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The Jeremy Kyle Show - 24th April 2019
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00:10On today's show, George is here because he says he's 100% certain that his brother Alan is raising a baby. It's not his.
00:19She had sex with a man twice to get back at him. You lot all believe that's when the baby was conceived.
00:25Yes. You say he's stolen money off the family, but he's also been convicted for fraudulently gaining money from old age pensions. Is that right?
00:32Yes. Yes.
00:36Tell me what you just said. What did you say? I said nothing, Jeremy. You said you're going to headbutt him, yeah?
00:40You had sex with another man. Was that unprotected sex? Yes, it was, but I took precautions.
00:46How can we have today to let the world know what you are like?
00:49The DNHS is not sure that Alan, how sure were you?
00:571,000%.
00:58You turned around on the last day of court that I was not allowed to live with you, and what did you do at the last day?
01:15No more! This isn't blowing in court!
01:17Get off! You're in my face! Get off my face! Get off!
01:33Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:35Now, today we're opening up the JK Vault to look at some of our very best family feud episodes before, of course,
01:41unmissable brand new shows start next Monday morning at 9.25.
01:44Now, our first story today involves George, who was embroiled in a huge feud, a huge feud, with his brother Alan.
01:50Take a look at this.
01:54You're still looking younger than you are ten years ago.
01:57Brilliant.
01:59And, Gerald, hold on. I would like to just try...
02:03It looks like Jeremy Carl always says, shut it while he's talking.
02:07What happened when you came on the lie detector last time? You failed it, didn't you?
02:15Didn't you?
02:15George!
02:18You're not putting my mum...
02:20Tell me you're not, you're going...
02:21No, my dad, my dad is 86.
02:23You putting me to grave, you follow.
02:25What?
02:26Yes, me...
02:27Come on.
02:27Be quiet. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up.
02:43You were here ten years ago when I looked a lot older than I do now, but I'm not going to why.
02:50You were here ten years ago for a completely different story.
02:53Ten years later, we welcome you back, George, 46.
02:56My brother is a con artist and his girlfriend's a serial cheat.
03:00Today we're doing DNA on their baby because you say it's utterly true that she's not the, uh, he's not the father.
03:05And also a con artist.
03:06Let's talk first about Alan, why you have this hatred.
03:10Let's talk about it.
03:11Let's get some detail before he starts slagging you off.
03:13Come on.
03:14Well, um, apparently we all thought he was his child, but we've seen photos.
03:20They had a break, didn't they?
03:21In the time there was a break, somebody bumped into her in the chip shop, very elegant.
03:25And apparently she, she had sex with a man twice to get back at him.
03:29You lot all believe that's when the baby was conceived.
03:31Yes, but it was not to get back at him because my brother never cheated on her, so.
03:36But why are you on national television going, that baby's not yours, I'll prove that to you.
03:40Why wouldn't you say, bro, look, we're here for you.
03:42What, what, why the angst?
03:43Why are you so angry with this guy?
03:44He's a con artist, you say.
03:46Yeah, he's a con artist.
03:47He, he, he, he almost owes about 48 grand.
03:5048 grand?
03:51Yes.
03:52That is to me mum.
03:53We've come up to me mum and dad's.
03:55Let's put this into perspective because it's difficult for some people when you come on television and I accept that.
04:00This man who's been shouting this morning, you say has stolen money off the family, but he's also been convicted for fraudulently gaining money from old age pensioners.
04:09Is that right?
04:10Yes, yes.
04:10And he went, he went to prison for that.
04:12So that, you see that immediately in terms of the audience, that, that paints a picture, doesn't it?
04:16Yeah, it's all true.
04:17So you don't, you don't really respect him who would, and you also think, strangely, in converse, he's been taken for a mug by his girlfriend.
04:26Oh, yeah.
04:26Why don't you just wash your hands of him if he's such a lowlife that he'd nick off vulnerable people?
04:30Why would you have anything to do with him?
04:32Right.
04:33You say he's rinsed your family for thousands.
04:39Yes.
04:39He's made you lot look like mugs.
04:42Yeah.
04:42In a way, if he's done that and he's been made a mug by her, does that make you please?
04:48I mean, you say, I'll be laughing all the way home if it comes back he's not the dad because he needs to know how he makes other people feel.
04:54So you're out to humiliate him today.
04:56Oh, yeah.
04:56I wish Alan wasn't my brother.
05:02We've never seen it either.
05:03He's a crook and a liar.
05:04Yes.
05:05Just quickly before we bring him out, the girlfriend, Leona, the one that you say is cheating.
05:09The what?
05:09The Mogadon.
05:10Mogadon?
05:11Mogadon, yeah.
05:13What's that?
05:14That's a pill you take if you want to sleep, isn't it?
05:16No, I use it because I've got to respect you.
05:20You don't like the word, the S, the S, you know.
05:23What were you going to say to him when a Mogadon is?
05:25My mother used to take them to sleep.
05:26What are you doing now?
05:27I call them because they bore me to sleep.
05:29It's like her.
05:30Well, what is she?
05:31Shut up.
05:32What's her proper name?
05:34She's a...
05:36She's a liar.
05:43George, she's what?
05:44A liar?
05:44Anyway, I'm getting him out because I've got a headache.
05:47Al's in grey today.
05:48Have a good time.
05:49Alan's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
05:55I'm going to be short on him because I'll headbutt him.
05:58What did you just say?
06:00Stand up and tell me what you just said.
06:01What did you say?
06:02I said nothing, Jeremy.
06:02You said you're going to headbutt him, yeah?
06:04Me?
06:04Well, that's good because that's just gone out and matched on television.
06:07Idiots that sit down and don't make threats, all right?
06:10It's a problem.
06:11It's a problem.
06:12It's a problem.
06:13Lower yourself to that level, then.
06:15Level more.
06:16You know what?
06:16Do you go to work?
06:19What do you do?
06:20What do you do?
06:20Hold on a second, Mr. Morality.
06:23You went to prison for fraudulently getting money off OAPs.
06:27That's right.
06:27So where are you sat there?
06:28I don't have to go anywhere else.
06:29Oh, but don't tell me that you're in prison, is it?
06:31Yeah, I did my mistakes.
06:33I did the crime.
06:33I've done the time, Jeremy.
06:34I've come out a better person.
06:36I've met Leona.
06:37Who's cheated on you?
06:38No, she hasn't cheated on me.
06:39But that's what he's saying.
06:40Oh, that's what he's heard.
06:42Are all these people jealous of your relationship with Leona?
06:44Yeah, because me and Leona's got a...
06:45Me and Leona's got a lot, all right?
06:47I love my son so much, George.
06:49How old is your son?
06:49Well, he might not be your son.
06:5016 months.
06:51What?
06:5116 months.
06:5216 months.
06:53Yeah.
06:53I love him with all my heart.
06:54And you know I do, George.
06:55What if he's not yours?
06:56If he's not mine, it doesn't matter.
06:57I'll take him on as me.
06:58Right.
06:58I love him so much, Jeremy.
06:59He won't be...
07:00I'll even cut my right arm off for him.
07:03I love him.
07:03So is that...
07:03I love him so much.
07:04No, we can't.
07:05I love him so much, Tony.
07:06You know that.
07:07And what makes me laugh, though, George?
07:09You're there going...
07:10No, no, no, no, listen, listen, right.
07:13If you love your son, right, our family brought him a car like a...
07:18Oh, yeah, go on.
07:19Why are we going on about this car?
07:20I'm here.
07:21I'm here for my son.
07:23I'm not bothered by...
07:24I'm not bothered by you...
07:25She's saying it's your son.
07:26Right.
07:26She's saying it's your son.
07:28Where are the doubts?
07:28Be quiet about the bloody car.
07:30Right.
07:30Why are we...
07:31Right.
07:32The doubts have come from their side.
07:34The doubts haven't come from me, Jeremy.
07:35Why have you gone from that side?
07:37But you've conned them all out of money.
07:39And...
07:3948 grand, apparently.
07:41I'd like to know where 48 grand's come from, George.
07:43Why aren't you paying back?
07:44You've had spanking, you've had two cars from the show, Ruth.
07:46Oh, right, two cars.
07:48Right, this has got...
07:49Right, end of day.
07:50This is what...
07:50My mum's telling you there.
07:51What have you got?
07:52My mum and dad.
07:53My mum and dad has helped me out.
07:55Yeah, I owe me hands up, George.
07:57I do owe my mum money.
07:58How much?
07:59Me?
07:59I bet you're talking, what, in total about...
08:03Wait, tell me, about 20 grand, George, is that I owe my mum and dad?
08:06Well, that's a...
08:06Well, what did my mum and dad say?
08:08Sorry, do you think that's acceptable?
08:10Why are you sat here playing Dad of the Year?
08:13The man who found the right way to go when he committed the crime.
08:17Why don't you go to work and pay him back?
08:19I do go to work and pay him back then.
08:22You've got to realise, right?
08:24You've got to realise...
08:26What about Mark?
08:28What about Mark?
08:29Who is...
08:29Mark is the brother-in-law.
08:31Yeah.
08:31Right, and he's turned around and said to me, and I've actually heard it myself.
08:36He's watching this.
08:37That's Mark.
08:37I'm glad he's watching it.
08:39But then he's got...
08:40I'm here today to let the world know what you are like.
08:42Well, am I?
08:43So you're telling me then that Mark can't tell him what you're off?
08:45You're a cheat.
08:46You're a con artist.
08:47You're a con artist.
08:47I'm a con artist.
08:48Can I tell you something?
08:50Go on.
08:50Right.
08:51Just say it.
08:52Just say it, George.
08:53Come on!
08:54Mate, listen to that.
08:55I'm telling you something like that.
08:56You better see it.
08:57That man who...
08:59The same old man...
09:00He's helped me out loose, George.
09:01I'm going to be able to buy...
09:02He's helped me out loose.
09:03You took off him.
09:04I admit you owe your parents 20 grand.
09:06Frankly, you should pay it back.
09:07Is he right, Jeremy?
09:07There's a bloke over there in a wheelchair.
09:09Not a wheelchair.
09:10A motorist thing with that.
09:11He owes more than that.
09:11Shut up.
09:12He owes him money as well.
09:13He's on later.
09:14You're with 23-year-old Leona.
09:16You say they're making up.
09:18The kid's not yours.
09:18You love your kid.
09:19You cut your right arm off.
09:21Would that be a summary of the mess I've been watching for the last 10 minutes, yeah?
09:25Yeah.
09:28So much more after this break.
09:29We're coming right back with the JK Vault special next.
09:34Is the baby yours?
09:37Yes.
09:37Is the baby is?
09:39Yes.
09:39Are you 1,010% sure?
09:42Yes.
09:44Go, Everett, Everett.
09:45Go on.
09:46Stay on.
09:46Offer an innocent baby.
09:52Be ready for this, people.
09:58Look at this, Stacey.
09:59Yes, I know.
09:59Look at this.
10:00I'm going to wipe the floor with you today, boy.
10:08Of course he was telling us.
10:09Go, Everett!
10:10Go, Everett!
10:10Go, Everett!
10:11Go, Everett!
10:11Go, Everett!
10:12Go, Everett!
10:12Go, Everett!
10:13Go, Everett!
10:13Go, Everett!
10:14Go, Everett!
10:14Go, Everett!
10:15Go, Everett!
10:16Go, Everett!
10:17Go, Everett!
10:18Your daughter has felt abandoned by you.
10:20And today is about trying to heal that.
10:23I want you to help me.
10:24Christy's back on the Jeremy Carl Show.
10:30What have you got?
10:31I've got one, really.
10:32I can't be a big...
10:33Let's have a look at a picture.
10:34Let's have a look at a picture.
10:35Oh, Shane, did you...
10:36Did he when he...
10:37Did he when he...
10:38...me that day, did he?
10:39No.
10:40That's what I do for a living!
10:41Did he when he...
10:42Did he when he...
10:43Did he when he...
10:44That's what I do for a living?
10:45That's what I do for a living!
10:47Go, Everett!
10:48Go, Everett!
10:49Go, Everett!
10:50Go, Everett!
10:55Thank you very much, Jadeep.
10:56Welcome back to today's JK special, where we're unlocking the vault to look back at some
11:00Shocking family feud stories. Don't forget, by the way, I keep telling you, but Explosive, brand new shows start Monday morning at 9.25.
11:07Now, let's find out now the results of the all-important DNA test.
11:11Will it put an end to this massive family feud or not? Take a look at this.
11:19Why do you look so smug, you con artist? You have stolen off an old man. You have been to prison. You do owe your parents.
11:26Which I do owe my parents as well. I'm not going to lie.
11:28Why don't you pay them back then? Why don't you pay them back then?
11:31Because my mum and dad, I'll say to them, I'm going to pay you back.
11:34But they turn around and say, pay me back when you're good and ready because I'm in no rush.
11:38What do you make of Leona, the girl he's with, the mother of the child that you say is and is?
11:42What did you call her earlier? Mogadon.
11:45Mogadon. And what's one of them?
11:46It's a sleeping tablet.
11:48What's one of them?
11:50You called her a... What did you call her?
11:52I called her... What is it?
11:54A s*** because she slept with a s***.
11:55Apparently, I've got five witnesses. Yeah, I'm deaf. I have balance problems.
12:00Five witnesses?
12:00They hear they say, Alan, put the phone down or let deaf and dumb s*** buy my language.
12:06I'm sorry about that.
12:07Now...
12:07George.
12:08Is she lying? Is she a con artist? Does she cheat?
12:11She's on the Jeremy Kyle show. She's called Leona that way.
12:14S***, man.
12:17S***, man.
12:21S***, shut up. You know that he's lying. He's saying...
12:25No, he's saying he had his bad 20...
12:27George, we're not... Are we here about that?
12:29We're not here about that.
12:30We're not here about that.
12:31Sorry, hold on a minute. George, you've had your s*** and you have us all.
12:33Welcome to the Jeremy Kyle show. Important you put your side.
12:36Have you cheated on him?
12:37No, I haven't.
12:38But you told him to blow down the chip shot you had.
12:39110% I haven't cheated on my partner.
12:42110%?
12:42What does that mean? Sorry, one second. What does that mean?
12:47It's just... I'm certain I haven't cheated.
12:49I'm just going to do a little lesson for everybody watching. I wasn't great at mathematics.
12:52Percentage nought to 100. We can't do this 110.
12:56That's a right. 100 maximum.
12:58Apparently, according to him, you were waltzing around the town saying,
13:01proud of the fact you cheated on him.
13:03Cheated twice. That's what you told us, right?
13:05Yeah.
13:06When were this?
13:07Oh, we don't know. We weren't there.
13:10Did you cheat on him?
13:11You're not saying you're not cheating on him.
13:13Your eyes are different. You did have sex with somebody, didn't you?
13:15No.
13:15Come on, when you split up.
13:16No.
13:17You might not be the...
13:17When me and my partner wasn't together, yes.
13:21When what together?
13:22This.
13:23Why?
13:23How soon after you split up with Big Al was it that you...
13:29How soon was it that you had sex with somebody else?
13:32About two and a half weeks after.
13:34Well, that was a little bit, actually.
13:37That's quite a result on this show. Usually it's about two and a half hours.
13:39Wait, I'm talking to her. Stop smelling your armpits.
13:44But also...
13:44So, you and Al, and you're right to have your say.
13:49Absolutely right.
13:49You had a problem in the relationship.
13:52You split up.
13:52How long did you split up for?
13:54We split up till November.
13:56From when?
13:57From 20th of July till...
14:00Towards end of November.
14:01At some point in August, you had sex with another man. Was that unprotected sex?
14:06Yes, it was, but I took precautions.
14:10Did you use anything?
14:12No, but I went to the chemist and got the morning after pill.
14:17You are absolutely, you tell my team, 1,000% sure that Alan is the father.
14:22My baby's father.
14:22Now, there seem to be two issues.
14:23If we can just bring it down, because George has done very well.
14:26He has, as he pointed out, he's got a hearing aid and he's come out here
14:27and he's defending his parents' honour, and I like that.
14:29There seems to be this whole thing about the family are saying that the kid isn't Alan's.
14:33But what's really interesting is that this family hate this man
14:36because they call him a con artist, and in fact, you're as bad
14:38because Mark, who's out the back,
14:40you two borrowed £3,500 of him, didn't you?
14:44Yes.
14:45Why haven't you paid it back? Not you.
14:46Why haven't you paid it back?
14:47Because I don't get no money to pay him back.
14:49No, no, no.
14:50You haven't got any money to pay...
14:52No, no, no.
14:52Be quiet!
14:53He goes out and we'll have been three days a week!
14:55Shut him up!
14:55Wait!
14:56Sorry!
14:59You can't just borrow money off somebody and not give it back.
15:02How do you manage?
15:04How are you going to pay him back is what I'm asking.
15:06How do you manage, in the end, to pay this man back?
15:10How are you going to do it?
15:11You get out here as well.
15:12How are you going to pay him back?
15:16How are you going to pay him back?
15:17Move out of the way.
15:19Move.
15:19How are you going to pay him back?
15:21You've got to pay somebody back when you borrow money.
15:27Johnny Vegas.
15:29Come on.
15:30He nearly died twice.
15:38He's been turned down an operation.
15:40And this is how you pick this man who's over too well.
15:44You're a scum.
15:45You're a liar.
15:46He nearly died.
15:46Right.
15:47Did I turn around and...
15:48Did I all my hands and plans say to you, Mark, that I do owe you the money?
15:51Did I say it on the phone?
15:52How long ago?
15:52Did I say it?
15:53How long ago?
15:54How long ago?
15:55How long ago?
15:55And what did I say to you?
15:566th February this year.
15:58I want to see the loan agreement.
16:00So how come I've not seen the loan agreement?
16:01You took the money.
16:02Why didn't you take the money before there was a loan agreement?
16:05It was 20.
16:06It was 20.
16:08Right.
16:08You can talk as much as you want, Mark.
16:10Right.
16:10So how come you said to us you even wanted the money.
16:16You wanted us to pay us, you, £200 a month.
16:19Plus you wanted our baby's money as well.
16:22Why did I want your baby's money?
16:23You might not be your baby.
16:24Whoa, whoa, whoa, no.
16:25Might not be your baby.
16:26What?
16:27Might not be your baby.
16:28It's my turn.
16:29Sorry, can I just very calmly ask you, you lent the money?
16:31I did, sir, yes.
16:32And I've got a receipt in there that we've all signed.
16:36It's in the front, little piece of paper.
16:40No, that's kind of Coke.
16:41It's in the Coke.
16:43It's in the Coke.
16:48It's strange.
16:50It's strange.
16:53Be strong.
16:55Go, Jersey.
16:56Go, Jersey.
16:59Just be strong.
16:59Whether there was a signed agreement or not, could I just say something to you very calmly before I have a breakdown?
17:04You took off your brother-in-law, or borrowed, £3,500 to pay debts.
17:09Right.
17:10To pay debts.
17:10Because...
17:10You accept that he gave you the money.
17:12Right.
17:12Why don't you pay him back then?
17:13I want to pay him back.
17:15But you can't afford to?
17:16Don't borrow it in the first place, then.
17:25You don't have the money.
17:26You don't have the money.
17:27Well...
17:27I didn't say that, did I?
17:28You just said it.
17:29No, I didn't say that.
17:30You're going wrong.
17:30I don't want to see the loan agreement.
17:32Can I move it away from the money and bring you back in, Leona, but certainly you, Mark.
17:36What's your view?
17:37It strikes me that George, and I'm not being disrespectful, out of love and loyalty to his parents, is defending the situation about the money.
17:44I get that.
17:45And you have a personal situation there.
17:46What's your view on this child?
17:48It's almost like, I don't know whether George and the family are using this, hear me out, to beat him over the head because they're angry about the money.
17:55What's your view about this child?
17:56My view, Jeremy, and the others, obviously, I can't believe you actually take off your mum and dad, but getting back to Leighton, when have I ever said to you guys that I don't believe for one minute it is yours?
18:09When have I ever said that?
18:10Right.
18:10I'll stop you there.
18:11Never.
18:11Right.
18:12When me and Leona, right, what do I...
18:14Sorry, can I say something?
18:15You told my team this morning you're only 50-50.
18:1750-50, yeah, because...
18:18Right, you tell Mark, you tell Mark what Mark said to you when you sat on the wall with your...
18:23Oh.
18:23And you tell Mark, you tell Mark what he said to you.
18:26Yeah, for a ride.
18:27About when he sat on that wall, we think, what did he get to see me?
18:30He's got that big one, ain't he?
18:33Now, you've all died later, and since me being pregnant with him.
18:37What is it?
18:37Is the baby yours?
18:39Yes.
18:40Is the baby is?
18:41Yes.
18:41Are you 1,010% sure?
18:44Yes, I am.
18:45Now that...
18:45Take a look at that beautiful baby.
18:48You've got a big hit.
18:49Right?
18:49He's what I'm...
18:50Oh, you baby.
18:51You said...
18:52I'm here for him.
18:53You...
18:53Come here for you two.
18:54I'm here for him.
18:55You blatantly accused my brother-in-law, Mark, of taking money off you.
19:00Oh, not a minute.
19:01Did he come bothered about it?
19:02That's who I'm bothered about.
19:04My son-maker...
19:05Can I make a judge?
19:06No, obviously no.
19:07So why did you say one thing to me when you said to Leona that I am...
19:11You said to Leona so I go...
19:12Jeremy wants to speak.
19:13Go on.
19:14Yeah, if you could.
19:14It's called The Jeremy Carr Show.
19:15Thank you very much.
19:17Can I point something out?
19:19If you're right, okay, don't get me wrong.
19:21If you're right and he looks like you, it's your kid and the family have, for whatever reason,
19:27used it as a thing to beat the other...
19:29Can I ask you a question?
19:29Your son, I guess you'd like him to grow up being proud of you, yeah?
19:33Yeah.
19:34You're going to tell him you've gone to prison for defraudently taking money off people.
19:37Are you going to be honest?
19:37I'll be honest.
19:38We'll be honest.
19:39Well, wouldn't a better way as well, not only one day to tell him that if he's your kid,
19:43but also to try, however small, to repay your debt so people's opinion of you changes further
19:50down the line.
19:50That's what I want to do.
19:52That's what I want to do for him here.
19:55I could not lie straight when you started work.
19:59She gets money for her sentence.
20:01How?
20:01Can we just forget the money?
20:03I want to concentrate on what looks like a beautiful kid, by the way.
20:05Yeah, a con artist is.
20:05How sure are you?
20:06You're the child's father.
20:07100%.
20:08100%.
20:09You are?
20:09After this, I've done with you.
20:101,000%.
20:111,000%.
20:12It's like I've turned around and said, only the way, only the way, if Layton's not mine,
20:17if he's not mine, Mark, and which I've already told some of the producers,
20:20you just told me you're 100% sure.
20:23I know, boys.
20:23She's just told me she's 1,000% sure.
20:26There you go.
20:27Before you open that, sir, no, seriously.
20:29Before you open that, you mentioned about how he cares about his son.
20:34Yes.
20:35And that we never think, and he's told your producers that we don't care about his son.
20:40No, I'd say you don't care about him.
20:41I loaned that baby to the bones, guys, and I bought him a 190-pound car, and he's gone and
20:46sell it to him.
20:47Have I?
20:47Yes, you have.
20:48Have I?
20:48Yes, you have.
20:49Have I?
20:50Did I tell him to say to you that you don't sell for him?
20:54You stole from the earth's soul.
20:56I didn't say you don't care for him.
20:57You took the pleasure.
20:58No, you've denied him.
20:59You've denied he's not mine.
21:00You've denied he's not mine.
21:03Cottage, cottage.
21:04You've not even denied.
21:05Sorry, so you're 1,000% sure he's the dad, despite the fact they say you were in the local
21:09chip shop saying you cheated on him twice, and he's not the father.
21:13You say you're 100%.
21:14You are how sure that that, you've been very adamant, George, forget the money.
21:17You told my team all morning, this kid is not his.
21:21Why?
21:22Why?
21:23Why?
21:24Because we've seen two photos, and the photos look exactly that match, one was later.
21:29Right, anyway, fine.
21:30You said, you said, I've never said you're not the father, and then you said to my team,
21:35I'm only 50-50.
21:36Well, 50-50, because of the...
21:37So, 50% of the time you are saying he's not.
21:4050% of the time, yeah, you're right.
21:42Yeah, so you answered it.
21:43But what I've said, Jeremy, is all the battering that they've been going, and the talking that
21:48they've been doing, they've done it in not a proper manner.
21:51Even though I've been threatened as well.
21:53Excuse me, it's my turn.
21:54I've been threatened to be locked out by a friend.
21:55George, George.
21:56Yeah?
21:57Sorry.
21:58He's hard work, he is, guys.
22:01Right.
22:02I love you.
22:03Can I do the results?
22:04The DNA testers won't show.
22:05We love you, too.
22:06We love you, too.
22:07Aww.
22:08The DNA testers won't show that Alan, how sure were you?
22:12A thousand percent.
22:13Because he's not the child's guy.
22:14Yeah!
22:15Yeah!
22:16Get back, get back, see you there.
22:21See you there, and then sugar.
22:23What are you going to do?
22:25Steve!
22:26Steve!
22:27You've got a bit more dignified than that, see you there.
22:29No, ever, ever, ever.
22:30What?
22:31What?
22:32No, ever, ever.
22:33Steal off an innocent baby.
22:34We're not finished there, my friends.
22:39There's more to this after the break.
22:40We're coming back in three.
22:41You put my daddy the grave.
22:43Get ready.
22:44Get ready.
22:45I want to talk to a woman who sat on national television and blatantly lied.
22:51What have you been listening for?
22:53He's mine.
22:54I'll look after him.
22:55Yeah, but he's...
22:56So you know, you know...
22:57Oh, sure of you.
22:58Sweet, Courtney.
22:59Yeah.
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23:54Now, let's take a look now and see if the brothers at war finally could settle their family feud.
24:00Take a look at this.
24:04I absolutely understand that the bloke stole from somebody and went to prison.
24:08I understand, from your parents' point of view, that you're angry he's conned them.
24:12You're better than glorifying in the fact that he's just found out that his woman's lied to him.
24:17So, in your own way, nice and quiet, go back, you've said your piece and I'll deal with that, alright?
24:22Thank you for coming up.
24:23Thank you for your time.
24:24Give me a round of applause.
24:25I'm going up well.
24:26Thank you, guys.
24:27I want you to be able to do the part.
24:28Yeah, I will.
24:29Thank you very much.
24:31I've never saw a lot of my baby thing now.
24:33Right, let's just calm this, let's just calm this down.
24:36Get rid of them, please.
24:37I don't want any shouting and screaming.
24:39Right, I went in for that.
24:40I've came out a better person.
24:41Shh.
24:42Can you get rid of them, please?
24:44I'll tell you one thing I want to say.
24:46I absolutely know we live in a society.
24:49Can you get rid of them, please?
24:51We live in a society where you do wrong, you commit your crime, you do your time.
24:57And beyond that, you have your conscience to answer to about whether you feel you've changed
25:02enough.
25:03You also have your conscience to answer whether...
25:05You put my money back.
25:06The disabled people.
25:07You put my money back.
25:08His anger is based on the fact that you owe your father money.
25:13Which I do.
25:14And he will then do and take the reasonable steps to pay that money back.
25:19I want to talk to a woman who sat on national television and blatantly lied.
25:24Because you said, and I quote, don't give me a sob story, love.
25:27I'm a thousand percent sure.
25:28I'm moving away from the money.
25:29I was sure.
25:30Well, how can you be?
25:31Because...
25:32Because you're a liar.
25:33No, because I said it, that I was sure that it's his baby because I went from going on
25:40the midwife states, what they told me before I went for my scan.
25:43How did you react to...
25:44How do you feel now?
25:45I've told you that he's not.
25:46How do you think that will affect you too?
25:47I'm gutted.
25:48How will it affect you too?
25:49Strong.
25:50You're strong.
25:51Tell me you're strong.
25:52It makes me even more strong enough.
25:54The thing that really interests me about you, if we can just bring this down.
25:57You talk the talk.
26:00You're honest about the fact that you made a mistake.
26:03You're honest about the fact that you say you've changed.
26:06You need to prove that to people.
26:08Just hear me out.
26:09There is a part of me that watches that and thinks they're just out to score cheap points.
26:14But actually, mate, they were right.
26:16Did they do that because they cared about you?
26:18No.
26:19They were trying to get you humiliated.
26:21However, you can say they have just cause because of what he's saying you've done to the parents.
26:27Why are you crying?
26:28Hey.
26:29Come on, baby.
26:30Come on.
26:31Come on.
26:32All right.
26:33All right.
26:34All right.
26:35Well, that's sorry to him.
26:36Don't worry.
26:37Don't worry.
26:38I'm sorry for.
26:39He's mine.
26:40I'll look after him.
26:41It's not.
26:42Yeah, but he's the back.
26:43So, you know, you know.
26:44Oh, sure, you know, sweet corn teeth.
26:45You know, you know who the dialogical father is.
26:47Yeah.
26:48It's only one person.
26:49And you'll be able to be honest about that to that person?
26:51Because I don't want nothing to do with him.
26:53Right.
26:54You want to tell him why.
26:55Shush, shush, shush.
26:56No, you're not going to tell me why because that person isn't here to defend themselves.
26:59What I would say to you is this.
27:00Every child has a right to know it's father.
27:02Yeah, I know that.
27:03With the aftercare team in a quiet and calm way.
27:06We'll talk about this.
27:07But, okay.
27:08Don't play God with the child's life.
27:09I'm not there too.
27:10Because you want your happy little family to work.
27:11I'm not there too.
27:12Because you want your happy little family to work.
27:13No.
27:14So do the right thing.
27:15Listen to me.
27:16You can do the right thing by this kid.
27:17Yeah.
27:18Do the right thing by your parents.
27:19I'll deal with the rest.
27:20I'll leave you with Graham.
27:21Thank you very much indeed.
27:22Thank you very much indeed.
27:23Thank you very much indeed.
27:24Thank you very much.
27:26I'm going to say something now because I'm sick and tired of the screaming and the shouting
27:39and the histrionics.
27:40Listen to me.
27:41Do not interrupt me.
27:42Listen to me.
27:43There is a word called dignity.
27:44Right.
27:45Yes.
27:46You are angry about what happened to your parents.
27:47Right.
27:48But now, you've had your moment.
27:50Act with dignity.
27:51Your brother has made mistakes.
27:54Has vowed on camera that he's going to make those mistakes right.
27:57Hear me out.
27:58He's just been dealt quite a crushing blow and taken it in quite a decent way.
28:02Maybe this will be a light.
28:03Maybe it won't.
28:04Maybe he'll forever be the person that steals.
28:06Fine.
28:07But you do not need the histrionics.
28:09You're better than that.
28:10You walk away saying, I was right.
28:13I'm going to give you the opportunity to pay my parents back and then get on with my
28:16life.
28:17Okay?
28:18That's all.
28:19Yes?
28:20Yes?
28:21Yes?
28:22Yes?
28:23Up next, a mother and daughter completely at loggerheads.
28:26A major feud.
28:27It's next on the JK Show.
28:28The JK Show.
28:29What did that thing?
28:30Get off me.
28:31Sorry, could you do me a favour and go back until I see you?
28:32Come on.
28:33Thank you so much.
28:34You're a cheeky.
28:35Sit down.
28:36Sit down.
28:37Sit down.
28:38Don't start.
28:39Jesus, it's coming.
28:40I don't even know why I bother even being here.
28:41I might as well just sit here and people just go, hello.
28:43Hello Jeremy.
28:44Welcome to the show, Susan 54.
28:45Yes?
28:46Uh, Sarah's mum, an interesting legal guardian to Sarah's child.
29:03Susan 54 yes, as Sarah's mum an interestingly legal guardian to Sarah's child
29:10Yeah, my attention-seeking daughter blames me for everything. She's rude and narcissistic
29:15She's a nightmare, and she cares more about her own pathetic life. I fought to keep her child
29:20She doesn't care tell me more. He started 12 years ago, and she came out of foster care came home to me
29:27And I found out that she'd been moved from foster care to foster care because they couldn't handle it
29:32And she came home to me darling. I'll give you a chance in a minute. All right
29:40No, I will give you a chance in a minute not never I will oh
29:44Carry on I'll lose the picture Matt, please you give me a day go and what anyway, and we
29:49Currently her youngest child yeah, Aurora. Yes you have custody of Aurora. We have special guardianship
29:55Yes, um when I got custody she was only bothered about losing a benefit she does
29:59Hey, she doesn't deserve to be a mum why
30:03well
30:05How
30:06Well once you smoke on my team. She's supposed to see a kid. She doesn't turn up. She'd be heard of smoke cannabis and go out with her mates
30:13Yes
30:15More about dog than she does about her daughter
30:17My dog yeah?
30:19What did I do? What did I do? Did I not get rid of my daisy?
30:23Can you do me a favor right? I cannot do this and does I get a chance to do that?
30:28Yes, because she has a right to speak so until I ask you to come on get off
30:32Is that getting out of my face?
30:34You're in my face get off my face get off
30:36Get off
30:38Get off
30:39I'm happy for she has to speak then you can love that's how it works. Thank you deal with it
30:44It's called the jeremy car show and I'm supposed to be in charge
30:50Why are you here today? I've had enough I don't want anything to do with her the only time she needs to phone me is about her daughter and
30:58We don't want that
31:01Sarah accuses me of getting a daughter to call me mummy. She knows that Aurora calls me now
31:05I'm doing everything for her. I'm bringing up a kid and she disrespects me and shouts at me and screams and does whatever yes
31:12Yes, you told my team she wasn't a
31:16Prime example you say she was a nightmare charge you could tell from it. Where are you going now? Oh?
31:23Good morning and welcome to the jeremy carl show another nice calm morning on ITV. Where's she going now?
31:29You're smiling like you're used to this she's very history on it. This is my life
31:36For 12 years since she's had the nightmare. Yes, this is what she's like
31:42With this all the time she'll be nice for a few weeks and then she'll fall out with a friend
31:48Or she could she oh something she spat in your face. Yes
31:51When she first came out of care, I did actually slap her for it to be honest because I was so shocked
31:57She was sick who suggested coming here. How are you? She did why?
32:03Because she's been threatening me with Jeremy carl show if I didn't do what she wanted me to do
32:10Some people might consider a nice day out
32:13Do me a flavor come with me quietly. We're going that way. You're right graham
32:17Excellent news tremendous give graham a round of applause
32:20Do me a favor and stay calm all right where am I going?
32:26The point about this whole thing is everybody has to have their say I want to hear what Sarah said but we're running around all over the place
32:36Good darling I want to hear what you're saying
32:38She's not a mum mate. I want to hear that right, but I can't do it when you're shouting in her face
32:43I'm going to say something because I'm going to go to a break because she's going to get a chance of we're going out there
32:46Guess what your whole thing out there was marvelous wasn't it for the last 12 years?
32:51I've done this I've done that I've done the other I'm amazing amazing mother
32:56Here's the question before we go back out there
32:58I might suggest she's screwed up because for the 30 years before that or 20 you weren't around love
33:04That's why she screwed up
33:07More after the break of the JK special we're coming right back
33:10You told me the court judge that you could no longer have me living there
33:16No, I'm not what we said
33:17So why is it in black and white hour in my pursuit of life?
33:19We said in an ideal world
33:21Ideal world
33:22Don't keep walking off, you're not going to help
33:28What does this mean?
33:32Everything late, it's my whole life
33:34Why are you here babe?
33:36Because I want my mum
33:37Why should I help you?
33:39Because I want a better life
33:41You're losing your mum, you're losing your dad
33:43And most of all, you're losing your little kid
33:44You know that, don't you?
33:45You've destroyed your mother
33:47You've lied to your family
33:48You have to take control back, Kristen
33:51She's here
33:56You're full biological sisters
34:03She was telling the truth on every question
34:12She said that this would change your lives
34:1732 years, it's your brother on the Jeremy Carr show
34:23So now here today
34:26And with Jeremy Cale
34:27I now want to try and make you smile
34:31For our marriage vows
34:33I would like to renew
34:34That would be nothing
34:36Nothing without you
34:38Are you embarrassed by a parent?
34:52Perhaps they're on dating websites
34:53And meeting strangers for sex
34:55Are you ashamed of them?
34:56Maybe they're out clubbing
34:57When you think they should be at home
34:58Growing old gracefully
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35:28We've been looking at some of our most memorable family feud stories
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35:36Let's go back though
35:37To Sarah and Susan
35:39And see if they manage to resolve their family feud
35:41Do you understand what I said to you before the break?
35:46No wonder she's back
35:47How old is she? 28?
35:48Yeah
35:48Talk about the last 12 years
35:49She was in care from what age?
35:52Not well was she with me
35:53She wasn't
35:55She went back to her dad
35:56Why wouldn't she be with her mother?
35:58Because she was always a daddy's girl
35:59She didn't want to be with her
36:00Yeah, but you don't just give a kid up
36:01And go, ah, she prefers to be with her dad
36:02I didn't give her up
36:03But were you in her life?
36:04Yes
36:04Well then if her dad was so bad
36:06And she went into care
36:07Why didn't a perfect mother get her out of care
36:08And bring her up?
36:11I understand that
36:13If her father was
36:14And he's not here to defend himself
36:16What you say was
36:17I can't judge that
36:18And she went into care
36:19Surely any good parent
36:20The other parent
36:21Will go to care and say
36:22I'll bring her up
36:23I'll tell you why she's hacked off
36:24Because she thinks
36:25You've been no example whatsoever
36:28That's what it's about
36:29Sarah's on the Jeremy Kyle show
36:31That way
36:31I want to hear
36:40I want to hear
36:40I don't want
36:41Well, you can scream whatever you want
36:43But I want to know the truth
36:44What age
36:45What age do you go in care?
36:47I was in care from the age of
36:5013, 14 to the age of 16
36:54What was your mum like growing up?
36:56She said you were a daddy's girl
36:57Damn right, I'm a daddy's girl
36:58He's been there for me for
36:59She's been nowhere
37:02Nowhere
37:04Maybe that's because your dad moved
37:06And that stops you from getting money off the child people
37:09To come and see me, does it?
37:11I didn't know where you were
37:12Ridiculous
37:13You could crazily go and tell these people
37:16Yeah, you could have done more
37:17Top line from Sarah to my team this morning
37:20My mother was always drunk
37:22And sleeping with different men
37:24When I was in bed with her
37:25I was only three or four
37:27That's what she remembers
37:28Are you going to tell me that's a lie?
37:29That's a bad past
37:31Yes
37:31And she knows this
37:32It's not a reason to abdicate your responsibilities as a mother, is it?
37:39I'm simply trying to tell you
37:41Because you ain't done very good, have you?
37:44But maybe she's messed up because it's the circle here
37:47And don't you think I've tried to get her all the help I possibly can?
37:49I don't, no, no
37:50They put me on the street
37:51Me and my partner
37:53Where's your daughter living at the moment?
37:55Any idea?
37:57Yeah, staying round her friend's house
37:58I'll show you it
37:59I'll show you where your daughter's at
38:00I'll show
38:01That's what your daughter's living in
38:03That's fine
38:04That's what your daughter's living in
38:06A day of the
38:06That's not what you told me the other day
38:10Friends, no, darling
38:11And the reason why I was that
38:12Because I had an infection
38:14Remember, mum?
38:15And I rang you up
38:16Tell you
38:17Jeremy
38:18Can I show you this?
38:20This is a court thing
38:21I haven't got my glasses
38:22Why
38:23She, what she was like
38:25When we were supporting her
38:27And why it was that like?
38:28Because you turned around
38:30We've gone down in court
38:30On the last day of court
38:31That I was not allowed to live with you
38:33And you
38:34Master of thumb
38:35The whole way through that court proceedings
38:37That me, you, and a
38:38Grow up
38:39All
38:40Together
38:41Right, wrong
38:41And what did you do
38:42You knew it in court
38:43No, mum
38:44You knew it in court
38:46You told the court judge
38:49That you could no longer have me
38:51Living there
38:51No, that is not what we said
38:52No?
38:53So why is it in black and white
38:54Out in my person
38:55We said
38:55In an ideal world
38:57Ideal world
38:58Don't keep walking off
39:01You're not gonna help
39:02Look at me
39:03Come here
39:04Come here
39:04Come here
39:05Mate, I'm not doing this
39:06Come here
39:07For me
39:08Come here
39:08For you
39:09Listen to me
39:09She ain't no mum, mate
39:11I know that
39:11But you ain't gonna
39:12Listen to me
39:13Listen to me
39:14Look at me
39:15I know you wouldn't be here
39:17Unless you wanted to sort this out
39:18Look at me
39:19I'm just tired of rowing over my daughter
39:21It's not fair
39:22She's not the one
39:23Who's been put here
39:25The only way
39:27She won't ask to be brought here
39:28The only way that this works
39:30Right
39:30Is if both sides
39:32Raw as this show has always been
39:34Actually listen
39:36Look at me
39:36Go start this
39:38Try to explain to her how
39:41You
39:42I hate her
39:42Listen to me
39:43Come here if you hated her
39:45Look at me
39:45Look at me
39:46I'm gonna put something to you
39:47I've got lots to say to you
39:48But keep running off
39:49Sorry
39:50I absolutely understand
39:53When you're not given a good start
39:54And what you see
39:56And what you glean
39:57From your parents
39:58Stroke parents
39:59Is gonna make you behave
40:00The way you are
40:01But
40:01You've made mistakes
40:03I've made a hell of a lot of mistakes
40:04And she is not responsible for those
40:06Do you want to know something
40:07That's really ironic
40:08Go on
40:09You and your mother
40:10Are mirror images of each other
40:11Yeah
40:12You've been through the same thing
40:13And do you know what
40:14I think today's about
40:15We're saying this to the producer
40:16This morning
40:16Surely
40:18How old's Aurora
40:19Two
40:19If you two don't sort it out
40:21And I can do all of that
40:23Aurora is gonna end up like you
40:25Exactly
40:26You'll be mark three
40:27Of your mother and you
40:28So rather than the histrionics
40:29And the screaming
40:30Get out there
40:31And let's do this properly
40:32And decently
40:33Get out there
40:34That's the point
40:35Okay
40:35Do it decently
40:39Otherwise we're not gonna get in the point
40:41Otherwise there's no point in being
40:43I can see right and wrong on both sides
40:50Without any shadow of a doubt
40:52Her daughter
40:53Yes
40:54How did you get guardianship of her daughter
40:56Well basically what it was
40:58They were going to take her off her
41:00And put her into care
41:01Because of her volatile and aggressive behaviour
41:03You never
41:03Concerns about the way she
41:06Tell her
41:08Talk to her
41:08Cat litter tray in the kitchen
41:09No it's not
41:10No
41:11No
41:11Are you sure I know a mum
41:12A cat litter tray
41:14Disgusting
41:15Where's the cat
41:16That unhygienic
41:17She's walking around that kitchen
41:19In her front room all day long
41:20Is she not
41:20Just don't touch it
41:22And it's gone anywhere
41:23How often do you see your child
41:24Disgusting
41:25I saw her
41:26How often do you see her
41:28I am allowed unlimited access
41:30So why doesn't that happen people
41:31At my
41:32Our discussion
41:33Tony
41:33And we were
41:35Who's Tony
41:36Her boyfriend
41:37What's he gonna do with it
41:39Oh
41:39Every time I
41:40I've been within 13 years Jeremy
41:42I've got to speak to Tony
41:43I've got to speak to Tony
41:44Because we make
41:44Tony
41:45He ain't my dad
41:47Well I think that nailed Tony
41:50I remember you saying
41:50You loved him so much
41:51That's Tony done
41:52You wanted him to be your dad
41:53How many years ago was that
41:54Can you two bite
41:54Backstabbing
41:55Yet again all we're gonna do
41:56Is end up screwing Aurora
41:58Who in 20 years
41:59When I'm buried probably
42:00She will be
42:01Mark 3 of you two
42:02So why don't we just
42:04Stop bitching
42:04And try and find a solution
42:06You are saying
42:07Blake
42:08You are saying to me
42:09She's not able to see her kid
42:13Because you don't like
42:14The way she is
42:15I've never said that
42:16Then your turn
42:17He needs to keep his nose out
42:18And you two need to work out
42:19What's best for your
42:20Granddaughter
42:21Do you cancel when you're due to go there
42:30Last week when it was your
42:31Did you cancel
42:33And what happened then
42:34You should have got there
42:35Shouldn't you
42:35Give the call
42:37How can you get there
42:39I use it as an example
42:42If you're
42:43Right put it like this
42:44Because you've seen me do this
42:45With blokes who want to see kids
42:46And I say to the woman
42:47Give them a chance
42:48Do it in the contact centre
42:49And the woman goes
42:49Alright
42:50First time the bloke
42:51Doesn't turn up
42:52I don't know
42:53Car breaks down
42:54He's had an argument
42:55He's lost his job
42:55What does that say
42:57That says to the people
42:58That don't believe
42:59You've got it in you
43:00You know what
43:01I don't give a damn
43:02If you're given an opportunity
43:03And that's what I want to work on
43:05It doesn't matter
43:05What else you've got
43:06You've got to be there
43:07And convince these people
43:09That you're serious
43:09But likewise
43:10You can't offer
43:11And take away on a whim
43:13I've never taken it away
43:14What about saying sorry
43:15For the fact she was in care
43:16I've said that
43:17Loads of times
43:18Yes
43:19Yes I have Sarah
43:23You and I
43:24Were cuddling and crying
43:25On each other's shoulders
43:27I apologise
43:28For the
43:28Muck ups
43:29I made in my life
43:30When
43:31While we were going through
43:33All the business
43:34Hello
43:34Hello
43:35Excuse me
43:36I was about to just say
43:37That doesn't look like
43:39An unhappy
43:39And you know
43:40She's not an unhappy child
43:41All she wants
43:42Is for this to stop
43:43Yeah
43:44Thank you
43:44But she can't handle
43:45The fact that
43:46I want my daughter
43:47With me
43:48You're not allowed her
43:49With you right now
43:50Are you
43:51Not right now
43:51Because I've got a house
43:52She was meant to help me
43:54After call
43:55With finding myself
43:57Right have you said
43:57Sorry about the
43:58Par
43:58You've taken responsibility
44:00For the mistakes
44:01You've made
44:02Without blaming
44:02The rest of the world
44:03Yes I have
44:04Right so you both
44:05Love this kid right
44:06More than she will ever know
44:08Don't sit
44:08It's not
44:09It's not an argument
44:10You idolise my daughter
44:11Well she's bringing her up
44:12You weren't there when she was in Israel
44:13Was you
44:14Where?
44:15Yes I was
44:15I was up there for a week
44:16One week
44:17One week
44:18Six months
44:18I was working
44:19How long has she had your daughter
44:21What
44:22Last year
44:24Well what about
44:25Thank you for that
44:26As a starting point
44:27You never say thank you
44:33Why should I say thank you to you
44:36Because she prevented your daughter
44:38I don't like being like this
44:39Angle with you
44:40You would have lost her
44:41If it hadn't been
44:42Mum I'm riding
44:42And that was because of you
44:45Oh come on baby
44:46You said to me
44:46You father
44:47She went up for adoption
44:48You are never going to get
44:50You're never going to get this
44:52Unless you forgive each other
44:54Really
44:54Hello
44:55Both of you will lose this child
44:58Yeah
44:58This child will turn around
44:59And say I don't need this
45:00We don't have a relationship
45:01Then you need to damn
45:02We'll bang your head
45:03How can I do that when she's running
45:04It's easy
45:05She's just a
45:06Right
45:07Don't
45:07Josh
45:08You're not sending me
45:08Be quiet
45:09Shut up
45:09Shut up
45:09Shut up
45:10Josh
45:10Do you
45:12Look at me
45:13Imagine I'm some mad old idiot
45:15That just spouts rubbish
45:17Have you made mistakes
45:18I made a hell of a lot of mistakes
45:20Very simple answers
45:21Do you want to be involved
45:23In your daughter's life
45:23Yeah
45:24Do you acknowledge
45:25However much you say
45:26That you hate her
45:27Although I would find it hard
45:28To believe that you'd leave
45:29A child with somebody
45:30Who you actually think
45:30Is a danger
45:31But would you accept
45:31That actually
45:32I had no choice
45:33Yes
45:33Well your choices
45:33With your mother
45:34As it turns out
45:35Are a lot better
45:35Than an adoption system
45:36That you wouldn't see
45:37The kid again
45:38Do you accept
45:38That actually
45:39However difficult
45:40It is to say
45:40That your mother's
45:42Done a reasonably good job
45:43Yes and no
45:45Look at me
45:45Do you understand
45:47Because do you know
45:48What grow up a minute love
45:49You created a life
45:50That needs sorting
45:51Here so put your own BS
45:52To one side
45:53And let's do it
45:54For Aurora
45:54Listen to me
45:55Do you
45:57Do you understand
46:02That the bitterness
46:02The anger
46:03The resentment
46:04Yes
46:04Whatever you want to say
46:05Is because of that
46:06I know it's easy
46:06No that's the wrong way
46:07I know you can sit there
46:09And say the father
46:10This the father
46:11That but this child
46:12Don't get offended
46:12Felt
46:13Feels
46:14Remembers
46:15Abandonment
46:16Don't you
46:16That's what she thinks
46:17More
46:17And every time
46:19You throw her out
46:20Because you say
46:20You're not up to scratch
46:21You're not up to this
46:22You're not
46:23I haven't finished
46:24I'm speaking
46:25These are words of wisdom
46:27You're supposed to listen to
46:28Sorry
46:28They might not be wisdom
46:31But I'm doing my best
46:32Now we're getting there
46:34Do you want to grow up
46:35Do you want her to grow up hating you?
46:37Do you want her to grow up hating you?
46:39I don't want her to grow up
46:39Then you two need to get your
46:42In order
46:43I've tried this though
46:44No no
46:44You haven't come here
46:45I'm going to bang your heads together
46:47You are
46:47My last chance
46:48Do you know what you two are?
46:49You are absolutely
46:51Identically frustrating
46:52Annoying
46:53And just the same
46:54And if Aurora is going to go
46:56In a different direction
46:57Put it aside
46:58And work with us
46:59For her sake
47:00That's it
47:01That's all I'm asking you
47:03That's all I'm asking you
47:05And when you do it
47:06Not with me
47:07Right
47:08Not with me
47:09And when you do it
47:10Over a period of time
47:11Open your ears
47:12And close your gobs
47:13And stop point scoring
47:14And slagging each other off
47:15You both made mistakes
47:17Haven't you?
47:18Yes
47:18Do we want her to make the same mistake?
47:21She won't admit it
47:22She's made mistakes
47:23She's admitted it
47:23Has she?
47:24Well you haven't listened
47:25Because you haven't stopped talking
47:25You're worse than me
47:26Have you made mistakes?
47:27Yes
47:27Have you made mistakes?
47:29Yeah
47:29Right
47:29So you use that as a common ground
47:31To start this
47:32For the sake of that kid
47:33Let's put into place
47:34An agreement
47:35An arrangement
47:36That's right for that child
47:37Let's just
47:38Bring this BS down
47:40And see if one kid
47:42Who's a result of whatever
47:43On the Jeremy Kyle show
47:44Ends up still smiling
47:46In 14 years
47:47And not sat in one of these chairs
47:48With three kids
47:49And addicted to smack
47:51Because I think
47:51Because I think that would be good
47:52Don't you?
47:53To shake each other's hands
47:54Don't be it?
47:56Because you know what?
47:57If you love your daughter
47:58And you love your granddaughter
47:59You shake hands
47:59We'll put you in a room
48:00We'll get this right
48:01Do it
48:01For the sake of your kids
48:03That's why you came
48:04Now you look petulant
48:06Shake her hand
48:07You go that way
48:11You go that way
48:11That's it for today
48:18My friends
48:19We're out of time
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