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00:00The verbiage and the language and everything else like that is, like, that's where I wish CJ were out there.
00:07Remember in the Netflix series, quarterback wins and the other quarterbacks around for the league, Pat Mahomes and everybody?
00:16The one big thing that I loved about that was Kirk Cousins in the middle of the NFL season just working nonstop on getting the verbiage out
00:25because it changes and it can be complex and everything else like that.
00:29There's a little bit of a muscle memory element when it comes to just actually getting the calls out, doing all of that.
00:36The offensive line has it. The wide receivers, to a certain extent, do.
00:40And these reps with a brand-new offensive coordinator are important, especially when, as Kaylee was saying,
00:46you know, there's different terminology that you use with different coordinators.
00:51And a lot of times you're running the same play, but the verbiage is completely different.
00:55That part of it is where CJ, it's not a huge deal at this point that his shoulder is limiting him, except it would be better.
01:05It would be ideal if you were out there just getting all these reps.
01:07Most offensive coordinators want to basically install the bulk of the offense in OTAs so that everybody's gone through it once.
01:16And then when you come back to training camp, you install it again so you're getting more reps just kind of going through the same syllabus.
01:23And CJ's missing out on that.
01:25He's getting the mental reps and everything else like that, but it's just not the same as him actually being out there directing traffic.
01:30So we talk about the mental reps, but the physicality, that's the part that you were waiting to get to.
01:35Let's hear from Nick Kaylee on the non-negotiable for this Texans offense.
01:39Uh, yes. Yes. It's an extent. Everybody will block. We're going to be committed to that in the run game.
01:45That's part of who we are. That's toughness. That's physicality. I think that's a non-negotiable, period.
01:52The mental, the intentionality, the physicality, I feel like it all needed to come together for this Texans offense, man.
01:59And I think that question was specifically about the offensive line.
02:03And it was, it was, I really couldn't hear the questions the other day.
02:06It was basically, it sounded like the question was, is it going to be important for your offensive line to, to be physical?
02:11And for him to give that answer, okay, I like that he said non-negotiable.
02:16Um, it's all lip service at this point in time until you get out there in pads.
02:20But, the, the most jarring thing about the offense last year was how much less swarmy they were than the defensive side of the ball.
02:30The defense is playing the exact same way that you'd expect the D'Amico Ryan's defense to play.
02:35Whereas on the offense, it felt like a whole lot of like, oh, did you see the new shoes I bought yesterday?
02:41Oh, hey, watch out, CJ. Oh, sorry about that. I'll try not to do it now. Oh, oh, I did it again.
02:47Yeah. They all just false start instead. And then nobody, nobody can, can't, quarterback can't get sacked on a play that gets blown dead before the snap.
02:55Yeah. The offensive line was everything that you don't want your offensive line to be.
03:00They were not physical at all for much of the year. The individuals, it was hard to find.
03:05Like, Laramie Tunsil, as good as he is, he's the exact opposite of physicality.
03:10Like, Trent, Trent Williams and, um, wait, how am I saying Trent Williams?
03:17I mean, he's, he counts. Trent Williams would be one, right?
03:20Yeah. Okay.
03:21Yeah. No, Trent Williams for the 49. Yeah. That, he is physicality. You're on the right track there, Seth.
03:26Trent Brown was stuck in my head. So when I said Trent Williams, it, uh, it sounded weird.
03:32Trent Williams had a very good pass protector at left tackle. Laramie Tunsil was very much a finesse player.
03:37Yeah. And there, there was no physicality to him. So I think when you look at what kind of, if, if the Texans and if Tamika Ryan's going to actually live out his own propaganda, which is the tough, physical, all these things, we can't have this offensive line full of guys that are just playing patty cakes out there.
03:56So the, the young guys, I think there is, there is hope for juice Scruggs. There's hope for Jarrett Patterson that those guys can develop into physical players. It's just in that environment last year, we didn't see it. And that's, that's gotta be a huge focus for this team in training camp. Once they do, once they do actually put the pads on.
04:14Seth, I like what you mentioned about the offense, not feeling nearly as swarmy as the defense, true to the D'Amico Ryan's mantra, like, and you and Sean do a pretty good job of talking about this quite frequently, but that was the most jarring part.
04:29It'd be one thing if it was just a soft team or if it just was not a physical team, but the, the stark contrast between the defense's swarminess, again, true to the propaganda, as you mentioned, and the offense.
04:44Being just like anti, completely against it was just striking. It was a striking contrast for me. I do wonder, and I'm curious what you think about this. I do wonder how much of a role, how much more of a role, I should say, because he's the head coach. Of course he has a role, but how much more of a role, how much more of an influence will D'Amico Ryan's have?
05:04If not, like, schematically, obviously, it's going to be Nick Caley's job to figure out the schemes, the play calls, and all of that influence could be on the offense.
05:14How is D'Amico Ryan's role as a head coach going to change? And I want to shout out the 832 for actually asking this on the text line.
05:21How does D'Amico Ryan's role as a head coach change with his second offensive coordinator and also trying to establish this identity that they've been able to establish over the past couple of years on the defensive side that has not quite translated on the offensive side?
05:37I'm curious to what kind of role D'Amico Ryan's is going to have in that, aside from just simply hiring Nick Caley and giving him the keys.
05:45Right. So that's always been the big question with any offensive or defensive-minded coach.
05:50You know, with Gary Kubiak, we saw, man, Kubiak came in, did some promising things with the offense.
05:58It took a while for everything to get going, but the defense was just an absolute disaster for the first few years that Gary Kubiak was here.
06:05And then finally they get Wade Phillips in, who can be basically the head coach of the defense, and they were off to the races.
06:12And that was a pretty unique dynamic, and it worked out well until everything, you know, fell apart.
06:20This is different. You're not hiring an offensive coordinator who's been there, done that, can be the head coach of the offense.
06:28It's a million-dollar question is, all right, Matt Burke's out there answering questions on Friday as the defensive coordinator,
06:33and yet it's D'Amico's defense, and it still very much feels like D'Amico is the, he's the head defensive coordinator.
06:43Matt Burke's the assistant defensive coordinator.
06:46At some point, especially with a young offensive coordinator, I think D'Amico is a great thing they've been doing on defense,
06:54but also be sure that the entire team is falling in line with the way that they want to operate.
07:01You know, you can cherry-pick the Super Bowl winners who have done it with a great, great defense and mediocre play on offense.
07:11You know, the Bucs, and who am I missing? I'm missing at least one notable.
07:16Oh, the Ravens, perhaps.
07:17Oh, yeah.
07:18Yeah, the first Ravens Super Bowl.
07:20But it's a much, much better formula, especially when you have a quarterback like C.J. Stroud,
07:25to have both a really good offense and a really good defense.
07:28So, I don't know.
07:29It'll be, you know, it's not like D'Amico doesn't spend time with both units,
07:34but during the, in training camp, you very much get the feel that, all right, this is D'Amico versus the offense.
07:41This is, man, you know, remember Tank Dell kind of joked about it when he was on that podcast last year,
07:48saying, man, my only complaint about, he said something like,
07:51my only complaint about D'Amico is that when the defense plays really well, it was a great practice.
07:56When the offense plays really well, hey, guys, we got to pick it up, man.
08:00Things aren't going, things aren't going the way we need to go.
08:04And Tank was totally joking.
08:07At the same time, though, there is that dynamic.
08:10I, because it was various times, I remember thinking the same thing with David Culley and Lovie Smith after games sometimes,
08:17where Lovie would almost be upset that after a loss, people weren't acknowledging how well the defense played,
08:24and vice versa after the, you know, with Culley, there'd be, he'd be, he had very much an offensive emphasis on things.
08:32It can, it can start to grate against you over time.
08:35And I think for what this team needs, you look at it last year, the offense was not championship caliber.
08:41You can't win a Super Bowl with that offense.
08:43That's the part, as the head football coach, that is the part of the team that needs your focus and attention.
08:49And that's, what does it look like?
08:52Most of that's, you know, behind the scenes and whatnot.
08:55But I think that is a change that D'Amico's going to have to work on.
08:58Yeah, at various points over the last couple of years, I feel like we've talked about the collective we, right?
09:03I feel like we've talked about the honeymoon phase ending.
09:07When does the honeymoon phase with D'Amico Ryans, being a former player here, being a former captain here,
09:13being a beloved figure here already before he ever coached for the Texans,
09:17at what point does a little bit of that shine sort of wear off?
09:22And then to his credit, and to the Texans' credit, they won 10 games in back-to-back seasons.
09:27They won a playoff game in back-to-back seasons.
09:29It's like, okay, so why would the honeymoon phase end?
09:32Loved D'Amico before he got here.
09:34And it's been a resounding success, at least record-wise, since he got here.
09:39But I think this is the thing that people are looking out for.
09:42This is the part of the shine that has worn off of like, okay, D'Amico, we love you.
09:48We know you're a great defensive mind, but we do need to see this offense take the next step.
09:54And we understand you're not an offensive coach, but as the head coach,
09:57you are being entrusted with hiring the right folks.
10:01You've obviously got the influence with personnel,
10:04and Nick Casario is operating with your vision and your sort of mantra in mind.
10:12On the other side of the ball, I feel like this is the one part
10:15that has some Texans fans skeptical, not necessarily just about D'Amico Ryans,
10:21but this whole sort of operation.
10:23Like, at what point does the offense take the next step under D'Amico Ryans,
10:28I think is a valid question.
10:31And as far as the physicality goes, it is interesting because it's not like D'Amico Ryans
10:37was not coaching them up to be physical or was coaching them, telling them to be soft, right?
10:42Like, I don't think the way the offense has played has necessarily been a reflection
10:47of D'Amico Ryans, right?
10:49I just think that for a number of reasons, personnel and coaching,
10:54it just hasn't quite translated.
10:56It absolutely needs to this year.
10:58And maybe, Seth, maybe it's just going to be a matter of getting the right guys in here.
11:03And who knows?
11:04Maybe that's what they've done.
11:05It could be a matter of just getting the right guys in here who can actually execute
11:08and do the thing that he's been wanting them to do all along.
11:12It's not like he was going to ever throw the offensive line under the bus
11:14or say these guys weren't physical enough.
11:16But based on the turnover.
11:18Yeah, or the false narrative that the offensive line is struggling.
11:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:23He had to protect his guys.
11:25But you can just read the tea leaves or read between the lines based off of the personnel
11:28changes that they've made on the offensive line,
11:31the offensive line coach being a different guy now.
11:33Like all of those things to me indicate that D'Amico Ryans is trying to help make this offense
11:39to be much more in his vision and be more physical than it was before.
11:43The non-answer we got from both D'Amico and Kaylee last week about C.J. Stroud,
11:50it turns out that it probably was something really minor.
11:55Just give me a little bit.
11:56Can you give a little bit of specificity?
11:58I had an issue with that.
11:59I was okay with this lack of specificity when Nick Kaylee was asked what his offense will look like.
12:05Well, it depends on the players we got.
12:07And that's not a cop-out.
12:08That's the reality of it.
12:09So it can evolve.
12:11Be willing to change and do whatever we need to do that's necessary based on who we have
12:15and who we're playing.
12:16Whether that's, again, you want to get big in terms of multiple personnel or not,
12:21gap schemes or zone schemes, you know, committing to more play action or not,
12:24that's going to really be dependent on, you know, what your personnel dictates
12:28and who you have available.
12:29So, again, that's the great part about this year is we get to do a lot of different things
12:32and really put a lot of guys in different positions to run certain routes,
12:36some of them which, some of these guys have never done anything, you know,
12:39or certain routes that we have.
12:41And they might be just exclusively outside receivers that we're working inside and vice versa.
12:45So it's a good opportunity just to see what these guys can do.
12:48So when Bill O'Brien first came in, remember one of the complaints about Gary Kubiak had been,
12:53man, they just go out and run the same offense no matter who the opponent is whatsoever.
12:56And Bill O'Brien came in, and in the opening press conference, he said,
13:00we're going to be a game plan offense.
13:01And we got so excited because, oh, yeah, yeah, just like New England,
13:05you're going to go in, you're going to do it.
13:06Sometimes it'll be an outside zone team.
13:08Sometimes it'll be gap schemes.
13:09Sometimes it'll be a play action team.
13:11The Patriots under Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, at times they were a running team,
13:15at other times they were a pure passing team.
13:17We're just going to do whatever it takes.
13:19It's awesome.
13:20I do love that philosophy.
13:21But you just got to go out and execute it.
13:23It's easier said than done.
13:24The thing that I'm optimistic about with Kaylee is that with O'Brien,
13:29one of the issues I had with O'Brien, super, super smart.
13:34But when it came down to actually executing the game plan
13:37and doing things in a technically sound manner, when it came to fundamentals,
13:42the offense never looked well coached to me.
13:45And that's where the disconnect sometimes goes from the whiteboard
13:48to the practice field to the playing field.
13:50It's not enough to be smart.
13:52The old bum Phillip saying, it's not what they know, it's what you can get them to do.
13:58It's not enough to be smart.
13:59It's not enough to out-scheme them.
14:01You actually got to get guys to execute.
14:02That's where it fell short.
14:04The thing that I like about Kaylee so far is that every time I've heard him speak,
14:08he really hammers home the fundamentals and how important the basics are and all of that.
14:12And on the actual, with the boots on the ground, how are you doing that?
14:17You're going to have a brilliant battle plan, but if your troops are scattered about all over the place,
14:22drunk all the time, it's hard to execute that battle plan.
14:25So far, without any games being played, I at least feel better about his philosophy and his methodology.
14:31Yeah, that cut that we just played, it sounded really eerily similar to the game plan offense,
14:38which I know for a lot of Texans fans now, based off of the Bill O'Brien experience and the whole Patriot South thing,
14:45it gets a big eye roll from a lot of people when they hear about the game plan offense stuff.
14:49But I do like, just in a vacuum, I do like hearing him talk about, hey, we're not going to be pigeonholed into,
14:56like, they're going to have an identity, they're going to have things that they're true to or want to be true to,
15:02but they're also going to play to the strengths of their players.
15:05I do think there's a balance between, like, you don't want to be too game plan-y, right?
15:10Because you also don't want to try to fit square pegs and round holes,
15:15and I think that is going to be part of the balance for this coaching staff,
15:20is establishing this identity and standing on that,
15:24but also having a little bit of wiggle room to be able to change and recognize,
15:28hey, this is what we do well, this is perhaps what we don't,
15:30and so maybe we should move away from this and move toward this.
15:33It sounds simple enough, but for whatever reason, it hasn't been that simple for a lot of Texans teams over the past.
15:40Well, if you look at Sloick last year, I mean, Sloick just came out and said this himself.
15:45He said, you know, I can't remember how many games into the season it was,
15:49but he admitted that, to his credit, he admitted that, you know,
15:53we were kind of caught by surprise by how much just shell coverage,
15:57how much zone two we were seeing,
15:59and I credited him with admitting it,
16:02but dude, you had these three, you have these three speed demon wide receivers,
16:08and the league is transitioning towards playing more cover two in general,
16:14and somehow it caught you by surprise that this is the look you're seeing,
16:19and that, oh, oh, crap, you know what?
16:21The best thing to do and the easiest thing to do when teams play all this shell coverage
16:25is to run the hell out of the ball or to dissect them with a quick game or over the middle,
16:31and they couldn't do it.
16:32They couldn't run the ball.
16:34Sloick himself didn't adjust to the way teams were playing them.
16:37It was maddening.
16:38So that's part of the changing.
16:41It's not just in the offseason.
16:42It's in the season.
16:43The one thing that I think that Brady and Belichick and McDaniels always did really well,
16:48and I think Sean McVay has done a really good job of in recent years in the Super Bowl to the Patriots,
16:56McVay realized, all right, I've got to be way more flexible than this,
17:00and I've got to realize and I've got to learn through the course of the season what is my team.
17:05And those old Patriots teams, a lot of times, it would take the first half of the season
17:10before they really knew exactly what they were good at and what they were struggling at,
17:14and then they would get really, really good in the second half of the season.
17:19Sloick was not ready for that.
17:20Sloick didn't adjust to the adjustments that other teams made in the offseason,
17:25and then he really couldn't stick and move in the regular season.
17:28And I don't know if Kaylee will be able to or not.
17:31Like, philosophically and by what he's saying, it sounds like he wants to do that.
17:35We've just got to see whether he can actually do it.
17:38Man, I can appreciate and respect the loyalists on the text line.
17:41You can't even give, for some folks, you can't even give a timid critique of D'Amico Ryan's
17:46without people reminding you of how great he is.
17:48I can respect it from the 713.
17:51It says, Texans fans are ungrateful.
17:53Houston doesn't deserve D'Amico.
17:55I don't know what impression I was given there.
17:58Like, I don't have faith in D'Amico.
17:59Houston doesn't deserve D'Amico.
18:01Yo, yo, what the hell are you even talking about?
18:04What is that?
18:05What is that, you cuck?
18:07What are you even...
18:09You know why that annoys me?
18:11It's like when people say, oh, we don't deserve dogs.
18:14People don't deserve dogs.
18:15We bred dogs.
18:17Dogs only exist because of us.
18:19It's how I had to be grateful for this or grateful for that.
18:23Oh, my God.
18:24Houston doesn't deserve...
18:25What?
18:26We didn't even criticize D'Amico.
18:27We said, hey, he's a young coach.
18:29He's making that transition.
18:30...that every year being, you know, focused on his side of the ball to be a complete and
18:37total head coach.
18:38D'Amico's done an outstanding job in these last couple years.
18:41And there's almost...
18:42There's absolutely nobody who's actually complaining about D'Amico right now.
18:46Not at all.
18:46You need to toughen up, sister.
18:48Okay?
18:49Houston doesn't deserve D'Amico.
18:51You sad little pathetic wretch.
18:54Oh, I don't deserve this.
18:57I don't deserve...
18:58I can't believe a division championship isn't enough and people want more.
19:04I don't know why.
19:06Why would you want more in life?
19:08Go live.
19:08Go live in a commie country.
19:12You sad sack.
19:14Houston doesn't deserve D'Amico.
19:16Nobody's complaining about D'Amico.
19:18My God.
19:19That was...
19:19You think D'Amico...
19:20This is the thing.
19:21This is the thing that upsets me about that.
19:22Do you really think D'Amico in the offseason isn't thinking about the things that he needs
19:27to improve on and tweak?
19:29Because I believe he is.
19:31I hope the guy he is.
19:32I hope the guy he is.
19:33Why would you insult...
19:34That person is insulting D'Amico Ryans.
19:37You, sir, do not deserve D'Amico Ryans because you have presented an image of a coach who
19:43thinks he's infallible.
19:45And I know for a fact, because I know D'Amico, you SOB, that that's not the way he operates.
19:50So for you to try to present D'Amico as somebody who needs to be protected from an attack that
19:56doesn't actually exist?
19:58No.
19:58You don't deserve D'Amico Ryans.
20:01That was just from the 713.
20:03That's not even the only text week.
20:04I don't know what impression that we were giving.
20:06Why?
20:06Quit being so soft, you little panda.
20:08What the hell?
20:09What the hell are you...
20:11You even talking...
20:13Nobody's attacking D'Amico Ryans.
20:14What the hell are you guys talking about?
20:16What on earth are you talking about?
20:18No, from the 832, Seth, D'Amico is not going anywhere, guys.
20:23He is more beloved than this city.
20:25Of course he's not.
20:25You stupid bastards.
20:27What the...
20:28Of course he's not.
20:29Well, of course he's not going anywhere.
20:31What on earth are you talking about?
20:33Why are you so soft on a Monday?
20:36You're gonna...
20:37This week is gonna kick your ass, get your crap together, and stop being so soft.
20:42My God.
20:43Coach died, everybody.
20:44All because we dare to say that we want the offense to reflect what, Seth?
20:50D'Amico's defense.
20:52Oh, my God.
20:53Yeah.
20:54You're not gonna...
20:54I'm surprised by that.
20:55You, this is bad, man.
20:57You guys gotta do some serious self-reflection.
21:00This is...
21:00And for you to...
21:01For you to say that, oh, hey, D'Amico's not going anywhere, where did we ever suggest
21:08or hint that somehow D'Amico's job was at risk?
21:11What the hell are you talking about?
21:13Hey, look.
21:14How can you be this stupid?
21:15Honestly, I fear for you.
21:17Get off the road.
21:18Pull over.
21:19You are not fit to drive.
21:22Oh, it's disgusting.
21:24I feel bad for your children.
21:26They have to live with you.
21:27See, that's my dad over there.
21:29He's the one that's making up stories about how people are coming after D'Amico's job.
21:33Huh.
21:34Huh.
21:35I agree with the 713 who says, we don't deserve Seth Payne.
21:39We don't deserve Seth Payne.
21:41That's true.
21:42That's not true at all.
21:44You all do.
21:44Everybody except the ones that you're soft.
21:47So, you mentioned...
21:49You mentioned the...
21:50D'Amico's not going anywhere.
21:53Hey, newsflash.
21:55Do you have a...
21:56I don't think Ben has the breaking news sounder ready for us, but hey, newsflash, everybody.
22:00Houston, I don't think you're aware, but look, at 727, we have some news to report.
22:05Exclusive to Sports Radio 610.
22:07Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.
22:08D'Amico Ryan's not going anywhere.
22:10Not going anywhere.
22:11Yeah, I wouldn't have known that if it weren't for the text.
22:14Well, that's why you listen to Sports Radio 610, man, so you can get exclusive content like that.
22:19Honestly, it's where I get most frustrated when people act like somehow being a fan of a team means that you accept them as the perfect...
22:27It's just like one notch below Jesus.
22:29Couldn't be any different than this.
22:32Yes.
22:32No, D'Amico doesn't have to work on anything.
22:34D'Amico's just fine.
22:35No.
22:35Oh, wait, you question the supreme leader?
22:37That's why you're a commie.
22:39That's why you're a commie.
22:39You are susceptible to communism.
22:41Because in communism, this is why communism ultimately doesn't work out, is because you can't have dissent.
22:47Oh, this is why.
22:48It has to be 100% across the board.
22:50And then despotism creeps in because, well, with no dissent, then whoever takes charge can do whatever they want.
22:57These guys would be ripe for it.
22:59They'd be like, yes, supreme leader.
23:00Yeah, how many?
23:0210% of the population you want me to starve?
23:03Okay, I'll do that, sir.
23:04Yes, sir.
23:05Yes, sir.
23:06You commie bastard.
23:07Get out of my fan base.
23:08You hate America and you hate, you hate D'Amico Ryans without even realizing.
23:14By virtue of you thinking that D'Amico Ryans needs to be defended, it tells me that you don't know D'Amico Ryans.
23:20Because we weren't even attacking him, you softie.
23:22I love that this is why communism doesn't work out of all the things.
23:28It is.
23:29It's bad Texans fans.
23:33They don't deserve freedom, Sean.
23:36Brandon.
23:37Sean, Brandon, all of us.
23:40Everybody who can hear the sound of Seth Payne's voice understand right now the wussification of America,
23:46the inability to take in criticism, and I mentioned tepid criticism.
23:51Just like a point being made, like, hey, you know what?
23:54We'd like to see the offense look more like the defense, to have a similar mentality.
23:59I even said last year that I wanted the offense.
24:02This is a bad sign, Seth.
24:04I wanted the offensive line to play more like the running back, to have like Joe Mixon.
24:11That's a swarmy dude.
24:13That's a dude that's about that action.
24:15That's a dude that's physical.
24:16I hated that the most physical dude on the offense, the one that seemed to be most bout it, bout it,
24:23was the damn running back and not the big-ass dudes that was charged with blocking in front of him.
24:27Like, that infuriated me because I could see it in Joe Mixon.
24:32I could see the dog in Joe Mixon.
24:34If only the offensive line had the same level of dog in them that he did.
24:38It frustrated the hell out of me.
24:40The number of guys that had swarm mentality on offense, we put it pretty much at, you know,
24:45unfortunately, once Tank Dell went down, and, you know, Tank wasn't, you know,
24:49performing up to a lot of lofty expectations last year, but he plays with a swarm mentality.
24:55Stephon Diggs plays with a swarm mentality.
24:57You got eight games out of him.
24:59You know, Nico Collins plays with a swarm mentality.
25:02CJ, quarterbacks are kind of out of the – he's got some swarm to them by quarterback standards.
25:08And that was pretty much about it, along with guys like that.
25:14And I think that's why you end up completely revamping your offensive line.
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