- 6/30/2025
In this episode of Drag Me, Vivian Wilson gets her first "real deal" drag makeover from the ever-talented Sasha Colby, best known from her iconic appearance on season 15 of 'RuPaul's Drag Race.' The two discuss their careers, what it was like to become "that bitch," and so much more.
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00:00When was the first time you realized like,
00:01you were truly that bitch?
00:03How do I say this like, and not sound big-headed?
00:06No, absolutely, sound big-headed.
00:08You are Sasha Colby.
00:09I honestly always knew, like at a very young age,
00:12I was just waiting for the world to catch up.
00:14Period.
00:15Hey them, it's Sasha Colby,
00:16and I'm here to drag Vivian Wilson.
00:19Oh.
00:25Oh my God.
00:30What is the goddess's vision?
00:33All right, so like, you know, she's a model.
00:36Yes.
00:37She's in fashion.
00:39So I'm thinking like high fashion,
00:41like 70s, 80s, fun little lion's mane of a hair,
00:45because I mean.
00:46I have a biological bust down.
00:47You do have a biological bust down.
00:49But I'm gonna give you the Sasha Colby snatch.
00:51Yes.
00:52So what was your like, first introduction to drag?
00:55I do wish it wasn't a TV show, but it was, obviously.
00:58I mean like, I am 21, so I feel like that's reasonable.
01:00Now I heard people in my QS studio,
01:02which was Queer Street Union,
01:04talking about this drag queen named Jujubee,
01:06and I was like, who is that?
01:07Jujubee?
01:08Yeah.
01:09She's everyone's first.
01:10She's been on a lot of franchises, so.
01:12Yeah, that makes sense.
01:14I can feel the tightness of this.
01:16Yes, the snatch is snatching.
01:17Yeah, it's very snatched.
01:19So what was your first introduction to drag?
01:21I feel like I was 18, no 17.
01:24I snuck into an 18 and over bar in Hawaii.
01:27Oh my.
01:28How scandalous.
01:29I know, to watch this drag show.
01:31Mm-hmm.
01:31And it was just like the best that Hawaii had to offer.
01:35It was trans drag.
01:37It was a lot of dancing.
01:39Like, I remember this beautiful woman was doing the hula.
01:42Oh, I love that.
01:43It was like, sign me up.
01:44Yeah.
01:44So I literally shook hormones right after that.
01:46Oh, really?
01:47Yes.
01:48Because I was like, oh, you can be a drag queen and be trans.
01:51Yes.
01:52Now we're going to bring this in the back.
01:53My hair keeps getting worse.
01:54Because you have so much hair.
01:54Sorry.
01:55I have to never apologize for your beauty, darling.
01:57Oh, goodness.
01:58And now we're just going to go into makeup,
01:59and then we can finish up the hair after we give you
02:02this drag mug.
02:05OK, besides the obvious, not because I'm in the room,
02:08but like, who's your favorite drag queen?
02:10Like, who do you enjoy?
02:11I mean, it's you.
02:12Well.
02:12I was asked to put down, like, who's your hero on an application,
02:15and I wrote your name.
02:16Before I met you, and now I'm here.
02:19This is actually mega coconuts.
02:21Sasha, Colby, who are your favorite drag queens?
02:25Ooh, who are my favorite drag queens?
02:27OK.
02:27Or drag kings.
02:28Or drag royals.
02:29Drag royal.
02:30Or drag monsters.
02:30I do love a Landon cider.
02:32I love Landon.
02:33I love my daughter, Bitch Pudding.
02:35Oh, she's your daughter?
02:36Yes.
02:37I didn't know that.
02:38Winner of Dragula.
02:39Winner of Dragula.
02:40She's incredible.
02:41As far as, like, drag race girls, who I think is amazing,
02:46and I would not want to go up against them, would be Kennedy
02:49Davenport.
02:50Oh my god, yes.
02:51For sure.
02:51Like, she's the ultimate for me.
02:53She is like the Simone Biles of drag.
02:56Yes.
02:56I noticed when you're on your videos, your social media, and you're
03:00serving it to the camera like you were doing your runway walks, I was
03:04like, oh, she's making sure that she's ready to do so if she has to.
03:09Well, yes.
03:10I, in my mind, I like lip sync all the time, like, alone in my room.
03:17Uh-huh.
03:18I am very that.
03:19What's your favorite lip sync song?
03:20Oh my god.
03:21Like, when I'm, like, alone in my room, just, like, vibing, and just, like,
03:25giving it all to the stuffed animals on my bed.
03:27Yes.
03:28I like, like, trashy Europop.
03:29That's, like, my favorite thing.
03:30Work.
03:31Erica Vickman.
03:32Okay, I need to Spotify these.
03:33Erica Vickman, like, makes, like, Finnish songs, and I don't speak Finnish, but I can lip sync in Finnish.
03:37I love that.
03:39Yeah.
03:40I can kind of, like, because of Selena, I can kind of lip sync in Spanish, but I shouldn't be talking in Spanish.
03:44Yeah.
03:45I think I modeled myself after, like, a fierce girl, my best friend Lindsay, who was my friend in high school.
03:51Oh, that's so sweet.
03:52Yeah.
03:53And she was just, like, that really hot girl in school that I was, like, obsessed over.
04:00The boys were teasing me because I was, like, way too feminine.
04:04Mm-hmm.
04:05And we kind of just became these, like, inseparable friends, but I noticed, like, when I transitioned, like, my idea was to, like, not be a girl and, like, not be trans, but, like, be my best friend Lindsay.
04:17I want it to look like, um, like, blonde bust-down Bayonetta, but ultimately I don't know if I succeeded in that goal.
04:24But I haven't even played Bayonetta.
04:26I just think she's, like, really cunty.
04:28This is a video game character.
04:29Okay.
04:30Hot.
04:31They're gonna make fun of you for not knowing that.
04:32Yes, for sure.
04:33I don't really know for a drag name.
04:34Like, what?
04:35I don't really have any.
04:36I do kind of want to, like, one and done it.
04:37Uh-huh.
04:38Because I feel like people change their names.
04:39Yeah, I'd want to keep on changing.
04:40Yeah, I don't want to do that.
04:41That's the hard part.
04:42I've changed my name enough times.
04:43I'm trans, okay?
04:44The one time was enough.
04:45Yeah, I never did.
04:46No, it was, like, three times.
04:47Oh, really?
04:48Last name.
04:49Okay.
04:50My middle name.
04:51And then Vivian.
04:52Three basic white girl names.
04:53There was a video game character named Vivian.
04:55Okay.
04:56It was from this, like, game called Paladins.
04:57Like, it's very, um, adult and proper, and I love that.
05:00It also means alive.
05:02Ugh.
05:03Which just taught me something.
05:05So how did you get the name Sasha Colby?
05:07Well, Colby...
05:08You're from the house of Colby, right?
05:09Yeah.
05:10Colby's, like, looking for me?
05:11Yeah.
05:12Colby's my drag mama from Hawaii.
05:14Mm-hmm.
05:15I also just wanted, like, a, like, a, what I thought was exotic.
05:18Like, an exotic, like, Eastern European model.
05:21Is Sasha an exotic name?
05:23I mean, like, for a Hawaiian, yeah.
05:25You know what?
05:26Actually, that's fair.
05:27I've always wanted to be, like, a strong, like, fuck off.
05:30Yeah.
05:31Bad bitch.
05:32Mm-hmm.
05:33That, like, you'll fall in love with her, but she might...
05:35Kill you.
05:36Kill you.
05:37Yeah.
05:38Yeah.
05:39Like a siren.
05:40Yes.
05:41Yeah.
05:42When was the first time you realized, like, you were truly that bitch?
05:43How do I say this, like, and not sound big-headed?
05:46No, absolutely, sound big-headed.
05:47You are Sasha fucking Colby.
05:49I honestly always knew, like, at a very young age, I was just waiting for the world to catch
05:53up.
05:54Period.
05:57Okay, we're gonna do the Crucial Eyeliner.
05:59We're gonna go on this journey together, all right?
06:00Yes.
06:01Has it been, like, challenging for you as, like, a trans woman who does drag?
06:04It was hard when I moved to LA, because I came from, you know, Hawaii was pretty trans drag,
06:09and there was space for trans women in there.
06:11Mm-hmm.
06:12And, like, a lot of, like, trans men doing drag in Hawaii.
06:14When I moved here, actually, to LA, with the intention of wanting to get on Drag Race,
06:19like, you know, a lot of my continental sisters was like, oh, like, girl, they don't have, like,
06:23they don't feature the dolls there, like, how are you gonna do it?
06:26How are you gonna do it?
06:27And I was like, I'm not too sure, but I'm gonna figure it out.
06:30Well, you are Sasha Colbert.
06:31Um, by hook or by crook, but...
06:34Did you, like, know, like, you were gonna get on?
06:37No, actually, I didn't.
06:38Really?
06:39I didn't really feel safe to, like, even audition, because I never saw anyone like me that went
06:43far until I saw, like, Sonique actually go back for All Stars and win.
06:48Mm-hmm.
06:49And I saw Got Mick, you know, a trans man doing...
06:52Drag.
06:53Fem drag, you know?
06:54Well, I grew up in the age of the internet.
06:56A lot of YouTubers were, like, my first, like, introduction to the trans experience.
07:01Natalie Nguyen, Abigail Thorne, Kat Blatt, a lot of, like, video essayists.
07:05Okay.
07:06Yeah.
07:07Those are the icons.
07:09Yeah, of, like, modern trans internet.
07:11Yeah, love that.
07:12What is one thing that, like, younger trans people like myself should, like, understand?
07:18I feel like you're really good at, um, understanding your history.
07:23But I would like to see a lot more community building with the generations of trans.
07:29Yeah.
07:30I get really moved when I go home to Hawaii, and we have, like, these big, like, beach parties.
07:34Mm-hmm.
07:35And it's, like, four generations of trans women.
07:36I love that.
07:37Trans people.
07:38And you just look around, and these are the women that raised me, and then these are the
07:42up-and-coming news that we get to, like, be an example for.
07:45So I really think, like, community is so important.
07:47Know the girls that came before you.
07:48Exactly.
07:49And honor those girls.
07:50I love, like, watching, like, the New York ball scenes and seeing them honor, like, the
07:54legends and the icons.
07:55Yeah.
07:56You know, we take for granted when we see, you know, a lot of representation.
08:00So we gotta remember that it wasn't always like this.
08:02Yeah.
08:03Exactly.
08:04Oh, this is crunchy.
08:05Yes.
08:06We are shellacked.
08:07Oh.
08:08What the fuck?
08:09This is so weird.
08:10Drag is weird.
08:12Yeah.
08:13Hey, close your eyes for a moment.
08:14Mm-hmm.
08:15Yeah, just relax and close.
08:17My coming out story, I was pretty much outed by the nosy people in my church.
08:24Oh, sure.
08:25And they were pretty much telling my family that I was gay and I was hanging around with
08:32all these, like, people at nightclubs and stuff.
08:34Mm-hmm.
08:35How did they know?
08:36That were at the club.
08:37Yeah.
08:38Stop playing.
08:39Exactly.
08:40Wait, hold on.
08:41Yes.
08:42It takes one to know well.
08:43Yeah.
08:44So I kind of was forced to come out.
08:45Damn.
08:46As trans.
08:47Mm-hmm.
08:48Ran away from home before so I wouldn't get beat up.
08:49Oh, my goodness.
08:50Um, yeah.
08:51And when I was a safe distance and an ocean away, I came out and, yeah, my parents were really
08:57not, you know, well with it.
08:59They're older, too.
09:00Like, they kept on thinking that they did something wrong.
09:03Like, oh, what did we do wrong to make you like this?
09:05And I was like, nothing.
09:06Actually, you did everything right, surprisingly.
09:08But, like, you taught me how to have a good moral compass and how to go for what I wanted
09:13and not listen to anybody else.
09:15Oh, hell no.
09:16I'm doing this because I literally cannot stand the skin I'm in.
09:18And if I don't, I'm gonna scream.
09:20I already told you, like, I'm a bit of a scaredy-cat when it comes to, like, sometimes
09:23saying my truth.
09:24How does it feel to, like, have so much kickback on the online community from, like, just,
09:29you know, the other side?
09:31Well, the other side is usually wrong.
09:33So, I mean, they're wrong about most things.
09:35So, if they talk about me in a negative light, that usually means I'm doing something correct.
09:38What did Trixie say?
09:39Well, God isn't real.
09:40God isn't real.
09:41I am.
09:42Yes.
09:43Okay, so, I mean, you are red hot right now, right?
09:48You're blowing up on TikTok.
09:49You're all over the place.
09:51How does it feel, like?
09:52My friends, like, read me to film on a constant basis, which helps me not get too big of an ego.
09:57What are some, like, bucket list goals you want to do for, like, career-wise, like, let's
10:02say modeling?
10:03Let's manifest it right now.
10:04Let's send it on to the universe.
10:05I wanna walk runway, obviously.
10:07A dream runway?
10:08A dream designer?
10:09Schiaparelli.
10:10Schiaparelli.
10:11I love Schiaparelli.
10:12I love Schiaparelli.
10:13It's incredible.
10:14You talk a lot about, like, manifestation.
10:16Yeah.
10:17A lot.
10:18And it worked for Drag Race.
10:20Yeah!
10:21I mean, hello!
10:22I've always been a heavy manifester.
10:24I've just been kind of aware how much power we have.
10:29I realized that my focus was always focusing on looking at the world in a scary place and
10:33as somewhere that I had to be fearful of.
10:36And once I realized that the world is my playground and that I can make the world that I want and
10:42really, like, believe it.
10:44Fucking believe it.
10:45Period.
10:46When no one else and everyone is telling you different.
10:48There's no other option but for it to manifest.
10:51That unshakable belief that, like, everything will always work out.
10:55So now we are pretty much done with the glam.
10:58I'm going to finish the hair.
10:59I wore this hair for when I did the entrance.
11:02Yeah!
11:03No, I recognized it immediately.
11:04Yes!
11:05It was my Hawaiian goddess hair.
11:06Is this the same one?
11:07It is the same one.
11:08Oh shit!
11:09This is history.
11:10You've got history on you.
11:11Yeah.
11:12This is crazy.
11:13You actually have, like, a beautiful bust down.
11:15Yes.
11:16The biological bust down.
11:17Oh my god.
11:18Like...
11:19You're in drag, you know?
11:20It is really weird seeing myself without the biological bust down.
11:23Ow.
11:24Well, especially...
11:25Pain is beauty.
11:26Pain is beauty.
11:27And I'm in a lot of pain.
11:29The biological...
11:30So she's really beautiful.
11:31The biological bust down is crying.
11:34My head feels so heavy.
11:36So heavy.
11:37And this is my lighter hair.
11:38This is your lighter hair?
11:40This is my lighter hair.
11:41Girl.
11:42I can barely move.
11:43How did you do this?
11:45How do you perform in this?
11:46For hours.
11:47For hours.
11:48You're looking at names still.
11:49Yeah.
11:50I feel like I would just, like, keep Vivian.
11:52I feel like Vivian is such a fierce name.
11:54Yeah.
11:55Like, I already chose it.
11:56I was feeling that.
11:57Yeah.
11:58Like, you did have a journey coming to that.
11:59Yeah.
12:00Like, Sasha's, like, me on stage and off stage.
12:03Yeah.
12:04Okay.
12:05Well, this is your gown.
12:06I wanted, like, this, like, 70s disco moment.
12:07Okay.
12:08Let me see what this looks like on a model body.
12:10All right.
12:11Go get it.
12:12Let's see this glam, baby.
12:13Bringing to the stage her first time in drag.
12:16Let's hear it for her with her new drag name, Vivian Colby.
12:23Mama.
12:24Look at our golden, bronze, copper goddess.
12:28Sounds like money.
12:29I see it.
12:30It does.
12:31It's giving Cher.
12:32It's giving Halston.
12:33It's giving, I mean, Jerry Hall.
12:35What?
12:36How do you feel, Mama?
12:37I feel great.
12:38I feel gorgeous.
12:39I feel like a lioness.
12:40Ooh.
12:41I love that.
12:48I am in so much unbelievable pain right now.
12:50And she's doing drag right.
12:52Barely move.
12:54That's why a lot of the girls, they look really angry.
12:56Cause it hurts.
12:57Drag hurts.
12:58It really does.
12:59Holy fuck.
13:00I can feel every single follicle on my scalp.
13:02They're all screaming.
13:03Yay.
13:04Thank you all so much for joining us.
13:06It's your favorite drag queen's favorite drag queen with her new favorite drag queen.
13:12Give it up for Vivian Colby.
13:13Take a spin, honey.
13:14Sure.
13:15Yay!
13:16Oh, I hit the thing.
13:17That's my first thing you so much.
13:18Love you so much.
13:19Beautiful.
13:20You're icon.
13:21Yes.
13:22Is that the camera?
13:23Oh.
13:24Mm.
13:25Period.
13:26Hey.
13:27End.
13:28End.
13:29End.
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