WATCH: Charlie Mullins and Dr Bing Jones clash over climate change in bitter GB News row

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Pimlico Plumbers founder Charlie Mullins has brutally shut down Doctor Bing Jones after he backed a proposed "heat strike" by NHS doctors, suggesting it means "doctors are prepared to let people die over 1C".Members of British Medical Association union have drafted a proposal calling on the NHS to introduce a "national maximum workplace temperature", that would allow all non-essential staff to walk out if it was breached.FULL STORY HERE.

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00:00Is it ever really too hot to work?

00:02Sorry, it's a bad hearing.

00:04Is it ever really too hot to work?

00:06No, not at all. I mean, if I'm being honest,

00:08I think it's a disgusting proposal that's being suggested.

00:14I don't think it's going to happen.

00:15Anybody with common sense would not strike over a temperature thing.

00:20And, you know, are doctors prepared to let people die

00:23if we reach more than 33? I don't think so.

00:27Yeah, OK, Dr Bing Jones, I'll bring you in.

00:29Can I just ask, sorry, for the sake of clarity,

00:31what kind of doctor are you?

00:34Thanks, Patrick. I'm a retired doctor.

00:36I worked in hospitals, but now I'm really concerned about the climate.

00:41That's my main concern.

00:42So would you have supported hospital staff in walking out

00:48if they felt it was a bit hot in there?

00:50Look, this isn't about that.

00:52This is about trying to highlight the fact that thousands of people die

00:56when it's very, very hot.

00:58During heat waves, literally thousands die, babies die, elderly people,

01:04and mostly people who are vulnerable because of heart and lung disease.

01:07How many babies have died in Britain because it's got to 32 degrees,

01:11Dr Bing Jones?

01:12This is a serious issue.

01:15Come on, what are the numbers?

01:17During the last really big heat wave,

01:19when Britain reached the hottest temperature it's ever reached,

01:23to 40 degrees, there was something like 8,000 excess deaths.

01:27People die.

01:28People are dying all over the world.

01:30This is a serious issue.

01:31Doctors are going to be the first people dealing with the climate collapse.

01:36We're destroying our climate, and we're destroying our health.

01:40And doctors are raising here, they're doing the right thing.

01:43They're not sitting quietly.

01:45They're not making fun, as you are doing, Patrick,

01:48making fun of the biggest issue of our time.

01:51This affects real people.

01:53It affects your audience.

01:54The people listening to this programme...

01:56Yeah, of course.

01:56It affects all of us if a doctor decides to get up off their backside

02:01and walk out because they're a little bit hot.

02:02I mean, Charlie, you wouldn't have stood for this kind of behaviour

02:06when you were running your businesses, would you?

02:08Yeah, look, I think you're turning on to an issue about climate.

02:12This is about whether people are prepared to carry on working or not.

02:16Everybody across the country works.

02:18Why should doctors be any different?

02:19You're making a big thing out of the climate.

02:21This isn't about that.

02:22Is it about money?

02:24Are they working in air conditioning hospitals?

02:27They're inside.

02:28So how could it be affecting doctors?

02:31Surely the people that need the...

02:32Just one second.

02:33Surely the people that need the help

02:34are the people that are suffering or ill.

02:37So you're telling me doctors are prepared to let people die

02:40over one degree?

02:41I say no way would they do that.

02:43They're not that type of people.

02:44Those doctors, Dr Bing, they probably earn quite a bit of money

02:46given the fact that they continually have pay rises in this country.

02:49I bet they go on holidays to places like the Maldives and Mauritius.

02:52They go there deliberately for the hot weather, don't they?

02:54So what's the point of them walking out over this?

02:5631 degrees.

02:57I mean, grief is hardly the surface of the sun, is it?

03:00There were...

03:02That particular article highlighted a report saying that

03:05when you get over 26 degrees, people suffer.

03:1026 degrees?

03:12And there were 7,000 issues, incidents,

03:17when hospital wards got over that temperature.

03:20Look, people are...

03:22The temperature is going up all the time.

03:24Today, there were 60 of the leading climate scientists

03:26in the world saying that we're bankrupt.

03:29We're running out of our carbon budget.

03:33You probably...

03:34Your listeners are probably more aware of this

03:36than you are, Patrick.

03:37But there's a certain amount of carbon

03:39that we can put into the atmosphere

03:40and we've already put too much in.

03:42And if we keep going as we are,

03:44then these heat waves are going to be more frequent...

03:47It's not a heat wave, Dr. Bing.

03:49It's a little bit hot.

03:51This is...

03:51I wore a suit to walk to work today.

03:54It was fine, right?

03:55Bit sweaty around the back.

03:57Nothing to write home about.

03:58It's not the end of the world.

04:00It's just summer.

04:01It's really...

04:01No, you're...

04:02It's irresponsible.

04:03I'm misrepresenting the reality, am I?

04:04I'm lying about how hot I was on the walk into work, Dr. Bing.

04:07Yeah, oh, yeah.

04:08I nearly boiled in my own sweat, mate,

04:11if I'm being honest.

04:12Yeah, it was about 30 degrees.

04:14Reservoirs...

04:15There are reservoirs drying up.

04:16Oh, my God.

04:17There are streams drying up.

04:20There are animals dying.

04:22There are farmers saying that crops will be 20%, 30% down this year.

04:26What about patients?

04:27What about patients that are dying

04:31because the doctor's going to strike?

04:32What about them people?

04:33The people that are real,

04:34the people who have generally got health issues now,

04:38and you're worrying about a bit of farming

04:39and a bit of, like, a pond or a lake or something.

04:43I mean, get real and start concentrating on...

04:46They're being paid to save people's lives,

04:48not to kill people.

04:49Yeah, well...

04:50Look, Charlie, I think you and I agree.

04:54Doctors are not going to go out...

04:56going to go on strike about this.

04:57This is a motion for the BMA to put forward an idea,

05:02and the idea is that it's getting very hot

05:05and people are going to suffer

05:06and the government needs to do something about it.

05:09We all need to be aware of the risks.

05:12The Climate Change Committee has said

05:14that one in two houses in the UK...

05:16Sorry, one in four houses in the UK

05:17is at risk of flooding, one in two roads.

05:2030% of London is at risk of...

05:22Flooding?

05:22I thought all the reservoirs were drying up a minute ago,

05:24Dr. Spink.

05:25Hang on a minute.

05:25Are we underwater,

05:26or are we being singed on the cold surface of the earth?

05:30It's not my fault.

05:31You're just contradicting yourself.

05:32We are both drying up and we're drowning as well.

05:37It's both going together.

05:39We're suffering from extreme weather.

05:42And, Patrick, it's your responsibility to be honest

05:45and tell the whole truth to your audience,

05:47and you're not doing that.

05:49And these doctors are.

05:50They're trying to say,

05:52we're killed and we need to pay attention.

05:54All right.

05:55How come we get by in Dubai with 45, 50 degrees?

05:58In Spain, 40 degrees.

06:00They're not having a problem.

06:01Why are we having a problem?

06:02Well, there we go.

06:03In Dubai, all the rich people have got air conditioning, Charlie.

06:06You know this.

06:07You live in Spain.

06:08You're somebody who lives abroad.

06:11You've got air conditioning.

06:12People in rich countries have air-conditioned cars,

06:15air-conditioned cars, and air-conditioned houses.

06:17They control things and poor people die.

06:20Are you telling me that in the hospitals

06:23and they don't have air-conditioned?

06:25Is that what you're telling me?

06:26All right.

06:27Good point.

06:27It's a good point to end it on, right?

06:29Sorry, guys.

06:29We're going to have to come in because we're out of time.

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