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00:30Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom.
00:36Today is Wednesday, June 11th, 2025.
00:39Ian Proud will be with us in just a moment, but first this.
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02:12Ian, welcome here, my dear friend, and thank you for accommodating our schedule.
02:17I know it's late at night where you are and much appreciated.
02:19I basically want to explore your thoughts on why Britain wants war, but before we get there, Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister of Russia, has said, we'll run the clip for you in a minute, he's 100% certain that the British government, he must mean MI6,
02:40but he said the British government was behind the drone attacks on Russian military bases and civilian sites two weekends ago.
02:52Do you agree with that?
02:54Is there a feeling in Great Britain that its government did this?
02:58It's been clear for a long time, and actually the British government has been quite open about the direct support it has given to Ukrainian military operations.
03:08Just two months ago, there was a bizarre long piece in the Times, the London Times, setting out UK's military involvement in the failed 2023 counter-offensive.
03:19What is clear is that these drone attacks recently could not have been conducted without external foreign help.
03:28I don't believe that the Ukrainians have the sophisticated capabilities to do it on their own.
03:33They got help from someone.
03:34UK has been front and center providing that help.
03:38I think Lavrov is joining the dots, but I think he's got good reason to believe that the British have been involved in some way.
03:44Chris, cut number eight.
03:45Watch this.
03:46Here's Prime Minister, or Foreign Minister Lavrov, two days ago in Moscow.
03:51It is obvious that the Ukrainian side is doing everything possible, but it would be absolutely helpless without the support.
04:00I was tempted to say Anglo-Saxons, but probably without Saxons, just without the support of the British.
04:08Although you never know, probably by inertia, some US special forces would be involved in that.
04:16But the British are actually behind all those things, I'm 100% sure.
04:23But the British are actually behind all those things, I'm 100% sure.
04:27I did have to chuckle about this Anglo-Saxon, or just Anglo without Saxon.
04:32That's just his...
04:33Small cookie, yeah.
04:34Yes, that's just his academic mind.
04:37Is that accepted in Parliament, that statement?
04:42Has anyone said to Sir Keir, did you authorize this?
04:46And if so, why?
04:48Do you consider the consequences of Great Britain attacking another sovereign country,
04:54particularly a nuclear-armed country?
04:59Well, there's only been celebration in the UK mainstream media about what is considered to have been a spectacular, audacious attack,
05:07even though its actual strategic and, in fact, tactical value was fairly limited by all accounts.
05:13So, no, don't queue up and wait for the British Parliament to challenge the Prime Minister on the level of UK support for that.
05:23They're completely lined up with everything the UK is doing to continue the war.
05:27As we take this, it's probably about 10 o'clock at night, London time, on Wednesday evening.
05:37Are you hearing what we are hearing at four in the afternoon here in the West, or in the US,
05:46about preparations for an American war in the Middle East?
05:52Yes, I am.
05:53But then, as we were discussing before coming on the show, Judge, I've been hearing this for the past several months,
06:00America is imminently on the verge of, you know, starting a war with Iran.
06:05I've never believed that, actually, to, you know, to be remotely likely.
06:09Clearly, the Trump administration wants to put maximum pressure on the Iranian authorities
06:13to drive some sort of concessions out of them on their nuclear programme.
06:17I see very little strategic value to the US in unilaterally starting an unprovoked war against Iran,
06:25for no obvious kind of end goal in mind.
06:28So, I've been hearing this nonstop for some time now, as you may, Judge.
06:32We're hearing that the United States has ordered its embassy in Iraq to be evacuated,
06:42and soon others will be ordered.
06:44We're also hearing that this is just a stunt, that the orders have been issued,
06:49but it's a stunt to put pressure on the Iranians as these negotiations in Rome continue.
06:55Well, it may also be because there are credible threats of terrorist attacks against those embassies.
07:00If you take your mind back to the late 1990s and the attacks on US embassies in East Africa,
07:07then it may also be because of that reason.
07:10US military strikes against the Houthis, you know, over the recent months may have elevated that terrorism risk,
07:17so that may also be the driver of that.
07:18I know that from your years as a diplomat stationed in Moscow, that you understand the Russian mind.
07:28How do you think, well, do you think that the Russians truly believe what Foreign Minister Lavrov said,
07:36and if so, what do they do about it?
07:39Nothing to gain by attacking British assets,
07:43or do they have to send some kind of a message to Sir Kier?
07:48Well, I can tell you now that the Russians absolutely believe that the British are involved in this lock stock
07:55and tea-smoking barrels, quite frankly,
07:58and they will be planning ways to respond to that, as they have done before,
08:04you know, including through no invasion attacks and all those cyber things that we know about very well.
08:09So they will be planning something, but I think from their perspective right now,
08:13what they can see is the Brits are backing and losing war in Ukraine,
08:17and that's actually only weakening Britain itself, as political concern is elevated about the continuance of war,
08:25which is making life harder for ordinary British people.
08:28So, I mean, I think, yes, I can imagine there will be some sort of retaliation,
08:32but right now it seems to me the Russians have the upper hand anyway,
08:34in terms of the big strategic game of what's going on in Ukraine.
08:37What, just to explain to me a little bit about how the government works,
08:43I mean, President Trump has denied that the U.S. was involved in this.
08:47It is well accepted here that the Secretary of Defense knew about it and others,
08:53that they didn't tell him because American assets were not involved,
08:58and they wanted him to have plausible deniability.
09:00I don't know if that's true or not, but my question to you is,
09:04could MI6 have done something like this, an attack on one of the triad,
09:11one of the three means that Russia would use to deliver nuclear weapons,
09:15without an express authorization from Prime Minister Starmer?
09:22Well, on that specific question, I don't think they could.
09:26Anything of this level and severity would need authorization from the very highest levels of government,
09:32if indeed that was the case, if Britain was involved.
09:34So, yes, I don't think they could freelance and do this.
09:38I think it would have been authorized at either ministerial or prime ministerial level.
09:42I mean, could it have been authorized by Prime Minister Sunak a year ago,
09:48and they just kept it from Prime Minister Starmer?
09:51Or once the government changes, does the new government have to authorize it?
09:57I doubt that very much.
09:58I doubt that it would have been authorized 18 months ago when apparently planning started,
10:02and then, you know, the military and intelligence folk wouldn't have then told Starmer about it before it had happened.
10:07I just don't see any likelihood that that would have taken place.
10:12Okay.
10:13You have accused Prime Minister Starmer of stealing money from the British people.
10:18I don't think you're accusing him of putting it in his pocket, but I'll let you explain what you mean by that.
10:25Well, we're funding £4.5 billion every year, a war that Ukraine is losing.
10:33At a time, we're imposing cuts on ordinary British people.
10:37There's no clear plan for what this strategy is intended to achieve.
10:42Everybody knows that Ukraine can't win.
10:44They can't push Russia out.
10:45There needs to be some sort of peaceful settlement, but Keir Starmer, he should be Klingon Keir,
10:50that he keeps carrying on, pouring billions into it with the Parliament playing no role in offering challenge,
10:56the mainstream media totally baying like hounds, supporting him in everything, you know, that he does,
11:02and ordinary British citizens are sort of kept like idiots,
11:07starved of facts and information about what's really going on,
11:11while their frontline public services are cut.
11:15So this is utter nonsense.
11:17Clearly, we should stop this war.
11:19We should stop pouring billions, you know, into the Ukrainian money printing machine,
11:26and we should actually start spending money on British people.
11:29This clearly makes sense.
11:31You use the phrase money printing machine.
11:34Is the 4.5 billion pounds that Great Britain is giving every year to Ukraine borrowed?
11:42Or is it taxpayer dollars that they have in the bank?
11:45Well, of course, it's both.
11:47The UK has stoked up massive debt.
11:50It wants to increase defense spending even further.
11:53Rachel Reeves this week has been talking about further temporary tax increases.
11:58When a tax increase is ever temporary, I ask you that, Judge.
12:02So, yes, there is both massive borrowing, huge monthly debt payments,
12:06and promises of further taxes as well,
12:10at a time that cuts are made to frontline services to British people.
12:14So we're getting the worst of all possible worlds in the UK,
12:18and nobody is challenging the ridiculous spending on a war that Ukraine is losing and will lose.
12:25Are these appropriations authorized by a vote in Parliament after a debate,
12:32or is this discretionary with the prime minister?
12:36Well, the government of the day sets the budget plans.
12:40It announces its budget.
12:41There's a debate in the House about the budget, you know,
12:43where the opposition party offers a challenge, and then the government carries on.
12:48But the opposition is so weak at the moment that it's unable to offer much challenge.
12:54And in any case, there's no challenge on this wasteful spending in Ukraine.
12:59I wish that George Galloway were still in Parliament,
13:02and he could at least stand up on the back benches and challenge the prime minister
13:09the way he did to Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
13:13So I was going to ask you why Britain wants war, but I think you would correct me and say,
13:19Judge, ask the question why the British government wants war.
13:23Do the British people want war?
13:26Do the British people go to bed at night fearing a Russian invasion in the morning?
13:31Well, nobody's ever asked them, Judge.
13:33You know, when I speak to ordinary British people in the village out in the rolling Hampshire countryside
13:38where I live, most people are curious about Russia.
13:41How have we ended up in this situation?
13:44They want to find out because they get force-fed propaganda from the state-owned media.
13:51You know, in the UK, people feel starved of the truth.
13:54So when I speak to people, I find people remarkably open-minded to make sense of what's going on,
14:00and they're prepared to consider the idea that actually maybe it's us that are making the mistakes here,
14:06and it isn't all entirely Russia's fault.
14:08So that's the impression I get.
14:09This is entirely driven by, you know, the British government and the blob, you know, on which it sits.
14:15And this complete alignment between the media and, you know, the political establishment
14:22allows the government to sail forth completely unhindered
14:27by the massive weight of the bullion of debt that's weighing its ship down and threatening to sink it.
14:35Is there or are there domestic political reasons why the British government wants war?
14:43I mean, is there about to be a vote of no confidence, and does he think this will stave it off?
14:49No, he has a vast majority.
14:52I suspect it's a majority that he may lose, even if he doesn't lose power in the next election.
14:58No, there is no political imperative domestically in the UK for us to continue to fund the war that Ukraine is going to lose.
15:06The problem is that we invested in Ukraine winning, and when Ukraine loses,
15:12we have to actually explain to our electorates why we promised them for so long that Ukraine would win.
15:18That makes it a far better political bet than to kick the hot can down the road,
15:24rather face the terrible reality of defeat, and tell the British public that we messed up.
15:29Well, this is digging a hole deeper and deeper, almost literally.
15:38Yes, exactly.
15:39And actually, if you take it a step further, for the Europeans, they want to kick the can down the road as well,
15:47because actually, when the war stops, then they have to face the even more terrible prospect
15:53of admitting Ukraine into the European Union at an enormous cost, which they can't afford.
16:00Oh, good Lord.
16:00Would the EU embrace a raggedy, crushed shadow of its former self, Ukraine, in the European Union?
16:15Well, they've been saying that they will.
16:17They've been saying there will be accelerated, turbocharged membership.
16:22But hold on a minute.
16:23A new Polish president has been elected.
16:27He recognizes that his country will lose billions in yearly EU subsidies that will all go to Ukraine
16:33in the event of Ukraine joining.
16:35And he said, well, let's just wait a minute.
16:38Maybe this isn't such a good idea after all.
16:40Hungary has been saying this for some time.
16:42Does it require a unanimous vote?
16:44Can the presidents of Hungary and Poland just stop it on their own?
16:48Every stage of the negotiations require unanimity among member states, yes.
16:53Okay.
16:54Okay.
16:58Can the EU absorb Ukraine, or would the cost be prohibitive?
17:04It cannot.
17:06It cannot on the current terms of membership with the same level of subsidies that other members get.
17:12Ukraine would account for one quarter of total EU agricultural land that would completely throw up into the air, the subsidy system.
17:22That's even before you get into the subsidies for building motorways and that sort of thing.
17:28France would veto that because they're the biggest beneficiary of agricultural subsidies.
17:32Poland would, that then creates the other option of coming in as a second-class citizen, you know, in a country with an army of one million citizens joining and not actually getting the economic benefits that they were promised.
17:48That doesn't really seem a very good idea either.
17:50Two of our regular guests, both with military backgrounds, have referred to Chancellor Friedrich Mertz as the most dangerous German chancellor since Adolf Hitler himself.
18:03Do you agree with that?
18:05Well, apparently he does have some in his relatives' Nazi associations in some way.
18:11But look, I think he's trying to position himself as the new tough kid, you know, on the block.
18:16And the problem is that actually he's not matching his words with deeds.
18:21He said that, you know, gloves off in terms of the distance of cruise missiles used in Russia, he had to vote back on that.
18:29You know, he promised to give Ukraine support, but when Zelensky turned up in Berlin, he said, well, actually, in the end, I can't give you tourist missiles.
18:36So the problem is all this bluster and rhetoric, like, frankly, every European leader before him, he isn't matching up with actual deeds.
18:44And the problem long term is actually if France at some point decides to leave the European Union, I'm not saying necessarily it will in the short term, but the way things are going, it does seem likely over the next decade, you're going to get Germany as by far the biggest state in Europe, which poses all sorts of bigger challenges for obvious reasons related to that country's history.
19:04Where is Chancellor Mertz on the American destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines?
19:12Well, the Europeans now have said they will never again, these pipelines will never again be reopened.
19:18Why?
19:20Because they hate all things Russian, even cheap natural gas.
19:25Yes, even cheap natural gas, even good living standards for their citizens.
19:30They hate that too, but they're buying expensive Russian liquid liquefied, you know, gas at the same time.
19:38They're not having piped gas.
19:40Judge, none of this makes any economic or critical sense.
19:44But these guys are bought into this narrative for so long, the cost of them stepping back from, you know, these positions is too high.
19:52And they'll go on until, you know, they're burned by the flames of the game of that meeting on the train with Prime Minister Starmer, President Macron, Chancellor Schultz.
20:07I guess there was a train ride on the car, maybe in Paris, but I guess it was a train ride to Kiev.
20:13Yeah, the co-carriage to Kiev.
20:16Yeah, I mean, that's just like the standard.
20:19But I mean, did anything in terms of positive public policy come of that, or was it just a PR stunt?
20:28Well, there has been no positive public policy on Ukraine.
20:32We are failing, and every time they show up, it's to say that we are winning when clearly we're not winning.
20:38So, yes, every time they turn up in their fortified train carriage, that is exactly the purpose.
20:44There is no other strategic benefit from these, you know, PR stunts whatsoever.
20:52Wow.
20:56Is Russia, excuse me, is France as warmongering as the Starmer government?
21:03I don't think anybody's quite as warmongering as the Starmer government.
21:09I think Mertz may be second, Macron may be third.
21:11But I mean, between the three of them, there seems to be no deviation from the line that we should, you know, support Zelensky until he kills the last, you know, Ukrainian.
21:23And, in fact, they so hate Trump and his attempt to kind of bring about a negotiated settlement that, if anything, I think that has actually hardened the European position on Ukraine because they don't want Trump to have swept in and delivered a, you know, spectacular, successful world peace.
21:43Unbelievable.
21:44Ian Proud, thank you very much, my dear friend.
21:48Thank you for the great Substack articles that you keep sending us.
21:52They're absolutely fascinating.
21:53And thank you.
21:54I know it's late at night, as I said earlier.
21:55Thank you for the time you've spent.
21:57All the best to you, my friend.
21:58We'll see you again soon.
22:00Sure.
22:00See you soon.
22:01Bye for now.
22:02Bye-bye.
22:02We have an interesting and fascinating day for you tomorrow, Thursday, at noon Eastern, Alistair Crook, at one o'clock, Professor Glenn Deason, at two o'clock, Professor Jeffrey Sachs, at three o'clock, Professor John Mearsheimer, at four o'clock, Professor, all right, at four o'clock, Max Blumenthal.
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