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The Jeremy Kyle Show- 27th July 2018
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00:10On today's show, the results are in. Rachel's back on the Jeremy Kyle show.
00:18What was she saying? What was she saying? What was she saying?
00:20What was she saying? What was she saying?
00:20What was she saying? I don't know what to do, but I didn't know.
00:23Definitely. It was a wallet and then it was a pair.
00:25Make your mind up. You open it up, please.
00:28What was she saying? What was she saying?
00:30I like that card.
00:31Have you done coding?
00:36Did you steal the kids' money?
00:38My kids' money.
00:39Just leave that there, what she just said. My kids' money. And read the test.
00:43We asked Samantha, did you steal any of the money that went missing from Rachel's purse? She said...
00:49You're on the Jeremy Kyle show saying, I believe he might have nicked money from it.
00:53I don't want to think he's done it, but money doesn't fly, so it can't just disappear.
00:57Did you steal the money?
00:58No.
00:59100%.
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01:45What's the accusation?
01:46What are you saying she did?
01:48She knits 80 pound out of my purse
01:49Cus me purse was where she was actually...
01:54You say she's not good with money.
01:57I'm not daft. I don't know what goes on her head. She's greedy
02:01She was skinned the day before
02:03You get your turn to me
02:05You're talking to me
02:07You're talking to me
02:08You fief
02:09You better move that
02:09Because I'll kill you
02:11She's a poison, horrible liar
02:15See, see, I still want nothing to do
02:17Because she knows she's a lying little rat
02:20Right, give me the camera part two tomorrow
02:25As she comes back for a lie detector
02:27Go, see you tomorrow, go
02:28So we sent Samantha off to take that lie detector test
02:34And the big news is the results are in first though
02:36Rachel's back on the Jeremy Card Show
02:38How feisty were you?
02:46How feisty were you yesterday?
02:48When I see that head, it just makes me go off, won't I?
02:52You've been with Sam's brother for 12 years
02:55Three kids with Dave
02:56You say we went on holiday
02:58There was my purse
02:59Some money for my kids
03:01You say she nicked the money
03:03How can you be sure?
03:05Because I counted the money the night before
03:07We did nothing apart from
03:09Tied the caravan
03:10Get in the car, go home
03:11And when I got home, it was gone
03:13This is money that was for your children?
03:15Yep
03:16She said, you're talking out of wherever
03:18You've always had it in for you
03:19You don't like the fact that
03:21I'm talking out on holiday, I've never cared
03:23She says that she knows that you're no good for a brother
03:27That you manipulate him
03:28Interestingly, he did a statement saying
03:30I believe it's my sister who stole my fiancée Rachel's money
03:33Since this has happened
03:34It's affected my relationship with my sister so much
03:36We don't speak
03:36And haven't done for six months
03:37Feels like Sam has a problem with Rachel
03:39You've got a problem with each other
03:40You're smiling
03:40You think she's going to fail this?
03:42Yep
03:42What if she passes, love?
03:44Well, she's still a horrible, vile person
03:47Anyway, she's been running her mouth around
03:50They're going to do this, do that
03:52Oh, grey!
03:52You're going to do something
03:53Show that one
03:55Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
04:00I'm sorry, I'm sorry
04:01You know what I feel sorry for that I'm here
04:10That my brother's got to go back
04:11And look at that
04:12I wouldn't surprise me
04:13What was she saying last night?
04:14When Nate comes out
04:15I don't want nothing to do about Dave
04:17Definitely
04:19Oh, we feel confident
04:20But you don't want nothing to do
04:21Definitely
04:21Definitely
04:22All right
04:22She contradicted herself
04:23Because she said
04:24I took, she took that money
04:26But yesterday you turned around to her
04:27And said
04:28You sold it
04:28It was my money
04:29I don't care if she didn't take it
04:31I don't want nothing to do with that
04:32He said to them
04:33I said plastic purse
04:36And then it was a wallet
04:38And then it was a purse
04:39Meet your mind
04:40You were going to be not clean
04:42Oh, yeah
04:43Is he a minute here?
04:45Have you got a minute here?
04:47Please don't
04:47No
04:47Please don't
04:48She looked
04:49I like that coat
04:50Have you done coating?
04:54Yeah, they have
04:55Yeah, they have
04:55See how many of you and me don't wear
04:57Look at her teeth
04:58Ugh
04:59Yesterday she made an accusation
05:01That you're addicted to drugs
05:02Is that right?
05:03Codeine
05:03No
05:04Put it this way
05:05If anybody's got an injury in the family
05:07He's got to come to our house
05:08And see if you've got any codeine
05:09Who's had injuries?
05:10Who's had injuries?
05:11Who's had injuries?
05:13Who's had injuries?
05:14Who's had injuries?
05:14But Dave's already
05:15What are you about?
05:16Oh, mate
05:18Please
05:18I've never had nothing after you
05:20Listen
05:21That is why our Dave's not here
05:22Because he knows
05:23He couldn't
05:23Is it working?
05:24Is that a
05:24He's working for these kids
05:26Are you working?
05:28Are you working?
05:29I'm working
05:30And yet I am
05:31I'm working
05:31I'm working
05:32Is this all
05:32I'm working
05:33Do I got a potter?
05:35Where's his money?
05:35Where's his money?
05:35Where's his money?
05:37Where's his money?
05:37Where's his money?
05:38I'm not
05:39I'm not
05:39This is funny
05:40Have you always been so close to sister-in-law?
05:43This is funny
05:44She's engaged to Dave
05:50They're going to get married
05:51And then she'll be your sister-in-law
05:52No, no, no
05:53How much you bet she won't get married?
05:56They've been together 12 years ago
05:58When this comes back
05:59I'm not here to pretty much
05:59I'm just here to pretty much
06:00He thinks you're nicked it as well
06:02When this comes back
06:03Ah, Dave bless his cotton socks
06:04We'll get my
06:05tonight of his backs
06:06Will he?
06:07I guarantee
06:07She's always kicking him out
06:09Oh, I know
06:10I've got one
06:11What was it?
06:12What was it?
06:12Why does nobody like me?
06:14That's what we're going to write you up
06:16We're going to write you up
06:18We're going to write you up
06:19We're going to write you up
06:20All right
06:21We're using the kids as a weapon to our day
06:22No, we need to do anything for them kids
06:24Oh, what are you talking about, you?
06:26Oh, f**k
06:27Let's go to my family
06:29Let's go to my family
06:30Let's go to my family
06:31I know that you're a liar
06:32All right, all right
06:33All right
06:34So when we split up
06:35About 10 years ago
06:36I mean your name
06:37He was coming and taking
06:38Every week
06:40Do you think that she's cheated on your brother?
06:41Is that what you're
06:43Oh, listen
06:44It's rank
06:45It is absolutely rank
06:47It's the last night
06:49Hey, hey
06:50That's what my brother might have thought last night
06:52But bless his cotton socks
06:53When he sees what are lying
06:54They come
06:55What?
06:56Are you cheated on me?
06:57Listen
06:58The best of it is
06:59I have once and he knows about it
07:00No
07:01No, I have once
07:02Oh, yeah, yeah
07:03Except that's what I mean
07:04She's full of
07:06Did you steal the kids money?
07:08Don't
07:09My kids money
07:10Her kids money
07:11Did you steal her?
07:12Just leave that there
07:13What she just said
07:14My kids money
07:15And read the test
07:16Just read the test
07:17How many people think that Samantha stole the £80 out of Rachel's purse that was meant for the kids? How many people think she stole the money?
07:29Thank you very much to the rest of you
07:31Thank you very much
07:32We asked Samantha
07:33Did you steal any of the money that went missing from Rachel's purse? She said no
07:36Why did you say no?
07:37Cause we're telling the truth
07:38Of course she was telling the truth
07:39Thank you!
07:40Do you know for sure who stole the money that went missing from Rachel's purse? She said no cause she was telling the truth on both questions
07:56I
08:18Stolen you weirdo
08:20It was her and it wasn't!
08:22It was her and it wasn't!
08:24What about sorry for getting it wrong?
08:26Sorry!
08:28She didn't get it wrong!
08:30She lied! It wasn't sorry!
08:32That's the best apology ever!
08:34Sorry! That's what she did!
08:36Could you leave your
08:38imagination continue?
08:40So is this relationship going to get any better?
08:42No. My brother will be up my
08:44You know what?
08:46Do you know what?
08:48Do you know what?
08:50Do you know what the worst thing is?
08:52I feel sorry for my brother because this
08:54is going to make him and you know this is going to make him
08:56sick you honourable
08:58You honourable
09:00It will make him sick
09:02It will
09:04Alright!
09:06You know what my family said
09:08Keep away your
09:10Stop infesting
09:12the family!
09:14So you're marrying Dave? Are you going to the wedding?
09:16She's not going to marry you! Don't be silly!
09:18I'll tell you!
09:19How would you know?
09:20How would you know?
09:21I can swear down
09:22our Dave would not marry a lion
09:24It's only your son!
09:26Get it a nappy
09:28Get it a nappy for that mouth!
09:30Get it a nappy for that mouth!
09:32So you passed
09:34She's not a thief!
09:35Well I knew anyway!
09:36You're not going to say sorry?
09:38You know what? I don't want to go from that!
09:40I do not!
09:41To say that I'd nick off my niece and nephew is disgusting Rach
09:44and you know because I had
09:46nearly two years when you was apparently dying
09:48What?
09:49What?
09:50You know what Meg?
09:52Shut your mouth
09:53Yeah because you've been made to look
09:55You weirdo!
09:56No!
09:57I am
09:58I am
09:59I am
10:00Yeah
10:01Happy days!
10:02ANDREASY
10:12Well I don't know if that was the best of the most shocking apologies I've ever seen
10:14Alright, don't go anywhere because after the break
10:16we are back with more line and take to results
10:18Don't go anywhere!
10:19How many people think we didn't?
10:29Because he is here to see Katie. Who are you?
10:31I'm his older daughter. Do you know what Tara? If you want to know and talk so that Alex will bring everything to you. It does not civil with your word, Ben.
10:50My next guest today, Katrina, is here because she suspects the boyfriend Cameron of stealing money. To make matters worse, this girl is five months pregnant.
10:57She says, if my worst fears are confirmed and my boyfriend, the father of my unborn baby, is that low that he would nick from me, I'm telling you, pregnant or not, I am doing one.
11:06Katrina's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
11:15I'm nervous, though. Are you? Where are you from?
11:18Waterman Thames. Oh, posh down there. Yeah, if you say so.
11:21I am. Welcome to the show, Katrina, Cameron's partner for a year. So, how did you... This is very romantic, by the way. Where'd you meet?
11:27East Croydon train station. Brilliant. How?
11:30Oh, cos I was with his best friend at the time, and I'd never met Cameron, and he'd come out the train station and just started talking to me, and then he walked over to my friends, and I was like, oh my God, too late then.
11:39So, you weren't sleeping with the two at the same time? No.
11:43No way.
11:45Five months pregnant, so the relationship developed quite quickly from East Croydon train... six months.
11:50Um, and, and a man that you're in love with, a man that you are going to spend the rest of your life with?
11:55Yeah. It's heartbreaking, but...
11:57Well, we'll talk about that in a minute, in terms of the pregnancy. Planned, happy, was... Yeah, planned.
12:01Yeah? So he's happy, planned.
12:03Yeah.
12:03Um, so, you paint that picture, the man you want to spend the rest of your life with, the man that you've planned a baby with, you seem really balanced, you seem pretty switched on, and yet you're on the Jeremy Cowell show saying, I believe he might have nicked money from me.
12:18Let's hear the story. What, what, what we're talking about?
12:20So, like, like, I don't want to think he's done it, but money doesn't fly, so it can't just disappear.
12:25So, like...
12:26Oh, there he is.
12:29Money obviously doesn't fly, so it's gone somewhere.
12:31But doesn't the wind?
12:32Well, yeah, if you let it go.
12:34Still got to get out of my purse for that.
12:36It's not about the amount, it's about potentially...
12:39Just tell us the story, because it's quite detailed, isn't it?
12:42Just tell us what happened, and why you suspect this man.
12:45No, it's just that we'd had a bit of an argument, so I left, went to walk to my mum's, obviously, packed my bag.
12:51Obviously.
12:51Yeah.
12:52Everyone runs to their mum when they need something.
12:54So, walked off, and then he met me about half an hour later, and then we was obviously with other people.
13:00They'd gone back to my house, and we walked up to the garage, got a drink, and he was holding my handbag, because he holds my handbag.
13:07Does he?
13:07Yeah.
13:07It's very honourable, isn't it?
13:09So he's holding my handbag, and we've gone to the garage, and he's put it down, and, because while he's paying out the window, but I paid on Apple Pay, so I didn't get my purse out or anything.
13:18And then we've walked off, got about ten minutes up the road, and he was like, you put, like, your handbag.
13:22You've left your handbag in the garage?
13:24Yeah, my handbag.
13:24So you ran back and got it?
13:26Ran, literally sprinted up the road and got it.
13:27Come back, and I just said, oh, it's my purse in there.
13:29We looked for my purse.
13:30It was in there.
13:31Didn't think to open it or anything.
13:33And then we've walked back, come back.
13:35Like, gone upstairs, gone to bed, and then obviously there was other people in the house as well, and then I've woke up, they've all gone, and I've woke up to get, like, because I had to pay rent as well in the morning, and my money was gone.
13:47Um, here's my question, because there's plenty of opportunity, right, for somebody to put their hand in your bag at the petrol station.
13:55There's plenty of opportunity for other people in the house where other people are staying.
13:57Why would you be on national television saying about a boy, right, who you say you love, you want to spend the rest of your life with a guy that you plan to have a baby with.
14:07Why is he the main suspect?
14:09Why would your gaze immediately focus on him?
14:13Because I don't care about anyone else.
14:14No, no, but why would you suspect him?
14:16Because I don't, he's...
14:17Has he got, has he got a history of stealing?
14:19He's stolen before, but...
14:21From you?
14:23No, not from me.
14:24So being committed, is he, is he being prosecuted for that?
14:28Yeah, when he's younger.
14:29When he's, like, 16, and I think everyone does stupid stuff when you're young.
14:33Yeah, yeah, listen, everybody's got a past.
14:34Is it his past that makes you look in his direction for a guilty verdict, or what?
14:39No.
14:39Why, why would you not have thought, jeez, somebody could have nicked that at the petrol station, it could have been somebody in the house.
14:44I, I want to know why you firstly think Cameron, bang, why?
14:47Because if someone was going to take something from the petrol station, they'd take my whole bag.
14:51What if he's in the clear?
14:53Will you feel bad for bringing him here?
14:55No, I never accused him.
14:56He, he said that he wanted to come here and prove...
14:58So he's a decent young man, he wants to come and clear his name.
15:00He's amazing.
15:01He's been brilliant from the start.
15:03But he said that he wanted to come here.
15:04What if he has, darling?
15:05Oh, I don't, he, he'll, he'll regret it.
15:10I'm seeing you.
15:11That's my life then.
15:12Cameron's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
15:24Cameron, welcome to the show.
15:25So, to be fair to you, you meet this lady at the very romantic setting of the train station.
15:31She says that, um, you're the best thing that's ever happened to her.
15:35You planned the baby.
15:36Yes, you've got a past, but you wanted to come here and prove your innocence.
15:39My question to you would be, what's it like being accused by the woman you purport to love?
15:43It's not really like accusing me like that.
15:45Yes, obviously, anyone could have took it at a train, um, petrol garage.
15:49Obviously, like we say, money just don't go missing.
15:50But to put yourself forward for a lie detector, to phone the show must mean that you must feel under suspicion, yes?
15:56No, because I wanted to, like, get it out of there, obviously, because I have done stuff in the past, but...
15:59Um, for you, you want to get this done before the baby's born?
16:03No, if you should have, like, a flat as well in, like, a month and a half, then.
16:06Just get it out there, just to make sure...
16:08Did you steal, did you steal the money?
16:09No.
16:10100% I didn't.
16:11How many people in the audience think the camera nicked the money?
16:13How many people think he didn't?
16:17Whole audience think...
16:17Yeah, I like everyone.
16:18What?
16:19I like everyone.
16:20You like everyone?
16:20Yeah.
16:21We asked Cameron, did you steal the money that went missing from Katrina's purse?
16:24You said no.
16:24Why did you say no?
16:25I don't know the truth.
16:26This is your lying, pal.
16:27Oh!
16:29I like this question.
16:31I like one question.
16:32No, pass that, pass that.
16:34He doesn't like you now, does he?
16:42No, no.
16:43Can you slow down, because this girl is six months pregnant?
16:48And he turned around and said...
16:50Tell me what you just said.
16:51No, no.
16:52One question, yeah, they said to me, yeah, if you know, have I stolen someone in my family,
16:57yeah, since I've been with Kate, I said no, yeah, which I have, obviously, about that,
17:01yeah, they said...
17:02Sorry, that doesn't make sense.
17:03They know, but yeah, but what did you say?
17:04No, they said that could muck it up, yeah.
17:06So you've lied in the test?
17:07Yeah, or nothing...
17:08So you have stolen from somebody in your family?
17:10In my family, yeah.
17:11And you lied in the test?
17:12Why would you steal from your family members?
17:14I thought it was years ago.
17:15That makes you a tea leaf.
17:18Why would you do that when you've got a baby coming and a woman who loves you?
17:20In my family, yeah, it's different.
17:22It's different to steal from your family?
17:24You don't understand about my family, innit?
17:25You don't understand about my family.
17:26I understand, in fact, you've got a woman who's six months pregnant who believes you.
17:29I know he said that if it comes out like that, I can redo it and then answer just then three
17:33questions, he said it would be normal.
17:35He said I can redo that and answer these questions.
17:37Unbelievable.
17:38Unbelievable what happens, isn't it?
17:39It's very clear that you're a liar.
17:41No, not about this.
17:43I'm telling you, not about this I'm not.
17:45100%.
17:45Just about other things, yeah?
17:47Other things, yeah, I'm in there.
17:48So basically, you steal from other family members.
17:50I'm in there to the man.
17:51I'm being completely serious with you.
17:52They are told every single person that goes on a lie detector test, if you go into that
17:55test and you are lying in any way, it will make you lie.
17:57He didn't say any of that and now we're going, oh, yeah, but I lied on one question because
18:01I nicked from my family.
18:02What does that make you?
18:03A tea leaf.
18:07That's nice, isn't it?
18:10Listen, let me sit you down.
18:12Two things you need to know.
18:13I'm not your brother.
18:14You're not a gangster.
18:14I'm not your brother.
18:15You're lying in your eyes.
18:17Stay there.
18:17Come on.
18:21Come on.
18:22Come on.
18:23Come on.
18:23Come on.
18:24Come on.
18:25I mean, you're, you know, I kept saying this to you.
18:33You felt that he'd lied and he'd stolen from my point of view, and everybody is told,
18:38however much he wants to effing Jeff at me, if you go into that test and you lie, you're
18:43in trouble.
18:43He's just admitted on national television.
18:45He's just admitted on national television.
18:45He's stolen from his family members.
18:47No, I don't know why I wouldn't admit that in the test.
18:49The most important thing is that you're pregnant, and I think Graham's right.
18:52I heard him just say to you that you will get a chance to speak to him.
18:56I just want to go home.
18:56I don't know why I'm sorry.
19:00You're pregnant.
19:00You've got a baby.
19:04Want to sit and talk to him?
19:05No, not yet.
19:06You don't want to?
19:07It's absolutely your right.
19:08We will facilitate whatever.
19:09I mean, look, I don't understand.
19:13He was a sweet little boy, and when he gets cornered, now he's running out of the building
19:16saying the test's hooky and whatever.
19:17He's admitted that he's stolen from family members, and he lied in the lie detector test.
19:22That tells you everything, doesn't it?
19:23I don't know why he'd lie in there anyway, because it's not like you lot was going to come out and say anything.
19:30I was expecting him to tell the truth.
19:31The whole audience, now he's got his hands down his trousers, the whole audience, they said they believed him, as we all did.
19:41What are you going to do?
19:42I just want to go home.
19:43You don't want to sit and talk to him with Graham in a controlled environment?
19:45No, I just want to go home.
19:46Just want to go home?
19:46Yeah.
19:47Are you going to stay with him?
19:49I don't know.
19:50Up in the air at the moment?
19:51Yeah.
19:51He needs to tell the truth.
19:53He does need to tell the truth.
19:54Right, listen, we'll look after you.
19:55Thank you for coming.
19:56I'm sorry it wasn't all right.
19:57Pretty nice to meet you.
19:58Okay.
19:59We'll let you know.
20:00You know you stay there, but I'm going to go to a great grandmother.
20:02Back after this.
20:03Don't go anywhere.
20:04You were violent.
20:05You were criminal.
20:06You were drunk all the time.
20:07You're talking.
20:08Talking, yeah.
20:09You're talking to Jim.
20:11Honestly, Tara.
20:12You're stupid.
20:12You're the one that looks like him.
20:13I mean, not me.
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20:54Thank you all.
20:55Welcome back.
20:56My next guest today, Brian, is here to be reunited with his daughter, Katie, whom he has not seen
21:00since she was three years of age.
21:02He says for the last 17 years, he's not stopped thinking about his daughter and cannot wait
21:06for today.
21:07This is a big, big moment for this guy.
21:08Brian is on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
21:19Nice to see you.
21:20Are you all right?
21:21Yes, thank you.
21:22All right, you're doing all right?
21:23You look like me.
21:24Yeah.
21:25Younger.
21:28Shut up.
21:29Welcome to the show, Brian.
21:31Massive, massive day for you.
21:33Your story, we want to hear, but this is about Katie.
21:35A child, your daughter, you have not seen since the age of three.
21:41Why?
21:42Give us some background, pal.
21:44It was a relationship breakdown.
21:46While I was minding the children at night, the mother was out playing, and when I found
21:53out, I left home.
21:55You can leave home and those things can happen, but I guess the question would be, why didn't
22:00you maintain or did you try and maintain contact over the years?
22:03I tried to keep contact straight away.
22:06Right.
22:09But my partner just created too many problems, and I only saw her twice.
22:16You say that she was planned.
22:17I had a great relationship with her, and you said from the moment that I went, and it killed
22:21you.
22:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:22Has it been awful the last 17 years?
22:24What's it, I mean?
22:25Yeah, but the last 12 years I've been in a very good relationship, and it's the own relationship
22:31I've had since I split from Katie's mum.
22:34And you feel that now, with everything that's gone on, is the time for you and she to be reunited?
22:43Do you have any information about her?
22:45I mean, you haven't seen her for 17 years.
22:49No, other than I think she has a stepchild, and has a partner, and she found me.
22:57Today's about getting her back in your life.
23:00Hopefully.
23:00Do you worry about making explanations, because she's desperate.
23:05She's here to see you.
23:06She's here to have that relationship.
23:08I feel guilty, but I feel, look, the only thing I'm really guilty of was walking out
23:15on the relationship.
23:16What does Katie, what does Katie mean to you?
23:20She's my daughter, and it'll just make, you know...
23:23You are a jock.
23:25Sorry, who are you?
23:26Tara, his other daughter.
23:29Where have you been?
23:30Sorry, sorry, hold on a minute, hold on a minute, hold on a minute, hold on a minute.
23:32He's here to see Katie.
23:33Who are you?
23:34I'm his older daughter.
23:35Do you know what, Tara?
23:35If you want to know and talk civilly, I'll explain everything to you.
23:39There's no civil with you.
23:40Where have you been?
23:41It's been over 20 years.
23:42Yeah.
23:42You haven't seen her for 20 years, either.
23:44No, no.
23:46Do you have the same mother as Katie?
23:48No, a different mother, and there's other kids as well, scattered about everywhere.
23:51I haven't got other kids scattered about.
23:52Yes, you have.
23:52This girl, apparently, I've just got in touch with this show when she found out that you
23:56wanted to see Katie, to actually point out that you're the world's worst father.
23:59Yeah, nothing's been mentioned about me.
23:59It doesn't bother about any of your children.
24:00That's what she said.
24:01In actual fact.
24:02It wasn't a relationship breakdown, either with Katie's mother.
24:04It was violent, as well as my mother.
24:06I was never violent.
24:07Yes, you are.
24:07I've got a statement from Victoria, Katie's mother.
24:10My relationship with Brian ended because he was accusing me of cheating, which is completely
24:14false.
24:14In fact, it was him who was cheating when he was out fishing.
24:17There you go.
24:18He did try going through custody to see Katie, however he never attended the final hearing,
24:23as he was arrested for a drink driving twice over the legal limit.
24:26Yes, I've admitted that, yeah.
24:28I've never stopped him having a relationship with Katie.
24:30He was simply not bothered.
24:31He didn't even attend the birth of her due to him being in prison for trashing another
24:36ex's car.
24:37Correct.
24:37He has permanently been in trouble with the police.
24:40No.
24:40I don't believe he will accept Katie because of her sexuality.
24:44Brian has children all over the country who he does not bother with, so why the hell would
24:48he bother with Katie?
24:49Katie, if he loved her, why did he put my front windows through on Christmas Eve while
24:54she was a baby and she was in the house?
24:56He never sent any cards.
24:58He never paid any maintenance.
24:59I've never received any help from him.
25:01I don't even understand why it's happening now.
25:03Yeah.
25:04Nothing to say, have you?
25:06Yes, plenty.
25:06Roll that bomb.
25:07I divorced your mother on the grounds of adultery.
25:11Not at all.
25:12What about driving over the legal limit, going to prison, trashing somebody's windows?
25:16You said nothing about that.
25:17And now you've started licking your mouth because your mouth's dry.
25:19Isn't the truth that you've had kids everywhere and actually you haven't bothered with them?
25:23Isn't that the truth?
25:24No.
25:25Yeah, but it is.
25:26Come on.
25:27No.
25:27Why is she here saying that then?
25:29She was 16 months old when me and her mother split up.
25:32But you haven't seen her either.
25:34Why not?
25:34I'm 23 now.
25:35Do you want to explain that?
25:35Because her mum had been put in prison.
25:37Her mother had been put in prison.
25:37What?
25:38Her woman just goes, I don't want to see my kid go to prison.
25:40Come on, Brian.
25:40Why did she?
25:41Why did she?
25:41There's more than one girl, child, that you've done this to.
25:44The buck has to start with you, surely.
25:45I admit some responsibility.
25:48What responsibility?
25:49To her, not me.
25:50All of them.
25:51I admit all.
25:52Her mother had me...
25:53To her.
25:54I admit all.
25:55You were violent, you were criminal, you were drunk all the time.
25:58You're talking...
25:59Talking, yeah.
26:00You're talking stupid.
26:01Really?
26:01Honestly, Tara.
26:02I'm not stupid.
26:02You're the one that looks like a d***, mate, not me.
26:06You're the one that sounds like one.
26:08I sound like a d***.
26:09Say, just fetch this proof.
26:12I've been honest with this programme and said,
26:1423 years ago, I went to prison for threats to kill, which was her mother.
26:18There are people who split up.
26:19There are people who don't get to see their kids.
26:22Not many people end up going to prison for making threats to kill.
26:25Not many people, okay, have the history that you've got.
26:28But the point is, you're here going, Katie's my life.
26:31I've missed Katie.
26:32Not a mention of Tara or the other kids.
26:34If this girl contacted the show because she went, this guy isn't what you think he is
26:38at all.
26:38And you haven't answered her.
26:40I've answered her perfectly.
26:41Why haven't you been in her life?
26:42Because I might have stopped you.
26:44Why haven't I been in her life?
26:44Don't blame anybody else.
26:45It's you to blame.
26:46For the last seven years, she's been able to make her own decisions.
26:49Where the hell have you been?
26:51She lives...
26:51She lives a mile and a half away from me.
26:56Exactly.
26:57So what's your excuse?
26:58Have you done enough?
26:59What is your excuse if I run a mile and a half away?
27:00Instead of playing Where's Wally in your car, come and knock on my door and find me a
27:05mile and a half.
27:05What is that?
27:06Have you done enough?
27:07You're not.
27:07You're looking confused.
27:08You're not.
27:09You're perfectly switched on, right?
27:11Have you done enough for her?
27:13No, of course I haven't.
27:14So you would understand her anger?
27:15Because I wasn't there.
27:17I wasn't allowed to be there.
27:18So what if your starting point be?
27:19I messed up, Tara.
27:21I'm sorry.
27:21Not this defensive rubbish.
27:23That's what you need to say.
27:25I messed up.
27:27Tara, I messed up, but so did you all that.
27:29Why didn't you find the Jeremy Kyle show?
27:30You're looking for your daughters.
27:32Why did they run it to find you?
27:34That's what I'm asking.
27:36Tara, Katie did, yes.
27:38Yeah, and then she blocked me once I found out.
27:39Why didn't you?
27:40So I had to ring up myself.
27:41Why didn't you ring this show?
27:43Why didn't you try and find both of them?
27:45And rather than hiding behind what you did, come on, mate.
27:48You made mistakes.
27:49We all do.
27:50But it's been easy, hasn't it, to leave it for 20 years.
27:53You could have done more for both of them.
27:55Yes or no?
27:56No, I couldn't have done.
27:58You've been an absolute joke.
27:59You are a joke.
28:00You couldn't have done more for this girl?
28:02No, because the families wouldn't let me.
28:03Simple as that.
28:04There's nothing to do with that.
28:05I bet once I turned 16, I had a mind of my own.
28:07Why not try and find me there?
28:10Answer that question.
28:11Answer that question.
28:14Because the families scared me.
28:16Simple as that.
28:17Scared you a violent, drunk criminal, all right?
28:19Why are you annoyed by Katie?
28:22Because she wants to spoil Katie's day.
28:24That's what she wants.
28:24No.
28:24She thought she were getting a happy ending.
28:25So what is this?
28:26I'm just going to see my favourite?
28:27Yeah.
28:28No, it wasn't.
28:28All this is about.
28:29This was a show that I didn't want to come on the other day, isn't it?
28:32And she's very forgiving.
28:33You think she's delusional, but you've got to understand.
28:36You might think she's delusional, but you sort of understand that that's how she feels.
28:40Maybe watching this will give her a thing.
28:42You've got 20.
28:42She's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
28:44You're OK.
29:01Katie, I want to hear from you, nobody else.
29:03I absolutely tell you that I understand Tara's confusion and Tara's frustration, don't you?
29:09I tried to involve her, but I didn't want to step on anyone's toes.
29:13Do you understand how she feels?
29:15Exactly.
29:15I felt that way myself, but at the end of the day, I'm not being funny.
29:18He's my dad.
29:19Can you just let me take a minute?
29:20I should be allowed to have his contact number.
29:21Whether he gave you permission or not, you should have given me his contact number.
29:25I asked her not to give it you.
29:26Whether you said that.
29:27Why?
29:27Why?
29:28Why do you have to say it?
29:29Because it's easier because she would criticise you and you can't answer where you went wrong.
29:35Of course you should.
29:36I told you where I've gone wrong.
29:37Well, why are you not taking her number then?
29:38Why are you talking on your mother because she was cheating on me?
29:41You want her on me?
29:42It doesn't mean that you should leave her and it's her fault, does it?
29:45I have...
29:46That's all I'm saying.
29:49When you say I didn't want her number, to the rest of the world it appears that's easy
29:53just to sweep under the carpet.
29:55You should love this kid whether she's angry as much as you should love this kid.
30:00She has every reason to feel like this.
30:03That's all I'm saying.
30:04Go, go.
30:04Can I explain?
30:08The reason I walked out on you, Mum...
30:10Stop blaming my mum.
30:11It's you.
30:12You walked out on me.
30:13Can we move from the mother?
30:15Right, okay.
30:15Tara would have answered it perfectly and said, but Dad, you walked out on me.
30:19She's pointed out that from 16 she had her own mind.
30:22There is no doubt when you just said, I didn't want the number given to you, that this is
30:27because it's easier not to have Tara because it's awkward to face up to answering the questions.
30:32This one's not going to ask you anything, is she?
30:34No.
30:35She can ask about it if she wants.
30:36I won't tell you, but I'm just nervous.
30:38I'm sorry.
30:39No, baby, listen, I'm not having a go, but you want the perfect ending.
30:42You told us we want all the family together.
30:43You're not going to get a perfect ending with him, Katie.
30:44You're not.
30:45I didn't want...
30:45Do you understand that Tara's hacked off?
30:47I tried to involve it, do you know, but I didn't want to step on anyone's toes because
30:52obviously I'm not a bad person.
30:54So I contacted him because obviously I have got my own questions, but at the end of the day,
30:57I believe in giving people a second chance.
30:59If they want to try, then I'll try.
31:01Let's take that as a starting point for you.
31:03Just unshake your foot and listen to me for a minute because I've agreed with a lot of what you say.
31:09In history, you would appreciate that there are very, very few relationships where it's all one person.
31:15And it is not possible, after 25 years, to say, your mother was this, he was that, he wasn't this, she was, vice versa.
31:23The fact of the matter is, I do know this, Tara, whatever you say, that you would not be as passionate and as arsey as you are,
31:31unless you craved a relationship with that man.
31:33Whatever you say, and you can look me full square in the face and tell me I'm talking rubbish.
31:38I actually happen to think that you and your old man not only look very similar, but you are probably exactly the same character.
31:45And that is why there's this standoff.
31:47You wouldn't be here unless you gave a damn, darling.
31:48I've got my dad, I want my answers and that's it.
31:51That is it, I'm walking out and you're not seeing me again.
31:53No, you told me.
31:54She's worried that you'll come in and flit out again to Katie and...
31:58The reason I can't flit in, Jeremy, is because of family.
32:02You're here, would you girls forget the family?
32:05You're a 62-year-old grown man, grow up there and be their dad.
32:09This is your chance.
32:11Hold on, how many men, how many men in this position would have the ex-wives or something...
32:16They are here, hold on, of their own volition, they want to hear your side.
32:21That's a massive opening for you.
32:23So am I.
32:23They grasp it and stop slagging off the mother and say, I did this, I didn't do this right, I want to draw a line in the sand, I want to be everything, I'm your dad before it's too damn late, pal.
32:34Her as well as her.
32:35That's very beautiful.
32:36No, no, that's what she wants, Brian.
32:40Tara, you were 16 months old when I left pet.
32:44And I...
32:44And you were so planned, yeah?
32:46So if I was so planned, why walk out?
32:48Because of the affair she was having.
32:50No, no matter what she did, why walk out?
32:51That doesn't explain walking out of the kitchen.
32:53I'm going to also balance this, I'm going to balance this for him, hold on.
32:55He knew you were coming today and he still came.
32:58Yeah.
32:58Because he wants to relate.
32:59He wasn't bothered about me.
33:00Oh, of course I am.
33:01Right, come on, we're getting there, tell us I am.
33:03You can't get there, tell us I am.
33:06Right, we're getting there, tell her.
33:08Daddy, do it.
33:09Do you know what?
33:09I still have as many feelings for you.
33:12I don't know you, but I love you.
33:14Oh, can you love someone that you've not seen for over 20 years?
33:15Well, you can very well, can't you?
33:17You've been in my head all these years.
33:19I doubt that.
33:20You live a mile and a half away from me.
33:22So why not come sooner?
33:23Well, I have done.
33:24Have you seen me?
33:24I've driven past the house loads of times.
33:26Have you just said you've seen me?
33:28Lots of times.
33:29And I've never been a drinker, heavy, right?
33:32I don't take drugs, and I've never hit a woman in my life or child.
33:36Laugh.
33:37I can prove that with records.
33:38Okay.
33:39Yeah, I admitted I went to prison.
33:40Do you want your daughters in your life?
33:42Of course I do.
33:43Then stop slagging their mothers, stop making excuses,
33:45and accept that you could have done a lot more.
33:47Well, this was a reunion show to me at first.
33:50I know, mate.
33:50You know, and it's turned into a match now.
33:52No, no, it hasn't at all.
33:53It's not a match.
33:53Well, the thing is, you know what, Sarah?
33:55I understand, I am good.
33:56If you want to sit down and ask me questions civilly,
33:59I will sit down and speak to you.
34:00Now, that's the best you're getting,
34:01because this is turning now into, as Katie said to us,
34:05but, Katie, I'm sort of with Tara,
34:07not being disrespectful, Brian,
34:09and I've done enough reunions over 13 years
34:11to always say to people,
34:12don't come out here with rose-tinted spectacles
34:14and imagine it's going to be wonderful.
34:15You also have to have the courage of your convictions,
34:18privately, with my help,
34:19to ask this guy what you want to ask him.
34:21The fact of the matter is, right,
34:23you are both his daughters.
34:24The fact of the matter is,
34:26life goes on.
34:27And, yes, he's got a pass,
34:29and, yes, he's made mistakes,
34:30we've all made mistakes,
34:31but the fact that you're here
34:32and the fact that he is here
34:35says there's massive common ground on what you do.
34:37When I was told Jeremy
34:38that they were both coming,
34:41I still came, Sarah.
34:43Sarah, I'm not afraid of you
34:45and you don't have your family anymore.
34:46Sarah, drop the attitude, love.
34:47You wouldn't be here unless you wanted a...
34:50I don't, I don't.
34:51You don't want a relationship with him at all?
34:53My dad, I just wanted the answers to everything.
34:55What answers do you want?
34:56I don't believe it.
34:57Neither do I.
34:57Well said, Katie,
34:58I don't believe it for a moment.
35:00You've told me.
35:01There's so much happened.
35:02Told you what?
35:03She wants a relationship.
35:04She helped me.
35:05How many years ago?
35:07A few, literally a few.
35:10Tara,
35:11listen,
35:12I've spent 13 years with that front.
35:16That front is BS.
35:17Hold on one second,
35:18look at me.
35:19Just do me one favour.
35:20Just one favour.
35:21Me.
35:23Away from this.
35:24Just sit with us.
35:25Just sit with Graham.
35:26Just ask those questions in private.
35:29Get those answers and do one
35:31and spend 20 minutes
35:32and you'll be able to look back and go,
35:33it didn't matter.
35:34Because I,
35:35I understand you.
35:37I get you.
35:39But it needs scraping away a bit, love.
35:41Because the truth
35:42is further down.
35:44And that's right for you
35:45to stick to what you say.
35:47Katie,
35:48the same, really.
35:49Of course.
35:50Let's see if we can find
35:51some common ground.
35:52If we can't,
35:53fair enough.
35:54But if we can,
35:56that's a good thing, isn't it?
35:56I was really excited
35:57to come in here
35:58and see you as well today.
36:01I did try.
36:02I did try.
36:03I told you.
36:04I thought you had the right to know.
36:05The last time you spoke to me,
36:06you called me a ****.
36:07Why are you excited?
36:10Huh?
36:10Because I was younger.
36:11Tara.
36:12I made mistakes.
36:12Tara.
36:13And I'm sorry.
36:14Tara.
36:15I get you more than anybody
36:16on this stage.
36:17But listen to me.
36:19Trust an old man.
36:20Go into that room
36:20and have the conversation.
36:22Drop the ass tube
36:23for 20 minutes
36:23and see what happens.
36:24And if you've still got it,
36:25get in the car, go.
36:26Nothing to lose.
36:27Yes?
36:27Will you do that?
36:28Yeah?
36:29Will you do that?
36:30Will you do that with them?
36:31We'll ask the two of you
36:32to go that way.
36:33Thank you very much indeed.
36:35Thank you very much indeed.
36:37That's what we do.
36:38We'll give them some help.
36:39We'll let you know.
36:40We'll update you.
36:40And after the break,
36:41much more from the Jeremy Carr Show.
36:42We're right back.
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36:43I was adopted 18 months.
36:47I had come from
36:49quite a rough background.
36:51They talked about
36:52potentially having a sister.
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36:54I've always known.
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37:42Welcome back.
37:43My next guest today,
37:44Andrew, is here for DNA results
37:45to find out if Vary,
37:46a girl he met while still at school,
37:48is in fact his biological sister.
37:50Now, Andrew was adopted at an early age
37:52and as he got older,
37:53he learned that he had a sister,
37:54someone he was always really desperate to find.
37:56Now, after a chance meeting many years ago,
37:58he and Vary stayed in touch.
37:59However, as they were unsure of the truth,
38:01they never really bothered to bond as brother and sister.
38:03They've had no contact for five years,
38:05but he and she have decided that today is the day
38:07they'll find out the truth.
38:09You've got to feel for people like this.
38:10There are reasons,
38:11so many reasons behind this story,
38:13but this guy and this girl
38:15will today find out via DNA.
38:17Are they siblings?
38:18Are they full brother and sister?
38:19Andrew is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
38:21I really appreciate you coming on.
38:29Tricky story,
38:30really appreciate you being here.
38:31Andrew, 25,
38:33Vary, potentially your biological sister, 22.
38:37Let's hear your story.
38:39And I know this is important to you,
38:41I can tell about your face.
38:42Adopted at a young age,
38:43what age?
38:44So I was adopted 18 months.
38:49I had come from quite a rough background
38:52and from this rough background,
38:57there was a lot that obviously took place.
38:59We're not,
39:00and I have to say this now,
39:01that we're not able to involve
39:05your potential mum and dad
39:07for reasons that we can't go into.
39:09That's all we can say.
39:10And I know that that makes it difficult,
39:11but we've got to be factual, right?
39:13Yes, yeah.
39:14What was your childhood like?
39:16So that first 18 months was quite tragic.
39:22It was,
39:24I was in and out of care.
39:27I was moved from pillar to post.
39:31And then I was actually finally adopted
39:35by some really, really fantastic, loving people.
39:39And from, you know,
39:40this is where I am today.
39:42So it's absolutely fantastic.
39:44Why now?
39:45Because interestingly,
39:46when we do a reunion,
39:48we do a DNA test,
39:49usually you wouldn't have seen Vary at all.
39:52But five years ago,
39:53you've had no contact for five years,
39:55but before that,
39:56you found each other.
39:57How did that come to be?
39:58So we,
40:00when we was about,
40:02it was about seven,
40:04and we'd met up for the first time,
40:07our adoptive mum,
40:09mums,
40:10actually decided that maybe it's a good idea,
40:14maybe if they meet,
40:15just to see,
40:16you know,
40:17but we weren't,
40:18the drip fed us information.
40:20But we didn't know fully
40:22that we were brother and sister.
40:24Did you get on?
40:25We did.
40:26We,
40:27you know,
40:27we have a,
40:28we have a sort of similar personality.
40:31There she is.
40:34Must be weird after all that time
40:36to come,
40:38you can tell by your face
40:39what this means,
40:39right?
40:41For both of you,
40:42for both of you from where you've come,
40:45and to have no roots,
40:48this is massively important.
40:50Is today,
40:51thanks Will,
40:52have you put today off,
40:54because,
40:55I mean,
40:55be honest with me,
40:56why has it taken,
40:57if you've known this girl for a while,
40:59why has it taken until you're 25
41:01and she's 22?
41:03Um,
41:04I think
41:05a lot of it was,
41:07um,
41:08I,
41:09I was scared.
41:10Um,
41:11you're doing great,
41:14by the way.
41:14You really are.
41:15I was,
41:16I was scared to actually think,
41:19you know,
41:20from what I've gone through
41:21and what she's gone through,
41:23um,
41:23I mean,
41:25we met,
41:25when we met up,
41:26I mean,
41:27it was funny,
41:27because she turned up,
41:28when I was,
41:29when I was 12 years old,
41:30I'd just turned 12,
41:31well,
41:3213 going into high school,
41:33and,
41:34one of her friends,
41:36um,
41:37that she went to high school with,
41:38and I went to primary school with,
41:40had said to her,
41:41oh,
41:41you look like somebody who,
41:43you know,
41:43I know,
41:44and,
41:45she was like,
41:46oh,
41:46I know,
41:46I know where he lives,
41:47let's go and see him,
41:48and I just remember she turned,
41:51there was this girl,
41:52and there was Vary,
41:54and she turned up on my doorstep,
41:57and she was like,
41:58oh,
41:58hello,
41:58I'm,
41:59I'm whoever,
42:00and I'm Vary,
42:01and I was like,
42:02and she was like,
42:03I might be a sister,
42:04and I was just like,
42:05mum,
42:05there's a random stranger at my door,
42:07claim it,
42:07she's my sister.
42:08Um,
42:09and,
42:10For you guys,
42:10you know,
42:11you can see it,
42:12we've talked to you before the show,
42:13and,
42:14and it's pretty obvious,
42:15the team are saying that,
42:16you've both not really had anything real,
42:19you've had adopted parents who were great to you,
42:21but,
42:22the sense of belonging,
42:23the sense of knowing roots,
42:25whatever,
42:25however you want to describe it,
42:26that's why today is so important,
42:29because you're desperate to know,
42:30if there's something tangible that you've got.
42:32Today's really important,
42:33I mean,
42:33it's,
42:34we want that loving relationship,
42:36and I want these results to be able to come out as,
42:41you know,
42:41full brother and sister,
42:43and we can be.
42:43I guess you want to sit around the table at Christmas,
42:45and talk about,
42:46just shared experiences,
42:47and be able to pin,
42:48you know,
42:49your backgrounds to each other,
42:50and move from that.
42:51You are,
42:51listen,
42:52respect to you for being here,
42:53I mean that,
42:54I really do.
42:55Um,
42:55yeah,
42:56no.
42:56Um,
42:57let's,
42:58um,
42:59so she's three years younger,
43:03your potential biological sister.
43:05Var is on the Jeremy Kyle show,
43:06what I'm trying that way.
43:20Var,
43:20welcome.
43:20I say it every day on this show,
43:22people scream and shout,
43:23and seem to not care about their relationships,
43:26or their kids,
43:27but the truth is that your story is so relevant,
43:30because there are many,
43:31many kids across the world,
43:33who don't know who their parents are,
43:35who don't know whether they're related,
43:37who,
43:37you know,
43:37are floating out there.
43:38This is massive for you as well today.
43:41Yeah.
43:42I'm nervous on you,
43:42are you all right?
43:43I'm all right.
43:45I was more nervous about what he was feeling.
43:49Why have you not seen each other for five years?
43:51Um,
43:51we reached,
43:53I think there was a huge elephant in the room,
43:55we didn't want to talk about it,
43:57we,
43:57not that we didn't want to talk about it,
43:59we didn't know how to bring it up.
44:00Yeah,
44:00we didn't know,
44:01where do you start after?
44:03After five years,
44:03where do you start by coming and saying,
44:05I'm your sister?
44:06I tried it,
44:06turning up on his doorstep,
44:08and his reaction.
44:09We,
44:09we,
44:09we heard about Andrew saying that from a young age,
44:13and he had an adoptive family who were very honest,
44:15and,
44:15and,
44:16and,
44:16you know,
44:16they talked about potentially having a sister.
44:18Was it the same for you?
44:20I've always known,
44:21my adoptive mum has been,
44:25I've always known there's been a chance,
44:26I've got a brother,
44:27and,
44:27and more siblings,
44:29um,
44:29Did you have a good upbringing though,
44:32in terms of the,
44:32the adoption?
44:33My mum was brilliant,
44:33and she's always been really supportive,
44:35and,
44:36she's been fantastic about,
44:37all of it,
44:38and,
44:38I'm going to repeat,
44:39with you being here,
44:40and we said it already,
44:40but it's important,
44:41um,
44:42we're not able,
44:43and have not been able to include,
44:45your mum and dad,
44:46for reasons that we can't go into,
44:49but for you,
44:50you want to know whether he is a full sibling,
44:53a half sibling,
44:54for him,
44:55or nothing,
44:55I don't know,
44:56but for him,
44:57it's,
44:58and you,
44:58it's just to put,
45:00some,
45:01some understanding down,
45:02right?
45:03Yeah,
45:03it's a huge deal.
45:04What would it mean,
45:04if you were related?
45:06The world.
45:07It would mean everything to me.
45:08The absolute world.
45:08If we're half brother and sister,
45:10he's still my family,
45:11he's still coming around for Christmas,
45:12then he's still,
45:13I want to say,
45:15um,
45:15I just want to say,
45:17I want to say,
45:19for people watching at home,
45:20and in the audience,
45:21you know,
45:21DNA is a science,
45:22and,
45:23and it is patently more difficult,
45:26right,
45:27to do this process scientifically,
45:31if you don't have the DNA of the birth parents,
45:33okay?
45:34Yeah.
45:34Yeah.
45:35But it's also very possible to get a positive result,
45:38between the two of you,
45:39so that's a massively important thing.
45:41Okay.
45:41What does this mean?
45:44That's just everything.
45:45You okay?
45:53The DNA test results for Andrew and Vary,
45:56I'm not going to dress this up,
45:57it's inconclusive.
46:01Now,
46:02let me explain why that is.
46:03Without your parents' DNA,
46:05the situations that you know about,
46:08they can't get a strong enough reading.
46:10That does not mean,
46:12that does not mean that you are not related,
46:14it does not sadly mean that you are related.
46:17What it means is that scientifically,
46:18the laboratory couldn't get a strong enough reading,
46:22to give you the answer,
46:23but the one thing,
46:24whatever people think about the car show,
46:25is we have to be absolutely straight and tell you.
46:27Now,
46:27listen.
46:31If I,
46:31if I,
46:33if I did this test another hundred times,
46:36you would get inconclusive.
46:37What we need,
46:38look at me,
46:39because this is important.
46:40What we need is,
46:42and I don't know whether it's ever going to be possible,
46:43further down the line,
46:44we need a stronger bloodline,
46:47if you want.
46:47It might,
46:48as I say,
46:48be possible one day for your parents to be involved.
46:50I don't know.
46:51It might be that watching this,
46:54there might be people,
46:56you know,
46:57related,
46:57who could come forward,
46:58and give us the DNA swab that we need.
47:01But one thing that I do want to say to you,
47:02because I can just see,
47:04what this means,
47:05anybody with a brain cell would see what it means.
47:07We will work.
47:08I've said this before,
47:08and people go,
47:09really?
47:09And a month,
47:10a week,
47:10a day,
47:11a year later,
47:12we manage to do it.
47:13We will find somebody,
47:14I promise you,
47:15we will work with you,
47:16and we will get you.
47:16But the truth of the matter is,
47:18sibling DNA right now,
47:20that's the best we can give.
47:21But I,
47:21I would say,
47:23that there is a very good reason to try and do even more,
47:25and see if we can go further.
47:27Is that okay?
47:29Devastating,
47:29right?
47:30I'll do it.
47:30I'll get in touch with her.
47:31I'll do it.
47:32What?
47:32I'll do it.
47:33I'll get in touch with her.
47:34I'll do it.
47:35I'll get in touch with her.
47:36Are you going to get in touch with her?
47:37I'll do it.
47:39Because we need a mother.
47:40You get in touch with your mother.
47:42This show will give you whatever,
47:43and we will get the swab,
47:44and we will do it,
47:45I guarantee.
47:46Yes?
47:47Very well.
47:48I'm sorry for now,
47:50but let's see if it's work in progress.
47:53If you,
47:53if you can get that,
47:56we'll get the DNA,
47:57and we will bring you straight back,
47:58I promise you.
47:58Is that all right?
47:59I'm sorry for now,
48:00though.
48:00Give them a round of applause.
48:01Thank you very much indeed.
48:02Thanks, guys.
48:03You're going to have it.
48:03Not the answer they wanted right now,
48:08but the guarantee is that
48:09if she can get what she said she will get,
48:11we will work,
48:12we will bring them back,
48:13we'll do that swab,
48:13we'll get the answers I am
48:14for this morning out of time.
48:15Don't forget,
48:15if you want to be on my show,
48:16you need my help,
48:17visit our website.
48:17The details are on screen.
48:19To the guests,
48:19to the audience,
48:20and to you for watching at home,
48:20you know who you are.
48:21I'll see you soon.
48:22Take care.
48:22Bye-bye for now.
48:22Bye-bye for now.
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