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Bob Lazar FULL 1997 Interview with Don Garlits.
Bob Lazar is a physicist who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, and also on reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology at a site called S-4 near the Area 51 Groom Lake operating location.
Don Garlits, who is considered the father of drag racing, sat down with Lazar and talked extraterrestrials
Bob Lazar is a physicist who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, and also on reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology at a site called S-4 near the Area 51 Groom Lake operating location.
Don Garlits, who is considered the father of drag racing, sat down with Lazar and talked extraterrestrials
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00:00Bob, for the benefit of our viewers, someone out there that doesn't know who you are, tell us who you are.
00:07Give us your credentials and where you've worked.
00:10Well, I'm a physicist and a scientist.
00:13I've worked at various government institutions, one of them being Los Alamos National Labs in Los Alamos, New Mexico.
00:21And also, I'm more prominently known for working at Area S4, which is about 15 miles south of Area 51 in the Nevada desert, which is a top secret government research facility.
00:34Where did you go to school, Bob?
00:36I went to school at MIT and Caltech, also a couple other junior colleges here and there in California.
00:42And what was your field of study?
00:44Field of study was physics and electronics technology.
00:47And when you were working for these different installations before you went to S4, you didn't have any connection with flying saucers whatsoever, did you?
00:58No, I didn't have any connection.
01:00In fact, I didn't even believe in them.
01:01I thought it was just, you know, the rantings and ramblings of crazy people, more or less.
01:07When was the first time that you actually began to believe or got interested in the subject enough to want to go someplace and maybe work with them?
01:18Well, I was never interested in the subject at all, primarily because I didn't believe in it.
01:24It's when I was offered a job working on advanced propulsion systems is how it was advertised to me.
01:30And it was only later that I found out the job I was employed to do was to back engineer extraterrestrial craft or an extraterrestrial craft.
01:41And it really happened backwards from the normal chain of events.
01:46How did you come to get the job at the S4 area?
01:49Well, that's a good question.
01:52And I really don't know if I can answer it.
01:54I don't know what motivated them.
01:55There are certainly more intelligent, more educated people around.
02:00There is a wide variety of high-profile scientists and physicists that they could have pulled out of the works anywhere.
02:07If anything, you know, your guess is as good as mine on that.
02:11I really don't know why I was chosen.
02:13I did have not really connections per se, but I did know a couple people that were also involved in the project.
02:22I really didn't know they were at the time, but, you know, they could have put a name in and, you know, could have wound up that way.
02:31Do you think that Dr. Teller might have had anything to do with it?
02:35It's a substantial possibility.
02:37At one time, while I was at working at Los Alamos, I went to see one of his lectures.
02:44I got there early, and he was outside.
02:46And coincidentally, at that particular time, I was on the front page of the newspaper he was reading.
02:51And he was reading about an article about a small Honda Civic that I had converted to run on jet power.
02:59And I introduced myself and explained what I was doing.
03:02And some years later, I had sent a resume to him and some other national labs when I decided to get back into the scientific field after I had moved to Las Vegas.
03:13And, you know, it is substantially possible that he had a hand in doing it.
03:18He did refer me to someone at EG&G, which in turn did lead to the employment at S-4.
03:25When did you actually see the first vehicle or ship or craft that you knew for sure wasn't of this manufacturer on this planet?
03:36Well, I did see it probably the second or third time I went out to the facility.
03:43And at that time, I wasn't convinced that's what the craft was.
03:49When I first saw it, I thought that this was a U.S.-made, very advanced, next-generation fighter,
03:56and, in fact, that this would explain all the UFO sightings.
04:02It was only later to find out that that wasn't the case when I started receiving some documentation on the craft
04:09and actually got to go in it and found out what the scope of the project was.
04:12But, you know, I had seen it earlier on but really didn't know what I was looking at.
04:17And what was the scope of the project?
04:21What were you supposed to do to this craft?
04:24Well, the scope of the group there, the people at S-4, were to back engineer,
04:30essentially take a part and discover the manufacturing process and materials used
04:36to produce this craft, this flying saucer.
04:40More specifically, my group consisted of me and another person, his name was Barry,
04:45that we dealt with the power and propulsion system of the craft.
04:50And we were to back engineer that.
04:52We were to see if the power and propulsion system could be duplicated
04:55and if it could possibly be duplicated with earthly materials
04:58instead of any exotic foreign materials that we might have come across.
05:04When you saw that craft and you realized it was an alien craft,
05:10did that upset you in any way,
05:12knowing that here was a vehicle from another system
05:15sitting right here on the planet Earth
05:18and, of course, always believing that there was no such thing,
05:21it was hallucinations and so forth,
05:23what was your feeling inside when you were confronted with the reality
05:28that all that you had believed before was gone now
05:32and you had to take a whole new look at things?
05:35Well, actually, that's a good question.
05:37A lot of people have said,
05:38boy, that must have been exciting and, you know, that really wasn't the case.
05:42The feeling really came over me when I was permitted in the craft
05:45to see the placement of the subsystems that we were going to be working on
05:48and it was not a feeling of excitement at all.
05:51It was a very ominous feeling,
05:52a feeling, like I've said before, that, you know, you shouldn't be there.
05:57It's very hard to relay,
05:58but it was a real overwhelming, odd feeling that I had, you know,
06:06without trying to use a pun,
06:08it was a very unearthly atmosphere and, you know,
06:11as it should be because none of the materials were familiar,
06:15none of the, you know, architecture or the device was familiar
06:18and it was just, it was very odd.
06:19Yeah, because obviously they were here and we weren't there.
06:25So you would, being a scientist,
06:27you would know the ramifications of such a situation.
06:31Which brings me to this question,
06:32how far in the future do you estimate that craft was
06:36to what we're doing at the present time?
06:39Well, I've heard other people estimate things like that,
06:43saying, well, it's a thousand or 10,000 years advanced of our technology
06:48and, you know, I don't really find that to be the case.
06:51All I really find to be the case is probably a technology
06:54that's about 100 or 200 years in advance of us
06:56and the only reason being is because they stumbled upon a device,
07:01a machine that can actually make gravity,
07:04that can produce gravitational waves.
07:06You know, this is something that our science and physics knows.
07:08We know what gravity is.
07:09We know how it works, but we really just observe it.
07:12We don't understand it
07:13and we certainly don't have a machine that can create a gravitational wave.
07:18And because they've developed this,
07:20they have a unique propulsion system
07:22and that has a lot of offshoot possibilities and other uses.
07:28Also, the power source is fairly unique.
07:30We know of its existence.
07:32There is a total annihilation reaction we know of.
07:36The three atomic reactions we know of are fission,
07:39as you see in an atomic bomb,
07:41fusion, as you see in a hydrogen bomb,
07:43and we're currently trying to make a fusion reactor
07:45to provide power cleanly.
07:47And we also know there's a total annihilation reaction,
07:49which is a extremely, virtually 100% efficient reaction
07:53that, you know, we're really not,
07:55haven't even begun to do any research with.
07:57But, you know, here are these systems in place operating
07:59and it really didn't look that far in advance,
08:03you know, of what we were.
08:04Well, one interesting thing,
08:05that reactor that powered this vehicle was very small
08:09in relationship to the power it produced, was it not?
08:12Oh, it was tremendously tiny.
08:13You're looking at something that puts out more power
08:16than an average nuclear power plant.
08:18And if anyone lives near one of those,
08:19you know how big those things are.
08:21And we're looking at something, you know,
08:22scarcely bigger than a basketball that's doing this.
08:26Incredible.
08:27Do you think that these beings pose any threat
08:30to the human race?
08:33I don't think so.
08:34And again, that's speculation.
08:36I really wouldn't know anything about that.
08:38But if the intent was to do harm,
08:41you know, from all indications,
08:43it seems like, you know,
08:45the Earth has been visited for thousands of years.
08:47And if there was any intent to do harm,
08:49it would have already been done.
08:51If anything, now this is just my personal speculation,
08:54I think we're more of a Disneyland,
08:56an interesting thing to observe.
08:58But I don't believe there's any real direct interaction.
09:02There may be, but I don't see any evidence of it.
09:05Why doesn't the government just come clean on all of this?
09:08Because there's so much speculation on it.
09:10There's so much disinformation out there.
09:12Why don't they just come forward and say,
09:13this is what's going on.
09:15They don't pose any threat.
09:16And it's just something you're just going to have to live up to, people.
09:20Well, it's difficult to do that.
09:22But first of all, if they're going to come completely clean,
09:25they're going to have to admit
09:26that as far back as 50 years ago,
09:28they knew this was going on.
09:30And in the meantime,
09:31they've been spreading disinformation
09:32and lies about events that, you know, that have occurred.
09:36So they're not going to go and say,
09:38we've been lying to you for 50 years.
09:40So to start with, there's a problem there.
09:43Even if they started today and said,
09:44well, we found out a couple things.
09:46And, you know, here's what we found out.
09:49But because these systems are advanced
09:51and they pose a real unique function,
09:55they present a substantial weapon potential.
09:58And because of that,
10:00all the information is certainly not going to be released.
10:02However, I've always wondered why,
10:06at least the existence of the craft,
10:09at least a statement to the effect of,
10:11we have found some material,
10:13we have some information,
10:14a lot of it pertains to national security.
10:17However, we can verify the existence
10:19of life elsewhere other than Earth
10:23and technology that we have.
10:25And, you know, perhaps release
10:26a little bit of information here,
10:28but they're not even doing that.
10:30And, you know, on that note,
10:32there might be several reasons
10:34that we haven't thought of a lot.
10:36Who knows what beliefs that it might interfere with?
10:39You know, it's a scary thought.
10:41You know, we've pretty much put ourself
10:42in the center of the entire universe
10:44that we're the, you know, most superior race.
10:47And, you know, it might upset people
10:50to find out that we're really not that significant.
10:54Well, with that thought in mind,
10:55do you think perhaps maybe that the aliens themselves
10:58may be saying, look, it's better
10:59if you just kind of keep it quiet
11:00and let us just go on about observing
11:02your little Disneyland?
11:04And you think that might be part of it too?
11:07It could certainly be part of it.
11:08It could be the architecture of the whole plan
11:12might have been laid down by them.
11:13Who knows what kind of communication,
11:15if any, that we've had.
11:17But, you know, again,
11:19your guess is as good as mine on that.
11:21How many different types of the craft did you see?
11:25Just one, or were there other styles?
11:27Well, there was one craft that I worked on.
11:30That craft was a very sleek, thin-looking craft
11:33compared to the other ones that were there.
11:34There were nine craft.
11:38I nicknamed this one the sport model
11:40because it was a very sleek-looking,
11:4250s-style flying saucer-looking thing,
11:46and the name pretty much stuck
11:47and people were using that name.
11:50I really don't know much about the other crafts
11:52other than the fact that whether it was accidentally
11:54or, you know, just a coincidence
11:56that I happened to see them one time.
11:58All the hangar doors were open
12:00at one particular time when I was there,
12:02and normally they were closed.
12:03But for the most part, the only information I have
12:05is on the craft that I particularly worked on.
12:09So you don't have any idea
12:10whether the other craft came from different systems
12:12or they were all from the same system?
12:14You have no idea about that?
12:16Well, I do know for a fact
12:17that the power and propulsion system
12:20in all the crafts were the same.
12:22So that either says, you know,
12:25now you have to start speculating
12:27that, number one,
12:29they either all come from the same manufacturer,
12:31or, number two,
12:33someone is subbing out parts.
12:36And, you know, I mean,
12:37your mind can run away on this somewhere
12:39because you see, obviously,
12:40a vehicle like this is produced.
12:41Well, there must be a factory somewhere,
12:43and, you know, eventually,
12:46you know, your mind just runs off with you
12:47and you have to draw a line somewhere.
12:49Of course.
12:49I mean, it may be the day
12:51that we will buy the reactor
12:53and the system and the components
12:55from this big galactic company
12:56that has the exclusive on it.
12:59Maybe there's some sort of a patent on this thing.
13:02It's possible.
13:02But to me, it's so hard to believe,
13:05and I know that's strange coming from me,
13:07but, you know,
13:10I kind of draw a line
13:11between the actual alien existence
13:13and a social structure,
13:15and I think that's to keep my sanity,
13:17and I pretty much only deal with the stuff
13:19that I know for a fact
13:20and a hands-on experience with
13:21because your mind can really run away with you,
13:23and who knows what's going on.
13:24You'll find yourself standing outside
13:26staring at the sky
13:27wondering why no one's going to talk to you.
13:29And so to keep my sanity,
13:31I just deal with, you know,
13:32what I actually know to be fact
13:34and try not to speculate too much.
13:36Getting back to that,
13:37have you actually,
13:38did you actually see the craft
13:39that you worked on fly or operate?
13:45Yeah, I did.
13:45On one occasion close up
13:47and on several occasions
13:48from about 10 miles away.
13:50On the one particular occasion,
13:51there was a test flight going on,
13:53they came and got me
13:55to witness a short-duration flight,
13:57and I stood at the door of the hangar
13:59and the craft lifted off the ground,
14:02which was an amazing sight in itself,
14:04something about 52 feet in diameter,
14:06virtually silently lift off the ground
14:08and just move around a bit
14:09and set back down.
14:10But, you know,
14:12that was the close-range operation
14:13I got to saw.
14:16Can humans duplicate that vehicle?
14:20At the time I was there,
14:21that was not even in the realm of possibility.
14:24How about,
14:25are they able to fly them?
14:27Well, there was a test pilot
14:30flying the craft,
14:31so apparently we had developed the expertise
14:33at least to lift the thing off the ground
14:35and move it around.
14:37As far as taking it any great distance
14:39or taking it out of the atmosphere,
14:41it's something I don't think would happen.
14:43This is, you know,
14:43a prized possession,
14:44an operating extraterrestrial craft,
14:48and, you know,
14:49things change when you leave the atmosphere.
14:51Things like the fact there's no air outside,
14:54the fact that there's not exactly
14:55a hundred percent chance
14:56you can bring it back now.
14:58So, you know,
15:00I don't think they're flying around to Jupiter
15:01and taking looks at planets.
15:03I think they're very careful with it.
15:04They're just testing it.
15:05And, you know,
15:07and we'll remain that way
15:08for an extremely long time.
15:10It would seem like the government
15:11would really be just,
15:13all the stops would be pulled out
15:15to try to duplicate this
15:16because this seems to me
15:17like the ultimate vehicle
15:19to move around,
15:20especially in our own solar system.
15:22Well, yeah,
15:23you hit on two points there.
15:24It is the ultimate vehicle
15:25to move around,
15:26and imagine being able
15:27to go anywhere instantaneously.
15:29Now, without any weapon potential at all,
15:31consider that being a weapon potential.
15:33We have trouble in the Middle East.
15:34You know how long it takes
15:35us to get aircraft carriers out there.
15:36Well, we'll be out there
15:37in a couple of weeks.
15:38I mean, it takes lots of planes refueling
15:40if we could be out there
15:40in the snap of a finger
15:41and load something up like this
15:43with tanks and weapons.
15:45You know, that's a,
15:46you know, or behind enemy lines
15:48instead of advancing in front of them.
15:49I mean, this is a tremendous weapon.
15:51And it's because of that,
15:53I think,
15:54where we see a lot of the secrecy stemming from.
15:57So it's, they're kind of torn between
15:59pulling out all the stops
16:01to move ahead on development
16:02and putting all the stops in
16:04to stop anyone from finding out
16:06what's going on.
16:07So they're really between a rock
16:09and a hard place.
16:10That's exactly how fast it is.
16:13Well, it can...
16:14Don needs to ask.
16:15What was that?
16:17Then just exactly how fast is the craft?
16:21Do you know how fast this craft might fly?
16:25Well, it's because of the way
16:28that the craft operates.
16:29It's kind of a...
16:31The question really doesn't make sense
16:34because it's a gravitational propelled device.
16:39And we know gravity bends time
16:40and bends space,
16:42distorts time and distorts space.
16:45When you move in a linear mode,
16:48you travel X distance in so much time,
16:52which is what determines your velocity.
16:54However, if you're distorting time
16:57and distorting the distance,
16:58the equation no longer makes sense.
17:00It's nonsense.
17:02So essentially,
17:03because of the gravitational propulsion
17:04of the device,
17:05you can move at tremendous distances
17:07almost instantaneously.
17:10Did you ever figure out
17:12or did they tell you
17:13where this craft came from?
17:15From what system or whereabouts?
17:18Well, there was documentation
17:19that they had,
17:20but it was something
17:23that I couldn't verify.
17:25I knew what I was working on
17:26because I got to analyze it
17:28and develop theories about it.
17:32But as far as information
17:34from other people,
17:34I don't know if the information's correct,
17:36but I assume most of it was.
17:38If in fact it was,
17:39they claim that the craft
17:41came from the Zeta Reticuli star system.
17:43It's a star system called the net,
17:45I believe.
17:46It's visible only
17:47in the Southern Hemisphere,
17:48so don't bother looking at it
17:50if you're in the United States.
17:51But it's about 32 light years away,
17:54which is a tremendous distance
17:56considering that even
17:57if you were moving
17:57at the speed of light,
17:58it would take you 32 years
18:00to get there
18:00and 32 years to get back,
18:02which of course,
18:02a speed we can't even attain now.
18:05Of course, this craft
18:06obviously gets back and forth
18:08faster than that.
18:10Well, it must,
18:10and because of the assumption
18:12that number one,
18:13it's small.
18:14Number two,
18:14there's no stores
18:15for anything such as food.
18:17It doesn't appear
18:18to be any waste area.
18:20It doesn't even,
18:20it doesn't appear
18:22to hold any cargo,
18:23so wherever it came from,
18:24it came from there really fast.
18:26You know,
18:26that's why another reason
18:27I called it the sport model.
18:29It has no luggage space.
18:30Kind of like a dragster.
18:31Exactly.
18:32It's got no trunk,
18:32it's got no bathroom,
18:33it's got no bath.
18:34Right.
18:34It's got one specific function
18:35to get from one place
18:36to the other as fast as possible,
18:37and that's what this looked like it did.
18:39Sounds good.
18:41When were you taking off this project,
18:43or did you just quit the project
18:44or did the project get completed?
18:47Now we're into a long story.
18:50I never specifically quit
18:52a problem formed,
18:56and I don't know
18:57if you want to go into
18:57a long dissertation here,
18:59but it was,
19:01I really don't know
19:04how to explain it.
19:06A problem formed from,
19:08you took some people out
19:09to see the craft flying.
19:11Well,
19:11I had taken some people out there,
19:12but that wasn't where
19:13the problem had stemmed from.
19:14The problem was before that,
19:16because of all the time,
19:18I was keeping this quiet
19:20from my family and friends,
19:23everything.
19:24A lot of times,
19:25I had to leave during the night.
19:27At the time,
19:28my wife obviously thought
19:29that I was running around
19:30with someone.
19:31Now I had given permission
19:33during a lot of the security clearances
19:35to monitor my telephone,
19:37my mail, everything.
19:39I gave written permission for that.
19:41And as months went by,
19:43my wife started having an affair.
19:45Now they were monitoring this
19:47and knew about it,
19:47but I didn't.
19:48And because they saw potential
19:50for an emotional instability,
19:52they didn't want anyone,
19:53they wanted the situation
19:56to resolve itself.
19:57So they stopped me
19:59from coming out to work.
20:00and some time went by
20:02and then I began
20:04to get a little concerned
20:05that now I have
20:05all this information,
20:06they don't want me
20:07coming out there anymore.
20:08And this is when I started
20:09to bring a couple friends out
20:10to show them what was going on
20:12in case something
20:12actually happened to me.
20:14And then we got caught
20:15going out there.
20:15So it was just a terrible
20:17chain of events
20:17that occurred
20:18and eventually
20:19I just wound up
20:19not going there.
20:227-0-2-2-7.
20:25Hello?
20:26I'm in the middle
20:27of an interview.
20:28Bye.
20:28The craft is about
20:3852 feet in diameter
20:40and about 16 feet high.
20:41Originally,
20:42some years ago
20:43when I came out,
20:44I had the dimensions wrong.
20:46I thought it was
20:46about 30 feet in diameter
20:47because I'm really not good
20:48at judging distances closely.
20:50However,
20:51I worked with some
20:52of the model people
20:53from the Tester Corporation
20:55and they had some artists
20:57come out
20:57and what we did is
20:59we took dimensions
21:00of things that I knew
21:02that were close up
21:03and they scaled them back
21:06and essentially reconstructed
21:08the entire craft that way
21:09and the dimensions
21:11and everything matched.
21:12So I think the final ones
21:13came out to about
21:1452.8 feet in diameter
21:15and 16 or 15.2 feet high,
21:19something along those lines.
21:19Tell us a little bit
21:20about the craft itself
21:22inside,
21:23where you went inside the craft,
21:25what you saw
21:25and how,
21:27just kind of a basic function.
21:30Well, there's three levels
21:32to the craft.
21:33There's the central level
21:34that the hatch lets you into.
21:37This is where
21:39there are three seats
21:40in the exact center
21:42of the craft.
21:43There's the reactor
21:43that powers it.
21:45Surrounding the reactor
21:47are three gravity amplifiers
21:48that provides the power
21:50and the field
21:52that propel the craft.
21:53On the level underneath that
21:55are the actual wave guide antennas,
21:57horns,
21:58whatever you want to call them
21:59that actually emit
22:00the gravity wave.
22:02They hang down
22:03in a triad
22:04at the bottom level
22:05of the craft
22:05and they are movable.
22:08The very top part
22:09of the craft,
22:09there are small black portholes,
22:11we've called them on there.
22:14Now, I don't know
22:15exactly what's on that level,
22:16but I firmly believe
22:17that that's the navigational system
22:19and those porthole-type devices
22:21are actually sensors
22:23that determine
22:23the craft's orientation in space
22:25so it can tell
22:27whether it's from star fixes
22:29or landmarks
22:31or who knows what
22:32or a system
22:33that we're not familiar with,
22:35but that's how the craft
22:36determines its orientation
22:37and position in space.
22:39How about the construction
22:40of the different components?
22:42What was it like?
22:43Was it bolted together,
22:45snapped together,
22:46held together with Velcro?
22:48What?
22:48What helped this thing together?
22:50Well, it was actually,
22:51it was fastening
22:52that there were no seams,
22:53no visible seams
22:54that I was able to see.
22:55There were no fastening devices,
22:57rivet screws.
22:58Everything had the appearance
23:00of being injection molded.
23:02All different systems
23:05that were connected
23:06to each other
23:07were completely smooth
23:08and connected
23:09like you'd see
23:09in a giant plastic injection molder.
23:14There was really nothing
23:16that was discernible
23:17as a fastening device
23:18or a seam to me anywhere.
23:21Well, it sounds like
23:22some technology
23:23I'd love to see
23:24in top fuel.
23:26There would be some
23:26really fine things.
23:27Dragsters we could build
23:28with some of that kind of stuff.
23:29Oh, that's for sure.
23:31Bob, judging from
23:32the size of the craft,
23:34the height of each level,
23:35the size of the seats,
23:37then what would be
23:38your guesstimate
23:39as to the size of the being?
23:41Judging from the seat
23:45and judging from
23:47the height of the ceiling,
23:49the being's height
23:50probably couldn't have
23:50exceeded four feet.
23:52That's tops
23:53because when you walk
23:54into the craft,
23:55you're hunched
23:56all the way over.
23:57In fact, you have to
23:58practically crawl in,
23:59but you're hunched
24:00all the way over
24:00until you come up
24:01to the center of the craft,
24:02so it's certainly
24:03nothing our size.
24:04More probably half our size
24:06for three and a half feet
24:07would be more realistic.
24:08The seats are smaller.
24:10Oh, yeah.
24:11Well, you've heard
24:12of, here's another area
24:14that's always been strange.
24:15You've heard all
24:15about these abductions.
24:17Everybody's talking
24:17about they've been abducted.
24:18What is your opinion
24:20on the abduction stories?
24:23Personally, I don't believe them,
24:26but, and again,
24:29that's something strange
24:30coming from me,
24:31you know,
24:31coming out with
24:32a flying saucer story,
24:33but I just,
24:35I don't see enough evidence
24:37and I, you know,
24:39it's just a gut feeling.
24:40I could be completely wrong,
24:41but I just have a hard time
24:42with most of them.
24:43And if, in fact,
24:44you know,
24:45they did occur,
24:46there, you know,
24:46there might be one or two
24:47that may have actually occurred,
24:50you know,
24:50with reference to
24:51Betty and Barney Hill,
24:52who were a couple
24:53in the 60s
24:54who claimed
24:54the first abduction.
24:58You know,
24:58there is some interesting,
25:00you know,
25:00evidence there,
25:01but I don't know for sure,
25:03and my gut feeling
25:04is that I just don't buy it.
25:06Okay.
25:09And as you said earlier,
25:10they may be just looking at us
25:12like we're some big Disney world
25:13or something interesting
25:15to observe.
25:17And you said,
25:20how long do you think
25:21they've been watching it?
25:22I hear you say earlier,
25:23you think over a thousand years
25:24or more than that?
25:25Oh, more than that.
25:26I mean,
25:26there's very interesting
25:28old paintings
25:29from the Renaissance period
25:31that have pictures
25:33of flying saucers
25:33drawn in the background
25:34in the sky.
25:36You know,
25:36obviously not a smudge,
25:38but obviously
25:39an elliptical shaped craft
25:40and, you know,
25:41a glow around it.
25:43I mean,
25:43some of these are fascinating,
25:45so whether or not
25:47that proves anything,
25:48I mean,
25:48there's certainly mention
25:49of them in some older texts,
25:50too,
25:50so I, you know,
25:51from the evidence
25:53that I've seen,
25:53it appears that they've been
25:54coming here for thousands
25:55of years.
25:56You've never actually
25:57seen one of these beings?
25:59No, I haven't.
26:00Do you know,
26:04at these facilities,
26:05have you ever heard
26:06of any underground facilities
26:07where they might be
26:09some of these beings?
26:12Well,
26:12I've heard a lot of stories
26:14and, in fact,
26:14S-4 is built into a mountain.
26:16The only thing,
26:18and the reason for that
26:19is to disguise it
26:19from satellite photographs.
26:22It doesn't go down
26:24unless there are parts
26:25of the facility
26:26that I wasn't permitted
26:29to go into,
26:30but, you know,
26:32I haven't seen
26:32any of these deep
26:33underground facilities
26:34where there's aliens
26:35working side-by-side
26:36with humans,
26:37working on secret projects.
26:38You know,
26:38I don't know
26:40if I believe those,
26:42and, in fact,
26:43just because I, you know,
26:45have a negative opinion
26:45about it
26:46doesn't mean
26:46it doesn't exist,
26:47but I just have
26:48a hard time
26:49believing that.
26:50have you heard
26:54of any of these ships
26:55being in any other countries?
26:57Are we the only one,
26:59is the United States
26:59the only one
27:00that has any of these craft?
27:05Well,
27:05I've heard stories.
27:07I don't really keep abreast
27:08of all the UFO information,
27:10but the one
27:12that caught my attention
27:13was there were sightings
27:15in Sweden,
27:16I believe,
27:16in the 70s
27:17and early 80s
27:19of a farmer out there
27:20called Billy Meyer,
27:22and the reason
27:23that caught my attention
27:23is the craft
27:24looks exactly
27:25like the one
27:27that I was working on.
27:28He has some fantastic
27:29photographs of it.
27:31Now,
27:32people claim
27:32that the photographs
27:33are phony
27:34and so on and so forth,
27:35however,
27:37they look fairly decent,
27:38and on top of that,
27:39it looks exactly
27:40like the craft
27:41that I worked on,
27:42so if it was
27:42a phony picture,
27:44the chances of him
27:44building,
27:46a model
27:46that looked
27:46exactly like
27:47the actual craft
27:48or remote,
27:49so it is possible
27:49that that craft
27:51was there
27:52or we may have
27:53been testing it
27:54ourselves
27:54and taken it
27:55that far,
27:55though I doubt that,
27:57but that has
27:58caught my attention.
27:59Has the government
28:00given you any problem
28:02about coming out
28:03and discussing this?
28:06Initially,
28:07there was a big
28:07problem with that,
28:08and there were threats
28:09and so on and so forth,
28:11but over time,
28:13once it started airing
28:14on TV,
28:15in fact,
28:16for the first day,
28:18they broke into
28:19the news here
28:19in Las Vegas
28:20and aired it.
28:21It was pretty much
28:21a hands-off approach
28:22after that.
28:24Bob,
28:25obviously,
28:26this was all
28:26top-secret information
28:27when you were
28:28working on this project,
28:29and then the news
28:30started to break
28:31the information
28:32to the general public.
28:33Did you have any
28:33problem with the
28:34government
28:34when this happened?
28:36Well,
28:36initially,
28:36before it hit the news,
28:38there was a big problem.
28:39There were lots of
28:40threats and things
28:41of that sort.
28:41They even hassled
28:42a lot of my friends.
28:44I had a friend
28:45working at,
28:46you know,
28:47another facility
28:48on the test site
28:49working with
28:50stealth fighters,
28:51and they pulled him
28:51out of work
28:52and interrogated him,
28:53and, you know,
28:54they pretty much
28:55covered all bases,
28:56but after it went
28:57on the news,
28:58they broke into
28:58the news one night
28:59in Las Vegas
29:00that it was
29:01a hands-off approach
29:02after that
29:03because really
29:04doing anything
29:05would really verify
29:06what I said was true,
29:07and, you know,
29:09it's pretty much
29:09been that way
29:10ever since.
29:11And have they done
29:12anything like
29:13insert disinformation
29:14in to discredit you
29:16in any way?
29:17Oh, boy.
29:17So people say,
29:18well, this is just
29:18Bob Lazar.
29:19He's the kook
29:20out there in Las Vegas.
29:21Oh, absolutely.
29:22I mean,
29:23the disinformation
29:23is so fantastic.
29:26It's absolutely
29:27entertaining
29:27to the point now.
29:28I mean,
29:29I've heard stories
29:30that I was a murderer,
29:31that I was selling
29:33women in South America.
29:35I mean,
29:35any bizarre story
29:37you can think of
29:37has been attributed
29:38to me,
29:39anything to discredit
29:40what I've said.
29:42And some of them
29:42are tremendously funny,
29:44and some of them
29:45have some basis in fact,
29:46and they've just
29:46distorted it
29:47and changed it around,
29:48and, you know,
29:49it's really unbelievable.
29:52And for the most place,
29:52most of the stuff
29:53is on the Internet
29:54because there's
29:55no ramifications
29:55of anybody ever saying
29:57anything on the Internet.
29:58I can, you know,
29:59put up a web page
30:00that says,
30:01Don Garlitz is a child
30:02molester,
30:03and you can't do
30:03a thing about it.
30:04So it's, you know,
30:05it's open season.
30:09You know,
30:09drag racing is real expensive,
30:11especially top fuel racing.
30:13You know,
30:13it's up to $10,000 a run now.
30:16No, I didn't.
30:17But what kind of budget
30:19do you think
30:20the military would have
30:22on a project like this?
30:23Well, the budget
30:27would probably be
30:28phenomenal.
30:31And, you know,
30:31where the money comes from
30:33is another good question.
30:34It was probably
30:35originally funneled
30:36through some
30:36of the Star Wars budget,
30:38but it's,
30:39obviously,
30:40it's labeled
30:40as a black project,
30:41which means
30:42it doesn't have
30:42any real accounting
30:43to it.
30:44It just absorbs money
30:45from other places,
30:47you know,
30:47without any paper trail.
30:48But I imagine
30:49the budget
30:50is fairly substantial.
30:52Where did they
30:52find the craft?
30:55Do you know
30:56where this craft
30:57came from?
30:57Did they ever reveal
30:58to you
30:58where they found
30:59the craft?
31:01No, I don't know
31:01if it was found,
31:02given, or dug up
31:04in a hole somewhere.
31:05The only information
31:06that I had
31:07was just the little blurb
31:09that they gave us
31:10that the craft
31:11had originated
31:12in the Zeta-2
31:13Reticuli star system.
31:15And, you know,
31:16that's all I know.
31:16But it wasn't damaged
31:17in a way,
31:17so it obviously
31:19wasn't crashed.
31:20No, I don't believe
31:21that it crashed.
31:22It was in perfect
31:23operating condition.
31:25Did the people
31:27who you worked for
31:28feel like that
31:29we had the capabilities
31:30of catching up
31:31with this technology?
31:33Oh, absolutely.
31:34And that was part
31:35of the intent,
31:36was to, you know,
31:38move our technology
31:39up to the stage
31:40and duplicate it.
31:42And that's what
31:43the big push was,
31:44was not just
31:44to duplicate it,
31:45but to duplicate it
31:46with materials
31:47that we had
31:47and we're familiar
31:48with.
31:48And, you know,
31:50I only knew
31:50what happened
31:51up to 1989.
31:52You know,
31:52it's coming up
31:53on 10 years now.
31:55And wherever
31:55the project is operating,
31:57we know it's not up
31:58near Area 51 anymore,
32:00but they may have
32:02already come pretty far.
32:03We know they didn't
32:04stop on the work,
32:05don't we?
32:06You got that right.
32:07What about
32:08the Roswell incident?
32:09Are you familiar
32:09with that?
32:11I've heard a lot
32:12about that,
32:12like everyone has.
32:13Watched some specials
32:14on television
32:15here and there.
32:15I don't have
32:16any inside information
32:18on it,
32:18but, you know,
32:19it certainly seems
32:20like something
32:21occurred there.
32:22Well,
32:22over 300 people
32:23have come forward
32:24to claim they saw
32:26the craft
32:27or saw the craft site
32:28or saw being.
32:29So,
32:30in our today's
32:31court of law,
32:32three people say
32:33they saw you kill
32:33somebody,
32:34you could go
32:34to the gas chamber.
32:36Oh, right.
32:36I believe in court
32:38it's an absolute win.
32:40I defy anyone
32:41to disprove it
32:42in court,
32:43but, you know,
32:46we don't have
32:46that opportunity.
32:47Let's talk to you,
32:47asking about,
32:49can he describe
32:50exactly how this
32:52anti-gravity,
32:53this gravity machine,
32:55what do you call it,
32:56the size of a basketball,
32:57functions or works?
32:59Let's get into
32:59the engineering.
33:02Bob,
33:03for the sake
33:04of our viewers
33:05out there
33:05that are technologically
33:07inclined,
33:08can you give us
33:08kind of a brief
33:09overview
33:10of how that
33:11little small
33:12basketball reactor,
33:14how it could
33:15generate power
33:16and cause
33:18a gravitational field
33:19to form?
33:22I'll give a brief
33:23overview of it.
33:24It can get
33:25fairly technical,
33:26but basically
33:27what it is
33:28is a reactor
33:30and an accelerator.
33:31The base plate
33:32of the device
33:33is something similar
33:34to a cyclotron
33:35where particles
33:36are sped up
33:37in a magnetic field
33:39and accelerated
33:39to a high speed.
33:41The fuel
33:42is an element
33:43that we don't have
33:44here on Earth
33:44known as element 115.
33:46It's something
33:47we also can't
33:48synthesize
33:49in an accelerator.
33:52There are
33:53heavier elements
33:54that we do synthesize
33:55like plutonium
33:56and things along
33:58those lines
33:59and generally
33:59they have a half-life
34:00which means
34:00they disintegrate
34:01very rapidly
34:02and the higher
34:03you go up
34:03on the periodic chart
34:04the faster
34:05these things
34:05disintegrate.
34:07However,
34:07we have always
34:08theorized
34:09that there's
34:09in little islands
34:10somewhere around
34:11element 114,
34:13115
34:13that elements
34:14will become
34:14once again stable
34:15like other elements
34:16are like zinc
34:18and iron
34:19and things
34:20that we're
34:21more familiar with.
34:22Well,
34:22apparently this is
34:24the case
34:24whether this element
34:26occurs naturally
34:27somewhere else
34:28in the solar system
34:29somewhere else
34:30in the galaxy
34:31or it's synthesized
34:33against speculation.
34:36However,
34:36this is the fuel
34:37that's used.
34:38When this is bombarded
34:39with an accelerated
34:40proton from
34:41the pseudo-cyclotron
34:44on the bottom
34:44of the device
34:45it transmutes itself.
34:47It produces
34:48element 116
34:49which releases
34:50a form of radiation
34:51that we really
34:52haven't seen
34:53in antimatter radiation.
34:55And though antimatter
34:55sounds like
34:56something out of
34:57Star Trek
34:58it's something
34:59that we do produce
35:00in small quantities
35:00in accelerators.
35:02It's a particle
35:03with a charge
35:05and a spin
35:06that's opposite
35:06of normal matter.
35:07The reason
35:08antimatter
35:08is so interesting
35:11to us
35:12and has been
35:12so interesting
35:13in science fiction
35:13is that
35:14when antimatter
35:15reacts with matter
35:16when antimatter
35:18contacts matter
35:19it releases
35:20100%.
35:21It's almost
35:22a total conversion
35:23of that matter
35:23to energy
35:24with virtually
35:25nothing left.
35:26Now in all other
35:27fusion efficient
35:27reactions
35:28you typically
35:29see an efficiency
35:29of about
35:30anywhere from
35:31eight tenths
35:32of one percent
35:32to about eight percent.
35:33And you know
35:34how much energy
35:35those reactions
35:35release.
35:36This is a
35:37100% efficient
35:38reaction.
35:39So what happens
35:40is this particle
35:41is accelerated
35:42it interacts
35:42with the element
35:44and produces
35:45this antimatter
35:47radiation.
35:48It's just
35:48really
35:48anti-hydrogen
35:50is what it's
35:50producing
35:51and this
35:52is reacted
35:52with a
35:53gaseous matter
35:53target.
35:54When they react
35:55they produce
35:56a small explosion
35:57a tremendous
35:58amount of heat
35:59and how that
36:00heat is converted
36:01into electricity
36:01is a thermionic
36:03generator
36:04which is something
36:04along the lines
36:05of a thermocouple.
36:06It's something
36:07that when it gets
36:08hot as long
36:09as you put heat
36:10energy into it
36:11it produces
36:12electrical energy
36:12out.
36:13However the
36:14devices
36:14we power
36:15spacecraft
36:16with them
36:16we use
36:17in fact
36:17that probe
36:19that just
36:19went to
36:19Saturn
36:20the Cassini
36:21probe
36:21had 70
36:22some odd
36:22pounds
36:23of plutonium
36:23in it
36:24and it used
36:24a thermionic
36:25generator
36:25but ours
36:26aren't quite
36:27that efficient.
36:28This is
36:28again virtually
36:29100% efficient
36:30that the
36:30reactor itself
36:31doesn't even
36:31get hot
36:32when it's
36:32operating.
36:35That's just
36:36how the
36:36reactor produces
36:36a large
36:37amount of
36:37electrical
36:38energy.
36:38It also
36:39produces
36:39because of
36:40the element
36:40115
36:41which happens
36:42to have
36:42a unique
36:43property
36:43that this
36:44gravitational
36:45field
36:45extends
36:46beyond
36:47the perimeter
36:47of the
36:47atom
36:48and again
36:48we can
36:48get into
36:49a lot
36:50of
36:50particle
36:50physics
36:51in that
36:52there are
36:52some forces
36:53that are
36:53mislabeled
36:54but
36:55this
36:56field
36:57that
36:57the
36:58element
36:59produces
37:00is amplified
37:01very similar
37:03to a
37:03microwave
37:03in fact
37:04microwaves
37:05are transmitted
37:05through wave
37:06guides
37:06which are
37:07like pipes
37:07and that's
37:08very similar
37:09to how
37:10this is
37:10amplified
37:11and also
37:11transmitted
37:12essentially
37:12through pipes
37:13through
37:13wave guides
37:14throughout
37:14the craft
37:15and focused
37:16amplified
37:17and used
37:18for propulsion
37:19sounds
37:21interesting
37:22yeah
37:22it gets
37:24pretty hairy
37:24but it is
37:25a fascinating
37:26technology
37:26this has
37:28got to be
37:28Bob
37:29the biggest
37:29story
37:30in the history
37:30of mankind
37:31why has
37:32the mainstream
37:33press
37:33stayed off
37:34of it
37:35completely
37:35and you
37:36know how
37:36they love
37:37big stories
37:37well they
37:39do but
37:39it's a
37:39dangerous
37:42story
37:42it's like
37:42reporting
37:43on Bigfoot
37:44because
37:44there's
37:44not a
37:45lot of
37:45evidence
37:46once you
37:47leave a
37:47project like
37:48that you
37:49don't leave
37:49with drawings
37:50and descriptions
37:51for the most
37:53part they
37:54virtually erase
37:54your background
37:55and I know
37:55that sounds
37:56like mission
37:56impossible
37:57but even
37:57the places
37:58that I
37:58worked
37:59the places
38:00that I was
38:00educated
38:01denied that
38:02I was ever
38:02there
38:03I mean
38:05it's a
38:05far reaching
38:06thing
38:06and without
38:07proof nobody
38:08wants to look
38:09like they have
38:09egg on their
38:10face so you
38:10don't get
38:11mainstream
38:11anything to
38:13cover this
38:14until there's
38:14more evidence
38:15there's more
38:15proof and
38:16even if you
38:16got two or
38:17three scientists
38:18to come forward
38:18that's still
38:19not enough
38:19people want
38:20hardcore facts
38:21they want
38:21things they can
38:22photograph
38:22things they can
38:23touch and
38:23things they can
38:24verify and
38:25because of the
38:26secrecy involved
38:26even if that
38:27was about to
38:28happen it
38:29would be
38:29squashed by the
38:31government under
38:32the guise of
38:32national security
38:33no you can't
38:34air that special
38:35no you can't
38:35do this
38:36so on and
38:37so forth
38:37so I don't
38:39think it's
38:39going to come
38:39out until
38:40they decide
38:41that they
38:41want it
38:41out
38:42can the
38:42American
38:43people handle
38:44the truth
38:44I think so
38:46the American
38:46people can
38:47handle a lot
38:48it may not
38:48be what they
38:49want to hear
38:49it may interfere
38:51with a lot
38:51of their
38:51current beliefs
38:52but we
38:53adjust to
38:54everything
38:54we really
38:55do
38:55I think
38:56they're
38:56really
38:56underrating
38:57us
38:57that probably
38:58goes for
38:59the rest
38:59of the world
38:59too
39:00wouldn't you
39:00say
39:00absolutely
39:01the room
39:02next door
39:02looks like
39:04a chemical
39:05laboratory
39:05or something
39:06oh yeah
39:07that's a lab
39:07okay
39:08I want to
39:08ask him
39:09about what's
39:09in the room
39:10next door
39:10that looks
39:10like a lab
39:11you know
39:13there's been
39:13millions of
39:14sightings
39:14my wife and
39:15I've seen
39:16a couple
39:16of things
39:16ourselves
39:17that were
39:17absolutely
39:18unexplainable
39:19what do you
39:20think with
39:20all that
39:21sightings
39:22there's just
39:22so few
39:23actual photographs
39:24and most of
39:25them are blurry
39:26has that got
39:26something to do
39:27perhaps with
39:27the way the
39:28craft operates
39:29or is it
39:30just the fact
39:30that when people
39:31see it
39:31they don't see
39:31it that long
39:32there wasn't
39:32camera equipment
39:33available
39:33what's your
39:34opinion on that
39:35well there's
39:35two points
39:36you made
39:36first of all
39:37is having
39:37anything
39:38any equipment
39:39available
39:39usually a sighting
39:40is exactly
39:41what you say
39:41a sighting
39:42it's an event
39:43that happens
39:43it's over
39:44how many photographs
39:45do you have
39:46of car accidents
39:47how many photographs
39:48have you seen
39:48of car accidents
39:49other than
39:50at the drag strip
39:51because we know
39:51something's going
39:51to happen
39:52but just out
39:53on the road
39:53you never have
39:54one
39:55that's true
39:56it's because
39:57it's the event
39:57happens and it's
39:58over
39:58now the only reason
39:59you know about
40:00it or the news
40:00crew gets there
40:01because it stays
40:01there after it
40:02happened
40:02but the actual
40:03accident
40:03there are no
40:04photographs of
40:05because it's a
40:05fleeting event
40:06and any fleeting
40:07event
40:07that's something
40:08that you don't
40:09see
40:09and a lot of
40:10people harp
40:10on that
40:10saying well
40:11there's no
40:12photographs of
40:12them flying
40:13well it happened
40:13for two seconds
40:14what do you want
40:15from us
40:15even if you got
40:16a camcorder
40:16in your hand
40:17who says
40:17you're going
40:17to be
40:18you know
40:18looking at
40:19the thing
40:19on top of
40:20that because
40:21these crafts
40:23operate
40:24using a
40:25gravitational engine
40:26the gravity
40:28wave
40:28gravity itself
40:29distorts light
40:30and space
40:31and time
40:32and all that
40:33stuff sounds
40:34again like
40:34science fiction
40:35and you know
40:36something that's
40:37difficult to believe
40:37but we know
40:38we know that
40:39gravity bends
40:40light
40:41bends space
40:42and bends time
40:43and because of
40:44that factor
40:45there are
40:45for instance
40:46on the craft
40:46that I worked
40:47under
40:47I was told
40:48that under
40:48certain
40:49from certain
40:50vantage points
40:50underneath the
40:51craft
40:51you can't
40:52see the
40:52craft
40:52you can only
40:53see the sky
40:53above it
40:54because the
40:55light is bent
40:55around the
40:56craft
40:56so there
40:57certainly
40:57could be
40:58situations
41:00where you
41:00could see
41:01something
41:01and someone
41:0220 or 30
41:03feet away
41:04from you
41:04could be
41:04looking at
41:05a clear
41:05blue sky
41:05and not
41:06see it
41:06it's just
41:07the way
41:07things happen
41:08will broadcasting
41:11this interview
41:13get your eye
41:14in any trouble
41:14what was that
41:16I missed
41:16will broadcasting
41:17this interview
41:17get your eye
41:18in any trouble
41:19I don't think
41:20so it's been
41:20about like I
41:21said almost
41:2210 years
41:22and you know
41:23this has been
41:24on the news
41:24and gone over
41:25a bunch of
41:26times
41:26I think
41:29it's pretty
41:29much staying
41:30where it is
41:30I don't see
41:31any problems
41:31so nobody's
41:32going to be
41:32calling up
41:33ESPN
41:33saying you
41:34don't run
41:34that piece
41:35well
41:35if they do
41:36it wouldn't
41:37really surprise
41:38me
41:38what's in
41:42the room
41:42next door
41:43here
41:43oh that's
41:44that's my
41:45lab in here
41:45I do a lot
41:46of independent
41:48research
41:49or consultation
41:51anything science
41:53related
41:53physics
41:53related
41:54along with
41:55computer
41:56modeling
41:56anything
41:58along those
41:59lines
41:59you told me
42:00you were
42:00just
42:00you were
42:00designing
42:01or did
42:02the computer
42:02work on
42:03a rocket
42:04car that's
42:05going to go
42:05900 miles
42:06an hour
42:07well I have
42:07a friend
42:07his name is
42:08Waldo Stakes
42:09and him
42:09and a rocket
42:11engineer
42:11Ken Mason
42:12built this
42:13car
42:14and I believe
42:15this winter
42:16they're going
42:16to start
42:16running it
42:17it's called
42:17sonic wind
42:18and it's
42:19slated to go
42:19over 900 miles
42:20on ice
42:21I believe
42:23any of the
42:23high speed
42:24records
42:24only in
42:24200 some
42:26odd miles
42:26an hour
42:26so I ran
42:27a couple
42:27simulations
42:28on my
42:29computer
42:30and just
42:31to see
42:31how the
42:31thing would
42:32perform
42:32but it
42:33should be
42:33very
42:33interesting
42:33to see
42:34that
42:34it's a
42:34liquid
42:36oxygen
42:36a LOX
42:37alcohol
42:37powered
42:38rocket
42:39in fact
42:39the rocket
42:40is a booster
42:40off an
42:41Atlas
42:41rocket
42:41one of those
42:42old
42:42rockets
42:44from the
42:4450s
42:45but it's
42:46quite a
42:47machine
42:47I'd like
42:48to get you
42:48to look
42:48at my
42:49Swamp Rat
42:4932 and
42:504
42:50and see
42:50how it
42:51looks
42:51aerodynamic
42:52in here
42:52because you
42:52got a lot
42:53of experience
42:53in aerodynamics
42:54yeah to
42:55some extent
42:56see if I
42:57was on the
42:57right track
42:58and maybe
42:58give me
42:59some tips
43:00there
43:00well it
43:01couldn't hurt
43:01to run it
43:02through the
43:02computer
43:02I think we'll
43:03do that
43:04well Bob
43:05it's been
43:06great talking
43:07with you
43:07and thanks a
43:08million
43:09I know
43:10from myself
43:11and all
43:11of my fans
43:12we really
43:12thank you
43:13for doing
43:14this interview
43:14it's certainly
43:15been enlightening
43:16well it was my
43:17pleasure
43:18tell us a little
43:21about in the
43:22briefing room
43:22because you
43:23had that on
43:24your tape
43:24tell us a little
43:25bit what happened
43:26when you went
43:27into this room
43:27tell us about
43:28the briefing room
43:29and some of the
43:30things that
43:30happened
43:31there wasn't a
43:33whole lot
43:33it was a small
43:34room
43:34it was
43:35I was essentially
43:37left with a bunch
43:37of briefings
43:39120 some odd
43:40I no longer
43:41can even remember
43:41how many
43:42and basically
43:43they just
43:44contained a
43:45small overview
43:46of each
43:47satellite project
43:49that was going
43:49on
43:50so we all
43:51knew the
43:51existence of
43:52each other
43:52we just didn't
43:53know specifically
43:54what they were
43:54doing
43:55for instance
43:55there was a
43:55group that
43:56was dealing
43:57with the
43:57metallurgy
43:57of the
43:58craft
43:58there was a
43:58group dealing
43:59with
43:59virtually every
44:02aspect of
44:03it
44:03so again
44:05it gave us
44:06just an
44:06overview of
44:07what was
44:07going on
44:08and the
44:09name of
44:09some of
44:10the projects
44:10as
44:11I'm sure
44:12they had
44:13specific
44:13information
44:14dealing with
44:14their project
44:15and just
44:16had a small
44:16overview of
44:17what our
44:17group was
44:18working on
44:18so that's
44:19basically
44:19all it was
44:20was just
44:20reading through
44:21a lot of
44:22that and
44:22along with
44:23some of the
44:23other information
44:24that was
44:25apparently
44:25collected from
44:26the craft
44:27or you know
44:28information that
44:28they had learned
44:29in the past
44:29what can you
44:31tell us about
44:31any bodies
44:32of alien beings
44:35well there
44:36apparently
44:37were some
44:38somewhere
44:38there were
44:39some autopsy
44:40pictures
44:40of a being
44:43I don't know
44:45if that had
44:45to do
44:45if this was
44:46something that
44:47was just
44:47in the history
44:48of the project
44:48or if it was
44:50something that
44:50was there
44:50or if it was
44:51something that
44:51had to relate
44:52to this craft
44:54but of the
44:55two photographs
44:56that I saw
44:57there were only
44:57two there
44:58it was a
44:59small being
45:01just showing
45:01the chest
45:02and the chest
45:03was cut in a
45:04T fashion
45:04with the skin
45:05pulled back
45:06and it was
45:06the thing
45:09had just
45:09one central
45:10organ
45:10as if
45:11that looked
45:12have you ever
45:12seen a liver
45:13in the supermarket
45:14just kind of a
45:15brown almost
45:16liquid looking
45:16thing
45:17but it had
45:18just one central
45:18organ
45:19and then the
45:19next photographs
45:20had the organ
45:21vivisectioned
45:22and it seemed
45:23like all the
45:24organs you normally
45:25had had just
45:26grown together
45:27there was a
45:27section of it
45:28that apparently
45:29pumped blood
45:29another section
45:30of it that
45:30processed air
45:31and it just
45:32seemed to be
45:33one single organ
45:35as opposed to
45:36little separate
45:37units here and
45:38there but it
45:39was and again
45:40there was no
45:40information with
45:41it we were just
45:42given the
45:42information knowing
45:43of the existence
45:44just in case any
45:46information might
45:48help us in
45:50determining you
45:51know what our
45:51particular project
45:52did for instance
45:53we were working
45:54on the power and
45:54propulsion system
45:55there was no
45:56reason for us to
45:57have a tour of
45:58the inside of the
45:58craft however
45:59maybe the placement
46:00of the reactor
46:01was important to
46:02its operation so
46:03we did have to
46:03see where it
46:04was
46:04we did have to
46:05see you know
46:07some satellite
46:08things around
46:09what was going
46:09on
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