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The Israel-Iran conflict has entered its fourth day with both sides launching missile strikes. World leaders are calling for de-escalation as fears of a wider conflict grow.
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00:00The Israel versus Iran face-off has entered its fourth day today,
00:05with both sides showing no signs of taking any step towards de-escalation.
00:10While the world, including India, continues to watch the situation with increasing concern,
00:17the fact remains that we have our own skin in the game.
00:20Thousands of Indians are stranded in both nations.
00:23The big question, of course, is just is there any kind of endgame?
00:28And will this result in a regime change in Iran?
00:31Or will the U.S. put pressure on Israel now to back off?
00:36Our top story today on a conflict that's threatening to escalate into a full-blown war.
00:47It's day four of a war that has plunged West Asia into chaos
00:52and threatens to drag in the rest of the world.
00:55A devastating wave of missile strikes from Iran.
01:01Loud explosions were heard in Israel's Haifa area
01:05as some of the Iranian missiles slipped through Israel's missile defense, hitting civilian areas.
01:11Israel and Iran launched fresh attacks on each other,
01:19killing scores of civilians and raising fears of a wider conflict.
01:24Eyewitness images showed thick plumes of smoke rising next to a refinery plant in Israel's Haifa.
01:32Meanwhile, Israeli army released a video which showed a strike on military site
01:37in the Iranian capital of Tehran.
01:45Israeli air force also identified an illuminated surface-to-air missile launch troops
01:51seconds before they reached the launchers south of Tehran.
01:54The Israeli troops were eliminated and the launcher was destroyed in Israeli strike.
01:59We are here because of an existential war.
02:09Think about what would happen if Iran had nuclear weapons.
02:12We embarked on a war of salvation against the threat.
02:17Iran will pay a heavy price for the killing of civilians.
02:20We will strike them.
02:21We will deliver them a crushing blow.
02:25They will feel our might.
02:31Iran has now also said that its parliament is preparing a bill
02:35to leave the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
02:38and that Tehran remains opposed to developing weapons of mass destruction.
02:42Meanwhile, world leaders continue to push for de-escalation in war.
02:50Well, I hope there's going to be a deal.
02:52I think it's time for a deal and we'll see what happens.
02:55But sometimes they have to fight it out.
02:58But we're going to see what happens.
02:59I think there's a good chance there'll be a deal.
03:03But India too has a human stake in the conflict.
03:06Trapped in the war zone are Indians, especially those in Iran.
03:29Families of over 1,500 Kashmiri students stuck in Iran
03:33have appealed to Prime Minister Modi to intervene.
03:36After the Indian government's assurance,
04:05Indian students in Tehran are being evacuated to the city of Qom.
04:10Tehran has stated that although the airspace is closed over Iran,
04:14all land borders are open for the safe evacuation of Indian nationals.
04:18It is the gravest crisis to engage an already disturbed West Asia region in years.
04:25And as Israel and Iran show no signs of de-escalation,
04:29countries like India are wary of being dragged into the crossfire,
04:34both literally and figuratively.
04:36Bureau Report, India Today.
04:38Okay, my first guest tonight is May Golan.
04:43She's a senior minister in the government of Benjamin Netanyahu.
04:47She's joining me from a safe place in Tel Aviv at the moment,
04:52a city that's been bombed.
04:53May, I appreciate you joining us.
04:56We have seen in the last few days and hours indeed,
05:01a further escalation of this conflict.
05:04One missile thrown by Iran on Tel Aviv responded with missiles on Tehran.
05:09Is there an end game to this conflict?
05:11Or are we going to see these tit-for-tat strikes continue over the next few days?
05:16Look, we have to admit the facts and the truth.
05:22Israel has been avoiding this war for over 20 years.
05:27But right now we see that Israel has reached the return point with the Iranian regime in Iran,
05:33which is actually a dictatorship that says every day of every week of the year
05:38that she wants to destroy the state of Israel and kill the population of Israel.
05:43Israel wishes no wish to go into war, to take her soldiers into war, her pilots.
05:52She has no wish to put the majority of her population in safe rooms, you know.
05:58But you're saying, May, that you're claiming that Israel does not want to push the region into war.
06:05But here you have Iran claiming that Israel has been the aggressor this time.
06:10Iran is the one that is exercising the right to self-defense after the missile strikes
06:15and the taking out of Iranian military commanders and nuclear scientists.
06:21How do you respond to what you're hearing from Tehran?
06:26Yes, but the only difference is that we are trying to eliminate the dictatorship,
06:33the Ayatollah, the Iranian regime that for years says that Israel needs to end.
06:38Those who are shooting an innocent population, we are telling the population to live in a head.
06:44They are not.
06:45Really, you know, in the end of the day, I have to understand,
06:49is there any country that will accept the fact that there is a regime
06:52that says every day that it wants to destroy it?
06:55I don't know any other country like that.
06:57You're saying that Iran wants to destroy Israel.
07:02Is Israel in turn looking for a regime change in Iran that you want Ayatollah Khamenei to be replaced?
07:08There were reports that Donald Trump, according to Benjamin Netanyahu,
07:14that there is no regime change as such,
07:20but he wants the people of Iran to rise against the Ayatollah.
07:24Are you looking for a regime change in Iran?
07:30First of all, I want to say that we have no beef with the Iranian people.
07:34On the contrary, we had great friendship 50 years ago with the Iranian people.
07:40We admire them, their culture, their strongness, their beliefs.
07:44We have no fight with them.
07:46We have a fight with their regime.
07:47Now, I can't meddle in the people in what they want.
07:53They always decide what kind of regime they want.
07:55They have a dictatorship, so they don't get to decide.
07:58We have a democracy.
07:59So in a democracy, you get to decide who will manage your country.
08:03But is there an endgame, ma'am?
08:06Because this could now, with every passing day, escalate, widen and join other countries in the Middle East,
08:12possibly in other parts of the world, given the stakes involved.
08:16Is that a fear or not that this is going to escalate beyond control?
08:20There is only one endgame.
08:26Iran has to stop enrich uranium.
08:29Iran has to stop and try to have nuclear weapons that will destroy Israel.
08:35That is the only endgame.
08:37We won't stop until we know that the state of Israel and her civilians are safe and protected,
08:43just like any other country in the world will not accept that.
08:48I have to tell you, listen, we are an island of justice in a sea of evil.
08:56This is not just the fight of Israel.
08:58Yes, we are fighting for our protection.
09:01But this is the fight of every liberal democracy.
09:05This is the fight of the free world.
09:07This is the fight for evil against good, for what's right against what's wrong.
09:12This is the fight.
09:14No one in his wrong mind can look at the Iranian regime, which is a cruel, cruel, vulnerable dictatorship,
09:20and say that that is a normal thing that can exist.
09:24These two people, they're fighting Israel, the small Satan, and America, the big Satan.
09:30So that means, that means there is a social democracy in every shape of the world.
09:36Why should we accept that?
09:38Should we wait for the second nuclear holocaust to happen?
09:41Should we?
09:43You're saying that you can't wait for the second nuclear holocaust to happen.
09:48You're blaming this on Iran's uranium enrichment program, which Iran says they are perfectly entitled to do.
09:54They claim it's a matter of their national sovereignty.
09:57But let me break down what you said just now, May.
10:00Number one, there will be those who will argue today that Israel's response in the last few days is disproportionate.
10:07Not just in Iran, but we've also seen in Gaza the manner in which innocent children have been killed.
10:15I know what happened on October 7, 2023 was terrible.
10:19But look at the response that you're seeing.
10:21Innocents are being killed, both in Gaza and in Iran.
10:26Is your response proportionate?
10:30Absolutely not.
10:31I think what happened on October 7 was the most horrifying attack against Jews since the holocaust.
10:38And I think that seeing the sights, if you would have seen the sights of women being raped, murdered,
10:44babies being slaughtered, men being cut off in their heads.
10:49I don't think that anyone can criticize Israel.
10:53And I remind you that the only innocent people that are in Gaza right now are the 53 hostages that are still being held in the grunges,
11:02in the tunnels of the horrifying Nazi shamas terrorists of our days.
11:09And they are the ones who should be released.
11:12Someone should take care of them now if they eat, if they're alive, if they're being tormented, if they're getting medical care.
11:20No one cares about them.
11:22You know, you also mentioned earlier, this is a fight for the free world, between the forces of good and evil.
11:31Do you, therefore, expect, if this is a fight for the free world, Western democracies to join you in this fight?
11:37The U.S. and the Western allies will join you in this fight against Iran at some stage?
11:43Is that the Israeli hope?
11:44First of all, I want to say from this stage that I salute President Donald Trump and his efforts and his right place in the history of what's right and what's wrong.
11:57I can tell you that President Trump knows what's right and what's wrong, and he knows that we are trying to do every kind of diplomatic way in order to solve that.
12:07And when it's not possible, then we have to go out to war.
12:10Now this is Israel's war.
12:13And I trust President Trump to know what to do when it's time to do it.
12:18President Trump says he wants to try and reach an agreement.
12:22And, well, we wish there is an agreement with someone to do an agreement with and for them to stop and enrich an uranium for a nuclear pump.
12:31Until then, we have to keep our civilians safe.
12:35And we will do that alone if we have to.
12:37But I know, I know that the free world will not let it stand aside.
12:42Because if Israel will be destroyed, the rest of the free world will be destroyed.
12:47The liberation, enlightened world will not be able to exist.
12:50Again, I'm emphasizing this is a fight between good and bad.
12:55You know, but why not, you know, you say that, repeatedly say you all want peace.
13:00If you want peace, then why not allow the U.S.-Iran negotiations on the nuclear issue to continue?
13:07These negotiations were to take place yesterday in Oman.
13:12They were called off at the last moment.
13:14If you all ask, why did you all, why did you not allow the U.S.-Iran negotiations to continue?
13:19Why did you strike?
13:20I'll tell you why.
13:24I'll tell you why.
13:26First of all, you asked why to not prolong with the talks.
13:30Well, they are cheating.
13:31They are absolutely cheating.
13:33They are lying.
13:34They are continuing with the talks, saying they are stopping to the Mediterranean, saying they will bring it to an agreement, while they are continuing non-stop.
13:43We have an intel, a very good intel, I might add, an intel that the United States of America is well aware of.
13:50And that intel shows very clearly that we haven't stopped to reach in-reach uranium, and haven't stopped in order to try and destroy the state of Israel.
13:59Now, I'm telling you that if we wouldn't have got that very good intel of our Mossad and our forces, then we wouldn't have known that we have reached a very, very dangerous point in the basic existence of the state of Israel.
14:16And I don't know any leader in the country that would have been fully aware of the fact that there is a real danger, a real jeopardy to the existence of 10 million people in his country, and he would have stayed silent.
14:31This is a leader.
14:32Our leader knows what he's doing.
14:34Our military forces know what they're doing.
14:37They don't know what they're doing.
14:39Trust me, we have a very successful country that has been able, in 80 years, to establish a high-tech environment, that has been able to reach so many achievements, cultural, economic, social.
14:53We don't want to ruin our lives.
14:57We don't want to try and live in a horrible world.
15:00This is not our goal at all compared to the Iranian regime that is making the population in his country miserable, miserable and poor, hungry and depressed, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.
15:14I've been reaching for a new and destroyed the Zionism, aka the state of Israel.
15:19That's why we have to attack now.
15:23Are you surprised though, May, by the intensity of what Iran is also doing?
15:27The fact is that missiles have hit deep into Tel Aviv.
15:33There was reports of an attack close to the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv.
15:38Tehran seems to be sending the message, May, that don't treat us just as a proxy.
15:43We are not Hezbollah.
15:44We are not the Hivutis.
15:45We are a strong state and we will hit you back.
15:48Are you surprised?
15:52No, I'm not surprised at all.
15:54You know what I am surprised of?
15:56I am surprised from the millions of views that the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is getting with every video that he is saying to the Iranian people.
16:06I am surprised with the thousands of messages we are getting as support from the Iranian people and the wishes they wish on us and the happiness they have in our attempt to bring back also freedom.
16:20That's what I'm surprised of.
16:22So what you are saying is Israel will continue to target Tehran, which means there will continue to be civilian casualties as they were in Gaza.
16:30Is that the strategy now to somehow or the other raise the costs of this war for Iran, even if it means killing civilians?
16:41I can tell you that the IDF, the army of Israel, is the most moral army in the world.
16:50And I stand behind what I say.
16:52And we are telling the population all the time to leave.
16:55We are not targeting innocent civilians.
16:59We are only targeting the regime of dictatorship of the Ayatollahs.
17:03And we will not stop until we take out the threat of terrorism and destruction on the state of Israel from the dictatorship of the Iranian regime.
17:14We will not stop.
17:15You will not stop.
17:17One final question, May.
17:19What about India?
17:20What do you expect, Madam Minister, from the Indian government of Prime Minister Modi?
17:25Because within the SCO, the Shanghai Corporation, you've got countries like China who seem to be coming out in support of Iran.
17:34Russia seems to be coming out in support of Iran.
17:36India has taken a seemingly more neutral stand.
17:40What do you expect from the Indian government?
17:42First of all, I want to, on behalf of myself and the government and our Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu,
17:53to say thank you to Narendra Modi, your Prime Minister, on his friendship and on his care to Israel throughout the years.
18:02And we expect from the entire liberal world to stand beside what's right.
18:09That's all.
18:10OK.
18:12There we have the minister joining us there.
18:16Appreciate May for joining us here on the show.
18:21May Golan joining me from Tel Aviv.
18:24Stay safe.
18:25Thanks very much for joining us.
18:26The big questions, of course.
18:28Can Israel still claim to be the victim, as was suggested by the minister in that interview?
18:32Will America surely, sooner or later, get involved militarily?
18:37Are we heading for a full-fledged war in the Middle East?
18:40What is the real endgame?
18:42Joining me now is Casey Singh.
18:44He's former Indian ambassador to Iran and UAE, former secretary of the MEA.
18:48And Kushri Sayyid Isfahani is an Iran watcher and senior research analyst, National Union for Democracy in Iran.
18:55Appreciate both of you joining us on the show.
18:58So, Casey, let me come to you first here because it seems at the moment, listening to the Israeli minister,
19:06that Israel wants to, in a way, without saying so, try and push the Iranian regime to the brink.
19:14Do you see that happening in the next few days or are we heading for a long-drawn-out war?
19:21I don't think it's going to be long-drawn-out.
19:23Some of the signals late this evening, some of the messages coming out are that Iranians have asked Qatar, Oman and Saudis
19:32to convey to the Americans the message that they should restrain Israel and a ceasefire should be there.
19:38Normally, Rajneep, in any such confrontation, I think first day, Israel dominated the attack because they took Iran by surprise.
19:47Iranians felt that because the talks were due two days later with the Americans...
19:51I'm having some problem with your audio, Mr. Singh.
19:54Let me try and get your audio fixed.
19:56In the meantime, I'm going to go to Kushri Sayyid Isfahani.
19:59Kushri, the same question to you.
20:00Are we seeing the possibility of a regime change in Iran with every passing day?
20:07Or do you see now hope of a de-escalation of this conflict with possible American and even Russian involvement?
20:15Hello, sir.
20:16Thank you for having me.
20:18So the issue right now is that Israel has the upper hand in this conflict.
20:23The Islamic Republic has zero chance of fending off these attacks.
20:28You're saying that literally almost all parts of their defense system has been taken out without being able to even impose any meaningful impact on the incoming projectiles.
20:44In addition to that, yes, the Islamic Republic is trying to pull this old line that the regime is looking for this glation.
20:53It's hoping that it can find an off-ramp, but without any cost.
20:59This regime is not going to change its four-decade-old strategy and ideology.
21:06They are going to pursue weapons of mass destruction.
21:09They are going to pursue building drones that have claimed hundreds and hundreds of lives across the Middle East.
21:17They are going to continue the missile program.
21:20They are going to continue exporting terrorism around the world.
21:24So the off-ramp that this regime is hoping to achieve is maintaining all these weapons of terror.
21:33What can be the end goal here for the Israeli side is defanging the Islamic Republic, removing the threat once and for all.
21:42Okay, so you seem to suggest that the Israelis are looking at regime change.
21:49Now, that's a very controversial, contentious issue, Casey Singh.
21:53But you seem to suggest, before we got cut off, that you believe that there are signs of de-escalation, possibly with U.S. and Russian involvement?
22:02Yes, I think what U.S. has been doing is, they are watching it from the sidelines.
22:08There is a reluctance to jump in.
22:11And the very fact that the Prime Minister of Israel invited Americans to come in to finish the job indicated that though they dominate the skies over Iran,
22:22Iranians have been able to hit through the Iron Dome with their missiles.
22:26So it's kind of a, it's a tit for tat, it's not a very one-sided encounter.
22:32So as a result, you are seeing damage in Tel Aviv, you are seeing damage in Africa and the port and the electricity production units.
22:40So they can keep hitting each other.
22:42But Iranians, Israel have not been able to permanently damage those parts of the Iranian nuclear program which are embedded in the mountains, which are underground.
22:52That can't be done without American help and without their bunker busters and so on and so forth.
22:59So what's happening is there are reports Americans are moving their huge amount of mid-air refuelers from America towards this region.
23:09I think they're sending a signal to Iran that if this goes on at some stage, America will have to jump in.
23:16And therefore, time has come for Iran to put the cards on the table.
23:19So what the Iranians, apparently the message which is going out, the writers have carried it, is that they'll be more flexible in their negotiation.
23:29Normally, Rajdeep, in any such fight, either you have a victor and you have a defeated, or you have both exchanging blows.
23:38And then each can tell their own country that, look, we've also drawn the blood.
23:42And then you can sit down and talk.
23:45And you can't carry on this way.
23:46I think Israel, being a much smaller country, because of the hypersonic missiles of Iran, being able to penetrate their defense,
23:55even if 10 missiles or 5 missiles go in, they are causing a lot of damage.
23:59So even though Israel can say that they will carry on, but I think the damage beyond a stage, it's a democracy.
24:07Public opinion will kick in.
24:09Whereas in Iran, it's much easier for them to handle the public opinion than it will be possible for Israel.
24:15So I think the window is available now in the next 24, 48 hours.
24:19Because the only danger is that if either a black flag operation where an American base or some American asset is attacked,
24:32then the war will widen instantly because Americans will have to jump in.
24:36And I think that narrow window is available in the next day or so.
24:40Also, President Trump will be in Canada.
24:42He'll find all the other G7 leaders telling him to do something about it.
24:46Because you can't discuss any other big affair, economic affair, trade, nothing, until this war is going on.
24:53Let me bring in what the endgame possibilities are.
24:58Tit-for-tat retaliation continues.
25:02Iran accelerates its nuclear program after exiting the talks with the US.
25:08They've already suggested that they could even exit the NPT treaty.
25:12Iran then leverages proxies, Houthis and Hezbollah to strike Israel.
25:17The strikes on US targets in Gulf force would result in direct American involvement.
25:24And then, of course, Israel affects a regime change by removing Khamenei.
25:27He's now 86.
25:29All China and Russia take sides and the conflict becomes a full-scale war.
25:33So, there are lots of possibilities that exist at the moment.
25:38And all these possibilities, in a way, are on the table as long as this war continues, as we are seeing over the last few days.
25:47Let me go back to my guest in the United States.
25:51Koshro, what's your sense?
25:54Do you believe that the people of Iran will stand with their regime even if they see this kind of destruction?
26:02That's exactly what I wanted to talk about and push back on the comments from the other honorable guests.
26:09The thing is, the understanding of outside world from the Iranian people, what they feel has been wrong for a very, very long time.
26:21Since these attacks have started, many Iranians have took to social media platforms.
26:27Families of people who were killed by this regime during the previous rounds of protest movements are writing under a specific hashtag saying that our enemy is here.
26:40They are recounting the violence that they have faced from the regime and repeating this message that the Islamic Republic is the enemy of the Iranian people, not any outside voice or force.
26:55That's point one.
26:56Point two, we already are seeing people chanting death to Khamenei while missiles and drones are flying over Tehran.
27:06This is not an isolated incident.
27:10We are seeing these videos coming out of Tehran almost every night.
27:14Since the attack started, people are chanting death to murderous Khamenei in Tehran.
27:19That's the general mood among a large portion of the Iranian society who, since the inception of this theocratic system, has been fighting against the regime, has been on the streets, has paid the blood price for making any meaningful change possible in Iran, and is still on the front line of fighting this regime.
27:44That has not changed.
27:45That has not changed.
27:46The Iranian people are not going to rally behind Ali Khamenei and its murderous regime.
27:50And sorry for taking more time, but the military capabilities of the Islamic Republic are in no way at the same standing as the Israeli government.
28:02Yes, they have ballistic missiles and drones, but in the first wave of the attack that the Islamic Republic mounted, not a single drone passed Israeli defenses.
28:12Yes, they are targeting Israeli civilians.
28:15Yes, they are causing harm to innocent people in Israel, but that has been minimal compared to the level that the Israeli army has been able to literally decapitate the whole IRGC.
28:29All the top command of the IRGC has been taken out without a large military campaign, without boots on the ground.
28:38Okay.
28:39I just want to, before I end, also remind people what this means for India and the world.
28:4580% of crude oil imports are via the state of Hormuz.
28:49Now that is at risk, particularly if Iran decides to intensify the conflict.
28:54Rising fuel costs, fuel was up intraday to $78, could even cross $100 if the war continues, leads to global uncertainty hitting markets.
29:05There's a disruption to trade and connectivity to Iran and Israel.
29:09And don't forget, at risk, 20,000 Indians in Israel, 10,000 in Iran.
29:14What does this mean for the world?
29:15Food prices, as I said, could rise above $100 a barrel, fueling global inflation.
29:20Multiple war fronts breaking out in West Asia and Middle East.
29:24An opportunity for Russia and China to consolidate their influence in the region.
29:29Casey Singh, what stand then should India take?
29:32So far, unlike other countries, India is trying to maintain neutrality.
29:36It's broadly seen to be pro-Israel, if anything.
29:39How do you see this playing out?
29:41What cards does India hold, if any, at all?
29:45I think we'll have to continue with the same stand.
29:48I don't think we have any cards.
29:50If you see, Pakistan has jumped in very strongly on the side of Iran.
29:55They want to use this opportunity to make an Islamic connection.
29:59There are also reports, I don't know whether they are correct.
30:02They have said that if Israel uses a nuclear device against Iran, we will retaliate.
30:08I don't know whether that's correct or not.
30:09They've denied that.
30:10Casey, they've denied that.
30:11They've denied that.
30:12The Iranian said that Pakistan was ready to use a nuclear strike on Israel.
30:18That has been denied by Islamabad.
30:20But go ahead.
30:21Nevertheless, they are reaching out to Pakistan.
30:23And they think there's an opportunity there.
30:25Because you've got Turkey, you've got Pakistan.
30:28There's a convergence of the Islamic countries.
30:31Gulf countries are, of course, secretly very happy if Iran is defanged.
30:36But in public, because the public opinion at the street level will be totally with Iran on this.
30:42Let's not make any mistakes.
30:43And the very fact that it's been known that President Trump apparently conveyed
30:50did not agree with the killing of the supreme leader of Iran.
30:55That's not been denied by anyone.
30:56That report has come out that President Trump vetoed it.
30:59Now, that means even the Americans know that you can't completely decapitate the Iranian regime.
31:05You will have chaos after that.
31:07It's better.
31:08A beaten up Iran is better than a dead Iran.
31:11You know, that's of no use to anyone.
31:13It's too large a country, 90 million, 88 million people.
31:17You don't want instability in that part.
31:19It'll destabilize the whole region.
31:21So I think what they want is an Iran which has faced the consequences.
31:28And Israel also which has seen.
31:30Because Netanyahu has been dying to go at Iran for a long time.
31:36And he's not been able to decapitate them fully.
31:39He took them by surprise the first day.
31:41And despite the RGS top command has been taken out,
31:44Iran has still shown that they're able to hit back.
31:46They haven't stopped hitting back.
31:48They've taken their, you know, various assets out.
31:51But they are still able to fire right missiles every night.
31:54So they have underground places where they've got missiles.
31:58They've slowly gone up using more and more sophisticated missiles.
32:03So they're conveying that they can.
32:06And don't forget, even Israel has a limited amount of anti-missile capability.
32:12And that's why there was a report that Qatar is a plane which has carried some more anti-missile batteries from Qatar to Israel.
32:22So even the Americans may have very limited amount.
32:25So you can keep flinging the missiles there.
32:28And a missile may be worth $10,000, $20,000.
32:31But the one that Israel is firing to stop it is worth a few million dollars.
32:35So this can't go on.
32:36It's economically also not matchable.
32:38So I think Americans sensibly have sat out.
32:41And now they have an opportunity.
32:43And I hope they seize it and bring them back to the table.
32:47Both being humbled in their own way.
32:49Each one has tried.
32:50Okay.
32:51I'm going to leave it there, KC Singh.
32:52There was a very detailed answer that you've just given us to what is a very complex issue.
32:57One that over the next 48 hours could hopefully see some kind of de-escalation.
33:03Much depends, of course, on the two principal stakeholders, Netanyahu and Kamini.
33:08Appreciate my guests joining me.
33:10Mr. Isfani from Washington.
33:12KC Singh here in New Delhi.
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