In today's episode of Billboard Unfiltered, Billboard staffers Carl Lamarre, Trevor Anderson, and Kyle Denis give their thoughts on Lil Wayne's latest drop and debate on if he is on their list of the top 5 rappers all time. Moderated by Billboard’s Delissa Shannon, each hip-hop expert gives their hot take on the album, his legacy and more.
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00:00What is up, y'all? This is Billboard Unfiltered, where we debate hot-button topics, and whoever wins gets to give their unfiltered take.
00:08Now, I am Delisa Shannon, your host for today, short-form content director here at Billboard.
00:13For our panelists, we've got Mr. Carl Lamar, senior director of R&B and hip-hop here at Billboard.
00:21We've got the Trevor Anderson, senior charts and data analyst for R&B and hip-hop, and the GOAT, Kyle Dennis, staff writer.
00:30All right, y'all, let's go.
00:31Wait, what's this, like, this initial bias?
00:33No, I just, I mean.
00:35The one that we all had in the book was crazy.
00:39I mean, I can't even give my dude, like, props.
00:41The Trevor, GOAT Kyle.
00:43I said Mr. Carl Lamar.
00:46You got an actual title.
00:48There was levels to it, though.
00:49The Trevor Anderson.
00:51I agree.
00:52Listen, y'all.
00:52And GOAT.
00:53Listen, listen, listen.
00:54This is no preferential treatment.
00:56Don't let them get into the ears.
00:58Y'all already see where we go in here.
01:00In case who wins.
01:01There's no preferential treatment.
01:02In case who wins.
01:03I treat all my boys the same, okay?
01:05I don't discriminate.
01:07All right?
01:07Are we good to get into the topic for today?
01:09We're really not good, but I'll let it.
01:10I was about to hit my buzzer.
01:12I'm a hater.
01:13Hater.
01:14Listen, Kyle.
01:15Don't let them knock you.
01:16Don't let them get you off your rocker.
01:17They could never knock me.
01:18Okay?
01:19What?
01:20Don't let it.
01:21Don't even start.
01:21So let's get into the topic.
01:23So today, we are going to discuss Lil Wayne's new album, The Carter Six.
01:28The album has received mixed reviews.
01:31I want to know what are your thoughts.
01:32Do we think Lil Wayne is still in the list of the top five best rappers of all time?
01:36Carl, we're going to start with your opening statement, 90 seconds, and you start now.
01:44So, Wheezy F, baby, I am very conflicted with this.
01:48He is in my personal top five.
01:52I think his longevity, and I wrote about this last week, is very reminiscent of Kobe Bryant.
01:57They both came, started very young.
02:00Wayne dropped his debut album, I want to say, at 17.
02:03Kobe got drafted 17, 18.
02:06What they were able to do for their respective arenas is transcended.
02:10Now going into the Carter Six.
02:12I need to fire whoever was A&R and executive producing my brother Wayne's album, because this is easily the worst in the entire series.
02:25Two and three, obviously, classics.
02:28But then it kind of went downhill for me.
02:30Four was solid.
02:30Five was meh.
02:32Shout out to Upro that saved it.
02:34And Kendrick Lamar as well on Mona Lisa.
02:35But six, it was just a full train wreck.
02:38Now, when it comes to his overall legacy, I will argue, like I said, he's in my personal five.
02:44If you look at his bodies of work, they're not top ten material.
02:50When you take out the mixtapes and look at pure albums, from four, I'm going to even say from what, one, five, and six, on the Carter's mid.
03:02Everything else is kind of mid to me.
03:04I ain't going to lie.
03:04But Mick Sabweezy elevates it.
03:07His features elevate it.
03:08So, for me, he's in my personal five.
03:10But overall, he might be looking eight to ten-ish.
03:15Okay.
03:16Kyle, I'm going to have you go next.
03:18Take it away.
03:19You know, Carter Six.
03:21I think Carl said it all really was a train wreck.
03:23It's just not a good album at all.
03:27I think that was emphasized by him having to drop this Nicki Minaj remix halfway through the tracking week to get something going because Mick's was very, very kind.
03:35I think the reception that I saw online was pretty much all negative, to be completely honest.
03:39Wayne's always been in my top five.
03:41I think, personally, he's starting to slip out of there, not solely because of the material on this album, but more so because of the context in which this album arrived.
03:50He spent, you know, the last year kind of, like, begging for sympathy about him not getting the Super Bowl slot and how he deserved that and da-da-da-da-da.
03:57This was the time to drop a fire album, get one or two hits off of that, and make your actual case for a Super Bowl headlining show next year.
04:06That's completely shot now because it's ass.
04:10Like, the album is not good, and it's like people were rooting for you.
04:14Like, they were ready to, like, rally around you because they were trying to do that when Kendrick was first announced, and you just did not rise to the occasion the way that you have been able to do in the past and that we know that you're capable of doing.
04:26I think, you know, it's always been his mixtapes and his features that have always been what's elevated him into my top five overall, like, a general point for him.
04:37He's probably in the bottom half of my top ten, like, generally overall now, if I wasn't doing any bias or favoritism, but I'm disappointed in Wayne.
04:46All right.
04:48Lastly, we have for our opening statements, we've got you, Trevor.
04:53Go ahead and take it away.
04:54First of all, I was going to say, I don't get robbed of that one second.
04:58Look, when it comes to Carter VI, I mean, I'm not going to be that hard on it.
05:04I do think, you know, clearly it's the weakest entry in the canon, and especially the fact that it was so rushed.
05:11It felt like it really needed, you know, you really thought it was going to be a moment because everything from the show at the Garden to the actual release,
05:17it all felt very, like, okay, like, it's coming in two weeks and this is all going to happen.
05:22We didn't even know for sure if he was going to drop it until that actual moment.
05:25So for you to create this moment, you know, that sort of added thin air and everybody was excited and celebrated and everything like Kyle was saying about the Super Bowl,
05:32you know, it didn't stick the landing for me.
05:34I think the first third or so, I actually liked pretty much the first six or so tracks on it, and then it kind of started to get a little, you know, extra bogged.
05:42But I think with particular when it comes to, you know, the question about is Wayne still top five, top ten,
05:48I don't know if this album really messes that up because I think when people sit there and talk about their criteria for that,
05:54it's nobody judges everybody's full body of work.
05:58Norse Father, you know, what, yay, yay, yay, what, you know, people always think of those first five, six albums and everything after that can be trash,
06:06but people will always say, but he had that five album run and you can't touch that.
06:10Jay's classics are always, you know, Jay's classics.
06:13So to judge Wayne by the best of his catalog, which is the same thing that everybody else gets, I think this doesn't mess his position up.
06:19It does weaken the Carter series overall and it kind of on its average takes him down,
06:23but I don't think it messes up the legacy peg at all.
06:26All right, opening statements.
06:28Now, Carl, you've got something brewing, and I want to know what that is because you always got something to say.
06:35So what's brewing right there?
06:38My fingers were tingling.
06:39Why's his hands twitching?
06:40My fingers were tingling because I was detecting the bullshit.
06:43Oh.
06:43Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was from both sides.
06:45Oh, let's hear it.
06:46Let's hear it.
06:47I will start with Mr. Kyle Dennis.
06:49Go ahead.
06:50What's up?
06:51You did say on Friday that the album was okay.
06:56I said that about the Carter 5.
06:59Okay.
06:59Someone sent a tweet into the Slack saying, oh, y'all were surprised that the Carter 6 is bad.
07:03My Carter 5 wasn't bad also.
07:05And I was like, wait, I actually kind of liked the Carter 5.
07:07That's what I said.
07:08Okay.
07:08I said.
07:09Because I had to say.
07:10Because both of y'all didn't read the tweet that I was replying.
07:12No, because the context clues wasn't cluing.
07:15You see, I'm not alone.
07:16I mean, context clues.
07:17I'm not alone.
07:17Click the link and open up in between the receipts.
07:20But I will let him look for that in the meantime.
07:23Now, Mr. Trevor Anderson, my brother, you brought up Mr. Yeye.
07:28I hate that name, by the way.
07:30But Kanye.
07:31You said it really easily, though.
07:32I just.
07:34Kanye could get away with it.
07:35Because five, six, game-changing classics versus Wayne, who potentially has two classic albums.
07:43The numbers, to me, kind of skews differently in terms of, I don't have my glasses.
07:48I can't help you out.
07:48Let's say five.
07:49But.
07:50You need that.
07:50Okay.
07:51Let me help you out.
07:53What do you say?
07:53But if you ask me, you know, six is bigger than two.
07:58And then when you talk about Mr. Sean Carter, I could rattle off.
08:01But you're talking Blueprint.
08:02You're talking Black Album.
08:03You're talking Reasonable Doubt.
08:04That's already three.
08:06And I'm not even counting freaking Watch the Throne and 444.
08:11That's five.
08:13Wayne.
08:15His.
08:15The love and affinity for Wayne basically comes from his freestyles and his mixtapes.
08:20Does that not count?
08:21Does that not count in a go conversation?
08:22I know it does, but I also feel like in order to be considered, especially as a solo lead
08:27artist, you got to have at least three classics to me to be in the top ten.
08:32And do you believe he does not?
08:35I gave you two.
08:36He says two.
08:37Oh.
08:37Two and three.
08:38And I debate about three.
08:40I think three is kind of like blown out of proportion, mainly because of the mainstream
08:45success.
08:46But if you're talking about full rap, it's easily two.
08:49It's easily two.
08:50I'm talking about Carter two.
08:52Something that you're saying is interesting because you're saying like you mentioned
08:56Yay and you mentioned Jay.
08:58We're talking about their classics and how those albums change the course of how we move
09:03and how hip hop moved.
09:04Right.
09:05Those freestyles and mixtapes that you're talking about that that did also do the same thing.
09:10Absolutely.
09:10So it kind of is like, to me, I understand what you're saying, but the logic is still
09:19that Wayne has done that.
09:20It just hasn't looked the same, but it still has.
09:23Because you can't deny that what his contributions to the form of hip hop have changed it.
09:29Absolutely.
09:29So I just want to make that point there.
09:33Absolutely.
09:33But I'm talking just from a solo album, being a solo album purist.
09:38He's not there for me.
09:39You can't curate great albums.
09:41And that's kind of sense.
09:42And that's a problem.
09:43But his overall body of work.
09:45That's like saying like if you're a basketball player, if you got a lot of basketball analogies.
09:49And y'all going to feel me on this.
09:50They be working though.
09:51I ain't going to lie.
09:52If you got a fire jump shot, you know what I'm saying, but your handle is kind of trash,
09:58you know, the jump shot may be able to balance out that you got a shitty handle.
10:02You know, not everybody could be the perfect player a la Jay.
10:07You know what I'm saying?
10:07I think Wayne, his mixtapes again, and his freestyles catapulted and bolted him to a certain
10:13level of success.
10:14And because of his prolific output, that's another thing that was able to increase.
10:18So Wayne, again, personal top five for me.
10:22But when we talk about crafting albums, solo albums, he is not in that time.
10:28That's an interesting conversation.
10:30Now I can ask you something.
10:31Yeah.
10:32People always kind of use the Carter series as like the greatest hip hop album series of
10:36all time.
10:37Do you still think it has that title after this one?
10:39No.
10:40Did you think it had it before?
10:41I never had it.
10:41I don't think you think it had it before.
10:42What do you think has that title?
10:43I will go with Kanye's college series.
10:50Oh, okay.
10:51We count that as a series?
10:52Interesting.
10:53I think I think I'll drop out late registration, graduation.
10:56And that's part of the five albums.
10:57Yeah.
10:58Yeah.
10:58That three album run.
11:00Conceptually.
11:01Probably.
11:01Yeah.
11:01I think it's the greatest.
11:02Yeah.
11:02Yeah.
11:04That's fair.
11:05Yeah.
11:06So we're talking about, is this a good album?
11:10And now I think everyone up here has come to a resounding no, right?
11:15I'm not going to say it's resoundingly bad.
11:21I'm going to say it's resoundingly bad.
11:23I think the production is what made it resoundingly bad.
11:26Nah, some of them bars was ass.
11:27Some of the bars were a little.
11:29Some of the bars was a little like, nigga, what?
11:30I so tired, like when I didn't want ding ding though.
11:32I was like, come on, wait.
11:34Like, it was elementary in the worst way.
11:36Like, and I don't, I don't think the beats pushed him to do any better, but do you think
11:41if he had better production that he, the lyricism would have showed up?
11:47Maybe in a perfect world.
11:49Yes.
11:49But like, I'm not sure.
11:51Genuinely.
11:51Like, I don't know because the creative conception of this, I was very confused at how I loved
11:57his feature run going into this album.
11:59Like the past year was a great feature run.
12:01And then the album came and it felt like none of that fire was on the actual record.
12:06And I'm not sure if that was solely a production issue.
12:09Like Trevor said, this whole thing just kind of feels rushed.
12:12Like it didn't really feel like, also I don't really get why it is a Carter Six album, to
12:17be completely honest.
12:18Like outside of it just being, I'm going to add to this series, I don't really see how
12:22it built on what we've gotten from past Carter albums and those narratives either.
12:27So I don't know.
12:29It didn't really feel like, it kind of fell phoned in.
12:31I'll say that across the board.
12:32I will go far enough to say, I think maybe, and he doesn't even think like this, but from
12:39a marketing standpoint, it's an easy scapegoat.
12:41That's what I'm, yeah, that's what I agree.
12:43To put a Carter tag.
12:44Exactly.
12:44Because you're going to get a top three, top two entry.
12:46I mean, it's projection.
12:47Because this album could have been titled anything to me.
12:49Like it didn't need to be a Carter Six album.
12:52The anticipation you get with throwing that tag.
12:54So what makes a-
12:55But the watering down is just like, if the front, like is the front payoff really worth
13:00like what it's going to go down as in the series?
13:03Like, no.
13:04What makes an installation in this series then?
13:07What is that criteria that y'all are looking for when it comes to an album?
13:10At least builds on the semi-autobiographical narrative that we get from the first Carter
13:15album to see like how his life progresses, what happens in the music here.
13:20I wouldn't really getting much insight into like Wayne the person on this album.
13:24It was kind of just Wayne putting out records that Wayne would put out.
13:28Like I didn't really, I didn't really get any kind of insight into how his life has shifted
13:33in the past couple of years, his relationship with his kids, maybe like his baby mama's, his
13:37own, like his own parents, like the kind of little pockets and nuggets of Dwayne Carter
13:42that we got on the actual great Carter series albums.
13:46I wasn't picking up on Carter Six, at least on the first two listens.
13:50Hence why I, I, I, I'm adamant about saying his discography is not as strong as people think.
13:56Albums discography.
13:57Albums.
13:58Yeah.
13:59I'm going to say too, the, you know, I mean, I'm always, I know I'm going to sound hypocritical
14:04when I say this because I know everybody should get their chance to, you know, explore and
14:07do whatever, but there also, it was some of the, some of the, the lanes that he went
14:12in.
14:12I didn't, I didn't quite get, you know, I know the country thing obviously is very in
14:15right now, but the song with jelly roll and Sean was, it just felt very trying to jump
14:21in this thing that that's hot right now.
14:22And to me, the ingredients just did not match.
14:25Um, there's another song, you know, it's kind of sounds like, like trying to like sort of
14:29like a gunna thug.
14:30Um, I forget the, I forget which name of the song it is, but like, it's a gunna thug song
14:33that kind of sounds like he's trying to, you know, flip his flow into them.
14:37Like there's just a couple of trend chasing and out of place records that to me just felt
14:41like, you know, we got to tap into a little bit of some of the zeitgeist and put it in.
14:45And I don't think, you know, for someone who's done as much as Wayne and who is, you know,
14:50as, as singular and we know like what Wayne is and what he describes, I don't think
14:55Wayne has to be trend chasing at this stage in his career, especially on something that is
14:59as autobiographical and, you know, in theory is monumental as Carter six.
15:03So especially some of those records when it's like, we ain't got to go for the 2025s, like
15:08all the time, you know, you just what you do.
15:10I honestly like some of the songs that in the top that sounded more like old school, like
15:13soul sample gospel flips.
15:15That to me, like when the first couple of tracks came through, that's what I was like, okay,
15:18like this, I'm excited for this.
15:20And there were a couple of towards the end that did that same thing.
15:22But I mean, really for me, like, that's what always took me out is like trying to hear
15:26some 2025 A&R here and, you know, oh, let's see what Wayne sounds like on this beat.
15:31We could have left that one on the cutting room.
15:33I don't know why I want to hear Jelly Roll.
15:34Album Blow is real.
15:35Don't do that to, don't do that to, brother, Jell.
15:37A waste of space on the album.
15:38I will say, shout out to Big X to plug.
15:40I think hip hop is probably the best record on the project.
15:45Yeah.
15:46It was Big X, who else was on that one?
15:47It was, um.
15:48It was some, some, somebody.
15:50Yeah, it was somebody.
15:52It was somebody.
15:52Jay Jones.
15:53I think I did like Band for Menno even before the remix, which, you know, actually, shout
15:57out to Nicki.
15:57That's a really fire verse.
15:59John's fresh on that one.
16:00I liked it.
16:00But I did like Band for Menno solo as well.
16:03I think that was my favorite one.
16:04And to that point, I will, again, I'm not putting this on Wayne.
16:08I'm going to put this on whoever was A&R and executive producing.
16:12There's no reason why there is, we have to wait for a remix to come out.
16:16That record should have been on the project.
16:18There's no reason why there's not a Drake feature on that project.
16:21I think there was a reason why they held the Nicki remix for the midweek.
16:24I think they were waiting for the numbers to come in.
16:27And that's what I'm saying.
16:27They know the Barbas are going to fly in.
16:29It's a marketing game.
16:30They know the Barbas are going to fly in.
16:31They wanted to see if they could.
16:32But you don't think they were going to fly in if she had been on it from jump?
16:35I think they wanted to know that, wanted to see if he could do it without it.
16:39And then maybe he's tracking for number two or number three.
16:41And they're like, oh, maybe it's close.
16:43And we just need a couple thousand push us over.
16:45The Barbas can handle that in the next three days.
16:47And this is why I don't even want to hear any more Wayne raps if that's the case.
16:54Now, Wayne didn't care about numbers before.
16:57He cared about bars.
16:59He cared about raps.
17:01He cared for the love of the game.
17:02Now you're telling me, look at his daughter.
17:03We got to be, what must I say?
17:06Glamatic?
17:06Like, you know what I'm saying?
17:08We got to run schemes in order to ensure top three and top two.
17:11I mean, look at the children that he raised in this rap game.
17:13This can't be that surprising.
17:15So, another thing that we do need to press on is, I've heard two things today.
17:22Three things today.
17:23One is, he's slipping out of my top five.
17:26He's going to stay in my top five.
17:28And he will always be in the top five.
17:31I'm hearing those different ideas.
17:34Now, I want to get back to this basketball analogy.
17:36Because I think that is probably good when we're talking about this top five,
17:40Mount Rushmore kind of vibe.
17:41Do y'all still, for those of us who think that he's slipping,
17:48is that really what you think?
17:50Or is it, are you just, is this the recency bias from listening to this album
17:53being like, shit, like, where is Wayne?
17:58Y'all want me to go first?
18:00Go for it.
18:00Go ahead.
18:01And you better have the right answer, too.
18:03No, no, no, because I'm going to get, going back to, you know,
18:06the basketball comparisons.
18:08When I look at Wayne, I said Kobe, right?
18:12And, you know, there was some slippage in Kobe's final years because of injuries.
18:18Kobe knew when to tap out and say, hey, you know, I think maybe,
18:25I'm not going that far, but I think after this album,
18:28Wayne has to sit with himself and say, okay,
18:31something did not click this time around.
18:33What did I do?
18:34Where did I fuck up?
18:35Accountability needs to be made.
18:37To your point, from a feature side, like, I love what he did with Cordae
18:40on a Saturday morning joint.
18:42Yeah, yeah.
18:43The big dog's record was tough, too.
18:45It's easy to crap a 16 or a 32 when it's somebody else's.
18:50Now, when it's yours, that's when the pressure comes in.
18:53Then you add additional pressure by throwing the Carter name onto it.
18:57So, to answer your question, when it comes to, again, the solo material,
19:04the last 10 years, to me, there has been significant slippage to why.
19:10Last 10 years, you're bold.
19:11Again, I love Allen Iverson, right?
19:13But the last five to seven years of Allen Iverson's career was pretty shaky.
19:19You know what I'm saying?
19:19But I still loved him because of what he did and how he changed the game.
19:23That's the same thing with Wayne.
19:24But I could still acknowledge their peeing some kind of slippage.
19:28So, regroup is necessary.
19:30Yeah, absolutely.
19:31Anybody else?
19:32In order to keep that legacy.
19:34Yeah, I agree with Carl.
19:35I mean, he has two studio albums this decade, and I don't like either of them, really.
19:40I don't like Funeral, and I don't like Carter Six.
19:42You don't like Funeral?
19:43No, I do not like Funeral.
19:44You know what song from Funeral?
19:45I thought it was okay.
19:45Yeah, what's your favorite song from Funeral?
19:47That's fair.
19:48That's fair.
19:48That's fair.
19:49Moving on.
19:51I ain't being that nigga.
19:52I have it right.
19:52You're right.
19:52You're right.
19:53I'm the fan, man.
19:54You're just there.
19:54I'm the fan, man.
19:55I mean, it was...
19:56Kyle, you stay quick with that.
19:58I just...
19:59Because, come on, Funeral?
19:59I thought it was...
20:00Maybe I was too nice.
20:02I don't think we can even remember what Funeral sounded like.
20:04Like, come on.
20:05I think I got one.
20:06Upro, that was 20.
20:07That was a quarter five.
20:08That was a quarter five.
20:0918.
20:09That was a quarter five.
20:11How did you go?
20:12You thought that was out.
20:13You're doing a...
20:14Yeah, no.
20:155, 4, 3, 2, 1, go.
20:18Funeral, Carter Sixx, not one of them, so I do think this decade, he's got to recalibrate.
20:27But I also do think that's true of all three of the Young Money Big Dogs.
20:30I think they just need some time to recalibrate.
20:32Oh, yeah.
20:33I was ready to use it.
20:34Like, they all...
20:35I was ready to use it.
20:36I was ready to use it.
20:37Go ahead.
20:38I was ready to use it.
20:39I'm correct.
20:40But why, though?
20:41All three of them.
20:42I wasn't even done yet.
20:43Who's all three?
20:44Are there more than three that matter on Young Money in 2025?
20:47Say the name.
20:48Anyway, Aubrey, Drake, Graham, Onika, Tanya, Maraj, also known as Nicki Minaj.
20:55All three of them need to recalibrate.
20:57I didn't want you to say that one.
20:58Government names.
20:59All three of them need to recalibrate.
21:01And I think they take, you know, eight to 12 months, chill.
21:06Just figure out what they sound like as adult 40-year-old rappers.
21:12Come back, put out some fire music, and do a joint Super Bowl, and we all win.
21:19Like, can we acknowledge that Nokia was number two this year on the Hot 100, and it's...
21:23Sure.
21:24Arguably...
21:25Song of the Summer right now.
21:26Moving on.
21:27I do believe we are getting sidetracked, Carl.
21:28I do believe we are getting sidetracked, Carl.
21:29I do believe we are getting sidetracked, Carl.
21:30I'm going to be real.
21:31We're getting sidetracked, Carl.
21:32When they played Nokia was not singing along, but what they were singing along to, Boots
21:36on the Ground.
21:37That's a summer hit.
21:38Okay.
21:39Don't know nothing about no damn Nokia.
21:40It is.
21:41But a lovely spring hit.
21:42Love that.
21:43Spring.
21:44It was a spring hit.
21:45It was a spring hit.
21:46It was one of the songs of the spring, yes.
21:47It's not...
21:48It didn't trickle in yet?
21:49It's...
21:50I mean, we got some time for the summer.
21:51It's only June 11.
21:52Girl!
21:53We aren't going to sit here and talk about Nokia today.
21:54Let's circle back in August.
21:55Technically, it ain't even summer yet.
21:56Trevor, do you have anything that you would like to add to this final piece of our discussion
22:02today?
22:03Well, I only could use it once, right?
22:04Yes.
22:05You can only use it once, Carl.
22:06That's great.
22:07And you chose...
22:08You were so hyper over Drake.
22:09You chose it for that one.
22:10I got distracted now we got into the Nokia talk because I should have known this was coming.
22:15We all should have, honestly.
22:16So, okay.
22:17I'm sorry.
22:18The question...
22:19Oh, about...
22:20Okay.
22:21Yeah.
22:22I mean, I...
22:23Look, I don't disagree with the analogy that obviously Wayne at the stage of his career
22:25and especially with that Carter VI is probably...
22:27It's gonna...
22:28You know, especially the drop off that this looks like it's going to have from Carter
22:30five in terms of numbers, in terms of...
22:32I don't know, you know, what songs they're gonna push out here.
22:34I don't know...
22:35I don't know what singles are gonna, you know, pop.
22:37So, yeah.
22:38Of course, I'm sure Wayne's gonna look at that and, you know, want a little time away.
22:42But, look.
22:43I'm not gonna sit here and, like, dog on Wayne as if he's the only person we've talked about
22:47who is in this stage of his career to try to figure out...
22:49You know, we don't know what barely anybody who's in their forties and fifties in hip-hop,
22:54you know, and especially had the commercial success that these guys have.
22:57We talked about it with Eminem.
22:58We talked about it with LL Cool Jam.
22:59We talked about it with Jay.
23:01I mean...
23:02So, I'm not gonna sit here and try to pretend like everybody else figured it out, Wayne.
23:05Why can't you?
23:06But, yeah.
23:07He finds himself in that same boat and I don't know who the first person to get out of that boat is.
23:11I don't know if anybody's gonna get out of that boat.
23:13But, what I will not do is try to sit here and dog him like he is the main problem out here.
23:18I hope he figures it out.
23:19If he does, you know, I'll be right there to get back on Carter 7, whatever comes through.
23:24I hope there's no more Carters.
23:25I think we can take a break on the Carters.
23:27I think we can take a break.
23:28I think we will take a break on the Carters.
23:31I really can't see, you know, what Carter 7 is gonna sound like.
23:34But, yeah.
23:36I mean, I think, you know, welcome to that class.
23:39Welcome to that stage of your career.
23:40We'll see what legacy looks like for Lil Wayne.
23:42It takes figuring out for everybody.
23:44Yeah.
23:45And we're really at that stage.
23:47I think you mentioned four just now.
23:49Like, that the 40-50 that we've had this discussion about.
23:52It's like, this is now Lil Wayne's turn to figure out his Rubik's Cube and figure out what he looks like and how he sounds.
24:00Yeah.
24:01So, I agree.
24:02I think, I don't think, yeah.
24:04Okay.
24:05Let's.
24:06Real quick.
24:07Wayne.
24:08Pulling eyes.
24:09Locking with one producer.
24:10One producer.
24:11One producer.
24:12I meant to say that.
24:13One producer.
24:14One producer.
24:15One producer.
24:16And I don't know if it's because.
24:17Find your no ID.
24:18Find your hit boy.
24:19One producer.
24:20All right.
24:21Just lock in.
24:22But I wonder if it's two because Nas has not had them commercial expectations the same
24:23way.
24:24That like.
24:25I don't know.
24:26Like Nas moved in a different lane.
24:27And he's always like.
24:28He figured it out.
24:29He figured it out.
24:30He figured it out.
24:31I think Tor will help him too.
24:32He's going to have to figure it out.
24:33Because as what we're talking about.
24:34We can tell.
24:35So I do think we already got our closing statements.
24:36And I think I've already crowned my winner.
24:37And this person.
24:38I mean.
24:39Has a similar take to me.
24:40No.
24:41As I saw that too.
24:42I'm like.
24:43As I did.
24:44But I think.
24:45You know.
24:46What what were the expectations really?
24:47Like I would love to know.
24:48Or.
24:49You know.
24:50You know you go and find that one producer and you just start a whole new franchise like
24:52Nas did with King disease.
24:53Yeah.
24:54Right.
24:55He will figure it out.
24:56Because.
24:57You know she'll help him.
24:58He's going to have to figure it out because that's what we're talking about.
24:59We can tell.
25:00So I do think we already got our closing statements.
25:01And I.
25:02I think I've already crowned my winner.
25:05And this person.
25:08take to me and i think you know my winner is trevor for today oh um because i i appreciate
25:16the way that we're not gonna allow this album to be the stain that knocks our dude off like that's
25:23we just can't do that i think it's really important that you mentioned that wayne is in this
25:28he is in this class of his own where he is figuring it out and as we look at all of our
25:34artists in hip-hop we have to give them that space to configure the right moves he had a huge blow
25:41with the super bowl that he took personally right he that's his moment that's his canon event right
25:48that's gonna tell us where he's gonna go this was the first crack and it wasn't a strong one
25:54it was not a strong crack but we're gonna have to look at his legacy and be like okay
26:00we can hope that he will have some sort of i don't know perspective on this right
26:06right okay gospel album loading please don't hell yeah a wayne gospel album call up kirk
26:12you know he'll do it you know oh y'all do it i don't want to see wayne uh so i do
26:17i think we got several testimonies i would like to hear yeah
26:19yeah i don't know if i want to hear that but trevor i would like to hear your unfiltered take
26:26so you've got how many seconds we got for your unfiltered take we got 60 seconds for you on the
26:31clock i can talk about anything i want yes this is yours okay 60 seconds go ahead okay i want to
26:39bring up uh we talked a lot about sports and i do want to bring up i'm you know i'm a big tennis fan
26:44and there was a lot of controversy this weekend y'all saw coco golf out there win the french open
26:48and it wasn't that coco won the french open i was making a lot of these headlines y'all saw
26:52the press conference after sabalanka world number one got you know probably should have should have
27:00won you know had her chances for sure you know did not take it well in press i'm kind of surprised
27:04this blew up as much as it did because tennis don't usually make noise like that but if y'all
27:07didn't see sabalanka out there suggesting that you know it was more that she lost than coco won
27:14the win she couldn't quite figure it out i got over emotional even saying that if her semi-final
27:18opponent had won she probably would have beat coco so you know look we understand your loss i know
27:25it's emotional i know it's tough but to sit there and you know poo-poo on this girl's moment when you
27:29know what it's like to have been in these second place situations don't do that sabalanka please get
27:34some pr training with that i know them i know i know folks were like going you know ham on her
27:40she did apologize take it back but you know look like to and coco handles with such grace and i know
27:46over six seconds yes you are i don't care because this must needs to be talked about coco handles
27:50with such grace i really want to applaud her show why she's a real champion but man to sit there and
27:56just shit on the girls moment like that let's not i mean i don't if you're if you are into tennis you
28:03have seen the way sabalanka has often i think sabalanka wants it too much sometimes right but we
28:10have seen this that's that's a good take and i do think that pr training is a lost art and we should
28:16probably introduce it back into the schools open the schools open the schools kids all right this
28:23has been yeah always shout out shout out go go it's a car plays last night the ovation
28:28it's a crazy one here but seriously if you didn't think she was a star before she already won the us
28:32open oh yeah this is yeah shout out to coco thank you all so much for joining us this week
28:38please drop your comments on who you think should have won this debate and i want to know where you
28:44think lil wayne fits in your top five and what you think of the carter six thank you so much and
28:49we will see y'all next week one oh trevor anderson