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00:00:00Eu acho que algo ruim vai acontecer para mim.

00:00:12Eu acho que algo ruim tem acontecido.

00:00:15Não tem me encerrado, mas está no seu caminho.

00:00:30Eu não sei porque é importante, como é que ajuda a pessoas a lidar com o seu perdimento,

00:00:35como se tornando com histórias sobre as coisas, ou o que é isso.

00:00:50Alice kept secrets.

00:00:52Ela...

00:00:54Ela...

00:00:55Ela kept secrets a secret.

00:01:00É difícil para algumas pessoas entender, mas você tem que acreditar que você está a blame, ou não há nada a manter.

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00:03:16I heard him ask where was Alice.

00:03:22So I stood up and looked out across the dam and the water was completely still.

00:03:31So I called out.

00:03:35I looked out over the water to see if I could see her.

00:03:39And both the boys had kind of checked, you know, the bushland behind.

00:03:50I could see Alice's towel.

00:03:52She had left it on the ground and she clearly hadn't got out of the water

00:03:57because then, you know, she would have picked up her towel.

00:04:00So yeah, that was the last time that I saw her.

00:04:09Police continue to hold grave fears for 16 year old Alice Palmer,

00:04:15who disappeared while picnicking with her family.

00:04:18Police search and rescue died.

00:04:19Oh, we were told to go home.

00:04:22Oh, I'm sorry.

00:04:23I'm sorry.

00:04:24I'm sorry.

00:04:25I'm sorry.

00:04:26I'm sorry.

00:04:27I'm sorry.

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00:04:30I'm sorry.

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00:04:32I'm sorry.

00:04:33I'm sorry.

00:04:34I'm sorry.

00:04:35I'm sorry.

00:04:36I'm sorry.

00:04:37I'm sorry.

00:04:39Here's my phone.

00:04:40And, er, if the search and rescue divers found anything,

00:04:44then they'd let us know immediately.

00:04:54Ficou muito estranho em casa no caminho de casa, porque havia um quarto vazio vazio.

00:05:02Um minuto, ela estava lá, e então...

00:05:06...vou.

00:05:11Eu voltava para estar com os Palmas na noite.

00:05:14Nós estávamos apenas esperando, esperando para as notícias...

00:05:18... e para as notícias.

00:05:21...vou a expectativa.

00:05:24Nós pedimos a calla do Russell...

00:05:26... sobre 9h de noite.

00:05:29E ele disse que havia sido um accidente na Weir...

00:05:33... e que Alice tinha ido embora.

00:05:36Então, nós pensamos, vamos...

00:05:39...arra-rat.

00:05:41Eu lembro...

00:05:42...June era um pouco engraçado...

00:05:45... de ver a estranha...

00:05:48...feira entre elas.

00:05:50E...

00:05:51...felt...

00:05:52...a little strange...

00:05:53...having...

00:05:54...my mother there...

00:05:55...mum and I there...

00:05:56...for Alice.

00:05:58...mum...

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00:06:19...her phone went off...

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00:06:22...a couple of times...

00:06:23...but I...

00:06:24...I didn't...

00:06:25...I didn't answer it.

00:06:26I remember the bed was made.

00:06:33I remember thinking how neat everything looked.

00:06:50I got a call from Alice's mum, June.

00:06:54She'd said that Alice was missing and presumed like she drowned and I didn't not believe her but I don't know I just it was kind of hard to take so I actually called Alice's mobile.

00:07:12I just maybe wanted to see if I hope it was a joke or something I don't know.

00:07:19It was a real shock just didn't really feel like it was real um everything was the same as always but people were saying Alice had drowned.

00:07:34Are there any memories from that night that stand out for you?

00:07:41I remember we had the porch light on. Still two actually just in case.

00:07:46Just in case she comes home I guess.

00:07:58Just in case she comes home I guess.

00:08:00Just in case.

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00:09:04And on reflection I think that was a mistake because she didn't have any closure.

00:09:12I just couldn't bring myself to identify Alice's body.

00:09:18She'd been underwater all that time and it . . .

00:09:21I guess it's not how I . . .

00:09:25Eu não queria lembrar ela dessa forma.

00:09:29Eu pensei que foi minha responsabilidade

00:09:31como Ali's pai, você sabe.

00:09:36É o que o meu pai faz.

00:09:55A car stalled no caminho de volta da dam,

00:10:02mas a única coisa que eu consegui entrar era em reversa.

00:10:05Então, eu me levava em reversa,

00:10:10que foi que, por isso, tudo que aconteceu aconteceu,

00:10:15era uma melhor opção, realmente.

00:10:25A autopsia foi fechada no dia, no dia 27.

00:10:34O coronário lançou o corpo no dia, no dia 28.

00:10:43É muito estranho,

00:10:44estar com a família com a família lá,

00:10:48enquanto ela está em morgue.

00:10:55Eu não sei, foi só que eu não tinha visto ela por um mês ou outra coisa,

00:11:04como...

00:11:05É, não se sentia real.

00:11:13A morte tem tudo, eventualmente.

00:11:15É o menos, o menos, a máquina que existe e continua, e não importa.

00:11:20Não há mais nada a saber sobre isso, realmente.

00:11:28Foi um dia de sombre para a família e amigos de Alice Palmer,

00:11:32que se juntaram a pagar o seu respeito a uma mulher tão tão boa.

00:11:37Ela é uma boa pessoa, muito popular, muito, muito, muito, muito.

00:11:42Alice é lembrado como uma feliz, amada com a zesta de vida.

00:11:48Describete as always putting others...

00:11:50Palmas were really doing it tough at that time.

00:11:54I don't want to think of how bad it was back then.

00:11:58It's hard to imagine how much worse they would get.

00:12:14Ten days after Ellie's funeral,

00:12:16so that makes it the 15th of January,

00:12:19stuff started happening around the house.

00:12:21The noises in the roof

00:12:23and sounds coming from outside the window

00:12:29and other movements that seemed to come from Ellie's old room.

00:12:35So we re-hung the door to Ellie's room

00:12:39and we got a pest controller to come in and check for termites

00:12:43and it didn't help at all.

00:12:46The door kept slamming

00:12:47and we still kept getting the noises from her room.

00:12:53There was just something weird about that house.

00:12:56It had a fairly strange feeling about it.

00:12:59I mean, I can't explain to you what it was exactly,

00:13:02but you'd go in there and just have this bad feeling like in your gut.

00:13:07I started having these nightmares

00:13:19and they were so distressing

00:13:23that sometimes I just wouldn't want to open my eyes.

00:13:28because I'd woken up, but I didn't want to open my eyes.

00:13:34But there was one particular one.

00:13:35It was quite vivid and recurring.

00:13:39Alice would come down the hall,

00:13:41still dripping from the dam,

00:13:44and just stand at the foot of our bed,

00:13:47just staring at us.

00:13:49It was quite terrifying.

00:13:52As I said, I didn't want to open my eyes.

00:13:54By early February, my nightmares were getting so bad

00:14:02that I began to go for walks at night,

00:14:05sometimes for hours at a time,

00:14:08just so that I didn't have to go to bed at night

00:14:11and close my eyes and go to sleep.

00:14:17Sometimes I would actually go into people's houses.

00:14:21I didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong.

00:14:23I guess I really just wanted to be

00:14:28inside someone else's life for a while.

00:14:41Georgie, do you remember how Russell was doing at the time?

00:14:44Yeah, Russell was...

00:14:46He was working a lot at that point.

00:14:49I think that might have helped him with his grief.

00:14:51I think it's really without any explanation.

00:14:55Russell and I met, actually,

00:14:57on the Gippsland catchment project in 98

00:14:59and worked together on that.

00:15:02So you guys have known each other for a few years?

00:15:04Yeah, good few years, yeah.

00:15:08Do you remember how this affected after Alice's death?

00:15:10What changed?

00:15:12It was work as normal, and...

00:15:14That was troubling, actually.

00:15:17I didn't really know what to say to him about that.

00:15:20How you got it?

00:15:21You never spoke about it?

00:15:23Not really.

00:15:24Everyone grieves in their own way,

00:15:26and it wasn't really my place to be telling him how to feel.

00:15:31But I certainly was concerned.

00:15:36I was really grateful that I had my work.

00:15:40And, I mean, I felt really guilty about that at the time.

00:15:44But, you know, I just wanted to get on with it.

00:15:47Then, um, in one night in late February,

00:15:55I came home from work,

00:15:56and I was sitting in the, uh, sitting in the kitchen.

00:15:59And I heard a noise coming from Ali's room.

00:16:03So I went into Ali's room, and, uh...

00:16:07I don't really know why,

00:16:08but I sort of found myself sitting down

00:16:11in the chair in front of the dresser,

00:16:13and, um, before I could kind of work out

00:16:16what I was doing there, Ali walked in.

00:16:19And she went over to her desk

00:16:21and started sharpening a pencil,

00:16:23and then she looked like she was checking, uh,

00:16:27uh, for a text message on her phone.

00:16:30And, um, you know, I was completely freaked out.

00:16:33Uh...

00:16:35She was completely oblivious to my presence.

00:16:40And then I don't know what happened.

00:16:41I must have, um...

00:16:43moved to bed, or, you know,

00:16:45squeaked my shoes or something,

00:16:46but she went completely rigid.

00:16:50And I knew then that she knew I was there.

00:16:55And she slowly turned around,

00:16:57and she looked me right in the eye,

00:17:00fully for, you know, what felt like forever.

00:17:04And then she just came at me

00:17:06and stood up and said,

00:17:09get out, get out!

00:17:09And I just, you know, cut up and went out as fast as I could.

00:17:15I could hear Russell crying.

00:17:17And he was here in the kitchen.

00:17:19Matthew and I both found him in here.

00:17:21And he was sobbing.

00:17:23He was absolutely inconsolable.

00:17:25Do you believe Russell, when he says he saw a ghost?

00:17:29Yeah, I do.

00:17:30I believe he saw what he saw.

00:17:33And he wouldn't...

00:17:36He's not the kind of man to make something up.

00:17:38So I believe he saw something.

00:17:42Whether it's a real ghost or not,

00:17:44I don't really know.

00:17:46But I'm sure he saw something.

00:18:06I remember trying to talk to members of the church

00:18:11about how to help June and how to help the Palmers.

00:18:15But there just didn't seem like there was anything we could do.

00:18:20I think part of the reason was because they weren't churchgoers.

00:18:24I didn't know how to offer them comfort.

00:18:27I don't even know what June believes in.

00:18:34I found myself mostly concerned about Matthew.

00:18:39I guess because those two were always so close.

00:18:42I was worried how he would cope.

00:18:52I remember he was spending a lot more time alone.

00:18:57Oh, we were all worried about him.

00:19:04Matthew came in with some unusual bruises on his body.

00:19:08They were unusual in terms of their distribution and depth.

00:19:13We obviously took a history trying to exclude trauma,

00:19:17but there was certainly no history of trauma

00:19:19that he was able to give us.

00:19:22We tested him for vasculitis

00:19:23and we also excluded any poisoning

00:19:25or toxins in his system.

00:19:28We were unable to turn up anything conclusive

00:19:30and several weeks after this,

00:19:34the bruises just resolved spontaneously

00:19:36and we were never able to really establish a cause for them.

00:19:41My name is Steve Wilkie.

00:19:45I'm Matthew's best friend.

00:19:47I'd usually stay at Matthew's house two or three times a week.

00:19:54We started a band together,

00:19:57so we normally play music at my house.

00:20:02Matthew seemed a bit quieter,

00:20:04but he was always pretty quiet,

00:20:06so I guess there wasn't really any warning bells going off or anything.

00:20:11Although I had heard about June going into people's houses

00:20:14and Matthew never really seemed to want to talk about any of that.

00:20:17I never asked him about any of it.

00:20:25I know that he was always interested in photography

00:20:27and he was, at this time,

00:20:31he was starting to pursue it with more passion.

00:20:34Matthew came to me,

00:20:40he was very keen to find out anything about photography,

00:20:43so I was more than willing to help out.

00:20:46You know, that's what I do,

00:20:47so I was picking my brains about just about anything to do with it.

00:20:51From equipment down to techniques,

00:20:53down to lighting, down, you know.

00:20:55He was a great asset,

00:20:56so I mean, eventually I employed him.

00:21:04Matthew, can you talk to me about the photographs

00:21:27of the backyard that you've been taking?

00:21:32Yeah, basically I've taken that same photo,

00:21:36with that composition,

00:21:37for I think every three months for the past four years.

00:21:40And it's just a photograph of the backyard,

00:21:43looking out, and you can see the hills in the distance.

00:21:46It's just like a little project

00:21:47that I set up for myself when we got here.

00:21:50And what was in the April 28th photograph that was different?

00:21:57Well, it's basically the same shot,

00:22:01but it would appear that Alice is standing against the fence.

00:22:08Do you remember what the reaction in the house was at the time?

00:22:20I wouldn't say the mood was good,

00:22:22but it was better than before.

00:22:25It was like it gave us sort of something to focus on, I think.

00:22:31All of us.

00:22:32How you doing?

00:22:35How you doing?

00:22:36Well, the photographs were taken on the 3rd of April

00:22:39and they were developed on the 4th,

00:22:42and I looked at them, I think, on the 5th,

00:22:45and looked at the dams and the water levels,

00:22:49and I was quite happy,

00:22:50but it was only the following night

00:22:52that it was pointed out to me by my wife

00:22:53that there was something in the background in Norval Dam,

00:22:56this image came up.

00:22:57Well, when I first looked at the photograph,

00:23:14I didn't know what to make of it.

00:23:15The image was quite unsettling

00:23:18because it certainly looked like Alice.

00:23:21It was an incredibly discomforting image.

00:23:31And I became convinced that Alice was still alive.

00:23:34I didn't have any rational explanation

00:23:44for who was in those photos.

00:23:47But I did know something about Alice that June didn't.

00:23:52I'd seen Alice's body.

00:23:53I didn't think she was alive.

00:23:58I knew she wasn't.

00:24:01I became convinced that Russell had made a mistake.

00:24:05He himself said that it didn't look like anybody anymore.

00:24:12June was so convinced that I'd made a mistake

00:24:14that I actually started to have doubts myself.

00:24:15I started to think maybe I'd made my mind up

00:24:21that it was Alice's body before I'd looked

00:24:25and that the circumstances were so compelling for me

00:24:29that I decided that it was her.

00:24:35More than three months after the funeral

00:24:38of Ararat teenager Alice Palmer,

00:24:40her grieving parents formally requested

00:24:42her body be exhumed from the General Cemetery.

00:24:45There has been some contention from the Palmer family

00:24:48about the accuracy of the original body identification.

00:24:52June and Russell Palmer were adamant

00:24:53that DNA testing be carried out.

00:24:56They just couldn't be sure

00:24:57that the body they identified was indeed Alice.

00:25:00And today, almost...

00:25:01Alice's body was exhumed in the presence

00:25:03of the funeral director, Dr Slatter,

00:25:06and there was a representative

00:25:07from the coroner's office of suicide.

00:25:09And it was then transported to Ararat Base Hospital

00:25:12where they took their DNA samples.

00:25:14And she stayed there until the results came back.

00:25:21A few days later, we received a copy

00:25:24of the coroner's preliminary report.

00:25:28And Alice's identity was confirmed

00:25:31by the DNA sample match.

00:25:33It was only after they confirmed that it was Alice's body

00:25:40that I realised how much that I'd invested

00:25:43in the possibility of it not being her.

00:25:47You know, I can't tell you how much I wanted there

00:25:50to have been a terrible mistake,

00:25:53even if it had been mine.

00:25:54I really, really wanted there

00:25:58to have been somebody else's kid in that dam,

00:26:00a runaway, a murder victim,

00:26:03just anybody else's,

00:26:05just so long as it wasn't my kid,

00:26:06just so long as it wasn't Alice.

00:26:07Yes, it is.

00:26:28Alice was reburied two days later on the 7th of June.

00:26:55But the question remained,

00:27:00who or what was in those photos?

00:27:03Well, I continued to hear things,

00:27:27and, um...

00:27:29What did you hear?

00:27:29I was hearing noises, sort of,

00:27:32they didn't really relent.

00:27:33I kept hearing noises in the hallway.

00:27:35So I thought, well,

00:27:37I'll just set up a camera to see if,

00:27:39you know, I see anything,

00:27:41see something.

00:27:42The first night,

00:28:07I looked back and there was footage of a figure

00:28:13moving from the lounge room

00:28:18across the hallway to the front door.

00:28:20You're on Voice FM,

00:28:33two minutes past eight.

00:28:35I'm Helen Bath,

00:28:36and we're taking calls with

00:28:37cyber consultant Ray Comini.

00:28:40Next, we have Nadja on the line.

00:28:41Ray?

00:28:42Hi, Nadja.

00:28:43How are you?

00:28:43What can I do for you?

00:28:44It was around about that time

00:28:50I decided to seek out the advice

00:28:52of Ray Comini.

00:28:54I had heard Ray on the radio

00:28:56over the years,

00:28:58and opinion was quite divided.

00:29:00Some thought he was the real deal,

00:29:02others were unconvinced.

00:29:04Next, we have Annie on the line.

00:29:06Hi, Annie.

00:29:07How are you?

00:29:08Hi, thanks, Ray.

00:29:09Thank you for taking my call.

00:29:11My pleasure.

00:29:12What can I do for you?

00:29:13Um, I just want to do a general rating.

00:29:18General?

00:29:19Not just medical.

00:29:20I'm a Hungarian by birth.

00:29:22My parents came out here

00:29:23when I was quite young.

00:29:26I've got a 15-year-old daughter

00:29:27who lives with her mother

00:29:28in South Australia.

00:29:30My Christian name is actually Chult,

00:29:32but I changed it to Ray.

00:29:34I think it's a more trustworthy name

00:29:36for a psychic.

00:29:36Australia's wog psychic of choice.

00:29:45Most of what I do

00:29:46is when I'm dealing with

00:29:47the sick or the dying,

00:29:50which I guess

00:29:50probably fits about a third

00:29:52of my clients,

00:29:52is to allow them the possibility

00:29:55that death is not the bitter end,

00:29:57that it's not the full stop,

00:30:01which is a consolation

00:30:02that I'm quite happy to give them,

00:30:03considering the fact that

00:30:05what happens after death

00:30:07is up for grabs anyway.

00:30:09There's somebody, um,

00:30:11very close to you,

00:30:12someone you haven't seen

00:30:13for a while,

00:30:15someone who is going

00:30:16to come back into your life,

00:30:18someone who will be

00:30:19of great comfort to you.

00:30:21Really?

00:30:23Anyone that fits that bill?

00:30:25Um, yeah, I can.

00:30:26I can think of someone.

00:30:27Look, I won't lie to you, Annie.

00:30:29I can see obstacles ahead of you,

00:30:30but I think that this person

00:30:32who's coming back to you

00:30:33is going to make

00:30:34a great difference

00:30:35and will be of great solace to you.

00:30:39Thanks, Ray.

00:30:42See you, Annie.

00:30:42Where I come from,

00:31:00when someone dies,

00:31:01they block out all the mirrors

00:31:03in the house

00:31:03to stop the dead

00:31:05from finding their way back.

00:31:08There's things like that

00:31:08that make a difference.

00:31:09It's just the start

00:31:37of something else.

00:31:37I liked Ray immediately.

00:31:51I...

00:31:52He wasn't what I expected.

00:31:53I don't know what I really did expect,

00:31:55but, uh,

00:31:56there was nothing kind of spooky

00:31:58or fake about him.

00:31:59I usually videotape my sessions

00:32:20so that they can be reviewed later

00:32:22by the clients,

00:32:23especially when there's elements

00:32:24of trance or hypnotism involved.

00:32:28I keep one copy for myself,

00:32:29one copy for them.

00:32:30It's all right, Jay.

00:32:31Better to be safe than sorry.

00:32:33Okay, so you're standing

00:32:34outside your house.

00:32:37Tell me what you see.

00:32:41Mm-hmm.

00:32:44My house.

00:32:45It's a white house.

00:32:47I'm walking towards the front door.

00:32:51Okay.

00:32:52Now I want you to go

00:32:52inside the house.

00:32:55I want you to move slowly

00:32:56through the house.

00:32:57I want you to describe

00:32:58what you see,

00:33:01where you are.

00:33:03Just give me a guided tour.

00:33:04Okay, I'm walking down

00:33:19the hallway

00:33:19towards Alice's room.

00:33:27What's there?

00:33:29I can see Alice's shoes

00:33:31outside her room.

00:33:34And what does that mean

00:33:37for you, Jen?

00:33:42She always used to leave

00:33:44her sneakers outside her room.

00:33:48So I want you to go

00:33:49inside her room now,

00:33:52open the door,

00:33:53and just move inside.

00:33:55You feel safe enough

00:33:58to go into Alice's room.

00:34:01Okay.

00:34:02open the door.

00:34:08I'm going inside her room.

00:34:10You can see something, can't you?

00:34:26Tell me what you see, Jen.

00:34:29I'm going inside her room.

00:34:35Alice is sitting

00:34:37in the wicker chair

00:34:39at the end of her bed.

00:34:49She looks sad.

00:34:50I first met Ray when June

00:34:58brought him home for dinner

00:34:59the night of her first consultation.

00:35:03And, you know,

00:35:04I'm completely indifferent to psychics.

00:35:05I don't really have a position

00:35:06on them at all.

00:35:08I don't really want them

00:35:10to come round for dinner,

00:35:11mind you,

00:35:11but, you know,

00:35:12I didn't want to upset June either.

00:35:13He was a pleasant sort of a bloke.

00:35:17He wasn't icky spooky at all.

00:35:19And I was on my best behaviour.

00:35:22A few days later,

00:35:23maybe a week later,

00:35:25I suggested to the family

00:35:26that we hold a seance.

00:35:29June was really keen,

00:35:30but I remember Russell

00:35:31just flat out refused.

00:35:33I think Matthew finally

00:35:35talked his dad around.

00:35:37Matthew,

00:35:37how did you feel about

00:35:38having a seance

00:35:39held in your house?

00:35:42At the time,

00:35:43I was actually kind of interested,

00:35:46sort of curious.

00:35:48I don't think Dad was thrilled

00:35:50about the idea,

00:35:52but, yeah,

00:35:55I thought it would be interesting.

00:35:58And I suggested we film it.

00:36:00And I recorded it

00:36:02just with our video camera,

00:36:03which is the PC9.

00:36:08I'm getting a strong presence

00:36:10in the room.

00:36:12In the house.

00:36:17I think we all thought

00:36:18that the seance was a failure.

00:36:20Ray didn't really come up

00:36:23with anything,

00:36:24kind of with any signs or anything.

00:36:26So, after about an hour or so,

00:36:28we called it quits.

00:36:30And it wasn't until

00:36:31until the next day

00:36:32that Matthew was reviewing

00:36:35the footage

00:36:37that there was an image of Alice.

00:36:40Make your presence known to us.

00:36:42The new footage was completely different

00:36:51to the hallway footage.

00:37:07For one,

00:37:09it was significantly more detailed,

00:37:11so it was less ambiguous.

00:37:13And it was impossible

00:37:16to dismiss it

00:37:17as a coincidence

00:37:19of shadow play

00:37:21and digital noise.

00:37:24There was something

00:37:25inexplicable

00:37:27in our house

00:37:28that was beyond doubt.

00:37:30I was concerned.

00:37:35This was pretty unfamiliar territory for me.

00:37:39I've never seen a ghost before.

00:37:42Ray got Matthew

00:37:47to help him set up

00:38:04three permanent cameras

00:38:05inside the house

00:38:06recording in time-lapse configurations

00:38:0924 hours a day.

00:38:12There'd been a lot of speculation

00:38:14about Ray

00:38:14and what he was doing there.

00:38:19When people don't know,

00:38:21of course,

00:38:22it leads to a lot of talk

00:38:23and a lot of speculation.

00:38:25I had heard rumours

00:38:26throughout July

00:38:27of video images

00:38:28purporting to be

00:38:29of an apparition

00:38:30in the house.

00:38:32But I must say

00:38:33I was sceptical

00:38:35as to their legitimacy.

00:38:37And your view on Ray?

00:38:39Also very sceptical.

00:38:42I think they had met

00:38:42some kind of Rasputin figure

00:38:44mesmerising the Palmers,

00:38:46stealing their money,

00:38:47doctoring the photos of Alice.

00:38:49Happy birthday to you.

00:38:52Matthew in particular

00:38:53seemed to be

00:38:54really struggling.

00:38:56Happy birthday to you, Matthew.

00:38:59Happy birthday.

00:39:02I thought I might be able

00:39:03to help just by being there.

00:39:07Oh, 31.

00:39:08Beautiful.

00:39:09That said,

00:39:10my chief motivation

00:39:11was professional.

00:39:12Something was happening

00:39:13inside that house

00:39:14and I wanted to find out

00:39:15what it was.

00:39:29kepada you.

00:39:46Oh.

00:39:51Oh.

00:39:52O que foi a reação das imagens?

00:40:14O que foi?

00:40:16Nós não somos completamente cobsmacked por eles.

00:40:20Mas antes de ter tempo para o que eles pensaram, o vídeo foi lançado.

00:40:25A new one.

00:40:26É uma boa?

00:40:28É, é ótimo.

00:40:29Can I have a look?

00:40:30Vamos lá.

00:40:31Be careful.

00:40:32Cathy e Doug Withers were at the dam on April 3,

00:40:36o mesmo dia que o bobsmeat foi feito.

00:40:39Be careful.

00:40:40O que eu acho que vou fazer?

00:40:42Be careful.

00:40:44Be careful.

00:40:45Be careful my hands, Dave.

00:40:48No!

00:40:49It was a couple of months later, the end of July,

00:40:54when we were looking at our footage that we shot down at the dam,

00:41:01and came across...

00:41:03Yeah, a figure in the background,

00:41:05which we identified as Bob Smeet,

00:41:09which interested us,

00:41:12because there's...

00:41:13Yeah, clearly we didn't...

00:41:14We sort of went,

00:41:15oh, it was the same day he was there,

00:41:17when he captured the image that people had been talking about.

00:41:20So then we...

00:41:21Then we went through all our footage

00:41:23to see if we perhaps might have captured that figure as well.

00:41:26Maybe the camera had seen what Bob saw.

00:41:29Yeah.

00:41:30Yeah.

00:41:31Yeah.

00:41:32So we did find a figure in the background,

00:41:34like the image that had been described in his picture,

00:41:38and then we looked more closely,

00:41:40and, yeah, Doug zoomed in on it.

00:41:43Yeah, well, I got right in on the computer,

00:41:46and from what, you know, could have looked like a female figure

00:41:50from a long way away,

00:41:52um, up close and tight,

00:41:55you could see that it definitely was neither female nor Alice.

00:41:59And it was Matthew.

00:42:01Mm.

00:42:04Do you guys believe in guys?

00:42:05No.

00:42:06No.

00:42:07No.

00:42:08No.

00:42:09What was the question about Bob Smeet?

00:42:11Well, this is where I was when the Bob Smeet photo was taken.

00:42:14And I was wearing Alice's jacket.

00:42:17And I...

00:42:18I looked up, and I saw a man on the hill

00:42:20who turned out to be Bob Smeet.

00:42:22And, um...

00:42:23He didn't want to be...

00:42:24you know,

00:42:25the photo,

00:42:26uh...

00:42:27So I walked off through the, uh, the bush.

00:42:30What I didn't see was there was also a couple over there,

00:42:34uh, filming,

00:42:35who turned out to be The Withers.

00:42:38Quando o Withers thing came out, Dad came to me and asked me if I'd been involved in

00:42:47anything else and I didn't want to lie to him, so I told him.

00:43:00I explained to Dad that I was responsible for the image of Alice in the hallway and

00:43:05bedroom and that I created the April 28th backyard photo and the seance image.

00:43:11I just told him what I'd done.

00:43:14Okay, so I've got two photos, a photo of Alice out of the backyard and composited the images.

00:43:23That's a photo that I took of Alice.

00:43:25Mum kept talking about, she was always talking about getting Alice exhumed and she was really,

00:43:31she was really keen on this idea that Dad had misidentified her body.

00:43:34And so I knew that, without more evidence, it wasn't going to happen, so I made the photograph.

00:43:45I just used an old video of Alice.

00:43:49And I played that on the TV, I had the TV up on the bookcase and it was as simple as rotating

00:43:56the mirror so that the reflection of the TV came up in it and obviously the mirror is quite

00:44:03small so it cropped out the edges of the television and then, yeah, I just filmed that.

00:44:08Same with the kitchen and the bedroom, what you see basically is Alice on the television in the mirror.

00:44:14Like it wasn't about trying to trick people, I guess it was like something was better than nothing.

00:44:31Um, do you think that what you did ultimately made it worse for June?

00:44:39Um, I think that, yeah, yeah, I probably, I probably did make it harder for her, but that wasn't, that wasn't my intention.

00:44:53I'm not quite so sure about his reasons. I don't know that I totally, um, I don't want to say I, I, I don't totally believe what he said, but, um, I'm just not convinced that he really knows why he did it.

00:45:21When it all came out, people wanted to do stories and books and women's magazines, a whole lot, just went pear-shaped.

00:45:37Oh look, we just didn't know how to handle it. I mean, you know, we had to protect Maddie, we had to protect ourselves, we had to protect Ali's memory and we just didn't have any experience of, you know, dealing with it.

00:45:51with all this interest in something that was incredibly personal, that people wanted to make incredibly public.

00:45:58I mean, the Palmers weren't coping well at all at that point.

00:46:01The things were very bad, they were, they were doing it tough.

00:46:07This was like the end of hope, for all of us, but especially for June.

00:46:12She just really wasn't ready to let Ali go.

00:46:21She just needed to hang on to her a little bit longer.

00:46:26And I don't think she would admit it, but

00:46:28she was

00:46:30devastated.

00:46:30She's interesting girl. She seemed to not get on with June so well. I thought they actually were quite alike. It was interesting that the two of them might not get on so well.

00:46:48They, they, they always seemed very much alike and you could see that Alice took, took a lot after June, but also other things have had become clear as well after Alice's death, that perhaps a bit of a sense of the private arms that they both shared.

00:47:10June was, well, still is a, um, she keeps to herself a lot. And it became clear that that was happening with Alice, too.

00:47:30Yeah, the sense of privacy, the sense of that there is their own private life that they will either choose to share or to not share, I guess.

00:47:40It's wonderful when your children come and that, that, that new expression that, that, that you have, but, um, as a, as a mother, you still always got doubts that, um, you're not doing enough or you're not doing the right thing.

00:48:00Partly blame myself. That's come from me. Maybe it came from my mother.

00:48:07I've never been able to, um, I've never been able to, um, I've never been able to give myself wholly to, um, to June.

00:48:20I feel June is a little like that, too. That she couldn't give herself wholly to Alice.

00:48:33I hope that Alice did know how much I loved her. I guess I held something back a little as she grew older.

00:48:46That would be the saddest thing. I would think she might not know.

00:48:51Ray suggested that Matthew accompany him on one of his, um, country Victorian tours, um, where he was doing consultations.

00:49:10And, um, Matthew jumped at the chance.

00:49:13Have you hungry?

00:49:14It's breakfast. It's your shower, I think.

00:49:17Uh, no, I think it's your shower.

00:49:19I think I realised, uh, when I was away how much I missed Alice.

00:49:40And that I was never going to be able to speak to her again.

00:49:47I guess that's something that all of Ray's clients are coming to terms with.

00:49:51Um, you know, they want to talk to someone or make contact with someone they'd lost.

00:49:56And so did I.

00:49:59So I was sort of one of Ray's clients in a way as well.

00:50:10No.

00:50:11Can I shock it at you?

00:50:12No.

00:50:13Let's see what happens.

00:50:14Well, what do you think is going to happen?

00:50:15It's going to hit me and then I'm going to get angry.

00:50:17That's what's going to happen.

00:50:18No!

00:50:19Watch yourself.

00:50:21Please leave my room.

00:50:24I don't know.

00:50:27I don't know where it is, go.

00:50:37Get out!

00:50:42Get out!

00:50:50When me and Ray went on the tour, we left the two rented cameras where they were in the hallway.

00:50:56Eu estava seguro que ainda havia algo em casa.

00:51:02E, obviamente, porque foram embora por três dias,

00:51:04nós não conseguimos mudar os títulos ou nada.

00:51:08Então, nós tínhamos provavelmente um dia e meio de vídeo,

00:51:12mas nós deixamos eles corrigir,

00:51:14e voltamos no 22 de agosto,

00:51:19a partir do ponto, nós testamos os títulos.

00:51:26A partir do ponto, nós iremos um vídeo.

00:51:31A partir do ponto, nós vamos nos filmar.

00:51:35A partir do ponto, nós vamos nos filmar.

00:51:38A partir do ponto, nós vamos nos filmar.

00:51:43A partir do ponto, nós vamos nos filmar.

00:51:46O que é que o Russell e eu nos filmámos no nosso chão...

00:51:49quando essas imagens foram gravadas.

00:51:51Mathew não teria nada com isso.

00:51:53O que o que tem a fazer com isso?

00:51:55Não tem nada a ver com isso.

00:51:57Eles parecem que há um ghost no seu casa.

00:52:01Alice's ghost.

00:52:11Você acredita em ghosts?

00:52:15Não, mas...

00:52:19É uma coisa difícil de provar ou desprouver.

00:52:24Um...

00:52:27Eu acho...

00:52:30Sim, eu acho que talvez eles existam.

00:52:34Porque ela está em todos os lugares.

00:52:37É um mundo escuro.

00:52:40Eu não sei porque é importante...

00:52:42como as pessoas lidam com a sua morte,

00:52:45como fazer uma história sobre ghost ou algo.

00:52:53O que foi perguntado sobre tudo.

00:52:55Eu fui atrás e revisou todas as fotos que foram feitas.

00:52:58Footage that it come before. All the material taken inside the house following Alice's death.

00:53:09It was while I was looking at Matthew's June 13 hallway material again that I noticed something

00:53:16in the image. There was a second figure, not Matthew in the hallway, but someone else

00:53:22I was squatting in the dark in Alice's room.

00:53:26At first I thought it was Alice.

00:53:30Then I realised it was our neighbour, Brett Tui.

00:53:43What was this man doing in my house, in my daughter's room, more than six months after her death?

00:53:52When I found Alice's safe, I realised exactly why he'd been there.

00:54:05He was looking for the tape.

00:54:10That's it.

00:54:22It was such a, it was such a, it wasn't a very nice day.

00:54:25Yeah.

00:54:26Oh, you did smoke.

00:54:27Yeah.

00:54:28To get nice and cosy with everything.

00:54:30Alice began babysitting for the Tui's in 2002 and she continued for the next two and a half years.

00:54:43The Tui's two boys were five and nine years old.

00:54:44I literally just couldn't believe my eyes.

00:54:50It just made me feel so sad.

00:54:51It just made me feel so sad.

00:54:52As far as I'm concerned, the Tui's were coming in.

00:54:53It just made me feel so sad.

00:54:54It just made me feel so sad.

00:54:59As far as I'm concerned, the Tui's were complicit in Alice's death.

00:55:00I believe that if it hadn't been for them, she would have reached out to us.

00:55:01She, she wouldn't have felt guilty.

00:55:02I'm not.

00:55:03I'm not.

00:55:04I'm not.

00:55:05I'm not.

00:55:06I'm not.

00:55:07I'm not.

00:55:08I'm not.

00:55:09I'm not.

00:55:10I'm not.

00:55:11I'm not.

00:55:12I'm not.

00:55:13I'm not, but we're pretty confident.

00:55:14And now I'm not.

00:55:15It's not.

00:55:16It just made me feel so sad.

00:55:18As far as I'm concerned, the Tui's were complicit in Alice's death.

00:55:22I believe if it hadn't been for them, she would have reached out to us.

00:55:28She wouldn't have felt guilty.

00:55:29She wouldn't have felt the burden of that secret.

00:55:32She wouldn't have been isolated.

00:55:36How do you feel towards Brett now?

00:55:40Seu cara é um cara, eu provavelmente me assustou.

00:55:44Ele era um cara, ele era um cara.

00:55:48Ele era um cara, ele era um cara.

00:55:52Ele era um cara, ele era um cara.

00:55:56Ele tinha um cara de pool em sua casa.

00:56:00Ele usava em um cara.

00:56:02Ele usava em um cara de ver.

00:56:04Ele usava em um cara de ver.

00:56:06Ele era bem-vindo sobre o que aconteceu.

00:56:09O que aconteceu foi muito, porque eu não sabia que Alice ia ser com alguém.

00:56:18Foi uma complete surpresa, não pensei que ela ia fazer algo assim.

00:56:28Por que você acha que Alice tinha o tape?

00:56:31Porque ela não queria que ela tenha o tape.

00:56:35Por que ela não queria que ela tenha o tape?

00:56:37Ela não queria que ela tenha o tape.

00:56:39Eles devem ter sido muito desprezados para receber o tape.

00:56:44Da vez que ela tinha ouvido de Alice,

00:56:48eles deveriam estar vivendo com esse medo de ser encontrado.

00:56:55Eu estou feliz que ele não conseguiu encontrar.

00:56:57Eu estou feliz que ele não conseguiu.

00:56:59Eu estou feliz que ele não conseguiu.

00:57:03Eu tive muitas personalidades com o Palmas durante esse momento

00:57:36que foi a claim, you know,

00:57:39supported by the video editor.

00:57:40Evidência.

00:57:41Jason, você conhece que Alice estava envolvendo com a threat?

00:57:44Um, não.

00:57:46Eu não conseguiu.

00:57:46Eu não conseguia.

00:57:48Eu não conseguia...

00:57:50Não, não, não, eu não...

00:57:52Eu não queria ir embora se eu fosse...

00:57:54Não, eu não...

00:57:56Eu...

00:57:57Eu acho que nós...

00:57:59Eu acho que nós fomos muito bom.

00:58:11Ela deixou muitas perguntas sobre...

00:58:15Por que ela estava envolvendo?

00:58:18Quando o relacionamento começou?

00:58:20Foi ela em amor com Arthur?

00:58:25Eu não sei.

00:58:30A Tui sold their house and moved six months after Alice died.

00:58:44Alice kept secrets.

00:58:46Alice.

00:58:47Alice.

00:58:48It was.

00:58:49She kept...

00:58:50She kept secrets a secret.

00:58:53Which does change the way that you see somebody, I suppose, when you realize that, that they did hide things from you a bit.

00:58:59Eu acho que eu conheço uma Alice, e talvez a mãe conhece outra, e outra outra que não nos conhecemos, talvez.

00:59:09I found Ray's business card, tape 2, Alice's diary, on the page marked 12th of July, 2005.

00:59:36Why have you come to see me, Alice?

00:59:37Can you interpret dreams?

00:59:40Hmm, sometimes.

00:59:43How do you feel when you wake up from these dreams?

00:59:47Um, they scare me a bit.

00:59:52Alice came to see me about five months before she died.

00:59:56I think she'd heard me on the radio a few times and rang and made an appointment.

01:00:01Take a deep breath, close your eyes.

01:00:02Alice, I want you to imagine you're standing outside your house when you can see that, you tell me.

01:00:16Okay?

01:00:17Yeah.

01:00:18I want you to go inside the front door, go into the house, tell me what you see, where you are.

01:00:28Ray, why did you tell Jean that you'd actually met Alice before?

01:00:31Um, I'm in the, in the entrance room.

01:00:33Look, I don't think it was a case of hiding something from them, it was more that I was honouring Alice's request for confidentiality.

01:00:41But it was damned if you do, damned if you don't, you know.

01:00:44The living room's just, it's directly ahead.

01:00:48Then you go to your right.

01:00:49And my room's in the back part of the house, as you go towards the kitchen.

01:00:56Do you see a thing unusual, a thing different?

01:01:02No.

01:01:04No, we didn't feel like we could trust Ray anymore.

01:01:07Um, for whatever reasons he had, keeping that information to himself, it still felt like a betrayal.

01:01:14I wanted to help June and the family, and I think they wanted me to help them.

01:01:25I wouldn't have been able to do it if I'd known.

01:01:29There was a fair bit of resentment.

01:01:31Matthew wouldn't even speak to me.

01:01:33But what I think really hurt them more than anything was what they saw as my failure to see Alice's imminent passing.

01:01:41Looking back, like, it's kind of strange that someone would, you know, be as close to us as he was.

01:01:50Um, I think maybe he needed us as much as we needed him.

01:01:55Alice came to see me because she was upset.

01:02:12She was a very troubled person.

01:02:15I had a dream last night.

01:02:19I was cold and wet.

01:02:21I felt heavy, like I'd been drunk.

01:02:24And when I woke up, these sensations didn't go.

01:02:28I was feeling sick and confused, and I was starting to get scared.

01:02:34I needed to see mum to talk to her.

01:02:39I stumbled to her room, and as I stood there at the bed watching them, I was overcome by this intense sadness.

01:02:48Then the sadness turned to fear.

01:02:51I just stood there paralysed with fear, and I realised there was nothing that they could do for me anymore.

01:02:57Well, I've never felt so utterly alone.

01:03:01Everything felt wrong.

01:03:03My body, the way things looked.

01:03:08Then I realised that there was something wrong with me.

01:03:14I started to cry standing there at the foot of the bed.

01:03:17I started to cry standing there at the foot of the bed.

01:03:47Lake Mungo is in southwestern New South Wales, and that was the location of the school camp

01:03:55that Alice went on from August the 2nd to the 5th in 2005.

01:04:04When she came home, she said she'd had a good time.

01:04:07I do particularly remember it because she came home without her mobile phone,

01:04:12which we'd bought her a month previously, and her favourite bracelet and watch.

01:04:20Yes, other than that, you know, she didn't really talk about it too much.

01:04:25Well, Kim didn't show me until about a year after she got back from camp,

01:04:38the stuff that she'd taken on her mobile phone.

01:04:41So why'd you decide to tell June?

01:04:42Um, well, if we didn't tell June, then it would be like we were hiding something.

01:04:49So, I don't know why, um, I don't know why, but why not?

01:04:58Come for me!

01:04:59Oh, no.

01:05:00Do it be a smile.

01:05:01You'll be a kissy next.

01:05:03I'll see you then.

01:05:04Jason told us about the phone footage that the girls had taken at Lake Mungo.

01:05:17The other girls were looking so happy, and she looked quite forlorn.

01:05:24I was worried.

01:05:25I became convinced that something had happened to her.

01:05:28Kate's phone footage was taken later that night

01:05:40because the girls had spread out over the lunettes.

01:05:43Anywhere.

01:05:45Like where?

01:05:45Where do you get a photo?

01:05:46Like Africa, like the desert.

01:05:51There was an image of Alice, very hard to decipher,

01:05:55in the bottom of the frame, kneeling under a tree.

01:05:58It was only after viewing the clip several times

01:06:02that we realised what she was doing.

01:06:05She was burying something.

01:06:11I mean, did you know what had happened that night with Alice?

01:06:15No.

01:06:16Um, I knew she'd lost her phone.

01:06:21I knew she was upset.

01:06:23Because that was pretty obvious.

01:06:25But I didn't know why she was upset.

01:06:28She didn't say that she'd seen anything.

01:06:31She didn't really say anything to me.

01:06:33I didn't really, perhaps, take it that seriously at the time.

01:06:38You know, it was like context, you know.

01:06:40We were just having a good time,

01:06:42and I just thought she had gotten a bit upset.

01:06:43It started, simply enough, um, Alice left the group

01:07:01and started walking off by herself.

01:07:04But it was obviously something was distressing her.

01:07:11And we wanted to try and find out what it was.

01:07:14We understood from the phone video

01:07:33that she'd buried something.

01:07:35We had an idea where that tree was

01:07:37because of what we could see from the, from the video.

01:07:43We didn't really want to go down during the daytime

01:07:45because, you know, we didn't want to be digging,

01:07:48you know, where tourists were.

01:07:54So we decided to go at night.

01:07:55Jun and I started digging,

01:08:15and, um, after a bit,

01:08:19uh, Jun said she'd found something

01:08:21and she'd pulled out a plastic bag.

01:08:22And inside the plastic bag there was, uh,

01:08:27Ali's favourite necklace.

01:08:29The ring, the watch, the mobile phone.

01:08:33Her most precious things

01:08:36buried out here, uh, on a school camp.

01:08:39And we didn't know why she did that.

01:08:42I mean, we knew from the video

01:08:44that she'd buried something,

01:08:45but, uh, we didn't know what it was.

01:08:50Yeah, there's Noel battery.

01:08:52There's no such thing.

01:09:11You scared of dying?

01:09:14Yeah, of course I'm scared of dying.

01:09:17Isn't everyone scared of dying?

01:09:22Você gostaria de me dizer um pouco sobre o que acontece em seus dreams?

01:09:31Eu acho que algo ruim vai acontecer para mim.

01:09:36Eu acho que algo ruim tem acontecido.

01:09:39Não tem me reachado ainda, mas está em seu caminho.

01:09:46E é um pouco mais perto.

01:09:49E eu não me sinto muito.

01:09:50Já me sinto muito.

01:09:52Eu acho que não posso fazer nada.

01:10:08À um ponto,

01:10:10esse figura veio para ela de escuro.

01:10:15Eu reconheço a face,

01:10:16as soon as I saw it on the phone video

01:10:18it was the same face

01:10:20of the body that I had

01:10:22identified at the dam

01:10:24It was Ellie's body

01:10:26and Ellie's face

01:10:36There is

01:10:38absolutely no rational explanation

01:10:40for

01:10:42what she

01:10:44saw on that phone

01:10:46and

01:10:48she

01:10:50saw

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01:12:32and what about

01:12:34and what about the image of the bank munger?

01:12:36how do you think Alice would have explained that?

01:12:38How could she have explained it?

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01:13:34Eu acho que Alice queria que nós nos conhecemos mais sobre ela, ela queria que nós nos conhecemos

01:13:52quem ela realmente era, antes que ela... antes que ela... antes que ela se deixe.

01:14:04Em seguida e meses depois da Lake Mungo, nós começamos a se sentirmos como uma família novamente.

01:14:14Nós já nos lembramos, realmente.

01:14:17Nós fomos um pouco descoberto e descoberto, mas nós somos uma família.

01:14:31Tudo bem?

01:14:32Sim, você também.

01:14:34Ok, come in.

01:14:35Ray called out of the blue and said he was going to be coming through town

01:14:39and asked if it was alright if he could come round and visit.

01:14:43Six months had gone by and I just felt that under the circumstances,

01:14:50I don't think it could do any harm.

01:14:53I think we all felt that after Mungo, in our own ways there'd been closure, I suppose, to a degree.

01:15:04And, you know, for each of it, it's different.

01:15:07For each of it, we've made our own peace.

01:15:17It seems strange to me that Ali should, you know, withdraw so abruptly.

01:15:21I mean, we didn't help her.

01:15:24We didn't change anything.

01:15:27I think we just, er, collectively made a decision to move forward.

01:15:33I don't know.

01:15:34I don't know.

01:15:35I don't know.

01:15:36You know, moving is really a big part of all that.

01:15:39Exciting to move.

01:15:40Exciting to move.

01:16:00It will be difficult to leave the house.

01:16:02Sometimes, you know, I just forget that she's, she's not coming back.

01:16:14I forget.

01:16:32I don't know.

01:16:46Okay.

01:16:48Close your eyes.

01:16:51And imagine that you're back standing outside the house.

01:16:56Can you see it?

01:17:02I just go inside the house.

01:17:06I'm going through the front door.

01:17:11And...

01:17:15Walking down the hall towards Alice's room.

01:17:24Someone's there.

01:17:27I think someone's coming down the hall.

01:17:29Door's open.

01:17:33Do you know who it is?

01:17:34Shh.

01:17:47Do you want to go inside?

01:17:50Yeah.

01:17:54Okay.

01:18:02What do you see?

01:18:06My mum.

01:18:12What's she saying?

01:18:14She's not...

01:18:16She's not saying anything.

01:18:23I don't think she knows I'm there.

01:18:25Alice isn't here.

01:18:29Alice isn't here.

01:18:32She's not here.

01:18:36What's happening, Alice?

01:18:39Are you talking to her?

01:18:40Is she talking to you?

01:18:41Oh, she's...

01:18:42She's going now.

01:18:45She's leaving the room.

01:18:50She's gone.

01:18:52Open your eyes.

01:18:53Open your eyes.

01:19:21No, I'm going to see you.

01:19:23I'm not going to see you.

01:19:24She's leaving the room.

01:19:25She's going now.

01:19:27I'm not going to see you.

01:19:28I'm going to make you...

01:19:29You're just a new tree.

01:19:31I'm not going to...

01:19:32I'm not going to give you a clue.

01:19:34But you've got this right now...

01:19:36I'm not going to show up.

01:19:38I'm not going to see you...

01:19:40What is this right now including?

01:19:41Ela está indo agora.

01:19:53Ela está deixando a casa.

01:20:03Boa noite.

01:20:11She's gone.

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