the right person for me and we

00:28:47our worlds could actually work absolutely i'd love to explore a future what about you lauren um

00:28:53um sure i hope that it does blossom into something but if it doesn't then that's okay too oh come on

00:29:00babe okay

00:29:06this was uh intense uh roller coaster you were you shone brightly uh for a short period of time in here

00:29:14we thank you very much for your time in this experiment thank you thanks for your help good

00:29:19luck for the future oh straight out they're walking straight out the door

00:29:28they're just leaving

00:29:42lauren clint we don't want you to go right now

00:29:48how we do it we do yeah see let's go do you want to stay for the rest of the commitment ceremony

00:29:55we're okay thank you thanks for the offer that's all right

00:30:01at least they're consistent at least they've gone

00:30:06bogans even australia i raced it they're literally crazy

00:30:13our next couple up on the couch afina and adrian

00:30:28hello you two hi guys hello hi guys

00:30:42you're smiling adrian

00:30:46yeah i know first time that doesn't always happen

00:30:49no i'm always smiling but not in this couch here no

00:30:53he's always smiling you know he's about to do something naughty because like the smile comes up like

00:30:56shit how was the couple's retreat for you i really enjoyed the couple's retreat and i left with a

00:31:06smile on my dial i left niles out of perks my step and i feel bad because there was so much turmoil

00:31:11within the group and i was sad for that but i'm here for adrian and our relationship was stronger after

00:31:17leaving this is really nice to see you having so much lightness again

00:31:24how are you feeling about that adrian i'm feeling good you know we started off strong and then

00:31:31obviously went downhill from there but um we're back on you know back on the block going up the hill and

00:31:37i'm happy you know we're at a great place right now we're also talking about our next moments together

00:31:43wow so like on the weekend just gone adrian was already discussing what he wanted to do with me the

00:31:49following weekend and i really loved hearing that because it made me hear i want to spend more time

00:31:55with you and that you know he could just even say i want to go to the tip with you on the weekend but

00:32:02i'm still hearing i want to spend time with you so you've had some validation loads of validation yeah

00:32:13that's wonderful so you feel comfortable enough to um be physically um attentive i guess has that

00:32:23now progressed back into the sexual realm within 24 hours within 24 hours

00:32:33i think we should go to the decision so do i that was the quickest couch session

00:32:41yeah it's obviously obvious that i'm staying it's obviously obvious that adrian is staying

00:32:47all right athena what about you i'm a little sister that's an enthusiastic big thing very enthusiastic

00:32:56we love it we're never getting rid of you adrian

00:33:02you guys can go back to the couch thank you so much well done adrian and athena

00:33:09our next couple up jackie and ryan

00:33:12come and grab a seat hello thank you guys hello hello welcome hello alessandra mel john

00:33:24how are you two well oh okay so ryan has started complimenting me on the thing that's most important

00:33:30to me which is my intellect and he hasn't done that for a while oh yeah fashion as well yeah that too

00:33:36yeah that was yeah yeah she's brilliant you know and it's nice to meet someone who she's probably

00:33:42even slightly above my intellectual level and it's just it's really refreshing you know like yeah

00:33:50but that was big for me like on my letter writing like i wrote about that how i felt like i never get

00:33:55seen by anyone because i get assumed i'm a model or like hot and i never get seen for who i am as a

00:34:02person deep down inside and so like that's really important to me so do you feel like you're on the

00:34:07same page as one another so ryan and i started um getting sexually intimate and i think we've done

00:34:16it like maybe twice or three times and then i was more than that i mean okay i i one morning we woke up

00:34:23and i was like oh should we you know and ryan said oh no like sorry i i can't before the gem

00:34:35then he explained to me that he he would prefer to

00:34:42um save us testosterone for the gym

00:34:45i wasn't expecting you to go there he's saving it for the gym he likes to save his testosterone for

00:34:55dinner parties and can i actually really respected it right it shows discipline in a man and it shows

00:35:09that he's got self-control he obviously values his lifestyle and fitness and body very highly which

00:35:17is actually a huge priority for me so i i see the human not at the expense of your knees yeah that

00:35:21needs to be said yeah but it was at the expense of my knees anyway anyway all right

00:35:31at the retreat i had a girl's chat and everyone's sharing how their relationship's going and i was like

00:35:36has anyone dated a gym boy before like is it true and what was the feedback jackie the feedback was

00:35:44that no one's ever heard of it before no one's ever dated a guy who says his testosterone for the gym

00:35:55i have a question on this whole morning situation

00:36:00and your testosterone you know holding on to

00:36:06and why were you not just pleasuring her

00:36:12um i'm not sure oh dang in what situation sir

00:36:26i have a question on this whole morning situation

00:36:28why were you not just pleasuring her in the morning situation that you wanted to maintain

00:36:39your testosterone in your body you can totally do that and still super pleasure her um i'm not sure oh

00:36:49oh dang so what's up with modern man where did he go

00:36:56oh

00:37:00so are you saying that that particular morning that you're talking about any morning

00:37:05that you want to maintain your testosterone and not be active yourself you can still pleasure your

00:37:10partner yeah for sure that there has to be balance between between our two sets of needs and like

00:37:16they're not identical we're all making light because it is funny but yeah you can get really

00:37:25frustrated if when you have your moment your partner isn't available because of something that

00:37:30he's choosing and there are ways that you can come to you know both of you being satisfied

00:37:38there's no reason for her to be not satisfied just because you haven't been to the gym

00:37:42yeah absolutely and i don't want to i don't want to classify that in those terms either i would

00:37:48never prioritize jim over my partner's niece never

00:37:54it seems like you did that morning no

00:38:05it's not even about like the sex like i honestly don't care

00:38:08but like i feel like often there's just no willingness to compromise you know which is my

00:38:15point there has been compromise there has been from both sides do you hear yourself when you say that

00:38:26because it's quite telling she's saying i don't feel like there's a lot of compromise

00:38:32and you're saying that's simply not true it does confuse me a little bit because she has made a

00:38:41lot of comments about you've changed your behavior so much and now you're the most supportive husband

00:38:46that you've never been before and all these positive things and then say i'm not compromising at all

00:38:50no but because if i wasn't no listen listen because if i if i wasn't then there'd be no change to our

00:38:55energy we wouldn't be in a good place so i just need you to think more carefully when you make these

00:38:59statements because then john rightly jumped on that and it's not 100 the case is it ryan i'm getting

00:39:05uncomfortable with how you're talking to her you're saying to her you need to think more carefully

00:39:13about how you bring up these things you're saying when she speaks that's simply not true

00:39:22your response is to shut her down and talk to her like she's a little school girl

00:39:29oh do you think yes you're like the school principal yes telling her off oh well i'm sorry

00:39:37that wasn't my intention how would how do you go about expressing that in a way that doesn't make me

00:39:42come across as the school principal wait is she crying or laughing oh what's wrong

00:39:59i just feel like it's hopeless i'm just like i've already tried

00:40:17it's not hopeless it's not babe it's not like i feel like i've met with so much like

00:40:26resistance and it's just so hard for me to just push through and like try and like i feel like

00:40:32i'm wading through an ocean where the current's just coming back at me with the relationship you know

00:40:39yeah i am confused and yeah yeah honestly a little bit hurt yeah well there's like obviously good stuff

00:40:44right like that doesn't just credit all the like fun i've been having with you

00:40:48you're right there has been growth yeah you're absolutely right you are a couple that has made

00:40:57huge strides yep is it perfect no

00:41:02are you are you both trying completely yes you're a very different couple

00:41:10but you've got to be more open-minded when people bring things up get curious as opposed to defensive

00:41:18what we're going to do now is go to the decision

00:41:24jackie for me like i genuinely mean it when i say ryan i am enjoying spending time with you i

00:41:32do still want to work with this relationship i want it to be the best it can lovely and that's why

00:41:35i said stay yeah ryan okay i want to keep chatting i want to keep seeing where where it goes good

00:41:46all right thank you guys well done well done

00:41:55ow

00:41:57you just hit her

00:42:04went to put the arm up and her head went back i'm so sorry

00:42:06sorry sorry gang let's get our next couple up

00:42:18elliott and veronica

00:42:20well hello hello well we're doing well um who wants to kick it off

00:42:33we had a great retreat as a couple but now i'm feeling really unsure about my choices this week

00:42:48in what way i guess maybe holding back a little bit to what my normal communication would look like

00:42:56like in order to fit in with elliott

00:43:04so does that mean at the couple's retreat yes that it was a filtered version of you that elliott saw

00:43:14yes i have held back on certain areas that are very big parts of my personality in my relationship

00:43:22with you because i don't want to overwhelm you and i don't feel like we're at that point

00:43:30of comfortability with each other and emotional openness that it will be received well

00:43:36are you saying that the reason why we're getting along is because you were changing your personality

00:43:43like that's that to me is a really big accusation it feels like from my perspective we had a great

00:43:50week total disconnect to you yeah like it it's just baffling to me like it it just seems like like

00:44:01i'm in this experiment with someone that that doesn't really like me like do you think i feel that way

00:44:06as well i'm going to ask you veronica to let him finish before you apologize it just feels like

00:44:16this constant constant uphill battle and like it doesn't feel like i can just like relax do you feel

00:44:24judged yeah 100 percent like the other thing that came out at the dinner party which you know kind of

00:44:33blindsided me was that when we did have our kind of worst week after the first dinner party veronica

00:44:40chose to go and confide in lauren i admit now that going to lauren probably was not the best choice

00:44:49why well because she obviously has her own motivations opinions

00:44:57but i understand why you would be hurt by that and i apologize

00:45:00it's not about being hurt it's about me questioning like what your priorities are here

00:45:10and if we're modifying our personalities we're not truly engaging in the experiment

00:45:20let's sum this up

00:45:21that even after a good week away as a couple at the couple's retreat you're basically saying that

00:45:30neither one of you feel desired or really liked by the other person

00:45:36it's a bit sad but i think we're going to need to go to the decision

00:45:42sadly the way that you're talking right now about one another

00:45:47we kind of feel like we know where this is headed so let's find out stay or leave

00:45:56and let's go with you first

00:46:01veronica

00:46:04so obviously i have made a lot of adjustments that i thought would be beneficial for the relationship

00:46:11and i've realized that maybe they're not and so um

00:46:19no more moderated personality i said stay you're going to stay okay

00:46:28all right elliott's yeah i um i was definitely in two minds i

00:46:35i i decided

00:46:46i was going to give it another week and then if we write stay we write stay if we write leave we write

00:46:51leave

00:46:56all right i'm glad that you've done this it's completely uh confused me but i love it

00:47:01the fact that you've decided to stay means we can deal with that the way you're going to deal with

00:47:09it veronica you're going to start by just being yourself and you're going to embrace her but

00:47:18give them a chance to do it you're going to have to do this differently

00:47:21and with that you can go back to the group

00:47:39coming up i'm so sorry i will cut you off

00:47:44jamie gets called out for her behavior at last night's dinner party

00:47:49mama bears don't do this to their cubs they just don't

00:48:07our next couple up on the couch we and jeff

00:48:10hello hello hello hello hey you two welcome thank you how has the week been for you two

00:48:24it's been a big week uh-huh um yeah obviously as we've heard there's been a lot of drama

00:48:30and uh yeah it's taken a little bit of a toll on uh probably re more so than myself um seeing re

00:48:42how she's been um you know a bit off and not her normal self it's hard for me to see and it actually

00:48:48hurts me inside i guess it's demonstrated to me how much i actually genuinely do care for re

00:48:54i want to help her as best i can and i really do care about how she feels and i do truly hate seeing

00:49:01her upset yeah it just it did really affect me when i saw her like that

00:49:09listening to you describe your experience this week jeff and the way that you're caring for re

00:49:14it's really throwing out signs of you know this relationship's got legs it's gonna go somewhere

00:49:23it definitely has legs can you see yourself falling in love with re

00:49:27oh hard hitting um yeah um yeah i think i think i'm on the right path to feeling that way um yeah

00:49:40especially over the last like two or three weeks like the feelings are getting a lot deeper and last

00:49:44week definitely demonstrated that for me so yeah i'm uh i'm optimistic about it

00:49:49that's how you know where to look yeah like you look me in the eye and say that he's very cute

00:50:00re did you hear what he just said that he does see himself falling in love with you

00:50:06yes i did hear that and how's that feel it feels very good it feels very good

00:50:13i kind of didn't know where to look to be honest i'm like yeah

00:50:15yeah have you heard him say anything like that before no wow it's pretty crazy to hear it as well

00:50:25considering obviously where we came from yeah and having dated before just thought that you know

00:50:30we'd go through the experiment figure out that we're friend zoned and that was it i didn't realize

00:50:36that we would be here right like at this point in the experiment so re what about from your

00:50:41perspective can you see yourself falling in love with jeff i can

00:50:50jeff is still blushing i know

00:50:56i've got to say this is really cute

00:51:00my smile is really wide and i can't yes it is it's a huge smile yes and we are so happy for the

00:51:05two of you as well i think it's time to go to the decision perfect i am writing stay fabulous no

00:51:13surprises here stay

00:51:17well done you guys thank you so much thanks guys

00:51:19our next couple up on the couch beth and tj

00:51:32thank you howdy howdy hello how are you going very good good to see you guys you too hello where are you

00:51:41out how are you going i'll start he's amazing i feel so comfortable with him we've established a

00:51:49really good friendship but i feel

00:51:55that tj's maybe not attracted to me

00:52:03it's not really anything that he's doing i think

00:52:05obviously we did sleep together a few weeks ago and i think because we kind of ripped the band-aid off

00:52:13and we we were intimate and then it stopped for me i'm thinking oh maybe he's not attracted to me

00:52:20and he doesn't want to do that again i always wait for the guy to initiate everything

00:52:27because i've got this belief about myself that i won't be good enough for someone

00:52:33i try to ignore the voice in my head and you know hype myself and be like you are pretty you are

00:52:39worthy you know and tell myself all those things but i think it still kind of lives in my head a

00:52:44little bit tj do you feel sexual chemistry with beth it does confuse me hearing beth say that she

00:52:52doesn't think that i'm attracted to her because i i felt like i was doing those things like acts of

00:52:57service words of affirmation doing all these things i make it known to beth that i'm particularly a fan

00:53:02of her backside i like smack on the butt every chance i get it's one thing to admire a beautiful

00:53:08woman like beth is it's a very different thing to be attracted to that beautiful woman you can admire

00:53:14and not necessarily want to go i don't think that i would be as touchy-feely with beth if i wasn't

00:53:20attracted to her like i just wouldn't do that why do you not just grab her and kiss her

00:53:26i've taken i guess a step back in that aspect because i felt like the reciprocation wasn't there

00:53:32because i crave a sense of being wanted i want my partner to equally want me as much as i want them

00:53:37and i hope that it's a word to you that i definitely am attracted to you as well too

00:53:40by the things that i do i do not know a single human who doesn't want to feel desired by their partner

00:53:48it is important beth that you are able to let tj know about how desirable you find him

00:53:55don't make it a bigger deal than it needs to be if it's just confusion in communication yeah

00:54:04i think it's time for the decision i'm staying staying with a smiley face and a little kiss

00:54:10i'm not done with you yet love you know it was an easy stay for me um just to see where the

00:54:19connection could take us as well great thanks thank you so much thank you i must say s is for

00:54:27staying and sexy time just keep it down tonight and put a sock on the door knob or something

00:54:32our next couple up on the couch karina and paul

00:54:42so we're going to go straight to last night

00:54:51karina we certainly observed quite a level of tension between yourself and jamie

00:54:57based on your differing opinions about clinton lauren

00:55:00what was going on for you um somehow i've been caught and brought into

00:55:09the crazy drama that's happening

00:55:18the behavior that i saw at the girls night was something i don't stand for

00:55:23for from both ends but it was like a mean girls 2.0 environment it was like one girl against

00:55:34a few girls i don't i don't stand by that behavior you're still suggesting that i'm a mean girl

00:55:42i didn't specifically say that you're a mean girl the environment was a mean girl environment jamie

00:55:47oh good lord make sense of this because i can't it's actually frustrating speaking to you you keep

00:55:54on doubling down and insulting me i don't understand how she's insulting you the only reason i was in

00:55:59confrontation is because your mate made comments saying i don't care about your opinion she saw

00:56:05the going i'm so bored of this why am i getting involved in that i'm not and i defend all that i

00:56:11defended you and your husband who are in this experiment when when jamie when i can't

00:56:17i actually i actually can't be a part of this i actually can't be a part of this i really can't

00:56:20i promise you so frustrating oh jesus christ

00:56:30i defended you and your husband who are in this experiment when when jamie when

00:56:36i can't i actually i actually can't be a part of this i really can't i promise you it's so frustrating

00:56:41do I'm friends with everyone so for some reason because I didn't agree with how some of the

00:56:52girls reacted towards Lauren I'm now getting accused or I'm I'm not a good friend to Jamie

00:56:59oh Jesus Christ I'm sorry that I offended you and hurt you but I don't want this animosity

00:57:07between anyone I'm trying to make everyone be friends that's it okay you found yourself in a

00:57:21situation where you had offered support to Lauren yeah and the group was turning against you

00:57:27what was that like for you um it was hard it was really tough because I didn't want to I didn't

00:57:36want it to turn out that way I just felt like everything was completely blown out of proportion

00:57:40and somehow I got involved for trying to mend everything I'm coming from a good place I'm not

00:57:48the one throwing words out there and last night I felt like I I was like cornered yeah and it was a

00:57:59very uncomfortable feeling and I did not want to be there I felt really like sad and I felt uncomfortable

00:58:09and I felt like less worthy hmm less worthy yeah and I'm I'm not intelligent enough to say that

00:58:29last night at the dinner party did you feel like your voice was heard not really I I tried to express my

00:58:43feelings and I felt like my feelings are invalid or they're dumbed down and I don't feel confident in that

00:58:52environment because maybe I express my words differently to some of the other girls maybe

00:58:59I'm not as quick to the mark as some of the other girls are maybe I take time to digest how I feel and

00:59:04then I make the executive decision to open my mouth Karina I'm noticing in your voice that this is really upsetting

00:59:13upsetting you it's not a nice feeling it's not why is it so distressing because I guess yeah I don't know

00:59:23like growing up I I'm a baby of five so it was hard to get your voice across and you know that's just how

00:59:35how it goes and how it went so yeah it's kind of like bringing back a little bit of trauma so I just

00:59:42want to like abort the situation and that's why I think I try and preach like what you give is what

00:59:50you'll get in return and just being kind to everyone or if you have nothing I say don't say it at all

00:59:55I did not sleep last night and I kept thinking about Jamie and I kept thinking about everyone

01:00:05and I was racking my brain as to how like how did it get to this point because I don't think that's

01:00:13how friends act towards one another if we're friends and I wish I could change it but yeah I don't know how

01:00:22what I want to say to you is this well done thank you because it is difficult to stand up against

01:00:45the group to go against the grain and you did that so well done that took courage

01:00:51it's great that you've got that support here and Paul yeah I see that yeah I'm very lucky

01:01:01because last night I was like I just want to koala bear him in bed and I like wrapped myself around him

01:01:07like a little kid yeah yeah seeing Karina and like literally hearing the thing that she just said

01:01:14that makes me feel extremely sad but sometimes things happen for a reason and it just made me

01:01:19you know appreciate her even more but I just care for this woman so much

01:01:24you know I just I just don't want to lose her all right we're going to go to the decision now

01:01:31sure Paul we'll start with you sure well I definitely want to continue this adventure

01:01:37with this beautiful woman and I have no attention to leave so

01:01:42oh well that's nice riding oh that's a nice love very nice day by the time as well

01:01:50and Karina yes well I'm like did she copy me

01:01:57two hearts love it have a great week

01:02:04our last couple up on the couch

01:02:14Jamie and Dave

01:02:17hello you two hey guys hello I know I'm in trouble why do you say that because I know I know how I

01:02:31conducted myself last night so take us there then to last night what was it that took you into this

01:02:39completely different version of Jamie um like so obviously after girls night there was like a clear

01:02:49like issue that we had with Lauren the night that I got into that garden party argument it felt like

01:02:55no one was speaking up for me when I've always had people's backs and I feel like I have defended so

01:03:01many people and in that moment I felt so much pain Lauren sat there smug going where are you mates and

01:03:12that killed me so Lauren shamed you humiliated you I felt very humiliated like if I don't remember the

01:03:23last time I felt pain like that to be honest I know I'm strong but like I am very sensitive and

01:03:30my heart is very big and unfortunately like when I feel that kind of pain that I never want to

01:03:36feel I come out swinging yeah I'm someone that you've probably seen time and time again I defend

01:03:45the cubs I'm like a mother bear with her cubs I'm very protective over the people around me

01:03:55I just haven't I don't know I've just naturally taken this role it just is my it's like a part of

01:04:04like guess like my personal values like you know I see bad behavior and I call it out I'm sorry

01:04:11I'm so sorry I will cut you off mama bears don't do this to their cubs

01:04:20I see bad behavior and I call it out I'm sorry I'm so sorry I will cut you off

01:04:48mama bears don't do this to their cubs

01:04:52they just don't

01:04:57so the self-description of mama bear as an excuse

01:05:03not flying

01:05:06if what happened at the retreat was anywhere near the vicinity of what we saw last night

01:05:16I can certainly see how your friends were intimidated by you and did not want to step in

01:05:23you know there's a saying in Spanish

01:05:26el camino al infierno está empedrado de buenas intenciones

01:05:31and what that means is the road to hell is paved by good intentions

01:05:37I don't doubt your good intentions Jamie I really don't

01:05:43but people need to be able to have differing opinions

01:05:46they need to be able to be heard

01:05:48they need to be able to not feel drowned out and shut up

01:05:52it is interesting in the entire situation that the woman who was originally hurtful

01:06:00Lauren

01:06:02clearly didn't end up being the person most hurt in this situation

01:06:07she's not even here in the room

01:06:13she wasn't here last night when everybody was chewing each other out

01:06:20seems almost like her goal was achieved

01:06:25she won

01:06:29she came out on top no

01:06:33how do you feel at this moment about everything that's been said here tonight

01:06:43about your behavior and your choices

01:06:46I think it's just like now I'm feeling embarrassed

01:06:52I guess ashamed

01:06:55I feel like I've let Dave down

01:07:00I feel like I've let myself down

01:07:05I was on like such a good trajectory

01:07:07it's like essentially I'm calling out bad behavior

01:07:11and then I took it and multiplied it by a thousand

01:07:14it's like well if you can be that I can do it better

01:07:17essentially

01:07:18and because I just couldn't

01:07:23process the hurt in a healthy way

01:07:27it came out in a really nasty way towards other people

01:07:31Karina especially

01:07:36I said

01:07:40the things I did say to you

01:07:47were completely unacceptable

01:07:48and I know that

01:07:50my behavior was unacceptable

01:07:52a thousand percent

01:07:56I'm sorry

01:07:58how I spoke to you

01:08:01conducted myself

01:08:03my aggression

01:08:04just everything

01:08:06the comments

01:08:06the demeanor

01:08:07and I'm sorry I made you feel

01:08:09stupid

01:08:11less than

01:08:12unimportant

01:08:12or small

01:08:13or you wanted to remove yourself

01:08:16that is

01:08:19that is my behavior

01:08:20that was wrong

01:08:21and I'm sorry

01:08:22thank you Jamie

01:08:24I really appreciate that apology to Karina

01:08:35I was I'm in the wrong

01:08:37like I'm in the wrong

01:08:39and as much as I want

01:08:40wanted to walk out last night

01:08:43like you know big ego

01:08:44and that's the thing

01:08:46unfortunately like

01:08:47my hurt does put me in a corner

01:08:49where I come out swinging

01:08:51I've been hurt so many times

01:08:55that my natural response

01:08:56is to come forward with aggression

01:08:58and protect myself

01:08:59and hurt someone as much as I can

01:09:02that's hurt me

01:09:03and it's wrong

01:09:04and it's something I haven't had to do

01:09:07in years

01:09:08and the like the fact that

01:09:10I'm even in this place

01:09:12is just really disappointing

01:09:16Lauren said some really

01:09:19really horrible things

01:09:21that is not lost on me

01:09:24it's not lost on any of us

01:09:26of course

01:09:27it's not

01:09:28I do understand

01:09:30and also like many people in the group

01:09:33do not agree

01:09:34with the things that Lauren was saying

01:09:36I understand how that can get

01:09:38under someone's skin

01:09:39and I understand how offended

01:09:41many of you must have felt

01:09:43of course

01:09:46that is understandable

01:09:48she was conducting herself horribly

01:09:52but when you see somebody

01:09:55conduct themselves horribly

01:09:57and are impacted

01:09:58by that horrible behavior

01:10:00perhaps emulating that

01:10:03and bringing it to the umph degree

01:10:06is not the way to go

01:10:07in that fight

01:10:12simply because of the way

01:10:13that you are doing things

01:10:15the point is missed

01:10:17you never win

01:10:21you become worse than the perpetrator

01:10:26Jamie

01:10:36when it comes to your relationship

01:10:38with Dave

01:10:40and I guess the experiences

01:10:43that you've had this week

01:10:44which have been

01:10:45very intense

01:10:46how are you feeling

01:10:49at the moment

01:10:50well

01:10:52even though this has like

01:10:54been a really tough couch session

01:10:55and I still have loved

01:10:57this experiment with him

01:10:58and not to sound cliche

01:11:00but like the retreat

01:11:02has brought us closer together

01:11:03because you saw me

01:11:05from with so much hurt

01:11:06and your instinct

01:11:09was to protect me

01:11:10and I appreciate

01:11:12everything you've done for me

01:11:13and the support I've received

01:11:15so I think for the first time

01:11:17in my life I just get to

01:11:19feel the good feels

01:11:20and keep on experiencing

01:11:22all this amazing joy

01:11:24that we have

01:11:25within our little home

01:11:26and within this experiment

01:11:27like we truly are having

01:11:29the best experiment

01:11:30and so I kind of saw an opportunity

01:11:37I covered his mouth

01:11:41and I said I'm going to say something

01:11:42and I don't want you to say anything

01:11:43and I said I love you

01:11:48like I really love you

01:11:49now goodnight

01:11:51and I totally went to bed

01:11:53that's very big

01:11:56I was trying to keep it buried inside me

01:11:59but I'm not going to suppress how I feel

01:12:04so you haven't set it back

01:12:19no

01:12:24do you feel that's a place

01:12:28where you can see yourself landing

01:12:29I mean this experiment

01:12:33like we've really done it properly

01:12:35like we have

01:12:36and

01:12:38I don't think you can do this

01:12:40you can do this properly

01:12:42and not fall in love

01:12:43I want to own my feelings

01:12:51and

01:12:54I am in tune with his emotions

01:12:58I understand what's going on here

01:13:00and

01:13:05and so

01:13:06he gives me enough assurance

01:13:10and security

01:13:10where I know

01:13:11that that is

01:13:13that is within him

01:13:15and it is going to come to the surface

01:13:17but I'm also patient understanding

01:13:19I think we're going to go to the decision

01:13:40I'm so pleased

01:13:45I want to get off this couch

01:13:47let's see

01:13:48yeah I'm staying

01:13:56I also have decided to stay

01:14:01which may come as a shock

01:14:02but yeah

01:14:05have a great week

01:14:07thank you guys

01:14:08thank you

01:14:09tomorrow night

01:14:33oh my god

01:14:36what

01:14:37are you

01:14:39are you lying

01:14:40what's happening

01:14:41the experiment enters a critical new phase

01:14:45we have decided to bring back

01:14:47a polarising element

01:14:49of feedback week

01:14:50the partner swap

01:14:51over two big nights

01:14:53feedback week will see temporary new pairings

01:14:57honey I'm sorry

01:14:58Jackie will pack her bags

01:15:00and move in with Jeff

01:15:01Beth will pack her bags

01:15:02and move in with Ryan

01:15:04as these new combinations

01:15:06offer fresh perspective

01:15:08Rhi and Jeff

01:15:09I see them as a kind of a model couple

01:15:11maybe there's something I can learn from this

01:15:13while some embrace feedback week

01:15:15and the partner swap

01:15:17that's really constructive

01:15:18do you honestly think Dave and I

01:15:20will last be on this experiment

01:15:22no

01:15:24others will be put to the ultimate test

01:15:29I don't want to be

01:15:30doing this

01:15:31what threatens to derail

01:15:33Paul's marriage to Karina

01:15:35that is so wrong

01:15:37I'm quite scared

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