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  • 6/13/2025
During Thursday’s Natural Resources Committee hearing, Rep. Melanie Stansbury (D-NM) spoke about the Trump Administration’s handling of tribal affairs.

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00:00As time has expired, the chair recognizes the gentlelady from New Mexico, Ms. Stansbury, for five minutes.
00:06Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hello, Mr. Secretary. It's wonderful to have you here today.
00:11We haven't had the opportunity to sit down, but I do hope that we do.
00:15And I'm grateful that you're here to talk about the administration's budget for 2026.
00:21And certainly, I know, personally, I have a lot of questions about the budget,
00:24but I want to use the majority of my time today to really drill down on one of the core mission areas of Interior,
00:30which is tribal affairs.
00:32And I know that as former governor of North Dakota, this is an area that you've worked on in the past.
00:40I know, at least from things I've read and folks have told me,
00:43you're proud of your work that you've done with North Dakota's tribes.
00:47And I know that many of our tribal leaders were actually very optimistic
00:50when you were named as the secretary because of that background.
00:53And so, I think it's within that context that the administration's handling of tribal affairs
01:00since January has been so, I'll just say, perplexing and frustrating.
01:07In New Mexico, we have 23 sovereign tribes, and I'm the vice chair of the bipartisan Native American caucus
01:14here in Congress that includes Mr. Cole and Cherise Davids as the chairs.
01:20And as I know you're aware, I mean, the issues that are affecting Indian country
01:25because of the administration is vast.
01:29And I'm literally hearing from tribal leaders every single day.
01:34And amongst the many, many things that folks are saying to me is that they feel like
01:40how the administration is approaching tribal affairs is not only broken, but feels like a betrayal.
01:46And among some of the issues that come up over and over again is the proposed cut in this budget
01:52of almost a billion dollars for BIA and BIE, the mass firings and layoffs of staff at BIA
01:59that happened over the last few months, and of BIE, the firing of faculty at our two tribal schools,
02:06which I'm sure you're well aware of, the loss of over 800 employees at BIA,
02:11and the proposed consolidation of the BIA regional offices, freezing of grants for tribes across the country.
02:18We had tribal leaders here just last week talking about they still have frozen grants.
02:25Threats to revoking critical protections for sacred places like Chaco Canyon,
02:31which I know BLM has reached out to our tribal leaders about.
02:34We have an executive order that was revoked on consultation policies.
02:39There's an executive order that proposes to turn BIE and tribal education into a school voucher program.
02:46We have a reconciliation bill here that the president's trying to push that would eviscerate Medicaid
02:51and food assistance to tribal communities, and just general chaos and fear.
02:56And you're a CEO.
02:58You come out of the business world.
03:00And so I respect that quite a lot.
03:02I grew up in a family of small businesses.
03:05And I'll just say this in a very honest way here, because I think it needs to be said,
03:10because many of our tribal leaders are afraid to say this directly,
03:13because they don't want to have a bad relationship with the department,
03:17because they need to have a good relationship.
03:20What's happening at the department right now is not okay.
03:23It's impacting all 570-plus tribes, and they are in crisis right now,
03:30spending constant time trying to figure out how they're going to plan for their communities,
03:35how they're going to finish projects, what they're going to do if these budget cuts go through.
03:39They're in crisis.
03:40And when they try to reach out to your office, when they try to reach out to Indian Affairs,
03:44when they try to reach out to BIA regional staff, they're not hearing back from people.
03:50And part of why they're not hearing back from people is because a lot of people got fired, right?
03:54But also because there's a lot of, there's a culture of fear inside of Department of Interior.
04:00And, you know, I know that there was a kind of shock and awe policy at the beginning of the administration
04:06to try to winnow out some of the staff.
04:09But because of the tribal trust responsibility, like, this can't continue.
04:14It's not sustainable for our tribal governments.
04:16So my ask to you in a very earnest way is that you will make space and create opportunities
04:25to meet with tribal leaders directly, honestly, and have these honest conversations
04:31that you'll fight to try to reverse the budget cuts that are in this budget
04:35because our tribes can't sustain a billion dollars in cuts to BIA.
04:39They can't.
04:39And I know you know that.
04:40I mean, most of this is contracts that go directly to tribes.
04:46And to work to try to address these issues and ensure that there's real consultation with our tribes.
04:52And I'm short on time, but Mr. Brigham, can I get your commitment that you'll do that?
04:58I would love to follow up with you.
05:01You've got some insights.
05:02I'd like to start off with a meeting with you.
05:05But if there's an opportunity to meet with the bipartisan caucus to have a more in-depth discussion
05:10and listen to everything that you're hearing, I would look forward to that.
05:14I would deeply appreciate that.
05:16And Mr. Chairman, I'll just say very quickly, you know, I'm a former OMB-er.
05:20I was a career staffer at OMB in the interior branch, and I know how that place works.
05:25And I know this budget was shoved down the throats of our agencies,
05:28and I hope you'll work with us to fix what's broken in it.
05:31So appreciate it.
05:33I yield back.

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